• CanadaBear

    That front four looks pretty underwhelming.

    • Johnathan Wood

      The starting 3-technique will be added in the draft.

      Go look at Seattle’s front 4 last year. No real studs, just 7 solid players who could rotate. That’s what the Bears are going for.

      They don’t have a top-level pass rusher, but have a bunch of guys who can all get after the QB moderately well.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        That’s really all you need. Houston and Young will count for about half against the salary cap as Pep was supposed to but they will give you more than half his production. If we can draft a couple DL and add one more in FA next year this D can get back to being top 10.

        • NewBearInTown

          I would be surprised to see us with a top 10 defense this year. If we focus on D for the draft and another off-season maybe, but not this year. I’d like to see us right around the middle of the pack, and that’s what we’re going for.

          • Big Mike

            If the Bears had the 20th rated defense last year, they would have walked away with the NFC title, possible won the playoff opener and been in the hunt to get to the NFC championship. They would have lost to SF or NO. But that would have been a very successful season and moved the team 1 year closer to the SB. As it was, we took a sidestep. Deep playoff run this year, SB next year.

          • CanadaBear

            Record wise we took a step back. You are what your record says you are. I loved the O as much as anyone last year. But historically bad D with so-so ST’s was a step back. I get all the injuries. Could happen again this year.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Getting to the NFC champ stage would also have shat all over our draft. Deep playoff runs don’t help us unless there’s a Lombardi at the end of it. I’d rather tank this season and win it the next.

          • Big Mike

            Historically, it takes at least a year of “seasoning” in the playoffs to win the big game. Bears need to go on a 2-3 year run of purging bad contracts, getting younger (for football and financial reasons) and building talent (draft, plus FAs with upside).

            That’s what Emery is doing. No quick fixes. You can’t point at what he did on Offense and say that was a quick fix, but the offense was 2-3 players away from very good. The defense will take 2-3 players to get off of very bad. Targeting average is not very inspirational, but that’s what’s going on. You can’t be loaded on both sides of the ball, without getting lucky. You can’t plan on luck.

          • MB30SD

            this

          • Johnathan Wood

            Bad contracts have been purged. Talent is being built.
            Key will be how well Emery can draft.

          • Big Mike

            Right on. Always about finding value. He used free agency to set himself up to have options in round 1 and get an impact guy.

        • Johnathan Wood

          If you look at total QB disruptions (sacks+hits+pressures), both Young and Houston were more productive pass rushers than anybody in Chicago last year. Sack numbers just lagged, for some reason. But those things usually level out over time. I think they can both be 5-8 sack guys.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Everybody was better at pass-rushing than we were last year. EVERYBODY.

      • CanadaBear

        Not disagreeing but were basing this on PE getting a couple of impact players on D. No guarantees there for sure. Is Ratliff going to be the guy he was in Dallas when he was healthy? History would tell us no. I love Collins but he was a backup before and now he’s in the mix as a starter after tearing his ACL. Paea is always dinged up. Maybe he has a healthy year and steps up like Woot did. Maybe not. I love Izzy but he’s just a guy. I saw almost nothing that tells me CD, Bostic or Greene take the next step this year. Everyone thinks they will but … CB is solid but the safeties have Uh-Oh written all over them. If things fall right for us this year and PE gets some help in the draft, we could sneak into the playoffs. With some bad luck on the injury front and another horrible D draft from PE and we’ll be lucky to go 8-8.

        • Johnathan Wood

          Ratliff was solid last year. If you take his last 4 games (his starts) and extrapolate, 50 tackles and 6 sacks.

          He’s a very solid rotational DT.

          • CanadaBear

            I thought he did OK last year but was expecting more. Probably too high of expectations more than anything.

          • Johnathan Wood

            he came in mid-season after being out hurt for basically a year and played ok. If he can stay healthy (always the if at that age), he’ll be a good solid player at worst, IMO.

            One of the ESPN writers opined that trading Melton for Ratliff would actually be an upgrade for 2014 a few weeks back. Dunno if I buy that (assuming 2012 Melton), but that tells you how highly he’s thought of.

          • CanadaBear

            I remember him being good in Dallas. I knew he out for 1+ seasons
            but thought there would be more. Hope a healthier version still has some of the old pop.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          I agree, C-Bear. I think we’re another draft away from where Emery would like to be. Playoffs this year don’t necessarily help that. Like Big Mike said, you need some seasoning, but I’d like that to start when we have the roster right.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Seattle used a DE as a 3-technique. For the Bears it could be Houston, Izzy or Wootton if they resign him… as they should. No need to spend a 1st round pick in such a DT. I’ve been trying to say that in past posts. What we need is a big body DT that can stop the run as his first trait. that way you can play nickel behind the DL. It’s the way Rob Ryan did it last year. Played with a S as a LB and used blitzing of CB or S to balance the non pass rushing of the DT.

    • Big Mike

      Still better than what was out there last season. Think about it. The goal is to improve. From the end of last year, they have. Better at DE, Better at safety, better at DT, better at LB.

      • CanadaBear

        Better than the injury replacements. Not sure about better LB’s. I hope to hell we’re better at safety but it’s not like any of the new safeties are a sure thing. Better at DT, not sure about that but I’m guessing either a safety or DT in the draft will help. Unless PE really can’t draft D.

        • Big Mike

          It’s the same group, minus Anderson who in my opinion was very light…He got pushed around and driven backwards, like no Bear LB I can remember. So you’ve got Bostic with a year of experience, DJ Williams healthy who I thought was playing very well when he went down, and McClellin, trying to prove he’s not a bust. I have my fingers crossed there… But whoever it is out there, will benefit from Briggs leadership. Bostic, Williams and Briggs, is actually a very, very athletic LB group.

          • CanadaBear

            Athletic for sure but I’m not buying in on CD, Bostic or Greene until I see some major improvement. I thought Anderson played well but wore down as the season went on.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Well, technically, we couldn’t get any worse this year. Not unless they expand the NFL.

  • MB30SD

    You forgot izzy jeff.

    Also I think the kid picked up from the Cowboys beats out conte. He’s 6’1″ 220 and he did play 15 games at safety for the Cowboys in 2012. Got 70+ tackles right? If our line is decent just have him play 25 yards back like conte did in 2012. Can’t be any worse on angles and tackles right?

    • Johnathan Wood

      Izzy would be the 3rd DE right now, so not a starter.

      • MB30SD

        really over young? Hmmmm… I don’t see that. maybe.

        • NewBearInTown

          Look at what they’re being paid.

          • MB30SD

            i get it, but it’s not always about money. If izzy comes in and blows it up…

      • Big Mike

        The depth along the d-line is nice. But I thought that last year.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          anomaly like you said

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Depth? We need a premier pass-rushing DE, plus a top DT. The backups we have in storage, yes.

          • MB30SD

            no, we’re looking to fix a totally broken d this year. Too many holes to make it great. that’s not the goal this year. The goal this year is to plug the holes and create the foundation to make it a great d next year and beyond.

            We just need top 20ish D this year and to hope to god the injury bug is merciful on both sides of the ball this year.

          • Big Mike

            Reality says that’s not in the cards in FA. We need stud safeties, stud MLB, Stud SAM, Stud 3technique/undertackle.. Premier DEs are not out there. I really like the pair we have and I really, really like them at the price we got them for. Both are poised to have their best years over the next several years…

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Agreed.

  • CanadaBear

    Reading the comments on the article about Melt in Dallas (on the ESPN Dallas site). Those numbskulls think they’re on their way to being relevant. One guy even said signing Major Wright would be a great move. I think he was serious. One thing they haven’t mentioned with Melt is he is playing in his hometown. The same place where he got in trouble. Many athletes with issues really have trouble when they are at home. Could be a perfect storm of trouble for Melt. Depends if he gets his shit together after the arrest.

    • Johnathan Wood

      I think Wright would be a good addition to a cap-strapped team in need of competent SS play for cheap. Assuming they have a good front 7, of course.

      I actually think he’d be perfect for Carolina, who has no $$ but lost their SS. They have the best front 7 in football IMO, better than Bears in 2012, and Wright would do just fine there.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Leopards and their spots.

  • Johnathan Wood

    Every time I start to think maybe the CHI D could be ok this year, I remember McClellin. I really hope they put him in an actual competition with Bostic and let Bostic start over Shea if he’s better. No more forcing him down our throats due to draft status, please.

    • NewBearInTown

      Greene also missing from the chart. If Bostic struggles in the move outside and McClellin can’t transition, we do have one player on the roster with a full season of experience playing Sam backer. If he steps up this year, he could eat the lunch of both players drafted higher than he was.

      • Johnathan Wood

        Greene was the WILL last year. Replaced Briggs.

        • MB30SD

          so remind me again why we’re not picking up anderson again for vet min? Makes zero sense to me… zero.

          • Big Mike

            We’ve got 5 LBs. All of whom have started in the NFL. Plus the 6th guy who is a special teamer we picked up. Can’t remember his name. Basically Costanza’s replacement.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            I call him Rizzo because that’s a good name for a nameless, faceless, 6th LB special teamer.

          • MB30SD

            this makes no sense to me. So again… we’re hanging our hopes on a IMLB who was totally lost last year switching to a position he’s never played before in his life, or our bust at DL switching to a position he’s only played situationally… over the best LB on the field last year once briggs went down?

            I. Don’t. Get. This.

            It’s a political hail mary prayer to save face on two picks rather than put the best guy at the spot. Bostic should be backing up DJW learning and getting better at his career long position… that we drafted him for. SMH in confusion.

          • Big Mike

            No politics. SAM is the easiest LB position from a mental standpoint. McClellin, might be a stud there. He really might. Bostic showed he belongs on the field. Anderson was awful. Made more tackles looking up at the sky than I care to recall. Either one of them is an upgrade physically.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Clearly Emery drafted McClellin believing he was a smart payer who ‘gets’ the game. That would be high on any list of first round draft picks. It’s not Shea’s fault he was asked to play DE when he was clearly not big enough to handle it. So what’s to stop him being successful playing a position we all thought he should have been playing from the get-go? Can he run? Can he tackle? Is he smart? If yes, then he has a decent chance of being very good indeed.

          • Big Mike

            From your keyboard to God’s ears. 6’3″ 4.61 40yd dash 250-255lbs. (I’m assuming he’s training to cut weight). Good motor. Spent a year bashing into Left Tackles, RBs and TE’s should be less of a problem.

          • CanadaBear

            If the 250-255 lbs is in reference to CD, you’re way off. He’s 230 ish. The Bears have lied about his weight from day one. GP stood next to him and dwarfed him. #54 was a legit 255-260 and was waaaaaaaaay bigger when you saw them standing next to each other. No weight loss required for CD.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            He was 260 at the combine, they don’t lie about that.

            http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Shea-McClellin?id=2532907

          • CanadaBear

            I remembered him to get bigger in his 3rd or 4th year and then he was the same from then on.

          • Big Mike

            He’s that big. Wait until you see him next to Briggs. Cutler is 220.. Marshall is 230.

          • MB30SD

            jesus christo guys seriously!?!?! I’ve given this POV like 50 times now.

            Because you all think he MIGHT not be a bust at a position he’s never played… in the NFL!? He WAS A DE IN COLLEGE irish… he was drafted as one because he WAS one!!!! He was never an official OLB in a 4-3. He played it situationally.

            Could be surprise the shit out of me and be good, sure, why not? BUt why in god’s name take that risk when you can get a guy who knows the system, the team, and has played the position his entire career and in the NFL for years and had more tackles than our MLB and more sacks that julius peppers last year?!?! Why take a total flier on an unknown when you can pay a guy $500k and get a known outcome of pretty goodness.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            It’s football MB. It’s not hard, look at the dummies that play it (some of ’em anyway). For a smart guy like CD, it’s not hard to switch your responsibilities. As a DE he had to drop back into coverage, on run plays, he’s going after the ball. Look at 3-4 OLBs. They play DE with their hand in the dirt, they play OLB standing up. It’s really not that hard. In the old days, guys played offense and defense. It’s a kids game that analysts make sound hard. It’s not.

            Dan Marino played football.

          • MB30SD

            mate, it’s not. trust me. It’s hard at that level. I consider myself a reasonably smart guy… high school was easy. Read the guard, if he blocks down, blast the gap, if he pulls across formation fill the gap again, if he comes out at you get under him and blast him back as hard as you can then expect the fullback next, if he pulls outside, follow him it’s a sweep, it he pass blocks, drop to your zone. 5-6 things… Easy.

            I got to college and our D had about 20 different packages, with about 20 different formations for each depending on what the O did each play, and that wasn’t even the customization stuff the starting team did each weak to specifically get ready for that week’s opponent. My head swam my whole freshman year, and I didn’t start to feel comfortable till the end of my second.

            Pros are different maing… it’s just just football, and it’s not JUST changing positions, everything changes and if you’ve played one position your whole life, changing is a BIG deal. You might look the part and you might be good at one position you’ve played all your football life, but changing suddenly in the pros no less must be insanity.

            Guess we’ll see how it all shakes out this year huh.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Can’t have it, MB. If you’re a DE with your hand on the ground, it’s a good probability that you spend a lot of the time standing up like a LB. You still have read pass or run. You still have to run, you still have to tackle. You have to react anyway, you don’t have the time to stand there thinking about the 20 different possibilities going on, you have to MOVE on the snap. So it’s not that hard, you’ll either get it right or you won’t. It’s instinct.

            Talking Shea here ….

            How did Urlacher go from playing safety/receiver/return man .. .to Mike in the NFL ? It’s not impossible if you’re smart, and the move from DE to OLB is miniscule. It’s just different assignments, but it’s the same game and same skills. He can do it if anyone can. I’ll enjoy watching that.

          • MB30SD

            with all due my man… your pov comes without the bennies of actually having experienced real organized football at any level.

            I appreciate your thoughts on it, but your just wrong maings. That and you’re comparing him to a guy who’s a once in a lifetime talent/athlete.

            Read all of this for more info (and be sure to read the part about how his college coach moved the other dlinemen to linebacker and be sure to pay attention to the results that garnered. Brian Urlacher might be an ahole, and he might have lost some of my respect, but he is one of the greatest LBs and football players of our time, if not the greatest.

            Read this: http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Urlacher/Urlacher_bio.html

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Wrong, I played organized football in my teens …. represented my country … got coached up by the Miami Dolphins’ coaches, and lots of little treats. Studied all the Xs and Os just like school work, and I know my football history. Can’t pull that one on me man.

            And with all due respect my friend, playing DE and OLB in a 3-4 ? NO big stretch tot he 4-3 either. It’s play recognition and pursuit/dropping back. Assignments change, that’s all. Sorry, it’s not oil and water. You don’t tackle or run differently. If you can play football, and you’re smart, it’s ridiculous to suggest a guy can’t play linebacker after DE. It’s just football. The basics remain the same. This is not rocket science.

            It’s just football.

          • MB30SD

            Apologies, that I didn’t know. How the fuck did that happen. That said, I can promise you the bump from teen fb to college is a wiiiiide gap, trust me. I went from HS all division ILB (one of two guys from 8 teams) to a nothing SS in college. And I went to a very good division II school, not even close to an alabama.

            So… I never said he can’t make the switch… I just said he won’t be good at it, not immediately, and probably not ever. Did you read the lach article? He was the only one who made the swap… because he was a freak. the other dudes, and their D sucked.

          • SC Dave

            Brian Urlacher was a safety in college.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            MB doesn’t like hearing that …. and never responds to it, eh MB? Go on, MB, why did they play Urlacher at a position he never played? He was a return specialist and a WR to boot. He was pretty good at playing different positions. Bostic and Shea will be fine.

          • MB30SD

            I don’t like hearing what? That a HOF player could play literally anywhere on the field?

            I was just going to add that Irish… 6 TDs as a WR, and 158 total return yard in his college career. Deeeeum!

            He’s a once in a decade+ kind of football player… you two think Shea is one of those?? Cammaaahn guys.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            We won’t know until we try him out. You’ve nailed your colors to the mast, for sure. I think you don’t want him to succeed now because you called him. If he doesn’t work out, he doesn’t work out, we move on. Only time will tell.

            There is NOTHING to suggest Shea can’t be a linebacker, it all points to the fact that he’s made for it.

          • MB30SD

            not true maing. I’ll 100% take my lumps if I’m wrong.

            I’m being so vocal because I believe trying him at another position because emery really doesn’t want him to bust is hurting the team. We’re taking a huge risk trying two guys who’ve never played the position there instead of just getting a vet for vet min. That’s it. I think it’s a very risky move and I wouldn’t do that to a D who’s trying to come back from a year like last year and trying to build an identity

          • MB30SD

            same answer as last thread (or whatever it was) dave.

            He was the #9 overall pick coming out of college and was 6’4″ 240 and ran a 4.4 40… and is now going to be in the HOF.

            He was also what they called a lobo-back, which was created just for him and was basically a LB/strong safety hybrid that gave him the ability to use his superior size and speed to move all over the field, rather then just be stuck in a 15 yard block in the box like other LBs.

            That shit doesn’t fall off trees and you can’t use an anomaly like him as your example for every tom dick and harry that comes along maings.

            So you’re basically equating shea mcclelin to brian urlacher?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            We can all read wiki, man. The point is – and to me it’s obviously proven time and time again – you can play a position different to the one you played in college. This is surely obvious.

          • MB30SD

            anderson awefull?!? dude, were we watching different games?!

            102 tackles
            85 solo
            4 Sacks
            3 pass defenses

            Nick roach

            112 tackles
            83 solo
            5.5 sacks
            3 pass defenses
            1 INT
            4 FF

            Looks like we should have kept roach, but still… Anderson was somewhat comparable and his stats looked very strong on a totally dogshit D with zero D line.

            I don’t know, maybe I’m crazy… but sadly it seems to be a moot point and I’ll drop it.

          • MB30SD
          • Big Mike

            Stats lie. Lots of Bears had huge number of tackles. Opposing offenses ran quite a few plays, somebody had to get credit for a tackle. I watched quite closely and even looked at the all 22. He was constantly being driven backwards. He made a lot of tackles getting run over, or catching up to the pile.

            He was the definition of a journeyman. No pop in his pads. Every time I paid attention to him, he was chasing a play instead of making one.

            He may have been my scapegoat. But I know one thing, he wasn’t that good and the combo of McClellin or Bostic has to be better. We know for a fact that they are less expensive. So put the money somewhere else on D.

          • MB30SD

            1. why must two guys who’ve never played the position be better?

            2. $500k isn’t more expensive. Putting two guys who’ve never played the position in their lives will be more expensive to the team, maybe not fiscally, but in results.

            Anderson might not be briggs, but he’s average… and he’s played the position his whole career and he’s still in the nfl. Put a line in front of him and better surrounding players and he will be better by definition.

            Anyway, spilled milk now, guess we’ll get a bunch of questions answered as soon as camp starts. Mostly, is CD a total bust no matter where you put him, and why didn’t we keep bostic at MLB under DJW to give him a normal shot to learn and grow into the spot he’s played his entire career and was drafted for. Time will tell.

          • Big Mike

            No upside with Penn or Anderson. They are what they are. Anderson is just my guy to hate. So leave me alone on that. 🙂

            You are correct on CD. Personally, I don’t think he’s a bust at SAM. My call is he is going to flash greatness. I think Bostic is there to push McClellin. If CD wins out, he will be backing up DJW.

          • Johnathan Wood

            IMO Anderson was solid last year… until Briggs went down right after Williams.

            Then he was swimming over his head trying to keep 2 rookies in line and call the plays, he couldn’t do it, and his play suffered.

            Would he be the best SAM LB on the roster right now? Most likely. But 2014 is a transition year on D, and a 30 year old marginal starter is not worth keeping around if it means you don’t let your young guys on the field.

            2014 will be used to find out what young guys are worth starting spots in 2015 and beyond, when they actually should be able to have a good D again. Next year in FA they’ll be able to plug holes that young guys can’t with 3-4 good-sized FA contracts to get young guys like Lamarr Houston here long term.

          • MB30SD

            I get that, and it makes total sens to me except… that he’d get a 1 yr vet min deal right? whe… sorry, I mean if… CD busts out at LB and bostic turns out to be a MLB like he is… then what do we do? I guess call anderson off his couch right? Ok, fine I’m over it.

          • Johnathan Wood

            I personally wouldn’t mind having Anderson back, but they want to see what the young guys have. They have 2 youngsters they have recently drafted high that will compete for one spot. I can live with that.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            There’s still the draft to come. It could happen that the best linebacker falls to us at a spot and Emery pulls the trigger e.g. Bullough falls to us in the fifth, or Mosley in the third. We can’t really evaluate the roster without having seen it.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            1. Talent. chops.

            2. Just an opinion, and CD has certainly played like an OLB many times during a game – they have to. Bostic is still a linebacker. It’s just football.

            Why are they moving Bostic? I guess his coaches know, that’s their job – ours to wonder why?

            CD will be okay. All just opinions now.

          • Johnathan Wood

            And that ST LB also has nearly a seasons’ worth of starting experience over the course of his career.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        If I can live out my life and not see Greene play linebacker for us ever again I would be a happy man. It was brutal to witness. I get that he’s a rook but damn.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          He’s fast, so he’s probably just a pass-rushing OLB that forms part of the hybrid set-up. The attack dog.

    • Big Mike

      McClellin is either going to be a beast, or a bust. I don’t think there is a middle ground. The reason I think this is, physically he has the tools. He should be extremely motivated to wipe off the “bust” label. On the other hand, he might not be able to pick up the SAM position. If he does, he has to beat out Bostic. If he beats out Bostic, what do you do with that guy?

      One positive, either Bostic or McClellin will be on special teams. That’s got to be an improvement.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Play Shea at Strong, sit Bostic behind DJW until he gets learned up or beats him out.

        • Big Mike

          I think that might happen, but Shea needs to beat Bostic out.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Am I alone in wanting Shea behind DJW ?

      • MB30SD

        yes. Hopefully your alone in wanting him on the field at all.

        bust.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            There’s a vid in the sidebar : 160 greatest Arnold Schwarzenegger quotes !

          • MB30SD

            “buncha slack-jawed faggots around here”

            Gotta figure out how to get the butt-chin for halloween this year. Hmmmmm…

          • CanadaBear

            Spirit gum or some other thing to hold the butt chins together.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Sticky tape!

      • EnderWiggin

        Seems like MLB is a better fit for him, ’cause his speed. The key word you use though – behind.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Well it’s the king of the D – he’d take time to pick that up naturally, and we should give it to him (time) and not just expect him to start somewhere right now because of his draft position. Phil’s building a roster and Rome wasn’t built in a day.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    I think Bostic should focus on being a 4-3 OLB, keep him out of the middle permanently, if he can excel at one of those spots then it wasn’t a waste of a second rounder. Look at Levonte David from the Bucs, I don’t know one Buc fan that is pissed that they spent a 2nd rounder on him and he was in the convo for DPOY. We can draft a true MLB this year (Bullough, sorry but that WIsco kid is too short for my liking) and let him learn behind DJ Will.

    • NewBearInTown

      One darkhorse for Phil to take at #14 is CJ Mosley. Mosley seems to be the only highly rated MLB prospect in the draft, so Emery might take him in round 1 to make sure we get somebody good.

      That would fit the Emery model of surprising everybody. He also fills a need, though not the one getting the most press.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        I like Mosley but not at 14. He’s rangy (is that a word?) but a little light at 232lbs.

        I think we sometimes forget how enormous Urlacher was. He played middle linebacker at 6’4 260. That’s insane.

        • CanadaBear

          But #54 was more like 245 when he came into the league. Butkus is nuts over Mosley.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            I love Mosley but feel like this is our chance to get a DL and S , get a solid year from DJ and Briggs, etc.
            I loved Mosley from even last year and was disappointed he was not entering the draft.

          • CanadaBear

            Sounds like he’s a baller. After reading the quotes from Butkus, I’m kinda intrigued. We desperately need a DT and Safety but he’s somebody I’ll track a little bit next year.

          • MB30SD

            http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=110707&draftyear=2014&genpos=ILB

            His 40 isn’t anywhere near lachs. His high was almost a 4.8.. lach ran in the 4.4s at his weight.

            Comparing anyone to lach just doesn’t work the guy was a one in a million freak of nature. Mosely looks good though, I just agree with yonny that we need to go DL or FS in rd 1. next year we should be able to go true BPA in every round.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            MAx B ran a 4.78.

            STRENGTHS Terrific football intelligence. Keys and diagnoses quickly, understands run fits and spills willingly. Physical — good take-on/tackle strengh between the tackles. Pursues hard. Good tackler when he’s able to square up ball carriers. Two-year captain with outstanding football character. Leads vocally and by example. Football is in his blood and approaches the game accordingly.

            WEAKNESSES Average athlete. Not explosive. Tight hips (exposed in space). Limited foot speed, lateral agility and range. Can be late to the perimeter. Struggles in man coverage and is stiff dropping/turning in coverage.

            BOTTOM LINE Big, tough, experienced, durable, competitive Mike linebacker who was a heart-and-soul type for the stingiest defense in college football. Like a coach on the field, Bullough is a throwback talent whose instincts and technique will have to compensate for athletic limitations for him to win a starting role.

            Hmmmmmm.

          • MB30SD

            sounds familiar. who is this:

            STRENGTHS Downhill Mike linebacker attacks lanes in the run game, often running through reach-blocks to get to his target. Immediately presses with hands on contact with good pad level to create space to work. Brings power to his tackles, stopping momentum and sometimes throwing bigger ballcarriers to the ground. Stuffs fullback blocks and holds his ground to stop linemen if unable to beat their blocks. Flashes the ability to pop off or swipe away linemen with his hands to grab backs in his immediate area. Does not mind getting in on piles or cleaning them up. Fights to take care of his responsibility, working the blocks all the way to the edge. Hustles in coverage, knows responsibilities on the tight end/running back and works to limit yards after catch. Sniffs out screens and secures the stop. Has experience at inside linebacker in both a three man front and four man front. Vocal leader that moves teammates to their correct spots.

            WEAKNESSES Thickly built chest and shoulders but quickness is lacking. Won’t be able to makes wasted moves after first step due to lack of burst. Has difficulties consistently get off better offensive lineman blocks and can be stiff-armed by longer ballcarriers. Hits with shoulder too often against the run, allows him to get sucked into offensive lineman’s block rather than being able to make a play on the football. Overrun plays at times, lacks elite change of direction ability to recover. Closing speed to the ball is average, quicker ballcarriers elude his advances through the hole and mobile quarterbacks can run away from him. Almost gallops in the open field, won’t catch pro backs and receivers from behind without help. Cut blocks at the second level give him issues. His eyes move faster than his feet can in terms of diagnosing the play and reacting.NFL

            BOTTOM LINE He is an absolute hammer in the middle of the defense, especially against the run. He fights to take out blockers and to accomplish his assignment, but when he attacks with his shoulder he fails to make a play on the football.. Even though he’s not as tall as some coaches would like, his production (he led the D with 94 tackles as a junior), onfield attitude and instincts for the ball make him a potential mid-round pick and gives him a chance to eventually earn a starting job at the next level.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Bostic.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            #1 guess was Samurai.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            If he has to cover TE’s and RB’s constantly, we may be in trouble. His highlight reel is composed of him making stops in the backfield on runs up the middle and attacking the QB’s on the blitz. I think he can hang in short zones, but he will be exposed by quick twitch RB’s and athletic TE’s, not to mention mobile QB’s that can get to the edge. Perfect 2 down backer tho.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Max B puts on 10lbs and there you are.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Kirwan didn’t mention Mosley, but had a total boner for Bullough. Smart as fuck, calling the D for one of the better Ds in college. The MLB that impressed him the most in the interviews. I don’t know what his off-the-field issues are that has him dropping like Burfict. Getting our starting Mike in rd 4/5 sounds like grand larceny to me, while we plug the line and DBs early on. Then there was the 5-11 dude whose name I can’t remember, also a lower round guy, but got off his blocks and smart as.

        • Cormonster

          See above. And yes, Borland is great at shedding blocks.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Borland, that’s the dude. Borland/Corel Paradox … ah, those were the days … before the CF that is Microsoft Access. Sue me, Bill. Suck my beehive.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      I’m with you on Bullough, anywhere from 4th round onwards. Then we can groom Bostic and Shea at OLB for when we ditch Lambo Comic-boy next season.

    • Cormonster

      Borland is one of my favorite Badgers ever. He’s a total baller, but I think he fits better as a 3-4 inside LB. Not sure he has the speed to cover large areas. Some team will get a great player if he can stay healthy. He’s also a really good pass rusher. I wonder if the draft experts agree with me. I’ll have to go look that up.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Kirwan creamed himself over Borland.

        • Cormonster

          Borland has a non stop motor like JJ Watt. He’s always around the ball. I think he was Big 10 defensive POY last year. Even though he’s 5’11” he weighs about 250 or 260. He obviously loves playing football.

          As a freshman and sophomore, he played OLB and was a great pass rusher on passing downs, always causing havoc. As a junior they moved him to MLB in a 4-3 defense. After a coaching change last year, he was an ILB in a 3-4 hybrid defense. He excelled at all 3 positions. In fact, as a freshman he often played DE on passing downs.

          I believe he was a walk – on at Wisconsin, but immediately given a scholarship. Coaches said he tried out at multiple positions and was really good at all of them. Long snapper, kicker, punter, FB, TE, and various defense positions. I believe for a couple years he was the wild card if the team needed to try a really long FG.

          • MB30SD

            that I like… the athlete who can play multiple spots really well. THAT is a marker for some kind of success. what round is he projected to?

          • Cormonster

            I haven’t looked at any mock drafts yet, but I’m guessing 2nd or 3rd round. If he somehow fell to us in the third, it would be a total steal. I bet he’s gone by middle of 2nd round. He’s an intense and smart player, but short. All he did in college was make plays. I believe he’s 1st or 2nd in forced fumbles in Big 10 history. But I’m not an expert on this stuff by a long shot.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    My McClellin take: It was a mistake, Chandler Jones was the no brainer pick at that point. However, Shea knocked out A-Vag for long enough to play a virtual playoff game for the division this year. If he delivers 8-10 sacks this year in a situational role or knocks the Vag out again this year then I wouldn’t deem it an absolute waste of a pick. That would be 2 impact seasons out of three and would move him from bust to disappointment.

    • NewBearInTown

      I’d say another season like he just had and he’s a dissapointment, not a bust. That’s a good distinction. As a DE, he’s a situational pass rusher with decent, but not overwhelming production. Good character, good motor. That’s a guy a team would sign as a #6 of 7 Dlineman. Not exactly what you want from a first round pick, but he’ll be in the league past his rookie deal.

      • Johnathan Wood

        He was arguably the worst DE in the NFL against the run last year and a huge part of their shitty run D. The pick is absolutely a bust right now unless he becomes a solid starting LB.

        • NewBearInTown

          Like I said, situational pass rusher. He can’t play DE on running downs. So he’s not a starter. But there are plenty of guys with work in this league that can’t play the run.

          • Big Mike

            So what we are saying is that the Bears defense is much better. Peppers wasn’t great against the run. McClellin was embarrassing. Now we have 2 guys who play the run very well, with some upside on the pass rush front. .

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            With the not inconsiderable contribution of a full draft to come, with the distinct possibility of a cheeky trade down.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Again, never saw the guy as a DE in the NFL. I automatically assumed “Ah, Urlacher’s heir..” when we drafted him. Not his fault. Management’s. You put Roy Jones Jr. in against Tyson, he’s getting knocked the fuck out. Not a bad boxer, just wrong weight division.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      A-Vadge! And what price on knocking out the most dangerous player in your conference, eh lads?

  • TheBigCheesy

    If you swap Jeremiah Ratliff for Jay Ratliff, it looks a lot more menacing…

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Enjoy Pep’s Plantar Fascitis (that’s a medical condition) and impersonations of “man trying”, Cheesy ! Our D-line this year will be like a knife through, well, soft smelly cheese. Our offense will be moving the chains before old man Jules is into his first step.

      ‘Impersonations’ is five syllables, sorry, couldn’t think of a smaller word.

      • TheBigCheesy

        I suppose it’s theoretically probable for the Bears to finish ahead of the Packers one of these days. So eventually one of you sorry SOBs are going to hit on your empty preseason threats.

        How you can speak confidently of the teddy bears after what’s transpired over the last 7+ years, I’ll never understand. Bless your soul.

  • NewBearInTown

    On the offensive side, the starting group looks awesome. Backups are a concern though.

    QB: Palmer? Not much upside, not much assurance that he can play if Jay goes down.
    RB: Ford? Nobody with much experience. Plus a change of pace guy would be nice.
    WR: Wilson? He’s supposed to be solid this year, but we still lack the speedy slot guy (the only thing we used to have). We also need a fourth WR.
    OL: We’ve got Taylor Boggs, James Brown and Joe Long. That’s a big step back if someone goes down.

    • MB30SD

      chris williams could work the slot if needed it would seem

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      I could see an Eben Britton signing for cheap since he hasn’t gotten a lot of interest per the beat guys. Palmer would do fine if all he needs to do is get quick throws into our Beasts hands. People were lining up to jump off of the nearest high rises when we went into the season with McCown as the backup. I can’t believe people don’t remember that shit. Give me a tall, semi athletic QB that knows the system and knows exactly what’s expected of him and that is a sufficient backup.
      I know we can’t afford to lose any games by not playing great offense in case Jay goes down but no GM that wants to keep his job hires a backup for 2yrs 10Mil. Especially when that guy DOESN’T WANT TO BE A BACKUP and can start for another team.

      • Bender McLugh

        I don’t see us going into the season without signing a vet backup. I’d be very very surprised if that was the case.

        • MB30SD

          isn’t that what palmer is?

          • Bender McLugh

            HAHA…wait seriously?

          • MB30SD

            I assume you would have had the same response re: mccown before the season last year. They’re the same guy except pamer is bigger and more athletic with a stronger arm. (and 5 years younger)

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            He’s bigger, for sure … but 59 yards passing? Dude.

          • Bender McLugh

            I did have the same for McCown last year, but there was alot more tape on him screwing up in a bears uniform. Not so much for Palmer…

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            6’5 235 29yr old with athletic ability that understands the West Coast offense. Nah, not a good fit.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Josh had plenty of experience at QB. Who’s Jordan Palmer ?

        This is Jordan Palmer. His career stats ….

        TD–INT 0–2
        Passing yards 59
        QB Rating 34.4

        … and he’ll be 30 when camp opens if you can believe that.

        I kind of hope he plays most of the season for us, ‘cos we’ll have an awesome draft next year.

        • MB30SD

          stop this throw the season shit right now. just stop it.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Did you see what’s posted directly above you? Palmer’s stats. You were saying about McCown …?

        • Johnathan Wood

          McCown had plenty of experience… as a bad QB.

          Seriously, look at his track record before last year. not even one stint approaching competent (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3609/josh-mccown). He was out of the NFL caoching HS football until he got pulled off the street 3 years ago late in the year.

          Good OL + best skill position players in NFL + good play caller = mediocre QB can get by if needed.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            No one has responded to Palmers’ complete lack of ANY experience. McCown is gone, the horse has bolted. Palmer is the only gig in town right now.

          • Johnathan Wood

            He’s been around the league for a long time. Not a ton of throws, but 7-8 preseasons and camps, lots of practice time.

            The coaches obviously like him. I trust Emery/Trestman implicitly when it comes to offense so far. They’ve pretty much nailed that. If they trust Palmer as the guy, then so do I.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        I don’t understand how the guy that earns 20M+ can’t be backed up by a guy for 25% the price – especially with large muscular men in armor trying to kill him on every play. When you actually need him, he’s the most important player on your roster at that point, is he not? He’s not a backup lineman, or a backup safety, he’s the backup FRANCHISE guy. To say that’s not worth 5M a year to a billion dollar organization is frankly idiotic.

        You have one less crap safety, and one less receiver you never use, to be replaced by cheaper alternatives. You channel 5M into the backup QB’s pocket. This is football, it’s not hard.

        59 yards … and he’ll be 30. Jesus H. Christ.

    • Bender McLugh

      Hixon is still a good route runner and can fill the 4th WR spot this year, not a long term guy by any means I don’t think though.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Ford is a banger and a mover – y’all must have been drunk or pre-season was on Shabbos. And I’ll stick my neck out here and say that I bet he proves to everybody he’s a more natural runner than Forte. He’s built like Wally, with huge guns for those stiff-arms, he’s nice and compact. Matty runs quite upright and doesn’t fool many with his fakes. Everything happens more slowly, he’s better once he picks up speed, but then he just runs wavy lines. Ford has a lower center of gravity, quicker feints and fakes, quicker change of direction and pace. They’re a great complement to each other and I’d like to see more tandem running to throw the defenses off. Matt obviously provides us with a target in the passing game too.

      If we draft a back, then he needs to be a road-grader.

      Surely Tolliver is a better option than Wilson (size + exp), which makes Wilson the 4th outside guy, and Williams looks born for the slot, and is certainly speedy. We need to get Tolliver off the damn PS by the way.

      OL and QB definitely need a looker on the bench.

  • NewBearInTown

    Also absent from the list is special teams. We’ve signed some good coverage players. We’ve got the LS and K covered with our perennial starters. But what about punter? The Bears still need to bring someone to punt.

    • Big Mike

      Not to mention Bostic, or McClellin going to ST.

      • MB30SD

        http://www.panthers.com/team/roster/Jordan-Senn/a7972ed2-4b8c-4c69-a107-d4cfa69c1122

        Jordan senn, can play both IMLB and WIL. started 7 games for carolina in 2011 and had 70+ tackles and a couple other ball recoveries.

        • Big Mike

          very frustrating if he beats anybody out, but a good depth guy and special teams player for sure.

          • MB30SD

            right

          • Johnathan Wood

            usually keep 6 or 7 LB, with the last guy being ST only. He’s that last guy.

            They have 5 other LB pretty much assured roster spots: Briggs, Williams, McClellin, Bostic, Greene.

            So they could roll only with those 6, or could have one more make the roster. So not ruled out in the draft, but not likely early either IMO.

    • Bender McLugh

      is Butthead’s son going to sign or was that just a feel-good article from the trib?

      • CanadaBear

        Butthead’s son and Tress Way are both on the roster. I’m guessing they sign another punter during the off season and best man wins.

    • Johnathan Wood

      Tough to project ST at this point because you don’t know who makes the roster.

  • bearsfantillend
    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      unbelievable

    • CanadaBear

      I’m looking for a shot at Jennifer Lawrence! Dream the impossible dream.

      • gpldan

        Did you check her in American Hustle? She was good in that.

        • CanadaBear

          Yeah, I really like her. She was amazing in Winter’s Bone. I like the fact the movie people are always on her to lose weight and she says I like the way I look. Gotta admire someone with that kind of confidence in that business.

    • He must be stupider than he sounds, and that’s nigh impossible.

  • Shady

    I know the offense is solid and all the starters are returning, but I don’t want the Bears to stop building on that side if the ball. The focus of the draft will be defense for obvious reasons, but the Bears need to take the offense from good to great to compete for championships. Having a good offense and good defense is nice, but unless you’re great on one side of the ball or the other you’re not going to be competing for a ring. I’d rather have a great offense with a mediocre defense or vice versa than be just “good” on both sides.

    Looking at the offense, there are a few spots that the Bears can address in the draft that can take the unit to the next level. The O-line went from crap to good in about one offseason, but Emery shouldn’t stop at good. Give Trestman and Kromer fresh putty to mold. Can you imagine an O line with two HOF sons Long AND Matthews? Uh, yes please. Or if a Sammy Watkins falls? Pairing him with the Beasts on the outside? Mmmmm yeah. I know the Bears are in D rebuild mode, but I hope it doesn’t prevent them from taking the offense from good to great.

    • MB30SD

      gotta plug the holes first maings. Next year we’ll have ridiculous cap space, hopefully a solid yet unspectacular D, and at that point you really play to take things to the next level on both sides. Pick up some serious playmakers on both sides of the ball and go big.

      So I agree with everyone saying 2015 is the year… this year it’s has to be about fixing the D, without it we’ll still be in rebuild mode next year too. Get it all done with this year, then storm the beach the following year.

      • gpldan

        This seems to be the consensus on the blog; make it to the NFC Championship Game and lose to the Niners; aka the 1984 Bears Theory of Pissed Off Revenge that Pushes Them to Greatness Postulation.

        But I don’t think you can do that anymore. 1st rounders have more impact on the game now then they did then. Guys are coming into the league in the 1st round as impact guys and changing team dynamics, you can radically overhaul a team in one off-season if you are exiting cap limbo and jackpot the draft.

        Poor judgment in this area leads one to “Dan Snyder Disease” where you are constantly cycling in and out of cap hell due to one’s inability to not want to fuck the Anna Nicole Smith’s of the Free Agency Pool, but for a shrewd GM, team building can get done with a core of decent guys in one or two seasons.

        This is Phil’s third season, and I think if the team slips to sub-500, then it may be time to contemplate change again. But that’s getting ahead of the story.

        • MB30SD

          i don’t go there with it at all. I saw him completely rebuild the offense in a couple seasons from the perennial badness it had been for a decade to # whatever it was last year.

          I think if emery does well in the draft and picks one of the guys everyone expects us to pick (AKA a chandler jones and not a chicken dinner) in the first three rounds, I think the team next year can easily be a first round playoff team, maybe even a rd two. barring catastrophic injuries again of course.

          Then the following year we have ridiculous cap room and another full draft to pick up any remaining pieces and truly finally be able to pick BPA in most rounds… that’s a SB potential team.

          So I personally wasn’t thinking 500 or sub 500 this year then better next. I was thinking 9-7 worst case this year and sb shot next.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Nah, the 85 team was all there in 84, arguably 83. In fact we were missing Bell and Harris. Our SB squad is nowhere in sight. Not yet. Getting to the NFC champs just royally fucks our draft next year IMHO.

    • Johnathan Wood

      OL will be expected to improve with the 2 rookies on the right, IMO.

      Depth is an issue at TE and RB.

      • Johnathan Wood

        IMO first 3 rounds have to be some combo of DT, S, and CB. (unless they re-sign Bowman and go CB-Aaron Colvin-in round 4. But if Colvin is gone, then you still need a CB to groom for next year).

        I would have said 4 and added DE into that mix, but they’ve added enough at DE that I think they could get by there with the guys they currently have.

        So after those first 3 rounds address the immediate needs, you can look for BPA depth anywhere. There really is no position where you say “nah, we’re good, don’t need to consider drafting a guy there.”

        • Johnathan Wood

          I think right now they’d be fine at QB, WR, DE, LB. Once you draft a DT, CB, and S in first 3 rounds they also have adequate depth there IMO. If they re-sign Eben Britton, OL would be ok, though you could still look C to groom for 2015.

          The biggest depth needs IMO are TE and RB. Landing a solid backup at those two spots in round 4+ would be amazing.

          But like I said, they could really add depth pretty much anywhere.

          • Johnathan Wood

            one other thing to remember is that this is arguably the deepest draft in NFL history due to a record-shattering # of underclassmen. There is about an extra round of talent in this years’ draft compared to last year, so there will be some quality UDFA.

            I expect at least 2-3 UDFA brought into camp to earn spots on the roster, maybe closer to 5.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Bushrd goes down? What then? Kyle goes down? What then? Garza is likely to go down.

        • Johnathan Wood

          if they re-sign Britton they will bring back their top 8 OL from last year. Britton is top backup for pretty much entire OL, IMO (both T/G spots, and if C goes down Slauson slides inside and Britton goes LG).

          They also added Joe Long at the end of last year to compete for a backup OT spot.

          Bushrod is the least replacable person on that line, as are most LTs. But having a quality proven LT is pretty much impossible in a capped NFL. I wonder if they would slide Long to LT if Bushrod goes down.

          Like I said below, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them grab an OL guy late in the draft if there’s somebody they like, especially at C. But I also think they’d be fine with what they have on the roster now (if they re-sign Britton).

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Maybe he surprises us and just goes DE/DT/OT/OG in the first 4 rounds .. or swap a DL out for a Safety. Balance. And NAILS it! Didn’t see that coming …. did we?

      • MB30SD

        FS | DT | CB | LB | P (?)

      • there was no expectation of a seattle super bowl last season. we see how that turned out.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Speak for yourself Evan. Seattle had a top Defense already, Beastmode, mobile QB … they were no flash in the pan.

          • MB30SD

            have to agree, my two buddies who are die hard hawks fans, were very confident they were winning the supper bowl even in last off season. Cunts.

          • Cormonster

            I remember Irish predicting Seattle to win the Super Bowl at the start of last season.

  • MB30SD
    • gpldan

      I like Big Bang Theory on tv, although the characters seem to be in stasis.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

    First thoughts : feels like there’s a DT and a DE missing there, right? Not to mention two safeties. This is pre-draft of course ….

    We just signed Sherrick McManis btw FWIW.

    • Johnathan Wood

      DE could have a rotational guy added in the draft, but those are the starters. And they’d probably be fine with Idonije/Bass as top backups, IMO.

      DT needs a starter to slide Collins to backup. Collins and Paea as backup DTs is very good depth.

      Will likely add one S early in draft (first 2 rounds) who will compete with one of those 2 for a starting spot, IMO.

      • MB30SD

        do any scouting on the FS from dallas? He’s a beast.

        • Johnathan Wood

          he’s a ST guy only, IMO.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        You can’t’ have Idonije/Bass as top backups. One of them would have to be into the 3rd down lineup. That’s far from ideal. I think Wootton has a big chance at returning.

        • Johnathan Wood

          I would love Wootton back but just don’t see it as likely at this point.
          Idonije is a prototypical 3rd DE.

          Don’t forget also that hybrid fronts means you’ll see a lot of nickel/3rd down looks with only 3 DL guys and 3 LB (with one of them rushing). So Shea is kind of the 5th defensive end in that scenario.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Izzy is 35 and Shea is a bust. There are no scenarios where these 2 are important contributors if I’m a GM creating a roster. Like… everything they give you must be seen as a bonus. You can’t count on it when building your roster. PS: I’d use Idonije as a prototypical 3rd DE when one of my starters are injured or I go with 4 DE pass rushing. Houston-Wootton-Idonaje-Young. But he can’t be the first option at this time.

          • Johnathan Wood

            I agree DE depth worries me, but there’s also no denying the DE position looks a hell of a lot better now than it did at the end of the year.

            Their moves so far indicate to me either a) a guy is coming in the draft or b) they expect Bass to step up and contribute better this year.

          • Shea is a bust at DE.

            I’m reserving judgment on him being a bust as a Bear until after he gets a year at the position he played in college.

          • MB30SD

            He already busted out at the position he played in college my mustachionadoed maingses

            http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/shea-mcclellin-1.html

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Irrelevant, Captain. This is the NFL, where he was always projected to be a LB …. clear as fucking day …even to a Paddy that lives in Thailand.

          • MB30SD

            NO HE FUCKING WASN’T IRISH!!!

            are you trying to give me a fucking aneurysm?!? He was drafted as a fucking fast rush DE that was supposed to actually be good at what he played his entire career… did you see the “DL” in the link I posted above… that doesn’t stand for fucking linebacker!!!!!!

            MY god you’re driving me fucking crazy! I feel like yonny right now. The ONLY reason he’s going to linebacker is because he was dogshit at DE and emery just can’t seem to admit he blew his first ever pick as GM (or let lovie/mari influence him into it… riiiiiight canada. Muuuwahahahahaha!)

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Okay then – I projected him to be MLB, Brian Urlacher’s heir. Me. I looked at the body, and thought ‘Mike’. Then they put him in as end. Couldn’t figure it out myself. He was never big enough to play DE in the NFL, OLB in a 3-4, yes. Not DE in a 4-3.

          • MB30SD

            correct… he didn’t look like a DE, but we took him instead of cjones anyway. Busted pick.

            Let’s call it what it was… emery missed. He took a gamble for a big reward, and the risk was just as big. win some lose some… let’s just hope he doesn’t ever try that shit again with our rd 1 pick.

          • hmm. so it seems. i was thrown off by him never putting his hands on the ground. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBo1St4vArc

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Look at this tape MB. Stop hatin’ just because. Watch it. This guy is Brian Urlacher waiting to happen. If they can lock him in the weight room, and coach him up, he’ll be a stud for us at Mike or OLB.

          • MB30SD

            I’m not hating just because irish, I’m hating because I played and watched and worshiped organize football from the time I was 10 till I was 24. It’s what I was maing. I played at multiple levels and experienced the massive jump in ability at each level.

            He’s not at all brian urlacher. That statement alone shows me how you’re not y very getting it my maings. I’m not trying to be a dick here, I’m really not. You’ve never played the game in any organized fashion man. It’s different than the street ball you said you played. It just is… very different.

            I responded to you below. Read that response… and read this about BU: http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Urlacher/Urlacher_bio.html

            He’s a once in a lifetime football player mate, CD is just another dude who couldn’t make the leap and sucks in the pros against the best there is.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I didn’t play street ball! I played organized football with the Dublin Celts and repped my country !!! I was coached by the Miami fucking Dolphins !! Stop dissing me and telling me that I haven’t played football!!

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            He’s Brian Urlacher in the sense that he can switch positions, not that he’ll be a HOFer, no. As LBs I don’t think they will ever be equivalent. As players I think Shea can emulate Lac’s switch, just from different parts of the field.

            Joe Thomas is an OT, played TE in college. Jeff Hostetler was a linebacker in HS, moved to HB his senior year, moved to QB in college.

            Charles Woodson was a running back in HS.

            Jason Taylor went from LB in college to DE in the NFL.

            Warren Sapp was a linebacker, tight end and punter in HS.

            Otto Graham – one of the greatest QBs of all time – played Defensive Back and Professional Basketball. How does that fit into your rigid scheme of can’t-play-two-positions? Bo Jackson! BOOM!

            Dave Casper – one of the best ever TEs in the NFL … OT in college.

            Tony Gonzalez, TE? LB in college. Hines Ward – HB and QB in college.

            From Bleacher report :

            Herb Adderley: HOF NFL CB (Green Bay Packers, 1961-1969; Dallas Cowboys 1970-1972), played RB for Michigan State in college.

            Marcus Allen: HOF NFL RB (Los Angeles Raiders, 1982-1992; Kansas City Chiefs, 1993-1997) and HOF USC RB in college, played S and QB in high school.

            Dallas Clark: NFL TE (Indianapolis Colts, 2003-present), played LB at Iowa in college, before switching to TE.

            Nick Collins: NFL S (Green Bay Packers, 2005-present) played LB at Bethuine-Cookman in college, before switching to S. In high school, he was a DB, QB, and RB.

            Patrick Crayton: NFL WR (Dallas Cowboys, 2004-present), played WR for his three years of college at Northwestern Oklahoma State, before switching to QB for his senior year.

            Antonio Gates: NFL TE (San Diego Chargers, 2003-present), played LB at Michigan State in college, before transferring to Kent State and switching to TE.

            Desmond Howard: NFL WR/KR/PR (Washington Redskins, 1992-1994; Jacksonville Jaguars, 1995; Green bay Packers, 1996,1999; Oakland Raiders, 1997-1998; Detroit Lions, 2000-20001) was a Heisman winning return man and WR at Michigan in college. In high school he played RB, DB, and KR/PR.

            Leonard Little: NFL DE: (St. Louis Rams 1998-present) played DE at Coffeyville Community College, and then transferred to Tennessee as a DE, before switching to LB. In high school, he played LB and WR.

            Steve Smith: NFL WR (Carolina Panthers, 2001-present) and WR at Santa Monica College, and later Utah in college, played RB and DB in high school.

            Lawrence Taylor: HOF NFL LB (New York Giants, 1981-1993), was originally recruited to play college football for North Carolina as a DL, before switching to LB.

            Andre Tippett: HOF NFL LB (New England Patriots, 1982-1993), played DE at Iowa in college.
            Brian Urlacher: NFL LB (Chicago Bears, 2000-present), played LB and S at New Mexico in college, as well as playing a mix of the two called a “Lobo-Back”, in addition to WR and KR/PR.

            Now, you’re telling us that Shea CANNOT play OLB or Mike?

            We’ll see. You’re probably right, but we’ll see. I’ll bet a chocolate dollar he can.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You can reserve judgment for as long as you want. But you can’t say ‘We have depth… Shea is there’. First bring me back Wootton and draft a DE that can rush the passer. McClellin should worry about winning the OLB from Bass and others.

          • never said we had that depth, brother man. just saying Shea never should have been asked to put his hand on the ground.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            This!! And only this!

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Mel Tucker who is our DC didn’t think so… that kind of tells you what kind of DC we have.

          • by that logic, we have the kind of DC who had the same thoughts as the DC before him who oversaw one of the league’s best units.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            and we sent him packing without any remorse. Only an idiot would see this player as they both did. It’s all politics and bullshit.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      depth and Special teams. nice signing. now get Bowman back on board and draft me some DT

      • Johnathan Wood

        Bowman and Britton are the two must re-signs still for me.

        I am all in favor of re-signing Bowman and stashing Aaron Colvin in round 4 on IR for the year.

        • i like britton.

          i don’t like when they put in britton on 4th-and-1 and then use the personnel to get all cutesy and try to run a naked-bootleg-halfback-option-tight end-reverse to the weak side

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            it was like Trestman was trying to win a bet. Just go to your beasts. They weren’t even in the game on those bullshit goal line and 4h and 1 calls.
            No more of that shit this year. Cutty to Brandon/ALshon/Unicorn is the way to go.

          • yup. or, god forbid, power back bulldozing behind Mills/Long.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          McManis was just signed. How many CBs do we have now?

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            Nut, Jennings, McMannis, Frey, Hayden I believe. I’d like Bowman back by the time the weekend hits.

          • Johnathan Wood

            They have a lot of CBs. Also have UDFA from last year in CJ Wilson and Demontre Hurst.

            But look at guys you’d be comfortable playing CB.

            Outside: Tillman, Jennings
            Slot: Frey, Hayden?, Jennings

            You usually keep 5 CBs. 2 starting outside, 1 starting slot, 1 top backup, 1 ST guy.

            McManis will compete with the youngsters for that ST role. Still need that top backup, IMO. Bowman would be perfect for that.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I smell a CB in the top 3 rounds, that’s the deep position by all accounts. Somebody hot will fall too far.

          • Johnathan Wood

            I agree. I think the first 3 rounds are some combo of DT, S, CB. Ideally DT round 1 and best value to get one of each of those in round 2.

            But I could see waiting til rd 4 for a CB, depending on if they re-sign Bowman or not.

  • MrARodgers

    Yes, that looks like you will be 8-8 if you are lucky – Green Bay easily wins division again – goes to SB

    • gpldan

      Troll it bitch

    • MB30SD

      dude, you forgot the “s.” in your handle. (NTTAWWT)

    • The only thing worse than a troll, is an off-season troll. Seriously? Don’t you have a basketball or baseball or ice-fishing team? oh, wait….

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Before we actually WIN the SB in 2015, and then continue to be in the running annually.. having an actual carefully designed roster, unlike the CF you currently have.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I’d really love Kevin Williams in the middle of that DLine. I’d also want one of Cris Clemons or Steve Gregory at S. Instead of Bostic fighting for that OLB spot I think David Bass should fight for that spot with McClellin. Make Bostic fight with DJ Williams for the 3rd down spot next to Briggs.

    • MB30SD

      boom. well said barb. I don;t know about bass as OL in a 4-3, but def with you on williams, clemons, and bostic’s spot.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Well Bass is similar in size with McClellin. Like they are the same man. And he is no DE. Bostic should start the seson spending every second working at being on the field on 3rd down and nickel. Fuck first 2 downs. By doing so he can take the Briggs role in 2015..

        • Shea is not nearly as explosive though. Shea’s best attribute is his intincts, which is why me and Irish think he’d make a fine MLB.

          Butch and Irish, 2016.

          “Tall and White – Reptilians need to get squashed”

          • johnnywad

            The only thing I see when I look at Shea is a guy with somebody else’s helmet on. I can’t get over it. I refuse to take him seriously until they get him the proper fit. You shouldn’t be able to see his entire billboard of a forehead while in helmet. Pet peeve, I know. But it bugs the shit out of me.

          • he sports the Rodger’s-Tard-Anti-Concusion Helmet, which is why defenders don’t like wearing it.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Got to take your concussions like a man.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Are you reading this … Bears’ equipment guy?

          • johnnywad

            Maybe it just started out as hazing by the vets. Then one day, Shea looked in the locker room mirror and liked what he saw.

          • CanadaBear

            I thought his instincts last year were absolutely horrible. He got sucked in on every misdirection play.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Book it. And his nickname will be ‘Country’. Bostic is built more like Briggsy and looks better on the outside, with a penchant for the blitz.

        • Bass has more Pick 6’s in his career than Chris Conte. Wherever he lines up, the man will make a difference!

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He should compete for the OLB spot.

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    • Bear Down in Tampa

      One of my favorite movies of all time, having served in the Corps myself this movie brings back some memories…although we didn’t have it nearly as tough as those guys did.

  • *Conte.

  • IMO, we still need a power back, TE, center and qb to mold.

    • Johnathan Wood

      C: Gabe Ikard, round 6. It’s happening.

      • Didn’t we interview him? If so, it almost is for sure happening. Emery’s first rounders are an enigma, like the Hell Raiser puzzle, but usually whomever they visit for the later rounds is pretty indicative.

        • Johnathan Wood

          yeah, he has some sort or Kromer connection going way back. He’s exactly what the line needs too, IMO, and will be the starter 2015 on.

          4-year starter, 3-year all Big 12, leader of the line. Heart and soul of the line. Perfect. He’s gonna fall because he needs a year to bulk up (supposedly), which is an ideal scenario for Chicago to swoop in late and have a starter ready to go next year.

    • Cormonster

      We got Fendi on a bun for TE.

      • MB30SD

        the poor man’s kellen davis.

        smfh.

        • and here i always thought kellen davis was the poor man’s kellen davis all by himself.

          • MB30SD

            he is… so what does that tell you about on-a-bun?

          • that someone on the blog is going to defend him voraciously based on one TD catch against carolina? (don’t remember who that was, but definitely remember it happening)

          • MB30SD

            I have my money on one or two names. hee hee

        • AlbertInTucson

          Frankly, I don’t think he was even THAT , um..”good”.

        • johnnywad

          That took my breath away

      • AlbertInTucson

        Onabun, Sigh. I know they would like another “He played college basketball so he’s the next Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates” but all I have ever seen him do was drop passes.

        BTW, he could’nt get much floor time when he was at U pf AZ basketball.

        • CanadaBear

          He’s really good at everything except one! Of course, that’s a biggie. If he actually gets it together, Woo-Hoo! Sure not counting on it.

          • Johnathan Wood

            he was amazing at getting open (albeit against backups) in the preseason last year. Just couldn’t catch. Basically a more athletic Kellen Davis. Maybe a year on the PS helps him work on his hands a bit. I heard a rumor a while back he was doing a lot of work with the jugs machine. He’s definitely somebody to keep an eye on in camp/preseason.

            This is certainly the longest he’s ever stuck in one spot, so the coaches see something in him that they’re hoping to unlock. Maybe they’ll succeed. I find it kinda odd he’s not down in FL working out with the rest of the guys though.

          • CanadaBear

            The jugs machine really worked for Jennings. After he had that dismal year where he easily dropped a half dozen INT’s, he took that up and has been awesome at hanging onto the ball.

          • Johnathan Wood

            yeah, if he is willing to put in the work (I’ve heard rumors but nothing confirmed that he is) then he has a decent chance to stick on the roster, IMO.

  • unrelated to the bears, but if any of you are on facebook and are willing to help a brother out, please vote for a photograph i took of Eddie Roberts from The New Mastersounds. If I win, I can get published.

    http://bit.ly/1hBiZYt

    • CanadaBear

      Done. My wife is a photographer so I’m a pretty soft touch.

      • thanks for the vote. she have any tips for an amateur looking to get his first check for a photo?

        • CanadaBear

          I’ll ask her. She doesn’t do much band/performance photography. Mostly B&W. Check out her website;

          toviewmore.com

          • MB30SD

            wow, seriously beautiful stuff canada, she’s really talented.

          • CanadaBear

            She’s got good taste in everything but men!

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Dude. $850 ?? That’s for a photo print right? Does she throw in the camera??

          • MB30SD

            art ain’t cheap maings… have the girls start painting with a neighborhood elephant, get it to go viral, then sell the canvases for thousands.

            Retirement plan….. check.

            You’re welcome mate.

          • CanadaBear

            You haven’t priced out Nikon cameras and lenses recently!

          • DaMurph

            Holy crap Canada, Your wife’s photos are awesome, absolutely breathtaking! Be sure to tell her how impressed MB and I are! You know MB is not easily swayed!

          • CanadaBear

            I never wanted to be one of those guys (you know the type, more relentless than a baptist preacher with an Amway distributorship). She’s super talented and does artwork and pottery, too. We’ve been to some really cool places in Western Canada! She was looking over my shoulder and said thanks!

          • holy balls! dude, that’s an artist you’ve got on your hands. i love her stuff.

          • CanadaBear

            She does neat stuff. One of her new projects is having her images transferred to shiny aluminum and then paints them to give it a 3D effect. It’s really cool and she’s sold quite a few of them. Very labor intensive and expensive.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Dude. $850 ?? That’s for a photo print, right? Does she throw in the camera??

            Beautiful though, really.

          • CanadaBear

            I could probably get you a discount Irish.

          • she’s painting on top of the print, too.

        • CanadaBear

          Not really. The only thing she mentioned was lighting. It’s all about the lighting.

        • DaMurph

          Just take my advice on that handkerchief! Hahaha

          • haha. like i said, i can’t make any promises. a broken and defeated man must make due with what the universe gives him =]

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            “It is so, it cannot be otherwise.” – Soren Kierkegaard.

    • EnderWiggin

      Voted. Awesome pic.

      • thanks! your good juju will help us land the next decade’s most fearsome DT in the draft.

        • DaMurph

          good juju abounds on Da blog

    • DaMurph

      Voted!

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Voted. Done. Good luck!

  • Johnathan Wood

    Warning: long post alert

    Here’s my take on the defense as of right now (kind of tying together various conversations I’ve been having below and on other articles):

    On paper, this should be a competent defense, assuming full health and a decent draft that adds in a competent starter at DT and S.

    Three things that worry me:
    1) Depth. Will be an issue at DE, LB, CB in event of injuries (not S or DT, IMO, assuming you add in one more decent guy at each spot in the draft). LB has a lot of guys with experience, but only 2 who have proven they can play, and they’re both starting. CB could be fixed pretty easily by re-signing Bowman.

    2) Age. Specifically, age of their best players. Right now, their best players would be considered Tillman (33), Briggs (33), Jennings (30), and Houston (26). Those are the guys you’re banking on being high-impact performers. Also have three more guys you’re banking on solid contributions from who are old in Ratliff (33 when season starts), Williams (32 when season starts), and Idonije (33). Old guys slow down and get hurt. Their only proven good below-30 defensive player right now is Houston.

    3) Impact players. Kind of touched on this above, but worth fleshing out in more detail. My take is that players are generally grouped into 3 categories: impact players, guys, and bums. Impact players are guys who you build your unit around and opposing teams have to game plan for. Guys are solid players you can plug in around impact players who won’t be great but won’t hurt you (as long as you don’t ask them to do to much). Bums are guys who should only be playing on special teams. Obviously there are spectrums within each level (Megatron and Alshon were both impact players last year, but different levels, while DJ Williams is a stronger solid player than Chris Conte, etc.), but generally these groupings work pretty well IMO.

    Now, my theory is that a good unit needs three impact players with a lot of guys around that and as few bums as possible. Right now I’d say the Bears are banking on Tillman, Briggs, and Houston to be their impact players. Tillman and Briggs are both right at the age where impact players become guys (and/or get hurt and can’t stay on the field). I don’t know if Houston is a high-end guy or an actual impact player. Jennings is capable of being an impact player (did it in 2012), but I don’t know if he’ll be that again. Ratliff has been an impact player in the past, but again age is an issue.

    So the bottom line is that they need at least two impact players in the next two drafts that they can build the defense around. They don’t have those types of guys right now.

    • MB30SD

      seems very doable. Come on Phil, fucking please don’t reach for sheite this draft, just take the silver platter offerings at the first three picks… then you can do your mad scientist bullshit in 4-6.

      • Johnathan Wood

        ideally you hit on 1 impact player + 2-4 guys in the draft every year.

        Problem is that 2009-2011 the only thing close to an impact player the Bears got is Henry Melton, and he’s now gone. Those guys-impact players in their 2nd contract in the middle of their prime-should be the core players on the team now, and there’s NOBODY. Have to supplement in FA (Houston, Bennett, Bushrod, Marshall, etc.).

        Takes time to undo years of bad drafting.

      • Johnathan Wood

        Emery has actually hit pretty well in later rounds so far, IMO.

        2012: Evan Rodriguez rd 4-solid player as a rookie, off-field shit
        Isaiah Frey rd. 6-competent slot CB
        2013: Khaseem Greene-jury still out
        Jordan Mills-competent starting RT from day 1
        Cornelius Washington-jury still out
        Marquess Wilson-will be 3rd WR, so essentially a starter

        So in 6 picks round 4 or later he found 3 guys who were starters by day one of their 2nd season. That’s pretty damn good, IMO. Finding those depth guys late in draft is awesome (as long as you still can find studs early on).

        • CanadaBear

          I’m splitting hairs with you but E-Rod was a bad pick any way you slice it. He had almost no impact for us (partly due to Tice at OC). He came in with questions about his character and he lived down to them. Frey is just a guy at nickel. Not bad production from a 6th rounder. Wilson is not essentially a starter. Even last year with Earl the dropoff from BMarsh and Alshon to Earl was huge. I don’t think anyone would say Earl was essentially a starter last year. I’m really in prove it mode with PE when it comes to drafting D. Hope he kills it this year!

          • gpldan

            e-Rod was a thug, tru ’nuff

          • Johnathan Wood

            I count 12 players as “starters” on both O and D. The standard 11 + slot WR/CB. Those two guys usually end up playing a lot of snaps.

            Earl Bennett played 545 snaps last year. Combine that with the 34 snaps Wilson saw in his place week 17 and you have almost 600 snaps. Tony Fiammetta, the “starting” FB, played 223. The offense as a whole played 1070.

            When you play more than half the snaps, you count as a starter in my book. (Nickelback Isaiah Frey played 515, for what it’s worth)

          • CanadaBear

            I see your point but production-wise the drop off from BMarsh and Alshon to Earl was precipitous. And I really like Earl.

          • Johnathan Wood

            Earl had a drastically different role than those guys. He was strictly an underneath guy. Got relatively few targets, but caught a high percentage of them. His completion percentage and yards per target actually were comparable to Forte’s, which tells you all you need to know about how they used him.

            Wilson will be used differently, I suspect. I would expect that we’ll see a good number of 3 WR sets with Marshall in the slot and Alshon and Wilson outside. Wilson’s not a very strong guy, so seeing him in the slot is a bit of a stretch right now IMO, but we’ll see. Those 3 will be much more interchangeable than the way they used Earl, IMO, since Wilson is built (and runs) pretty similarly to them.

          • CanadaBear

            I watched that video of those 3 working out. Wilson isn’t that skinny on top but the bottom half is definitely skinny.

          • Johnathan Wood

            he’s got the frame to fill out, just needs to commit to it. I really think he’ll be the starter opposite Alshon when Marshall hangs them up in a few years.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Surely Williams will be the slot guy, or Forte in situations …

          • Johnathan Wood

            they’ve moved Marshall around in the past. He works well out of the slot.

            You could be right, that’s just my guess as to what I think happens. We’ll see when the season rolls around.

          • Johnathan Wood

            In regards to Rodriguez, he had solidified himself as the starting FB and they thought enough of him that he was working out with Marshall/Jeffery down in FL full time. He would have been a better version of Fiammetta, IMO, because he was a similarly good blocker who could also run and catch a bit.

            But yeah, that was a gamble on character that Emery lost. Still, he’s done a good job drafting in later rounds so far IMO. I think a big part of that is Emery’s drafting style. No matter where he drafts, he seems to go for physical potential more than anything. That’s a risk worth taking in the later rounds, but can lead to him passing on better football players in early rounds IMO.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Damn, I want four-five impact players out of the next two drafts. Fuckit …5 or 6 for the whole team.

      • Johnathan Wood

        that would be amazing. I’m just saying realistically that’s what they NEED to be able to build a good defense. Consider it a minimum acceptable result.

        Depends on your definition of difference maker, I guess. For me I say it’s a guy you build your offense/defense around. In the last 10 years, the difference makers the Bears have had IMO have only been Urlacher, Briggs, Harris, Melton, Forte, Marshall, Tillman, Jeffery, Brown. Maybe Jennings, but really only that one year.

        So getting 4-5 in a two-draft span would be really incredible (and likely push any team into SB contention… see SEA).

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    even that tool Don Banks has us taking Donald (data, this should please you greatly)

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20140318/2014-nfl-mock-draft-blake-bortles/

    • Johnathan Wood

      saw that this morning and had mixed emotions.

      I have not seen a single mock get Chicago’s 1st round pick right the last 2 years, so the fact that some are saying Donald has me think it’s not happening.

      The pick nobody projects for them that I still have a sneaking suspicion could end up happening is Hageman.

      • MB30SD

        where is he projected to go now data? Late 1st round, or early 2nd?

        I’m hoping that if it’s not donald, it’s pryor. Just not another reach. please no.

        • gpldan

          d00d,

          Hageman is not a reach. He’s legit Rnd 1.

          Although I appreciate data’s argument that drafting DT in Rnd 1 is for sux0rs. Worked for Buffalo and Dareus. That dude abides.

          • MB30SD

            cool. just haven’t seen him mocked, so didn’t know where he was supposed to go.

            Get the game maings. I am HORRIBLE right now. After a year off and a totally different game, I’m getting killed in public matches. 4-10 kills max. it’s brutal… so come join shady and me maings. I need another one of your rants like the last one… last me another year.

          • gpldan

            I have an 11 year old son I’ve spent the last 2 years explaining why we don’t do CoD or Battlefield with. Because at his school, there are all these 5th grade future burnouts whose parents are letting them play CoD all day. And constant CoD play does re-route the neural pathways of kids.

            He is very smart, and I explained to him that I think of it as a kind of advertisement for war, and I will let him play Killzone so he doesn’t feel like he can’t play FPS but the single player is short, and he’s already bugging me if he can play multiplayer.

            And I try and hide the disc, he’s smart enough plus the PS4 puts up a big fucking recently played screen when you boot it up, so no – I can’t do that.

          • MB30SD

            aight. I remember you not wanting your son to play/see you playing. Good reason. I won’t let my kids near it (or anything like it)… ever (until they’re 18 at least).

          • MB30SD

            damn, dude looks like a beast on that tape.

            http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/ra'shede-hageman?id=2543478

            “Classic boom-or-bust prospect.”

            Yikes! Donald please.

            unfortunately, just the kind phil likes

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            i dont trust the NFL prospect ratings this year, go look at Donald’s…they have him as a 4-5th round pick!!!! You lost all credibility with me NFL!

            http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aaron-donald?id=2543485

          • Johnathan Wood

            I actually want them to go DT in round 1. I think that’s the best merging of need and value.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        If Phil really and truly believes that Hageman is his dude, then he should take him, he won’t be there at #51 so he won’t get another chance to do it. Trading back isn’t always possible so he has to trust his scouting. Phil seems to be in love with the measurables (over production/tape), Donald has the measurables and production but Hageman has the physical gifts. I know what Barb has been saying about Phil not taking a DT, but I think he does, it’s the only position that wasn’t really hit in FA and we really don’t have any impact players at the position. Donald can step in day one and provide a pass rushing spark/impact plays.

      • Big Mike

        I don’t think anyone has them taking haha

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Who’s desire and attitude has been under fire ….

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      How in the name of God does anyone think the consensus best DT in the draft will be there at #14. He’s gone by #5-#7. Book it.

      • Johnathan Wood

        He’s NOT the consensus best DT in the draft though. Most people I’ve seen have Jernigan ahead of him for some reason.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Because Donald’s …. too small? Less than ideal to play DT, rather than ‘small’ …

          • Johnathan Wood

            yeah, because people like to overlook off the charts athleticism and college production over the sake of 10 pounds.

            Donald is really only suited to be a 4-3 3-technique though, so that does limit his value some. Maybe teams that utilize a DT like that have him higher on their boards, in general.

  • Trac

    I saw where that bum Hester wants 4 Mil. Good luck with that.

    • yup. i like how, as proof of his “still got it”ness,” the article says that hester led the league in return yards last year. what it failed to mention was that the bears were giving up points on 80% of the opponents’ drives so hester was getting 5-10 returns a game.

      • Johnathan Wood

        And he took too many out of the end zone when other guys would take a knee.

        He was not the best return man in the NFL by any stretch last year but by most measures was somewhere in the top 10. Worth a veteran minimum contract somewhere, IMO, but that’s about it.

  • SC Dave

    That stuff below the line looks purty gud, Jefe

  • Johnathan Wood

    So I saw a rumor on Twitter today (one of the lesser-known writers who claims to have a “source”) that Cornelius Washington has been working really damn hard on footwork and hand placement, and the team is quietly confident he’ll earn a spot as a reserve pass-rushing specialist this year.

    I really want to believe this rumor, and wish it came from somebody more reliable. If it happens that would be incredible.

    He and Onobun are two complete wild cards on this roster. They both have the tools to be incredible studs but have never put it together. I’m not counting on anything from either of them, but a contribution from one would be super nice and plug a roster hole.

    • NewBearInTown

      Cornelius would be a great example of a late round pick taking a year to get pro-ready and then stepping up to the plate.

      If Washington at DE and Williams at WR both turn into solid contributors this year, then the 2013 draft will have been a smashing success. The only disappointment would be Bostic, but even he wasn’t a total bust.

      • Johnathan Wood

        Wilson, not Williams.

        And for all we know Bostic and/or Greene step up eventually too. Both those guys were supposed to be STs as rookies. That’s why two veteran starters were brought in on one year deals.

        IMO, Bostic supposed to start this year; Greene next year in place of Briggs. Also I am fairly certain Jordan Mills was not supposed to start until this year, but he beat out Webb in camp and earned the job a year early. I expect Mills to make a big jump this year (Long too) as Kromer works his voodoo magic.

        • NewBearInTown

          I’m just going to call him Q. That’s what the other WRs call him in interviews.

  • Shady

    Hawkce.

  • NewBearInTown

    Interesting scenario for the blog to discuss. The draft starts like this:

    Blake Bortles, QB
    Johnny Manziel, QB (let’s say this is Tampa Bay)
    Greg Robinson OT
    Khalil Mack, OLB (shocker, Cleveland outsmarts itself and Clowney starts to slide)
    Sammy Watkins, WR
    Teddy Bridgewater, QB
    Taylor Lewan, OT (now everyone is very surprised to see Clowney on the board, but the Rams need a tackle)
    Brandon Carr, QB (Minny reaches on a QB and passes on Clowney again)

    So its #9, the Bills are up. They don’t need a QB, they don’t need a DE. They call the Bears asking if we’re interesting in trading up. Somebody in the teens will trade up to this spot to get Clowney, what are we offering?

    What are we willing to offer to trade up for Clowney?

    • tobijohn

      Isn’t there a generally accepted formula for moving up and giving up pick/s or moving down and receiving them?

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        There is, but market forces will dictate the actual return especially when there is more than one bidder for a hot commodity. According to the chart we would need to give a 3 and 4 (and we still come out a bit ahead), not doing that, we need the depth more than just one guy. I would do it for just the 4th rounder but they would cuss me out then hang up.

      • NewBearInTown

        The formula (based on a chart by Jimmy Johnson) is a bit outdated with the rookie salary cap. The fact that high first rounders don’t cost what they used to makes those picks much more valuable. Plus this scenario has us in a bidding competition with a couple of other teams.
        So what’s your best offer?

        • tobijohn

          Sorry, it’s tempting but a 3 and 4 (or even higher picks if what you say about the old formula being dated) is a little rich for my blood. As others have pointed out, it’s a deep draft class this year. We might end up with some good players with our 3 and 4…

        • MB30SD

          I wouldn’t pay a 3 and a 4 for clowney… don’t trust that dude

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Fuck that. It really does look like we can draft one of the very top DT/DEs though – whcih leaves the option of trading down, if the BEars think their top DT/DEs are not the same as everyone else’s.

      Or it means you have a serious shot at drafting the best safety or CB and still get to draft my man Tuitt in round 2 .

      Looking at the mock above, maybe Donald/Clowney are gone by #14, but that means positive things for whoever we do draft.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        As history has shown with the NFL draft (or any pro drafts for that matter), there’s always 1 to 3 teams in the top 12 draft order that just makes that absolute dumb-fuck draft pick for no reason whatsoever. And I bet it will happen again and the whole mock draft is going to look like dog shit after the first four picks.

        I cannot imagine the drawing board in the draft room of pro sports team when that shit happens. They must have to draw out like not just dozens, but hundreds of scenarios if a certain pick is made. Damn, hurts my head to think about that

  • NewBearInTown

    So I’m surprised at the lukewarm response. So is there a player in this year’s draft that y’all would be willing to trade up for in the first? And if so, how much would you be willing to trade?
    Seems to me that if I’m Emery, and I am satisfied that Clowney is the real deal and will not have effort issues. I would give our first, third and fifth to get him. Though I’d prefer to trade our first and third and exchange our fourth for a lower pick so we still had more people coming in.

    • Johnathan Wood

      they have too many needs to justify trading up, IMO. Especially in a draft that’s supposed to be the deepest in a long time.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        It’s not deep for safeties!

        • Johnathan Wood

          no safety is worth trading up for, much less drafting at 14, IMO

    • MB30SD

      for me, how do you positively answer the question about effort? everything points to the fact that he’s not the team captain type. no way would I give up that much for him. If we can possibly even trade back and still get a hagman or jernigan… how do you justify the cost.

      like everything in life, it’s all about the downside risk right?

      • NewBearInTown

        That’s such an Angelo thing to say…

        • MB30SD

          how dare you!

          Don’t like players like clowney. Too much risk. Would rather take a risk on a donald, who’s smaller than I’d want, but has everything else to make him a super star in the NFL.

          As GP once famously said, if you rearrange the letters in Clowney’s name it spells Jamarcus Russel.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I don’t like Clowney-type players either. I’m a die-hard Michigan fan, and I think it’s hilarious that most people STILL can only remember one “famous” hit that he did against Michigan the other year. The funnier part though? Is that people always seem to think that Clowney took out Denard Robinson, but he really took down the RB when he was left completely untouched by the OL on that play.

            So……..what else do people have to say about him? His attitude and work ethic was terrible this year and they still try to rub that hit to me from the OTHER year. The Bears don’t need him, and I don’t see Emery or Trestman would want to deal with a egomaniac like him.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            “…who’s smaller than I’d want, but …..”

            So if he’s too small to be a 3T, you do what? Put a Six footer at DE?

    • johnnywad

      The Bears have too many needs to give up additional picks this year. Another couple of solid drafts and then Phil can start grabbing guys like that IMHO.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      I don’t think that guy exists. If somebody could guarantee me that Tuitt would be available in the mid-low twenties, I’d trade down and pick him. Not up. Not this draft. No Keuchly,no Suh.

  • EnderWiggin
    • burntorangenavyblue

      “Victim”? Dang, wish I could be a millionaire football player too then! I’d love be to victimized in that aspect for not performing at my job, which is playing a sports game.

      Although Moon is one of the team’s closest confident reporter, he should not really be writing a story like this. He should know that these players agree to their contracts and that getting cut is part of that. Moon better be careful w/ the Bears locker room and admin because of this article…..

  • NewBearInTown

    Okay, one more before bed. We draft your favorite cornerback in round 1 or 2. Say its Justin Gilbert and he’s as good as advertised.
    What does the starting D look like? With great corners and weak linebackers, are we running a nickel package 75% of the time? Are we playing single high safety with three corners? Or does somebody ride pine? Who would that be? And who would be the nickel?
    Crazy as it sounds, I think the nickel is Peanut.

    • MB30SD

      interesting… I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      If the top CB falls to you, can you pass him up? Peanut missed half of last season.

      A top DB, with Tuitt somehow there in the second and that’s my wet dream.

    • CanadaBear

      Not sure about that. Peanut has always had trouble with the small, quick, shifty guys like Steve Smith. He excels with the big guys, esp outside the numbers.

      • NewBearInTown

        I thought more about it and started leaning toward Jennings playing nickel. Like you said, Peanut is best against tall outside guys. Jennings was always the one to play the smaller, faster corners.
        My reason for putting Peanut in the middle is that if you play nickel against a base offense (2 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE), you’re basically lining your nickel up to play the TE. That would be a good fit for Peanut’s skill set.

        • Johnathan Wood

          I believe in the past the backup plan was to slide Jennings in to nickel and bring in Bowman outside. Could be wrong on that though.

  • MB30SD

    hey irish. I still love you maings.

    Look, as with canada… I will happily eat my words very publicly here if I’m wrong. I sincerely hope I’m right about phil’s draft in a month, and sincerely wrong about shea at OLB. I think I’m right on both, but who the fuck knows man. The more I know, the less I know.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Just realized I posted this halfway up the thread.

      He’s Brian Urlacher in the sense that he can switch positions, not that he’ll be a HOFer, no. As LBs I don’t think they will ever be equivalent. As players I think Shea can emulate Lac’s switch, just from different parts of the field.

      The evidence :

      Joe Thomas is an OT, played TE in college. Jeff Hostetler was a linebacker in HS, moved to HB his senior year, moved to QB in college.

      Charles Woodson was a running back in HS.

      Jason Taylor went from LB in college to DE in the NFL.

      Warren Sapp was a linebacker, tight end and punter in HS.

      Otto Graham – one of the greatest QBs of all time – played Defensive Back and Professional Basketball. How does that fit into your rigid scheme of can’t-play-two-positions? Bo Jackson! BOOM!

      Dave Casper – one of the best ever TEs in the NFL … OT in college.

      Tony Gonzalez, TE? LB in college. Hines Ward – HB and QB in college.

      From Bleacher report :

      Herb Adderley: HOF NFL CB (Green Bay Packers, 1961-1969; Dallas Cowboys 1970-1972), played RB for Michigan State in college.

      Marcus Allen: HOF NFL RB (Los Angeles Raiders, 1982-1992; Kansas City Chiefs, 1993-1997) and HOF USC RB in college, played S and QB in high school.

      Dallas Clark: NFL TE (Indianapolis Colts, 2003-present), played LB at Iowa in college, before switching to TE.

      Nick Collins: NFL S (Green Bay Packers, 2005-present) played LB at Bethuine-Cookman in college, before switching to S. In high school, he was a DB, QB, and RB.

      Patrick Crayton: NFL WR (Dallas Cowboys, 2004-present), played WR for his three years of college at Northwestern Oklahoma State, before switching to QB for his senior year.

      Antonio Gates: NFL TE (San Diego Chargers, 2003-present), played LB at Michigan State in college, before transferring to Kent State and switching to TE.

      Desmond Howard: NFL WR/KR/PR (Washington Redskins, 1992-1994; Jacksonville Jaguars, 1995; Green bay Packers, 1996,1999; Oakland Raiders, 1997-1998; Detroit Lions, 2000-20001) was a Heisman winning return man and WR at Michigan in college. In high school he played RB, DB, and KR/PR.

      Leonard Little: NFL DE: (St. Louis Rams 1998-present) played DE at Coffeyville Community College, and then transferred to Tennessee as a DE, before switching to LB. In high school, he played LB and WR.

      Steve Smith: NFL WR (Carolina Panthers, 2001-present) and WR at Santa Monica College, and later Utah in college, played RB and DB in high school.

      Lawrence Taylor: HOF NFL LB (New York Giants, 1981-1993), was originally recruited to play college football for North Carolina as a DL, before switching to LB.

      Andre Tippett: HOF NFL LB (New England Patriots, 1982-1993), played DE at Iowa in college.
      Brian Urlacher: NFL LB (Chicago Bears, 2000-present), played LB and S at New Mexico in college, as well as playing a mix of the two called a “Lobo-Back”, in addition to WR and KR/PR.

      Now, you’re telling us that Shea CANNOT play OLB or Mike?

      We’ll see. You’re probably right, but we’ll see. I’ll bet a chocolate dollar he can.

      • gpldan

        That’s a lot of examples you got there.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Will it be enough though ?

          • MB30SD

            Great work maing. Here’s my thing… I don’t think he’s a good enough football player to make the move.

            Like you said, neither of us knows and I hope you’re right not me. I will very happily post a big long sloppy blow job ‘you were right, I was wrong’ to you if he proves me wrong.

  • CanadaBear
  • Drroy

    Front four missing Stephen Paea. I agree he’s been very underwhelming, but with that core strength would like to believe he can at least be a productive, run-stopping part of the DL rotation. I understand turf toe is alot more disabling for a d-lineman (no push-off) than one might think. Thoughts?

    • Johnathan Wood

      Turf toe should be gone by next year. He projects as Ratliff’s backup right now. Much better DT depth then, former starter coming in as a reserve.

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