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Kromer, Cutler, Forte Disassociate Themselves From Marc Trestman with Biting Criticism

| December 1st, 2014

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One guy is called the offensive coordinator. Another guys holds the play sheet. The latter, head coach Marc Trestman, faced a firing squad after practice Monday afternoon. From the Twitter feed of the Tribune’s Rich Campbell:

Kromer on why Bears didn’t run down only 10 pts coming out of halftime: That’s a good point. I think that will happen in the future.

Cutler on running game: “Giving the illusion that you’re going to run the ball, it definitely helps.”

Forte on running the ball: “Just because you’re (defense is) ranked in the top doesn’t mean you don’t try it.”

What does it mean? A great deal.

Kromer’s comments were delivered with an almost dismissive smugness. Kromer may hold the title of the offensive coordinator but one can’t help but think this comment is an attempt to disassociate himself from Trestman and perhaps throw his own hat into the ring as the possible future leader of this offense.

Cutler’s comment is a blatant slap of the head coach’s face. The Bears were being openly mocked across the league¬† on Twitter for continuing to run play action passes without even attempting to run the ball. The Lions showed the run no respect and sat their entire defense in coverage. There’s not a quarterback in the league who can have success in that scenario.

Forte’s comments reflect what I believed watching the game: the Bears coached scared. Just because a team is ranked as the best rush defense in the sport doesn’t mean you completely abandon the run. Trestman’s approach reminded me of Rodgers’ performance in Week One against Seattle and Sherman – a performance he and McCarthy regretted immediately after the game. Forte is a tough player. This was a weak game plan.

This may not be a mutiny but it’s pretty damn close. Once the quarterback and running back have lost faith in the play caller how long does that take to permeate the remainder of the huddle? Has it already?

I’ve yet to be convinced the Bears will move on from Marc Trestman at season’s end. But I’m getting mighty close.

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  • Viva

    Why wait?

    • SC Dave

      Because fans are always too impatient.

  • BerwynBomber

    Jay tossing another coach under the bus. Shocking.

    • SC Dave

      Exactamundo!!

    • DaBearsBlog

      Who are these coaches Jay has thrown under the bus? You referring to MArtz and Tice – two people who seemed hell bent on getting him killed – and will never be coordinators in the league again?

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, that makes three. When will you admit a pattern? A half-dozen?

        • DaBearsBlog

          When the Bears hire a good offensive coordinator. The man’s own OC is killing his play-calling.

          • BerwynBomber

            Rats on a ship, Blogfather.

          • DaBearsBlog

            Also find me quotes where publicly bad mouthed Martz, Tice, anyone.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m not here to conduct Google searches for you. Yesterday I had go out and get you Andrew Luck stats because of your ALuck/JCutler comparisons. If you think Cutty had Martz’s or Tice’s back, so be it.

          • DaBearsBlog

            So state something, don’t back it up and give a lame excuse why you don’t back it up. Got it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Right. I’ll cull thru every presser Jay Cutler had three or four years ago (even if such things would be available in the first place). Gimme a break. Again, if you think he had Martz’s and Tice’s back, so be it. We’ll agree to disagree.

          • DaBearsBlog

            Never said he did. But not having his back and throwing him under the bus are very different things. Throwing him under the bus publicly is pretty damn rare.

          • BearDown100393

            Jay Cutler Post Game Press Conferences – 2014 Season now on BluRay. Available at ChicagoBears dot com!

          • SC Dave

            You mean like you did before he posted Luck’s numbers?

          • TheBigCheesy

            Happy to oblige…

          • DaBearsBlog

            That’s not criticizing a coach to the media. Peyton Manning once cursed off Tony Dungy. Tom Brady and Bill O’Brien almost came to blows. Rodgers and McCarthy used to go at it on the sideline often. What happened today was calculated.

          • TheBigCheesy

            I mostly agree with you. However, i thought it was a great trolling opportunity to recall that video from the archives.

          • Peanut FTW

            Rberger and the new OC weren’t buddies in the beginning either.

          • SC Dave

            And that OC is whom?

          • DaBearsBlog

            There are many. But Lovie Smith didn’t know any of them.

          • SC Dave

            The one killing po widdow Jway?

    • jnevill12

      Jay has never tossed a coach under the bus but you wouldn’t know that since the media controls you completely.

      • SC Dave

        lol… thumbs up to your own post.

        -3,214 blog points. You’re in a deep hole.

        • jnevill12

          Oh my, what should I do?!? The world is coming to an end

  • GPLDAN

    There is no possible way that Kromer will be promoted to take over the Bears if they jettison the Cryptkeeper.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Wouldn’t be as HC. But his taking over the offense would eliminate the system change.

      • SC Dave

        Kromer *is* the OC. Iff he cannot assert himself to run it, then fire him as a no-op

      • GPLDAN

        Trestman’s ego isn’t going to allow him to give up playcalling.

        Even though there is now a sizable sample size to show that he sucks at it.

        • TheBigCheesy

          If trestman can’t call plays, what CAN he do? I mean, that was his thing right? earlier in the season when they started struggling, everyone was saying “well he’s a great playcaller but..” and “he’d make a great OC, but not a head coach”

          • SC Dave

            And mayne they were right. Kromer is OC now, which TrestHaters seems to never acknowledge. Biggest offemse changes from last season are Kromers promotion, jays contract, and (not least) injuries.

            The torch and pitchfork mob mentality is so simplistic.

          • DaBearsBlog

            Kromer was OC last year.

          • SC Dave

            Kromer was OL coach and assistant OC last year. One would assume the difference between assistant and actual is more authority to make calls.

            But hell, what do I know. I’ve never been an NFL coach, unlike, evidently, others on this blog.

          • Sinclair Phos

            No he wasn’t
            sweet feathery jesus man

          • Peanut FTW

            I think Trestman can create plays. He can help a QB understand what to do within a play. I don’t think he is very good in the moment. He needs an actual HC to call the play that he made that works best in the situation on the field.

          • SC Dave

            Maybe that’s what it is. Seems about right to me.

          • GPLDAN

            Trestman can “build the man”.

          • TheBigCheesy

            i think it’s actually “grow the man,” but you’re point is well taken.

          • GPLDAN

            that’s so cute, like a little girl watering a flower.

          • SC Dave

            Actually, it could be a tagline for a skin flick. Or an enhancement “device” .

            Hmm… Cheesy, I’ve never asked you much, but being from Wisconsin perhaps you could enlighten us about the latter? They must be selling that stuff *somewhere*….

      • Peanut FTW

        I wouldn’t like this much either as you would be saddling the new HC with an OC much like Nessman was saddled with Tucker.
        I think you either start from scratch, which I doubt they do with so much of the O roster set or you blame Tucker and let Nessman pick his DC like most HCs get to do from the start.

        • SC Dave

          I think Cutler and Trestman need to flourish or fail together.

          Fire Trestman, and we get Cutler for at least two extra years. *shudder* I can hear Cheesy laughing now.

          • TheBigCheesy

            I’m not from WI

  • GPLDAN

    How do you feel about the Colts if they pick up Ray Rice for their playoff run?

    • SC Dave

      OJ was acquitted in a court too.

      But I agree with you because I believe in the rule of law.

    • johnnywad

      I wouldn’t. The guy is free to live his life, as you said. That does not mean he should get to go back to the one he had before he punched his wife in the face on camera. I completely understand your point about the legalities. I just would never be able to cheer for the guy or the people that hire him. I feel the same way about Adrian Peterson. If the Bears signed either of them, I’m not sure what I would do, but I would have a very hard time rooting for the team.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agreed. I feel the same about Peterson. He too should be re-instated immediately. Legislating morality outside a courtroom or one’s home often leads to a very slippery slope.

      • johnnywad

        You don’t get it. A team NOT hiring Ray Rice isn’t legislating anything. They’re just not willing to take on the public opinion over hiring the guy. These aren’t government jobs they’re failing to provide him equal opportunity to. They’re very special, lucrative positions within privately held companies. If you do something your company finds morally reprehensible, can’t you, shouldn’t you, be fired for it? Even if you aren’t convicted of a crime? You know, companies now have staff devoted to scanning social media as a tool to determine whether or not to hire people based on the content they find there? How is this different?

        • BerwynBomber

          Actually I do get it. So spare me your condescension. I wasn’t talking about other teams not signing him. I was talking about whether they should both be re-instated by the league. Your corporate example isn’t accurate in regard to reinstatement. A more accurate example is if, not reinstated, a free man not being allowed to seek employment again in his chosen profession. It has nothing to do with whether a team hires him. It is about the ability to merely apply for the job.

          • johnnywad

            Ray Rice was reinstated. As I’ve said, I whole heartedly agree that he is a free man to seek employment in whatever field he chooses. The law, and the league, have spoken.
            Sorry for the condescension. I’m actually interested in this debate and don’t want to rub you the wrong way as you seem to have well spoken, informed opinions. So let’s talk it through. I’ll be more civil.

            Dan’s question is, “Would you hire him?” That’s a far different matter. The answer is “No.”.

            His freedom to seek employment has nothing to do with the reality of whether he gets the job he wants or not. The guy is bad for business. So why hire him? Even the Minnesota Vikings get this and they have no trouble employing generally bad people.

            We aren’t debating the same issue. ” Free to apply” and “Good candidate” are not the same thing.

            So let’s say you run a day care. One of your employees is found to be in possession of child pornography. He subsequently cops a plea in order to bring in the people that generated the child pornography in the first place. He’s now a free man in the eyes of the law. Do you give him his job back? This is a very extreme example, but its the same question.

          • BerwynBomber

            No problem, JWad, I enjoy debating you too.

            Yes, I was only addressing re-instatement. Not whether a team should be forced to hire Rice or Peterson, if the Vikings cut ties with the latter. It is obviously a team’s right to say “No, you’re bad for business. Seek employment elsewhere.”
            So yes, I get that. You and I disagree whether a team should say that but I get their right to say it. But the whole Goodell suspensions have run their course as far as I am concerned.

            Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens in the Peterson appeal. The league may have a case with him as they did not with Rice as Rice’s was obviously a case of double jeopardy in regard to the league rules.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Legislating morality? Businesses aren’t legislating anything.

        Plus, switching your 4 year-old until he bleeds, or punching your fiancee unconscious are not matters of “morality” that can be waved away. They’re criminal acts that we as a society condemn (or should, according to our stated principles).

        • BerwynBomber

          Goodell isn’t legislating? I think a few million people would disagree with you.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Legislating is passing laws. Goodell is enforcing the rules of the league (as he sees them) and the wishes of the owners (as he sees them).

          • Sactowns#1

            Dear Lord! Do you remember when we used to jump on newbies until they proved they could make cogent arguments and have fully functioning frontal lobes?
            Please don’t feed.

    • Doc Hamstring

      He wasn’t acquitted. He was convicted and diverted into a treatment program. Granted, it was a misdemeanor, but he was still convicted.

      His ban was overturned by an arbitrator–both parties have agreed to binding arbitration. But that’s not the same as a US court.

      That said, yeah, he paid his price to society. But just because he did the time doesn’t mean we should forget the crime.

  • Peanut FTW

    I didn’t have an issue with what they did on the first series. I get it, you prove that you can move the ball with the screens and quick passes; get some rhythm. But after that you need to run the damn ball.

  • Peanut FTW

    I would also point out, that if we had run the ball 30 times with no success and lost by the same score. People would be all over Nessman’s ass about playing right into Detroit’s strength and why didn’t he pass it more knowing what a great run D they had. It is the nature of the beast and the benefit of hindsight.

    • SC Dave

      But they’re ALL smarter than the coaches, right?

      • DaBearsBlog

        Issue wasn’t just not running the ball. It was not attempting to run and then operating in a play action based passing game. It was a jumbled mess.

        • Peanut FTW

          As bad as it was offensively, we did pin Detroit at their own 5, down 24-17. We would have been in decent shape if the D holds there. But once they allowed them to shove it down our throats and take the 2 possession lead, I knew we were done. Our D either gets a turnover or lets them score… jeezus

        • SC Dave

          It was bizarre for sure Jeff. I kept wondering if there would be some point at which they’d make it look like play-action again, and actually give the ball to Forte. Might actually have worked… well, maybe not.

  • BerwynBomber

    The only words I would value are Forte’s. Cutty and Kromer are accomplices to the crime. They’re just trying to plea-bargain their own hides at this point.

    Btw, why does the jettison Tresty and promote Kromer suggestion sound like jettison Martz promote Tice all over again?

    • Peanut FTW

      That was awful to watch.

    • BearDown100393

      Agreed. Matt Forte has the only voice among the triumvirate warranting any merit. Good luck to Kromer, I’m sure he’s a huge prospect waiting to be plucked from the Trestman tree by other NFL teams. As for Jay, well now exactly what is his idea for an ideal head coach and/or offensive coordinator?

  • GPLDAN

    I think a more realistic Jeff thread is:

    “if we got Bill Bellicheat tomorrow, and Emery and Trestman were sent to the taco truck – how many years would it take to make this team respectable again? To be a playoff contender?”

    To me, this team has *some* decent draft picks, more than the Glitchy regime – but it’s still a 2-3 year process to recover from the damage Cryptkeeper and Navy Boy did here.

  • Cormonster

    I can’t stand this Bears team, especially the coach. Trestman pissed me off big time when he quit in the Green Bay game with 5 minutes left. He lost me for good after the Miami game. The games since have only reinforced that belief. I can’t fathom him being the coach again next year. If he’s still around, I’ll be working a lot more Sundays in the fall, or fishing. I won’t waste my time watching this team with him as coach.

    I have some relatives with season tickets, which they’ve held for many many years. They sold off the last five home games at a loss. Even under Wanny or the bad Jauron years they never did that. Hopefully George has the balls to let Trestman walk. If Emery wants to keep him, dump his ass too. It will cost the Bears a lot more than Trestman’s salary to keep him around next year.

    • GPLDAN

      Except it won’t.

      The new Forbes report is out. Bears revenue is up 18% YoY from last year. They command the highest price in the NFL on the secondary market like Stubhub and the NFL ticket broker service (that’s the reason the NFL partnered with Ticketmaster btw, on this bullshit site:

      http://www.ticketexchangebyticketmaster.com/NFL/default.aspx

      Skyboxes are #5 overall and Bears overall valuation stays flat at $1.7B

      Operating income is down to 57.1M this year due to the big payouts that they made in salary ($160M paid out this year across the org). So if anything, if you are running this business AS a business – you look at this like a finance guy would look at this – and you want to dump bigger salaries of players next year to get income back up because the fan base is strongly inelastic against team performance.

      http://www.forbes.com/teams/chicago-bears/

      The only rational argument that people on the finance side make, is that the Bears are undervalued. This club should be Top 4 in valuation given the strength of the fan base nationally.

      I would also like to see a strong move by fans collectively to move away from a low performing team – but it’s just not happening.

      • Cormonster

        How much do merchandise sales account for total revenue? If Christmas sales of merchandise drop dramatically, do you think the team would take that into consideration?

        • GPLDAN

          The Bears are privately held, so one cannot go to the EDGAR database and pull the Cash Flow Statement that should show that.

          So I don’t know.

          Since the day this article was written 4 years ago:

          http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0913/nfl-values-10-bears-chicago-football-money-midgets-midway.html

          Teddy Ballgame has moved aggressively to pump up valuation moving from 11 to 8 overall. Still, it’s a joke that the Eagles are worth more than the Bears, and a full BILLION less than the Redskins. Because they take the TV money, which dwarfs any merchandise revenue, and they sell some corporate skyboxes. And that’s mostly it. Their deal with the city on the field is so lopsided towards them, it’s mainly the single reason they moved up to #8. They pay shit to be there. Everybody else in Chicago ate that with taxes.

          Diehards like us just do not matter. That Ticketmaster website I linked above? That gives the NFL a taste of RESOLD tickets. And guess what? All goes into a revenue sharing agreement. So the Bears get some of that, too. So sell away.

          The only strong argument to make is that a Super Bowl winning team might push revenue up substantially because they’ve had to hold season ticket and skybox pricing mostly flat for the last few years. Win a Lombardi and they can justify hiking that up more.

          • Cormonster

            The first time I went to the “new” Soldier Field after a year in Champagne I realized the giant “fuck you” message the team sent to the diehards. All the middle class season ticket holders who couldn’t afford seat licenses were shipped to the north endzone, with a total of TWO bathrooms for about 10,000 fans (just a guess-timate). They also got rid of a bunch of tailgaiting parking lots.

            The corporate welfare is disgusting, especially in cities that have so many problems to deal with like schools and safety. I suppose that will never end.

        • DaBearsBlog

          The answer is very little. Since that money is pooled.

      • SC Dave

        Sounds like Connie Mack all over again.

      • SC Dave
  • Sactowns#1

    I posted this on a dead thread so I shall post it here again. ….
    What does everyone think of grandpa pants (Harbaugh) coming to coach the beloved? I feel I’m too close to SF to be objective.

    • EnderWiggin

      Anyone that sat in Ditka’s film room for as long as Harbaugh did would get my vote.

      • SC Dave

        I assume you’re talking about being steadfast under irrational fire (like Bears’ coaches under Chicago media), and not about actually learning something about coaching football.

        • EnderWiggin

          Both! I particularly like DaCoach’s style.

  • SC Dave

    I guess we’ll see what happens in the off-season, but it just occurred to me that many of you would view keeping Trestman much like I viewed taking Cutler as our franchise QB.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Yup. Those kind of comments REALLY make one look forward to this Thursday, don’t they?

  • SC Dave

    The more I think about this, the more it stinks. Any takers Kromer is deliberately sabotaging Trestman in a laughingly misguided effort to take the helm?

    • I don’t really love the idea of Kromer as OC/playcaller either. He did that in NO when Payton was suspended and their O was the worst it’s been in years.

      He’s the best OL coach in the business. That’s all. Give him an OC title with a good offensive playcaller as HC and tell him to coach the OL.

      • SC Dave

        Agreed. Do the Bears make the same mistake as made with Tice? It’s so the same it’s scary.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Aren’t Kromer and Trestman close? Friends?

      I don’t see Kromer trying to throw Trestman under the bus. If anything, this is some sort of smokescreen.

  • And they’re perfectly right to do so. I’ve got numbers coming tomorrow that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt Trestman is ruining the offense with his imbalance.

    • SC Dave

      Trestman, or Kromer? Who is the OC? Who is calling the plays?

      But by all means, bring on the Data!

      • Trestman is calling plays. Kromer is doing much of the game planning, from what I understand, while Trestman spends time in the defensive meeting room helping them come up with shitty game plans.

  • Also, it’s not just about not calling runs. It’s also about where you call runs. I posted stats last week showing that Lions are best in the NFL defending runs off tackle or end, but much closer to average between the tackles.

    Bears ran it only 1x between the tackles.

    • also worth noting here Bears have been better running between the tackles than outside of them, so this played PERFECTLY into their strengths.

      • SC Dave

        Please consider including data on which offense linemen were playing when we ran the ball successfully in the middle, and the rankings against the run of those teams vs. the league.

        • unfortunately, I don’t know how to get that data short of doing a lot of legwork. I’ve thought of that too.

  • Trestman, or Kromer making calls? Only one way to find out. FIRE Trestman, and see if the offense responds.
    If it doesn’t, then obviously it was both, and boot everyone at the end of the year.

    • NewBearInTown

      I have been wondering about this since the press conference. What happens if we fire Trestman and make Kromer interim HC? Let him run the offense for a few weeks and prove he’s worth keeping around?

      • BerwynBomber

        If we are going the interim route it might be of more value to hand the reins to someone not handpicked by Trestman as Kromer was. Kromer also served as interim HC for NO during Bountygate.

  • Rex sounds utterly defeated.
    Gotta say, at least his guys try. He would be the perfect DC.
    Harbaugh HC, Rex DC 2015, Super Bowl, Bitches!

    • Doc Hamstring

      How do you reconcile it with reports that Harbaugh’s family doesn’t want to leave SF, and if they do, he would be a fool to pass up the Michigan job? More money, a lifetime commitment (if he wants it), more control.

      • CanadaBear

        Depends on Hairball’s tolerance for glad handing alumni and athletically talented teenagers.

      • Same way I reconcile simultaneously wanting the Bears to win, but still get a higher draft pick and Trestman fired.

        Copious amounts of booze.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Here’s a question: how much would the Bears be on the hook for if Trestman gets the axe? The McCaskeys did something out-of-character by firing Lovie with time left on his contract–basically, paying him to not coach. I can’t see them admitting defeat and throwing money to the wind twice in a row–not unless there is an epic collapse (i.e., Bears going winless for the rest of the season) that pushes them to do it.

    • wreckinball

      Not sure going winless will be epic enough. Tough schedule except MN will be the excuse.

      Sadly seems like they have accepted being bad

      • GPLDAN

        If losing every game the rest of the way didn’t get Trestman fired I would stop being a Bears fan. I would. I would clean out my closet, throw all my swag away and pick up watching the Chicago Fire and soccer.

        • Peanut FTW

          Speaking of losing the rest. The 76ers have a pretty good shot at going winless in an entire NBA season. They are… real bad.

        • CanadaBear

          Pretty sure once Nessman was gone you’d be back. Nothing against soccer but if you’re a died in the wool NFL fan, soccer just doesn’t cut it. Not to mention, after all these years of being a Bears fan, what’s one more year where they under achieve and suck moose wang. Trust me, I have no hope as long as the PE/Nessman/Cutler trio are in the house but soccer is just not an option for me. I’d rather watch bowling.

  • wreckinball

    Mutiny on the bounty. Rex and the Jets suck but he hasn’t lost the team yet. They still compete

    The toxic mess goes beyond the coaches. Some players also

  • GPLDAN

    Bill Simmons said that Trestman was the worst coach in the NFL?

    Priceless.

    • Peanut FTW

      Is that your neighbor?

      • GPLDAN

        Listening to @BillSimmons & @TheCousinSal podcast. Simmons just called Trestman pound-for-pound the worst coach in the NFL.

        • it’s a fair claim, IMO, though very difficult to prove one way or the other. But if you look at teams’ preseason expectations vs. now, the biggest underachievers are probably CHI, CAR, and TB.

          • Peanut FTW

            Um, I think the Jets and Raiders would be added to that list, I don’t recall what expectations were but I’m sure it was above horrid. IMO Atlanta and NO would be there but I guess when your leading your division that counts as not underachieving.

          • Raiders were expected to be among worst teams in NFL. Jets were always going to be dependent on if Geno could be non-shitty.

          • TheBigCheesy

            New Orleans is the biggest underachiever

          • you could definitely argue that, only they’re still right in their division race and have beaten some decent teams this year. But their defensive dropoff has been baffling.

          • BerwynBomber

            Saints have been maddeningly inconsistent but yeah they have wins over GB and PITT and should have beaten SF a couple/few weeks ago. But yes, if any 5-7 team could be considered mildly dangerous, it is them, mainly because of the Brees factor.

          • TheBigCheesy

            You’re right but that’s just a factor of everyone else in their division massively underachieving. When you think about it, there 5-7 record is even more embarrassing because division games should be freebies for them. Three straight home losses for them? That was maybe the most shocking stretch of games for any team this year.

            Ultimately, the Bears and Saints are both 5-7. The Saints undeniably had greater expectations than the bears.

          • yes, but they also have not been blown out 5x like the Bears have. It’s not just that they’ve lost, it’s how they’ve done so.

          • TheBigCheesy

            fair

  • wreckinball

    Maybe they can all come into the game with their hands up as a show of “solidarity”

  • Viva

    DA HAWCSE

    • Viva

      DA BULLSCE

  • Big Mike

    I’m a party line kind of guy when it comes to the Bears. With that said, enough is enough. Trestman is a terrible head football coach. Let’s dump this shit show and start fresh. No more trying to rebuild on the fly. It’s not like this group was a dominant team. It was a team that flashed 2x in the last 8 seasons. Not exactly a dynasty.

    • CanadaBear

      I’m with ya but just can’t see the McCaskey’s paying out all those coaches. Not to mention, if they shit can the coaching staff, PE’s clock is ticking. As bad as Angelo was at drafting, he at least didn’t completely whiff on the HC. Lovie wasn’t great, slightly above avg (same as his record). Screwing up the coaching decision is way worse than drafting a few stiffs every year. Also, the reigning NFL coach of the year interviewed for the job and wasn’t selected. Talk about over thinking a decision!

      • Big Mike

        I actually think that getting rid of Trestman and keeping Emery, buys emery a new shot clock. The Bears being cheap, is an old myth.

        • CanadaBear

          It’s an old myth when it comes to the players. Not so much with coaches and GM’s.

  • GPLDAN

    There’s an early Floyd script kicking around Hollywood. Wish I could read it.

    I’d go with Liam Hemsworth as young Gilmour:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/02/23A81D5600000578-0-image-5_1417519693633.jpg

    Tom Hughes as Young Waters.

    http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31300000/alec-lightwood-tom-hughes-mortal-instruments-31300856-450-450.jpg

    But I’m stumped on who would really nail Syd.

  • Sactowns#1

    So does Lance retire or does he try and shed 30lbs and come back?

    • BerwynBomber

      Someone will offer him a one year deal.

    • BearDown100393

      IMO he retires. Unlike Urlacher, Briggs will not receive a take it or leave it offer from the Bears. And like Urlacher, Briggs will be ignored by the rest of the NFL.

      • Sactowns#1

        Yeah I think he retires this year. He just hasn’t stayed in shape. Compare that with Peanut, who is very close in age and looks like he could play 2-3 more seasons if he can just stay healthy.

      • Bender McLugh

        Lovie will not ignore Lance, not a chance.

        • BearDown100393

          Lance will be another 30 lb heavier by next training camp. Maybe the Bucs need a caterer and can give Briggs a call.

  • So I promised today I’d give numbers backing up Forte/Cutler/Kromer/everybody’s claim they need to run it more. Here you go.

    http://dabearsbeat.com/2014/12/02/the-bears-need-to-call-more-runs/

    In 22 games with Trestman coaching and Cutler QB, Bears have called runs on 1/3 or more of offensive plays 11 times.

    In those 11 games, they score 23.8 offensive ppg, turn it over 1.5 times per game, have a passer rating of 97.1, and are 8-3.

    In the 11 games when they pass it more than 2/3 of the time, they score 19.1 offensive ppg, turn it over 2.2 times per game, have a passer rating of 86.5, and are 2-9.

    It’s not rocket science. Run the damn ball.

    • madscout12

      From the article…

      “The numbers here are crystal clear. When the Bears run the ball even a third of the time, they score more points, turn it over less, and pass it more effectively. They also win significantly more games, though that may be the product of game situation more than anything else (when you are losing, you have to throw to catch up, while teams with a late lead run to ice the clock).”

      They throw when they are behind. I have no problem with Trestman choosing not to run the ball against the Lions. I have a problem with him pretending to run ball by going play action. You’re not fooling anyone. Go to the shotgun, spread em out, and use creative freaking routes to get guys open. If the short pass is gonna replace the run, fine, but use more short routes than just screens and dump offs. How about a 5 yard crossing route once in a while.

      And I get that we have big trees as WRs, but other teams rotate their guys in and out. Why don’t we ever see young WRs put in the game to run special types of routes that are bigger, slower guys can’t run as well?

      • that’s why I didn’t want to focus too much on win %. But the offense overall is more effective when they run it. More points, fewer turnovers, QB plays better too. Those numbers shouldn’t be influenced as much by game situation.

        • madscout12

          For sure, when you have a turnover prone QB, running it helps. All I’m saying is that regardless, some intelligence has to be injected into the situation. Against Detroit, we didn’t run it…and smartly so because we don’t match-up well on O-Line against their D-Line. But everything else about the execution was flat out stupid.

          Yet, everyone is pissing themselves over “we didn’t run the ball in Detroit and we sucked”. We didn’t suck because we didn’t run the ball. We sucked because we ran screens and playaction…the former that they got wise on and we didn’t adjust and the latter that isn’t effective if you don’t run the ball. We sucked because on our long pass chances, we didn’t execute, either dropping the ball (happened several times early/Bennett), stupid penalties (also happened early/Garza), or missing the throw (Cutler).

          Dallas’s line isn’t Detroit’s. Look for the Bears to run the ball more on Dallas.

          • it’s not that this is a new problem though. In HALF their games with Trestman/Cutler, they’ve run it less than 1/3 of the time. HALF.

          • madscout12

            I disagree…I think it is a new problem. As in, it has happened more in the last half of Trestman’s games…you know…the ones where we’ve lost.

            Year %PassHome %PassAway %PassTotal(NFL Rank)

            2014 60.24% 66.36% 60.12%(2)
            2013 58.70% 61.46% 52.95%(12)

            So the trend is…
            We pass more this year than last year…we’ve lost more this year than last year and we’ve been down more this year than last year.

            We pass more on the road than at home and our records are…Road 6-8
            Home 7-5.

            I think BillW is right…a more apt stat would be what is the record in games where the bears are within a TD of their opponents. Thinking back, all of the games that we’ve slung it because we’re down have come on the road…2013 Detroit, Washington, Philly…2014 9ers, Pats, Packers2, Detroit.

          • ok, I’ve got the numbers now. Game by game this year, highest pass/run ratio to lowest
            DET: 52/7 (7.4:1)
            SF: 40/12 (3.3/1)
            MIA: 39/12 (3.3:1)
            NYJ: 47/16 (2.9:1)
            BUF: 51/18 (2.8:1)
            CAR: 43/19 (2.3/1)
            at GB: 46/21 (2.2/1)
            ATL: 46/23 (2.0/1)
            MIN: 48/26 (1.8:1)
            NE: 39/25 (1.6:1)
            TB: 30/26 (1.2/1)
            vs. GB: 29/28 (1.0:1)
            Of those games, the only times when Chicago was down big before the 4th quarter were at GB and NE, neither of which are among their most pass-happy games. This is a recurring problem, and it’s not from game situation. Their other blowout losses (DET, MIA, vs. GB) were all 2 score games or less until the 4th quarter.

          • madscout12

            This makes me more confused. The best called game was the GB1 game, and interestingly enough, we had perfect balance. But that game CALLED for heavy dose of running the ball early and passing the ball late. I suspect that if we looked at when we ran vs passed, the end of the game featured a pass heavy attack.

            The only thing I’ll say is the only thought I had is that these numbers make me think the O is what I’ve seen in the past several weeks…Trestman throwing shit at a wall and praying something sticks. At least in 2 of the last 3, that has featured a bit of running the ball, or at least, a bit more than his norm.

            The most Maddening one there is MIA…f-ing 3.3/1. That game was a damn dog fight and throwing it that much shows we were unwilling to get into the trenches and fight. Hell, CAR we were up, and we run the ball like that?

            Well done, and you’re right. Running the football more is something that needs to be done to start this offense. And for shits sake, run it outside…make those CBs have to make tackles and look over their shoulder. Maybe that will open up some WR routes and Jay won’t have to throw to covered guys every play.

        • BillW

          Hey JWood – have to chime in quickly here. Would be interesting – though probably a lot of work – to see the numbers when the score is say within 8 points (one TD.) Otherwise you get trapped in cause/effect as madscout points out.

          • BillW

            And reading the quote more carefully, you point it out yourself.

          • BillW

            One last one – to paraphrase you: it’s not rocket science; don’t be predictable!

          • yeah, I’d love to do that. One of the other writers for my site is doing a piece next week looking only at 1st half run splits, which should help relieve some the of the situational bias. Apparently this is a longstanding concern with Trestman.

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      it’s just not only run the ball, it’s to HAVE balls, and to go out to compete.

    • Trac

      I don’t think.that tells the story. No way to establish the run when you’re being blown out. This team can’t hang with high powered offenses. Defense needs to improve.

      • Peanut FTW

        This. If the score is lopsided by half time as it has been in probably 4 of those 11 games where they didn’t run. It makes it much harder to stay committed to a running game. Obviously, Thursday was an anomaly and the run was abandoned off the bus.

        • My original stats are back at home, but the lopsided games have been PHI last year, GB 2nd time this year, NE this year. Those are the only 3 where they’ve been down by 3 scores at half.

          And I know for a fact the NE game was one that didn’t go above the 2/1 ratio. Pretty sure PHI did. Not sure about GB 2nd time; think it did.

          A 2 score game in the 3rd quarter is not an excuse to abandon the run. The bottom line is just that they don’t call enough running plays.

          • Peanut FTW

            Point being, any game where there is a multiple possession difference.. the team with the advantage will run 80% of plays and the losing team will throw 90% of the time. So it creates a chicken and egg argument, did the team that ran the most win because of all the runs or were they able to run because they were winning.

          • ok, remembered NFL Gamebooks give first half only stats, so I can easily re-do this looking at 1st half only, which should remove most of the situational bias. I’ll do that in the next few weeks when I can find time.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    The story here is the personnel going after Trestman. This is pathetic and Emery is responsible for this nonsense. He should never allow such a scenario. It’s the reason I thought he should have cut Briggs. A remainder of who’s in charge and painting himself as the bad guy.

    That being said, calling for runs against the Lions is stupid. I would despise a HC that calls plays he knows would end up with the Offense losing yards. The Lions lead the NFL in negative plays by the opposing Offense.

    5 day earlier the Lions D stopped the run while playing nickel against the Patriots 2TE- 2WR-1RB sets.
    The Patriots ended up throwing 55 times.. in a blowout… at home.
    I would fault Trestman if he thought he could get better results with his weak run game, on the road. You can fault him only for the genesis of his offense… he regards the run game as an after thought, the same as the defense.

    But not for the decision to pass, pass, pass against a Defense that would have stopped his run game without any doubts. This is overkill.

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