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Happy New Year From DaBearsBlog!

| January 1st, 2014

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The 2013 calendar year brought many glad tidings for the Chicago Bears. A new coach. A new offensive line. The first great Bears offense of the modern era. Now Phil Emery and the organization embark upon their most important off-season in many a moon as they attempt to rebuild the defense into a competitive unit for 2014.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    Happy new year Bear fans.

    • beninnorcal

      You as well, sir.

  • beninnorcal

    I hope everyone had a fun and safe holiday. How bout them Packers not selling the Niner game out? Were it in Chi it’ve sold out in less than five minutes.

    • TheBigCheesy

      I think the packers would have more difficulty selling out a game against the niners if it were played in Chicago instead of Green Bay.

      • beninnorcal

        Har-dee-har-har, better hope your game isn’t blacked out. Good luck to your boys, you and I both know they’ll need it. Even more luck than was required for that flukey TD in the 1st half last week.

      • beninnorcal

        Why are you still lurking around here anyway?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Oh he’s got a year of material out of that one, Ben. In fact, there is no expiry date on that one. Division champs won at soldier field after their QB got back from the stars on the last bus. A repeated and regular kick in the testicles, up-swinging kicks that strike the sack from below, not vicious, driving kicks, but rather solid WHACKS! … regular intervals .. never-ending ….

          But now it’s our off-season.

          From A- Rod …to J-Rod. Oh yes.

          {Blog: Oh no…}

          • MB30SD

            (btw, SF is the dude who comes in at the end with the gun)

  • Doc Nitty

    That’s going to be a tough road schedule. Damn.

    • SC Dave

      Eff that. Destroy them all!

    • NewBearInTown

      Tough road schedule, but a pretty sweet home schedule.

    • Irish Sweetness

      ‘Sup Doc. If we put the band back together on D and start playin’ some blues … dey iz all just opponents and it matters not their names. We can surpass the ’85 team – perhaps not in their special playoff achievements, allowing only 1 FG and 1 TD – but by being perfect as in 16-0 and taking the Lombardi back to Halas. That’s a goal. Everybody else can fuck off after that. We can sit back forever smoking monte cristos on the back of that.

      Steelers fan : Six superbowls.

      Bears fan: Yeah, but none of em could hold a candle to that 2015 Bears’ team. Perfection my friend.

      Steelers fan : (shifts uncomfortably in his seat)
      I guess ….

      • Irish Sweetness

        And I think that’s some of MB’s passion comes from, which can be interpreted as anger, but it’s just that some of us seek perfection because I think it’s part of human nature, or at least some people’s. At the same time, once it appears that your team is not ‘on’ this year, I actually feel relieved and start enjoying the games.

        I’d log in after some painful loss, but an enthralling game, and see some real anger on here. Maybe alcohol-fuelled in fairness, but I was honestly enjoying those games and expected nothing better if we couldn’t rush the passer or stop the run. We weren’t good enough to go deep into the playoffs so it was all just fun before the inevitable fall. Shit doesn’t happen in the playoffs, and you don’t get there, unless you have something on D. I’d rather tank and see good football nonetheless rather than limp into the playoffs and get the shit kicked out of us. All you’re doing in that scenario is costing yourself higher draft picks. Higher draft picks allow you to trade down and still get the players you want. Busted playoff appearances .. .who cares?

        • BerwynBomber

          I get you BUT a) there are some bragging rights associated in winning the division, b) beating the Cheese the last week of the season to do it, and c) avoiding a game-winning TD that is going to live in rivalry instant replay infamy on our side. That said, yeah I don’t think the Bears would have gotten past R1 vs. SF nor do I think the Cheese will either. So I get your larger point but I have never completely bought into the “Win the SB or the season is a failure” except for the teams with the highest probability to do so — Denver would be an example of that this year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Oh it’s a totally individual thing, some fans taking winning (the manner of) and losing in different ways. You could have close to a perfect season and people would find something to bitch about. Some years you think you might have a shot at the SB, so it’s all painful up until the point where you know you’re not going to do it – that point can come early or halfway through the season.

            It was wonderful watching McCown play football, much more fluent and less face-palming than watching Jay put a bullet in the chamber and playing the roulette Ruski-style. It’s just a shame that he’ll be on the bench and the other guy will be playing. And if they don’t sign Josh so that they can sign Jay then fuck that. As a duo, with the Beastly brothers, Earl, JA, Wilson, and Tolliver still on the PS …. that’s a scary roster with some room for injury.

            When most teams lose their starting QB, that’s it. We get better.

        • MB30SD

          indeed my good man. indeed.

          That said, I did milk the conte thing on purpose. Time to put it away… I don’t want to think about it every again if I can help it.

          • bearsfantillend

            must fight urge to praise Conte and troll MB30SD.

          • CanadaBear

            You, milk something? Oh come on, who’s going to believe that?

  • Rodgers Dead

    SCDave – non football related suggestion. I remember that you liked Choir music. I just watched a great movie last night called The Chorus. It’s from 2005 and it’s a French Movie with english subtitles. It’s about a school for troubled boys in 1949 France. A new supervisor is hired to come in to be cannon fodder for the inmate like environment. We watched it last night and I think you’d really like it.

    • SC Dave

      Thanks, Johnny. I’ll check Netflix right now… hmmm… does not stream, but I may well order the DVD.

      • Rodgers Dead

        it’s one of my favorites. I don’t know who Adrien Brody’s manager is but he’s not doing a great job. Since the Pianist and Harrison’s Flowers where he kills it i’ve seen him in a Predator movie and a low budget horror movie. WTF?

        • SC Dave

          I’ve never been a follower of actors, but you’re giving me pause to reconsider. For example, I thought Ed Norton was fantastic in American History X, but never bothered to follow him thereafter to see what he’s done.

  • johnnywad

    Just in from playing football in the snow with my kids. Lots of fun.
    Just for the hell of it, I tried punting the football. Its ten degrees here, blowing like hell, snowing, and I’m wearing snow pants and winter boots. I just punted the ball five times and they all went 30 yards. I’m forty, never kicked and I’m not very limber. How can Podlesh receive a paycheck?

    • Irish Sweetness

      He has to do it in front of sixty thousand people Johnny … or just ask any amateur golfer who’s got to tee off first at some club event with everyone watching. There’s a difference.

      • MB30SD

        That shouldn’t be an acceptable excuse Irish. dude gets paid millions to do it and has trained all his life to do it… johnny didn’t (I imagine)

        • Irish Sweetness

          Oh I’m not defending Podlesh. The only punter I would ever defend is Ray Guy for entry into the Hall. Just read this :

          “On August 14, 2011, Guy filed for bankruptcy and was forced to put up his Super Bowl rings for auction. [7] The auction of the rings brought in $96,216, slightly higher than the upper estimate of 90K.[8][9]”

      • SC Dave

        That and you need to add the ten yards from behind the line of scrimmage to make it fair.

  • gpldan

    Clowney ain’t shit. The next LT? Try the next Mark Anderson.

    • Cormonster

      If I did a shot every time they said Clowney in the first half, I would have died from alcohol poisoning 2-3 times over. The announcers act like he’s the only defender on the field.

      That said, good game so far. Fuck em Buckey.

      • SC Dave

        I was happy for Conner Shaw. Hell of a game for his finale.

    • SC Dave

      Actually, he’s pretty good.

  • MB30SD
    • MB30SD

      NTTAWWT btw.

      • RenoBear

        Ha.. I posted that on the game day thread and got blown up for telling him to go and make sweet love to his boyfriend by IBNO… I forgot to add the disclaimer NTTAWWT… I do find it interesting that he felt the need to broach the subject without being asked tho … Here’s the backstory http://socialnewsdaily.com/21941/aaron-rodgers-gay-ex-boyfriend-reportedly-planning-to-out-packers-qb/

        • MB30SD

          my bad reno, didn’t see that.

          I’m not homophobic whatsoever, but rodger’s is such a fucking weasel with everything.he does, like that bet with boys to men.

          Guy is just such a dbag, nay chance to make fun of him I’ll take. especially since last week damn it.

          • RenoBear

            Agree 100%. I actually do CrossFit with a gay guy from my wife’s work and have other GL friends too. And I agree 100000% with your second sentence..Weasel is the perfect word for him… BTW you seen this ESPN crap about Rodgers mission to help kids in the Congo or something? Whatever dude, be sure to get your recognition for charity work…jackass

        • BerwynBomber

          Gay-shaming? Honestly, dudes. What’s next? N-loving aspersions. C’mon. We’re better than this.

          • MB30SD

            Seriously maing, it’s just funny that he’s such a douche about it.

            Let’s not bring the over the top victorian PC bullshit here. Sorry, but I won’t let that happen.

          • BerwynBomber

            Why is he being a douche about it? He’s probably got guys like you and Reno calling him gay and he responded. No big deal. Let it go.

          • MB30SD

            yes, normal guys.

            Jesus fucking christ, what’s going on around here!?!?!?!

          • Cormonster

            I got shamed by a gay guy yesterday on Facebook for using Fudge Packers. I guess homo jokes make me 12 years old.

          • CanadaBear

            Did you roll your eyes when you read it? That’s part of the charm of this place. And god love Jeff for going this route. We say what we want, it’s not censored and after a day or two goes by after a tough loss, it’s all good.

          • Cormonster

            I laughed. The Sally is part of the same PC crowd I went to college with at Madison that was calling me a gay basher last week because I said they were over-reacting to the Duck guy. I occasionally hang out with some gay guys who I’ve known for almost 20 years and have met some of their friends. Fuck, a couple of them are some of the most judgemental people I know. A couple others are right wing Republicans. The judgemental ones act like you can’t joke about them. Just stupid.

          • bearsfantillend

            IMO, all opposing QBs are GAY DBAGS, some more so than others.

  • BerwynBomber

    DBB Blogmaster — In terms of your NYD top ten tweets a couple of nits. #1) Schiano actually lifted a D1 college program in Rutgers from nothing to relevancy, so yes, I would say there is a difference between him and the worthless Lane Kiffin. #3) No Chip Kelly? I’d actually give Kelly the award, but not even having him in your top five seems odd.

    • BerwynBomber

      Oh, and in terms of #4, what about Joe Philbin? Even setting aside the Icognito nonsense, the Fish are a team that had a Shorts-like collapse the last couple of games of the season.

  • NewBearInTown

    Repost from last thread:

    Okay, first of NBIT’s somewhat longwinded thoughts for the off-season.

    Coaching – I don’t anticipate Tucker or Joe D getting fired.

    On Joe D – Jeff points out that the coverage units did improve over the course of the season and the overall stats compared to the league were actually favorable. We’re all a little spoiled with Toub, but Hester had some great runs that wouldn’t have happened without solid blocking and Joe D can’t be blamed for Podlesh kicking a 30 yard punt. We’ll have a new punter this year and Joe D will be given another chance to build more consistency.

    On Tucker – There are a few major things you need from your coordinators. (1) Gameday playcalling; (2) Implementing a system that works given the players on the roster and the competition you face; (3) Development of young talent; (4) Maximizing use of player skills; and (5) Morale.

    (1) Tucker’s gameday playcalling has been stellar in my mind. His blitz packages are responsible for nearly every pressure we generated this season because the front 4 did nothing without help. He did as instructed and came in playing a Cover-2 base, but the lack of any premier talent to fit that base (DT injuries, rookie MLB, below average safety play) forced him to adapt. He did adapt. I can’t fault him at all for the playcalls and that includes bringing the zero blitz against Rodgers on that 4th and 8. It takes guts to call that play and Tucker did it.

    (2) Again, Tucker wasn’t the one to choose the cover-2 base. But he created a pressure system that compensated nicely for lack of natural pass rush. He does get some blame for not finding a way to stop the run for the entire month of November (perhaps he should have set the linebackers up better to support the middle of the line), but I don’t think that’s a reason to fire him after one year.

    (3) Tucker has not done a great job of developing talent. I don’t see McClellin showing significant improvement this year. I don’t see Bostic or Greene taking huge steps as the season progressed. We can’t know what’s happening in the locker room, but I think cutting Tucker would probably be a product of Emery not believing he could trust Tucker to bring along those guys and the 5 or so more rookies we bring in this year.

    (4) Similarly Tucker can be faulted for not maximizing use of player’s skills. Biggest example in my mind? Major Wright (who will not be back) is not a particularly smart safety, but he brings the wood with the best of them. We saw Wright getting fooled by misdirection a lot this season; you would want Tucker to have found a way to compensate for that. On the flip side, Corey Wootton (who also might not be back, but who I’d really like to see us sign) was moved from DE to DT as needed and really got a chance to grow in both spots. You also have to give props to James Anderson and DJ Williams – Williams in particular came from a 3-4 to play middle linebacker in our system and looked genuinely solid. For (2)-(4) I’d like to see Tucker get an off-season with a blank slate, a fresh batch of rookies and a defense that isn’t completely decimated by injuries. When that happens, we’ll see what he can do.

    (5) As to Morale? Tucker had the unenviable position of replacing essentially Lovie Smith. Smith was is a master of that defense, he is the only professional coach a lot of those players had ever had, and they loved him. You want to replace that guy? But the defense never gave up. They looked outmatched, they didn’t stay in their gaps, they made some bonehead plays (the Fumble), but they kept showing up. The Green Bay game is the best example. The defense got beat by Aaron Rodgers; it happens. But they didn’t lie down.

    Biggest reason I think we keep Tucker and Joe D though? Continuity. Look at what’s happening in Cleveland right now after Chud got fired. Players are frustrated, fans are frustrated and you can’t help but feel like the team is going right back to rebuilding mode. The Bears are in a total rebuild of their defense this off-season, but the narrative remains “win now.” Everybody wants to win now, get better, fix some things and get ready for next season and be good enough to support the new offense. The best way to preserve that narrative is to give a vote of confidence to the coaches.

    If it was Tucker’s or Joe D’s third season, some of these issues would look worse and it would be harder to hide behind injuries. After one year, you’ve got to give things a chance to develop.

    • BillW

      Briggs said coverage on last TD was fire zone blitz. essentially betting the house that they get a sack or ball comes out fast. If not they are in trouble. his words. Bad or good call?

      • BerwynBomber

        I liked the call. It was ballsy and damn near worked — Pep, who btw had a strong game, was oh-so-close to getting him. And even setting aside the “who blew coverage?” question, GB had to make two excellent plays in ultimate clutch time — mainly in Kuhn’s diving blitz pick-up and Rodgers 360 and roll-to-the-left move. Both those moves had high degree of difficulty stamped all over them, especially in semi-inclement weather. To me it was a gamble worth taking.

      • SC Dave

        “Good call” or “bad call” relies the lion’s share of the time on “did it work?”

        So in that case, no. But if they get the sack/incomplete it’s a brilliant call.

      • Rodgers Dead

        it was a good call. Pep can’t lose contain and Conte has to know what coverage they are in.
        If we just sit back then Rodgers converts that anyways. Sometimes you just got to say what the fuck.

        • SC Dave

          You make the call, and it works or it doesn’t. Just as a good call can fail on poor execution, so can a poor call succeed on good execution.

    • MB30SD

      excellent NB… time to move on me thinks. look forward not back.

      What you’re saying makes perfect academic sense to me, and giving him a year to do his own thing with his own guys is a very logical path, I just can’t shake the feeling that tucker phoned it in this season and that he’s not our man. Just my gut.

      I think we all expected him to do something/anything with the D as the year progress regardless of the shitty hand he was dealt. Maybe it’s too much to ask of any DC, and maybe I’m being unrealistic but I want to believe that the right man for this job is the guy who can overcome that and do something exciting… or even just reasonable.

      I’m willing to wait to get the whole off season picture before I pass judgement.

      • NewBearInTown

        Wait… the fire zone blitz call on 4th and 8 wasn’t exciting?

        • MB30SD

          yes, it was… for packer fans.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      **MOVED FROM PREVIOUS THREAD**
      As I’ve come to expect from you, that analysis is damned good. Thanks for posting it.

      Question though. Why would Wooten be gone? Didn’t we make that mistake with D. Manning? That’s the puzzle I’ve never been able to solve when it comes to F/A, cap space, etc. We seem to wind up losing players that are high quality at a time when we can’t really afford to see them go.

      • NewBearInTown

        If Wooten finds a team ready to pay him big money (let’s say the Jags offer him 4 years $26M), its tough to match an offer like that and still have the cash to make our own moves. It the salary cap era, you’ve got to be willing to let guys go get overpaid elsewhere.
        Wooten is a great roleplayer on our D, but he isn’t the star pass rusher. If he was, we’d have see it this year.

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          I was kind of using Wooten as an example, along with Manning, to get a better grasp on all of it. It’s always been frustrating to me to watch needed players wind up in new towns.

          Thanks for pointing me to the obvious answer, which I was somehow just not seeing.

  • BerwynBomber

    Does anyone know if the NFL rotates division foes for the final game each season? Would seem we are due to draw the Kittens in W17 next year, right?

  • Irish Sweetness

    Jebus Jefe, do you sit in a bar just tweeting all day ?

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      I think that’s fairly accurate, but can’t say I begrudge him…

  • MB30SD

    watching the rose bowl.

    Know what just pisses me off… when singers butcher the SSB and make it a fucking opera, or a church choir, or a rock ballad, or a R&B song.

    For fuck sake, just sing the damn song the way it’s supposed to be sung.

    Like THIS for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIO9DLe_-rY

    • DaMurph

      That was one of the worst renditions,EVER! Sing it like it’s written, it’s our national anthem, dont butcher it!!!

      • SC Dave

        I like this, until the arrangers made them screw up the end with warbling…

    • BillW

      One acceptable exception in my book : Hendrix

      • MB30SD

        agree. but did he ever open a sporting event?

  • MB30SD

    They interviewed costanzo for this instead of a 22 man starter, I assume because none of those guys would touch this with a 10 foot pole

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000307866/article/some-chicago-bears-havent-adapted-to-marc-trestman

    Also, the last couple paragraphs reign true for me… we’ll see what happens next year when the D becomes more of an emery/trestman unit than a lovie/JA unit. I’m pretty excited to see what happens.

    There’s even a little piece at the bottom for dave. You’re welcome sir.

    • SC Dave

      If you’re referring to the draft needs thing. I wold say:
      DT, DE, SS(or FS), MLB, C

      I sure as hell hope Halas Hall is not banking on Bostic.

      • MB30SD

        no, there was a nested vid with forte’s best moments.

        • SC Dave

          Shit… need to go watch that!

        • A7Xthebest

          I’m going to get killed for this BUT…
          Forte=Way overrated. Everyone talking about what a great back he is…I don’t understand it and I never have.
          Yes he can do everything but he doesn’t do ANYTHING spectacularly.
          Not a hater, I just don’t get why people ride him so hard.

          • BerwynBomber

            Forte is way overrated compared to whom? Yeah, he might not do anything great — though I would argue his receiving threat element is close to great — but doing everything well can be the mark of excellence. But hey, if you’re saying he won’t be legendary like AP probably will, yeah of course not.

          • MB30SD

            this… I was going to say something similar about him being unspectacular on a game/game basis (not a whole lot of huge plays), but if you stop and look back at his stats at the end of the year you go, “damn, where’d all that come from. I don’t remember him being that strong.”

            So I guess I’m in the middle of A7 and dave.

            I think he’s a great back when used properly, unfortunately, I still trest didn’t use him properly. I lost count of the times they ran him right into the middle of the line for no gain or a yard or two. He’s not that guy. Get him in space. Those little pop pitches are my fav… so perfect for forte’s talents.

            Throw to him, pitch to him, get him outside and let him build up some steam and make fluid cuts at full stride … but I would love to never ever see him sent on a dive into the 32/33 gap again, brutal.

          • BerwynBomber

            Good points. Yeah, those little pop pitches were deadly efficient on short yardage situations (though I wonder when teams will start scheming more for that play) and if Forte has one glaring weakness it is, as you say, his inability to be a slam-it-in-to-the-line guy (I am surprised how few guys truly dive anymore). Guess I should say, yeah, he’s no Walter Payton but that doesn’t mean he’s not outstanding.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            I never got the whole run Matt up the middle thing either – at all. It was one of those weird recurring dumb decisions that drove me up the wall.

            Good post man.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s not that guy, exactly. And why not? He’s bigger than Walter was, he’s bigger than Ford, yet both those guys can go through the middle, or have the knack, but Forte gets bogged down and swallowed up. There’s no X factor. Again, no biggie …

          • Irish Sweetness

            Over-rated compared to former Bears backs. The way people talk about him it’s as if he’s superseded the position. “The Bears offense goes through Forte …” is a favorite of the talking heads. The ball goes through the QB, and then maybe the running back. Their names are unimportant.

            People get hung up on stats, but I never saw anything Matt did and went ‘WOW!’. Ever. That’s the litmus test of greatness, not numbers.

          • bearsfantillend

            Which former Bears back has he ever been compared to? Because the only former Bear back that he wouldn’t be better than would be Payton, but know one in their right mind would ever compare him to Sweetness.

            People get hung up on the WOW plays and don’t give credit that a workhorse is great. Forte has had years where he accounted for over a third of the offense, it can be argued that he was the only legitimate offensive threat on the team and still put up the numbers. Reggie Bush has had a lot of WOW plays, i don’t consider him a great running back.

            A little context is also needed. When compared to other running backs currently in the league, he is one of the great backs out there.

          • SC Dave

            How about league rankings?
            Rushing yards: 2nd
            Rushing TDs: tied 6th
            Yards per carry: 9th (5th among RBs)
            Yards from scrimmage: 3rd
            Receptions: 29 (3rd among RBs)
            Overall TDs: tied 8th

            Spectacular don’t matter to me one iota with that production.

            And other than the Philly game, Forte did a tremendous just on pass blocking this season. A huge area of improvement for him this year IMO.

          • A7Xthebest

            It’s exactly what MB said. I look at his end of year stats and go, “Really, where the hell did that come from?”
            Name a memorable game of his this year. His speed is only so-so, he can’t break a tackle to save his LIFE. Hell, I literally watch the guy and feel like I myself could arm tackle him sometimes. His blocking is pretty good yes, but I acknowledged that he could do everything at a standard level at least.

            I don’t understand what people think is so special about him. But then again I’m talking to the guy who blamed Cutler for the Loss on Sunday.

          • SC Dave

            The fact that YOU fail to appreciate what Matt Forte does in no way negates the fact that he does it.

            In the same way that fans’ insistence that Cutler is not to blame does not negate the fact that he has 1 win versus 9 losses against Green Bay.

            In the same way that that fact I don’t hate Conte does not negate that he missed an interception and blew a coverage that contributed mightily to the Bears not making the playoffs.

          • Cormonster

            What running backs are better in your opinion?

          • A7Xthebest

            AP(Obviously) McCoy, Rice, MJD(Healthy) Foster, Gore, Charles, D. Williams, A. morris, and Spiller.

            And Dave, I defended Conte a bit earlier this year and there is no more defending him. The sad thing is, it’s not from a lack of ability, he’s always doing the wrong thing at the exact wrong time.

            However, if you think Cutler arriving just after GB got stacked, the O and D-lines went to shit and the receivers of ’06 were all gone doesn’t correlate to his W/L vs them…then I really don’t know what to tell you.

          • Cormonster

            Five of the guys you named didn’t even rush for 1,000 yards this year.

          • SC Dave

            Per game career rushing, receiving, total yardage are:

            Foster… 85.8, 29.1, 114.9
            Peterson. 98.2, 16.5, 114.7
            Forte…. 73.3, 32.1, 105.4
            McCoy…. 74.0, 28.7, 102.7
            Rice….. 67.2, 33.0, 100.2
            Charles.. 72.8, 24.7, 97.5
            Gore….. 75.5, 21.0, 96.5
            MJD…… 70.8, 25.2, 96.0
            Morris… 90.3, 04.8, 95.1
            Spiller.. 49.4, 17.5, 65.9
            Williams. 59.7, 14.2, 73.9

            On per play stuff, Charles has a big edge on everybody, including AP, so I’ll give you that one. I won’t argue with McCoy either, as he has a pretty good edge there. Foster is on injured reserve with a disc problem, so I will defer comparisons there although the numbers favor him.

            This stuff might surprise some of you. Forte has been quietly building a rather impressive stat book over the past six seasons. Impressive enough to not have to mention those very same lines that Jay Cutler has “enjoyed” over five of those six years.

          • SC Dave

            And because I was curious:
            Payton.. 88.0, 23.9, 111.9

          • A7Xthebest

            I’m really sorry, do we judge guys based on their stats or their metal? I would argue both but if you go by pure Stats Rodgers and Manning are the two greatest QBs of all time. And I wouldn’t put either of them in my top 5.
            Again, I realize my opinion doesn’t matter too much to you Dave, but I’ll never forget that Safety vs the Eagles. Forte got SLAPPED in the knee and fell down like a sack of potatoes. I like him but I think he’s as much a scheme beneficiary as any back in the League. Plus with BM and AJ people would be crazy to put their focus on him. So there’s that going for him.

          • bearsfantillend

            Unfortunately, judging players by anything other than stats is very subjective. People have certain feelings for players whether it be from an interview they gave, or one play that sticks out in their mind. Also if the player in question plays for the team you root for you can’t be subjective at all because you are way too invested in the team to give a good critique.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Otto Graham was in the ‘superbowl’ every year of his 10-year career. Don’t know what his stats were, don’t care. The guy was clearly a winner. How many playoffs and PBs has Manning got? How many rings? And subjectivity? I hated Joe Montana more than any player growing up – I hated the niners way more than the Packers – now I revere him as the best. That’s respect.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Absolutely. I don’t know where Joe Cool is on the all-time yardage and TD list,and I don’t care. Never saw a better QB, present company included.

            Stats and rings don’t do it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Are there ‘great’ RBs out there? I haven’t really watched AP week in week out so I can’t say, but I don’t see any backs in the league I’d call ‘great’. Not Walter-great, not Barry, or Bo Jackson-great. They come along once in a while, but I’m shaking my head at anyone who classes Forte as ‘great’. Good-very good, not great.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Agree 100%. Job done. No complaints. Matt puts up the numbers, good hands, just nothing flashy. But I have to laugh at commentators who say “he’s normally so good at pass blocking…” – when did that happen? When did Matt become a consensus good pass pro guy? Just don’t see it. Making the odd good block does not make you a good blocker.

            There are only two places you can run the ball, inside and out, and inside is not his game. I saw a clip of Walter last week, he went into the middle of the line, and came out the other side after about ten yards. He hadn’t touched anybody, and nobody had touched him. He wasn’t jinking, or cutting, he was bending around, tip-toeing, sashay-ing, dancing through a sea of bodies. Less Jim Brown, more Fred Astaire. I was thinking “how do you even do that? What’s that called? Just one of many things Matt can’t do, and that’s okay.

            I liked Bush back in the day, but he’s lost something. If we could just pick up a bruiser to complement Forte and Ford, with a center to clear the way – best offense bar none.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’d go DE or DT again instead of MLB. If Bostic gets his learn on, and sits behind DJ, he’ll get there.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
  • Irish Sweetness

    Food for thought next season :

    Alshon was the #2 leading receiver in the NFL this year. Look at the clip of highlights on this page – it’s not on youtube. 2:49 long … and he had that many yards against Minny. Sweet.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000307812/article/who-made-the-leap-in-2013

    When Brandon Marshall is only the second best receiver on your team, things can only look up. Maybe having Cutty’s arm around for the artillery will be worth the investment. Here he sounds like it could go the other way.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000307866/article/some-chicago-bears-havent-adapted-to-marc-trestman

    • MB30SD

      ok, let’s stop all the brandon as #2 to Ashlon.

      That’s just silliness. No doubt he’s a bad ass, but until the first circus catch and the media circus that followed, he was getting BIG breaks because of the coverage on BMarsh.

      In any case, they are both insane and I love having them. Only other dude I wanted was Anquan. My god can you imagine the rotation on those three? jeeez.

      • A7Xthebest

        Agreed. Brandon is the standard. I like Alshon like crazy but he wouldn’t have quite the success if he was playing the number 1s/Double teams.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, AJ benefits from BM’s double-teaming and BM is still the boss of our WRs. One thing, though: I’ll cut AJ’s “drop” some slack on the infamous 3rd and 17 play. Cutler put it out there for him, but who ever the Cheese DB was (Williams or Shield) he was draped all over Alshon. Yes, he could have caught it but it was far, far from a “how the fuck did your drop that?” play. We just got spoiled with him always coming down with those balls.

      • SC Dave

        Brandon is certainly #1 over Alshon in dropped passes. In fact, he led the league in drops. While he had a lot of targets, his 7.3% rate is hardly stellar. Alshon’s was less than half at 3.4%

        http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/

        • MB30SD

          indeed, but one stat does not the whole picture paint my good man.

          That and they both had at least two drops in critical game winning/losing instances that I remember off the top of my head. so you’d also have to look at what the drop meant… was the poorly delivered point I was trying to make.

          • SC Dave

            I know, MB. But all players have strengths and weaknesses (although to be sure in varying proportions) and I guess that’s my point.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            Brandon Marshall, pass-dropper…sorry, maybe it’s like the Forte debate that’s happening south of this post, but when you look back on the season, his drops all seemed like anomalies, not his “Forte”. It seems like a bizarre conversation to even be having.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mmmm, yeah, Brandon’s size and blocking probably move him back up to equal #1 status WR on the team. Can we do that? #1 on each side. Sweet.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Throwing the flag on this MB – just because Brandon is doubled on one play does not explain away a sick jump and catch on the other side of the field – and did we not see coverage rolled towards Alshon and not Brandon during the McCown days? Brandon also benefits from Alshon’s presence. I think you said yourself you didn’t watch many games., so it’s time to re-visit the highlight reel my friend – cos Brandon doesn’t quite do what Alshon does anymore. But yes, very cool that we have both.

  • BerwynBomber

    The granddaddy is truly living up to its rep/history. Heckuva game so far. Hope Sparty can come thru.

    • SC Dave

      They did.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, that was cool. And much needed for the Big Ten. Sparty’s a damn resilient team. Mad impressive job by Danatoni since he has been there. Btw, Shaw at Stanford has done outstanding work too.

  • tobijohn

    When the Bears play the Bucs and their new HC, Lovie Smith, at home next year, I wonder what kind of reception he’ll get from the fans. I guess it might depend on how our defense is doing at the time…

    • BerwynBomber

      Good hire by TB. I think we dodged a bullet with Lovie not going to Detroit. Disciplining the Kitten’s D and taking the ball out of Stafford’s hands from time-to-time could make them a more dangerous opponent.

      • tobijohn

        I wonder if he’s “putting the band back together” a la Blues Brothers:

        Marinelli’s in Dallas, I think Babich is in Jacksonville. We’ve still got a few holdovers (Hoke/?)…

        • NewBearInTown

          Marinelli has a great job working for Kiffen, but he would be getting a promotion to go from D-line coach to Defensive Coordinator. Plus, another year like Dallas just had on D and Marinelli will be looking for work. But still, I think it would be a surprise for him to make a move.
          I do think there’s a very good chance we lose Peanut though. Everybody’s talking about it – he can be the vet to come and in and show the Tampa locker room Lovie’s system.
          The big question on a lot of folks minds now is… who’s the GM in Tampa going to be? Does Lovie pick his own roster? Do they hire Jerry Angelo? Personally I think both moves would be a mistake. Bring in a GM who understands offense and will let Lovie take who he wants on D. That’s the right way to balance your front office.

          • tobijohn

            Wasn’t Angelo part of the Bucs’ front office back in their glory days?

          • Irish Sweetness

            He was the blind squirrel in the office beside the nut factory.

          • Shady

            Nobody is hiring JA as a GM. That’s why he “retired”.

          • MB30SD

            where haz you been

          • tobijohn

            I’ll have to give it some thought but in the past, how successful have teams been that hired the HC first and then forced the GM to live with him? With the Bears and PE, wasn’t the stipulation that he had to keep Lovie at least one year and then he was free to pick his own guy? Unlikely that the Bucs’ new GM will have that option….

          • NewBearInTown

            Different organizations run the hierarchy differently. The most common is what we do in Chicago, where the GM is the coaches boss, but there are other systems. For example, New England and Kansas City basically give their coaches the keys to the kingdom. The GM is basically the guy who manages personelle for the coach.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t know how strong of a GM the Steelers have either.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They have six Lombardis. They’re the fucking model for what I want as a fan. People bitch about Jerra in Dallas. He’s got two rings. I wonder if Phil has a ring in him.

          • bearsfantillend

            WOOHOO!!! a different team is going to start wasting 3/4 round picks on slow white safeties.

          • tobijohn

            Conte’s new team?

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            See my post above. I don’t think there’s a “good” chance we lose Peanut. But it’s a conversation that has enough weight to make me nervous.

          • MB30SD

            i thought i read kiffin is going to retire… or get canned

        • Shady

          I wouldn’t be surprised if Lovie recruited some of his former players he coached in Chicago to join him in Tampa Bay either. Tillman. Jennings. Melton. Some other FA former Bear.

          • tobijohn

            That could get interesting…

          • BerwynBomber

            Good point. Gotta assume some ex-Bears or soon-to-be ex-Bears go play with him. Plus, being on the current Bears D, they may think of it as a better bet. But man, that’s a tough division.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            I for one would be surprised to see Tillman just pack his car and head for Tampa. He’s an interesting one. Age and injury could put the Bears in a position to let him float out the door, but man, same old story – that would be one helluva loss.

          • Shady

            Tillman and Revis would be a nice combination for LoveRod.

          • BerwynBomber

            Especially in a division with Brees and Ryan and the latter’s two big WRs.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            Yeah, that would bring some instant credibility to say the least. I’d just rather he called and asked if Major Wright or Conte was available…

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      We could all pitch in, get him an old AMC Pacer in TB colors…he could watch more clouds that way.

  • BillW

    1. Lovie to tb without a gm is curious. I’m sure we all wonder who his oc will be. Not martz or tice I would assume. Is it wrong for me to hope he fails? Or was it really all Angelos fault. (bad drafts and nevsr forced Lovie to get a real oc)
    2. I think it possible that under the fire zone blitz Conte was in fact supposed to sit down where he did. Briggs said they were in trouble if they didn’t get there. Anyway it would seem pep needed to get contain rather than the hard rush. The only thing that would hurt was Rodgers getting outside to buy time. So my take is good call but bad execution by peppers

    • tobijohn

      Supposedly, he has someone by the name of Jeff Tedford lined up:

      http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Lovie-Smith-has-Tedford-lined-up-as-his-OC.html

    • tobijohn

      Report in the Trib has Leslie Frazier as his DC…

      • Still a Doug Plank Fan

        Wow man, yer on this story. Keep ’em coming.

        • tobijohn

          Handing off the baton to you, I’m going to bed…

          • Cormonster

            Tobi, I didn’t “almost cut my hair” last night. I did cut it. I shaved off my beard and gave myself a major hair cut after midnight. First cut in about a year and a half. Now I got short hair that needs to get fixed by a barber.

          • tobijohn

            Friends don’t let friends get drunk and cut their own hair…

          • bearsfantillend

            yes they do. hell good friends will encourage it, buy the beer and supply the clippers.

          • tobijohn

            Wasn’t there a Leave It To Beaver episode where the Beav and Larry Mondello did the same thing? Another unhappy ending. Ward and June were pissed….

          • johnnywad

            I once shaved my best friends right eyebrow off when we were drunk. He was pissed. Very pissed.

      • gpldan

        Frazier as Lovie’s DC? Oooh.

      • BerwynBomber

        I wonder if Urlacher has any interest in being a position coach. If nothing else, I bet he’s already sent a congratulatory text.

        • NewBearInTown

          Urlacher doesn’t want the hours. He’s going to be on TV for a year or two and then probably retire in Arizona. I just hope he doesn’t waste all of his money on a bad business idea. Ditka’s success in the restaurant business is tough to replicate.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Did not the Bears do the “Hire Head Coach THEN hire GM” dance?

      Sounds like a BAD idea.

      What GM doesn’t want to hire his own Head Coach?

      • johnnywad

        No. They left Lovie in place and gave him a one year shelter when they hired Emery. Emery was free to choose his own coach after one year. Not quite the same scenario but still hamstrung the new GM a bit.

  • BerwynBomber

    Oh, and lest we forget: Lovie vs. Rivera twice a year.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Good catch.

  • NewBearInTown

    Lovie will have Ted Tedford as his offensive coordinator. Tedford mentored some decent NFL QBs… including Aaron Rodgers.
    Rumors circulating that Frazier will be DC, but there’s talk of Marinelli as well. Dallas might block Marinelli leaving though, which would be akward on a lot of fronts.
    Lovie’s contract averages more than $5M per year (which is what Chicago was paying him). Its a 4 year deal with a 5th year option for the team. That’s a sweet deal.
    Meanwhile, no word on the GM. Angelo in the running, as is Rich McKay (former Bucs GM) and Marc Ross (#2 for the NYG). Ross was on the radar in Chicago as well if I recall.
    If Lovie and the new GM can stabilize the quarterback situation, that will be a very competitive team next year.

    • bearsfantillend

      I think you mean if the new GM and the new OC can stabilize the QB situation,cause Lovie won’t be much help in that area.

    • BerwynBomber

      Glennon looked decent for a rookie — think he finished with a mid-eighties rating which is about middle of the pack type stuff. Not saying he is a future pro bowler but probably a kid they give a second season.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I believe that’s JEFF Tedford.

  • Rodgers Dead

    http://news.yahoo.com/smarter-deadlier-drones-mapped-defense-plan-192252528.html
    I’m sorry to sound like a total nutbag but doesn’t it feel like The Terminator and The Matrix are like 15yrs away?

    • johnnywad

      Jesus. Don’t care for the autonomy or the swarming munitions launched from the “mother ship”. Highly advanced explosives just roaming the sky waiting for something to do. Sweet.

    • SC Dave

      Insanity.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Happy New years, maings!

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Can we draft that #4 on south Carolina, btw? That kid had two sick catches in the span of a couple of minutes that looked like AJ highlights.

    • Cormonster

      Don’t remind me. Those catches were great though. SC played great today and WI had no chance after the QB got hurt. Nice win by Illinois hoops yesterday.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Can we get that Hardy kid from CAR? 7 sacks in his last two games?

  • bearsfantillend

    Jeff’s Tweet “Coaches taking new jobs rarely go and stockpile former players. Because former players are older now and that model doesn’t work.”

    Why did we ended up with Orlando Pace, Adam Archuleta, Brandon Manumaleuna? Did Lovie not know this would not work before? Did Lovie learn his lesson?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Ouch, ouch and ouch!

      • bearsfantillend

        i think there were a couple more lesser knowns but did not want to dig up the names. I think John St. Clair was also a StL guy from lovie’s day but not sure.

      • MB30SD

        far as ‘m concerned he can have em… cept for peanut.

  • Cormonster

    Not football related. Just wanted to give some props to my buddy’s Grandma “Gum” who passed away last night at 101. Smart, witty, and super cool until she died in her sleep last night. Daughter of Italian immigrants, she quit school after 9th grade to help support the family after her father died during the flu epidemic when she was a child. Went to the Kennedy Inaugural Ball in 1960 after working on his campaign. Went from being extremely poor to seeing her two kids and all of her grandkids become very successful people. My buddy is the “black sheep” of the group and he’s the athletic director of a D2 college.

    I always loved going to Gum’s house (Grandma Rose). The main reason was the food. My Mom is an awesome cook, and she could make fantastic Italian dishes, but never close to as good as the old school southern Italian cooks like Gum. I swear every time we dropped in unexpected, she had something fresh cooking and I ended up pigging out. I’m not much of a sweets guy, but she made the best cookies I’ve ever had, bar none. The Italian cookies weren’t actually sweet, but more spicy and the flavors just exploded in your mouth. Anyways, a great, wise lady who had an awesome life.

    • Viva

      RIP Grandma Rose

    • Irish Sweetness

      “The seed in your heart shall blossom ….”

      Rest in peace, Grandma Gum.

  • Viva

    Now that Lovie has landed, there is little doubt in my mind that Tampa would overpay for some of our Defensive players, who are not already FA, namely: Briggs, Peppers, and Paea. If we are going to stay in a 4-3, doubtful we would consider dealing any of those guys, but in the event we are going to overhaul the d into a 3-4 model, it makes perfect sense.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yep, if trading Cutty’s not an option then we need picks from somewhere to re-stock the D.

    • MB30SD

      let’s trade pep to lovie for all of his 2014 draft picks!!

  • Viva

    I cannot believe Brandon Saad did not make the Olympic Roster. I guess speed, intensity, and fearless competitors need not apply. Fuck Team Canada.

  • Trac

    Lovie to TB! Wow, that franchise has a bad rep canning good coaching talent. I wonder if Lovie can do what Gruden, Dungy couldn’t? Keep his job.

    No doubt about it, Lovie will cherry pick the Bears free agents. I wonder if Hester has already met with him?

    • MB30SD

      buh bye.

  • Trac

    Due to the Lovie hire, Bears can now add about 3 more positions to their wish list. Now is as good a time as any to rebuild I suppose. Any guess on who goes to Tampa? I’m guessing, Hester and Tillman, maybe Melton.

    • MB30SD

      of those three I only want peanut to stay. Whatevs to the other two.

  • johnnywad

    Its going to be interesting to see what Lovie ‘s D looks like in Tampa. I think we’re going to see he’s not the great defensive mind he’s perceived to be. First of all, he had the luxury of Urlacher, Peanut, Briggs, Brown, Harris, etc all in their prime. There were years along the way when the defense ranked in the 20’s in run and pass defense. Years when Lach was hurt. I’m pretty confident we’ll find out he’s average. His philosophy on that side of the ball is predicated on having a Pro Bowl 3-tech and possible HOF MLB and then playing mistake free football. His defense was showing its deficiencies here in Chicago so they went out and signed Peppers to “fix’ it. If he were that great of a defensive mind, why did they need a $100M free agent defensive end? Guess we’ll see.

    • Trac

      One things for sure, he already has very good talent.

    • MB30SD

      with you johnny. I think he’ll have early success… but not playoff/suberbowl level success, then just bump around 9-7/11-5 and a couple first round implosions over a 5-7 year period.

      You know, same old lovie. Good enough to get your hopes up and keep his job, not good enough to do anything more than that. He better hope he gets either a VERY good GM, or just one with great luck. (all this sound familiar?)

  • gpldan

    Urlacher upstages Bears press conference at 10am, announces he will suit up again as Bucs Mike.

  • Bounce

    anyone else see peppers get pulled back on this no holding call?
    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013122901/2013/REG17/packers@bears#menu=highlights&tab=recap

  • bearsfantillend

    signed – tim jennings, matt slauson, and jay cutler. WOW

  • gpldan

    “It’s been a heck of a rolly coasta ride this year” – Emery

    Jennings
    Slauson

    and CUTLER signed

    SEVEN YEAR DEAL????? Whoa.

    • MB30SD

      DETAILS PLS GENTS!!!

      …or a link.

      Now we need peanut and…. who else?

      • gpldan

        Emery blowing Jennings right now.

        • MB30SD

          hey, whatever it takes. Good man.

          • gpldan

            Now – the reacharound for Slauson.

          • MB30SD

            that sounds about right.

            Man, wonder what peanut will get… his salad tossed?

          • gpldan

            By Lovie, maybe.

          • MB30SD

            I thought that was just called, “tuesday nights”

          • gpldan

            I think Emery wants to marry Cliff Stein.

          • MB30SD

            so do i… thank god we had him during the JA lovie years. Like watching a professional babysitter manage two bungling toddlers.

      • gpldan

        “Bears fans are very passionate, emotional fans. All of it is good. “

    • gpldan

      “Jay is a winner.The comeback wins against Cincy and the Vikes showed he is a playmaker. He battles through tough times. He had zero picks against the Saints.”

      • MB30SD

        I bet anything that the deal is reasonable. Not an absurd romo or lesbian level deal. Jay took a hometown and he got rewarded with a done contract the day after new years.

        I’m in to see if he can stay on the field and get better in year 2 of his 5th offense and OC since he’s been here

      • gpldan

        Kind of a shock, Jay is up at Halas Hall but the Trib Story said he went on vacation with the Wife and Kid and was not in town. Misdirection play.

      • gpldan

        “We failed in the attempt to win the NFC North Crown. We are as upset as our fans. We were better than 8-8. “

  • bearsfantillend

    Trestman really should always wear a hat.

    • MB30SD

      LIIIIINKS!!!!!

  • johnnywad

    Seven years for Cutty. Can’t wait to see the numbers. Congratulations Bears fans. Our GM is not fucking around.

    • gpldan

      Damn get to the questions already, what are the figures on Cutty’s deal.

      • MB30SD

        he just blew peanut… hopefully that will translate to a contract extension.

      • johnnywad

        That’s the whole thing. What’s he getting paid? Can they build the Defense now too? Huge question. My bet is that its surprisingly reasonable. Lotta years, reasonable money.

        • gpldan

          Let’s be honest, Jay Cutler is not playing football at age 37 with the diabeeetus. So the question is, where is the balloon?

  • bearsfantillend

    csnchicago.com is streaming it

    • MB30SD

      thanks

      • gpldan

        c’mon Phil. We know the run D sucked.

        • MB30SD

          ohhhhh, did you hear the brandon hardin piece? Innnnnnnteresting.

          • gpldan

            He’s doing the Singletary “that’s on me” routine. I smell a Youtube video.

  • MB30SD

    reports of maranelli to lovie in tampa

    http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/report-rod-marinelli-join-lovie-smith-buccaneers

    Will they get bears 2011-2012 D, or Cowboys 2013 D?

  • MB30SD

    “Shea did not have enough impact plays. Sacks are impact plays…. putting him at DE did not succeed”

    Emery

    • gpldan

      “We have to create a state of confusion.” – so much Youtube mix stuff here.

      • MB30SD

        Hahahaha… you play to win the game.

  • MB30SD

    “we’re going to be a younger defense, because the draft will be focused on that”

    • gpldan

      Good to know we won’t be drafting veterans.

  • MB30SD

    “Can you turn around a team in one year… yes you can.”

    • gpldan

      “I’m proud of the relationships built in this locker room. In 25 years, the players will remember the special times we had in here.” – Trestman

      Yeah, okay Sandusky, you are creeping us out a little.

  • gpldan

    I’m not sure we will be getting the T&C on Cutty’s deal at this presser.

  • MB30SD
  • BerwynBomber

    Jay Cutler has the richest QB contract in NFL history. Tied with Rodgers at largest guaranteed — 54M — largest in total at 126M.

  • Viva

    JAY CUTLER WAS BORN TO BE OUR QB.

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