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Ground Rules for Digesting Training Camp

| July 25th, 2014

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Kyle Fuller interception! He’s going to be great!

But Jordan Palmer THREW the interception! Get Jimmy Clausen out there!

These are meant to be written in jest but I can 100% assure you in some miserable cubicle somewhere a Bears fan is following camp updates on Twitter, sweating profusely through his free Joseph A. Bank suit shirt and having these very same thoughts.

Here would be my rules for enjoying the information as it exits Bourbonnais without committing the family savings to its relevance.

#3 Practice Field Results Don’t Matter

There is a simple fact individuals forget when it comes to camp results. For a Bears player to make a positive play, another Bears player needs to make a negative one. Someone must throw the pass on a brilliant interception. Someone must miss the block when a new defensive end gets to the quarterback unabated. When a receiver makes a great catch down the sideline, someone was tasked with covering him.

For instance, Larry Mayer of the Bears Tweeted this:

LM: QB Jordan Palmer hits WR Chris Williams deep down right sideline, beating CB Kyle Fuller.

This is presented by Mayer, who has never Tweeted or written a negative word about the Chicago Bears since a McCaskey started signing his checks. But nly one of those three individuals is going to be depended upon for success in 2014 and it ain’t the first two.

#2 Reps Matter in Total/Location

You will hear this sentence all the time: HE NEEDS THE REPS! Truth is he doesn’t and most veterans throughout the summer don’t even want the reps. But on-field reps are a trend worth considering when it comes to evaluating who will make the roster and at which position the club perceives their value.

If Shea McClellin starts seeing more time at Mike than SLB, that’s worth noting. If Kyle Fuller is seeing more first-team inside than Kelvin Hayden, that’s noteworthy. When Kyle Long starts camp ill and Eben Britton gets those reps at RG, that’s worthy of notation.

Two players I’d keep an eye on are Jordan Lynch and Chris Williams. I get the sense Emery and Trestman want both of these fellas on the roster and expect them to receive every opportunity to find a role.

#1 Trust Nothing Seen By Media & Fans

Each NFL franchise is a storage container of secrets so if you believe these teams would show anything of note to a collection of fans/media, you’re lost. The plays, schemes, formations being displayed for media and fans are the team’s most bland, most vanilla. None of it will correlate to the regular season.

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  • Trac

    Trust no one! I love Reagan’s ” trust but verify” quote.

    • SC Dave

      That was a rather enigmatic one, wasn’t it?

      • Trac

        Quite, old chap.

        • MB30SD

          Mmmmm… indeed.

  • bearsfantillend

    off topic of this blog entry, when is ESPN going to finally get rid of Stephen A. Smith. He has been saying stupid shit for years and most of his arguments somehow end up being about race. I applaud Michelle Beadle for tweeting her response to what Smith said this morning. About time someone at ESPN puts that blowhard in his place.

    jeff’s tweets about what he should have said are right on.

    • MB30SD

      ost her tweet(s). this is a blog of evidence bearpenis (I haven’t bestowed a nickname on you yet), I don’t just TALK about boobies now do I? No, I don’t.

      Thank you.

      • bearsfantillend

        link to Beadles tweets:
        http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/07/michelle-beadle-stephen-a-smith-rant

        boobies are great!!!

        • MB30SD

          yes they are BP, yes they are.

          • bearsfantillend

            i think i was more impressed that someone within the ESPN family spoke out against the stupidity of his statements. Usually a pretty tight group, defending each other at ESPN.

          • MB30SD

            yeah, but I gotta believe there are plenty of people in and out of the org who think sas is a buffoon, cause, you know… he is. I bet there’s a list of people who’ve just been waiting for an opty for it to be considered ok to publically call him an ahole.

            And here we are.

    • Big Mike

      Stephen A. Smith is insufferable.

      • AlbertInTucson

        You are being WAY to kind to him.

      • SC Dave

        The beauty of all this is, I don’t know who the fuck you are talking about. There *are* advantages to not owning a television.

        • Big Mike

          You can find his idiocy on line every where.

          • SC Dave

            That would mean I would have to look for it.

    • AlbertInTucson

      They got rid of him once. The mystery is why they took him back He went to FoxSports Radio and was AWFUL.He didn’t even last a year on he air there because it was obvious he did ZERO preparation for his radio show. Before all that, he got run out of the newspaper business for TWICE claiming authorship of stories he didn’t break. He’s an absolute tool.

  • MB30SD

    Happy birthday sweetness, he would have been 60 today. We miss you mainjes

    http://www.si.com/nfl/photos/2011/09/28rare-photos-of-walter-payton

    #7 is my favorite.

    (note: Irish, you’ll love slide #19 of walter, your namesake, with known and avowed PLO supporter phil collins. Yay!)

    • Big Mike

      Looking at these pictures was a giant reminder of how great Walter Payton was. The teams he played on were such steaming piles of shit. 8-8 was a break out year for the first 3/4 of his career. .

      • SC Dave

        Hopefully, Matt Forte will play the second half of his career behind an offensive line somewhere close to what Payton enjoyed.

        • Big Mike

          As bad as the Bears were during the most of Payton’s career, he never played behind an offensive line as bad as Forte has. The Bears were pretty solid up front. Noah Jackson, Revie Sorey are a couple names I remember.

          • SC Dave

            How about Van Horne, Bortz, Hilgenberg, Thayer, and Covert? Arguably the best o-line the Bears have ever had. The one thing I really give Ditka credit for it assembling and/or making that crew.

          • Big Mike

            That group wasn’t assembled to 1983. My reference was to the pre-Ditka Bears. Ditka/Finks rebuilt the franchise, but couldn’t reload and the Bears became the most talented 1 and done SB winner in history. They were repeatedly beaten in the playoffs by less talented teams.

          • CanadaBear

            QB issues doomed us. That Dumbass Ditka didn’t think you needed a top notch QB as long as you had Walter and a great D.

          • SC Dave

            That, and McMahon could not stay on the field because he was basically a Grabowski redneck and not smart enough to understand his importance.

            Perhaps that brain damage stuff started long before he showed up in Chicago.

          • SC Dave

            The losing to less talented teams is the story. And that rests with the head coach, which is why I have never, and will never, be enamored with Ditka.

          • Big Mike

            Amen. Sermon concluded

    • AlbertInTucson

      60?! That’s just wrong/sad in so many ways.

  • MB30SD

    And continuing my theory that pro football cheerleaders are made up of mostly chicks with hot bodys and tons of make up to cover 5-7 faces.

    http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Minnesota-Vikings-Cheerleaders-2014-15-Calendar-Cover-Unveiled/1d085920-979a-4c8c-88dd-de8aec8266da#7c8cf86e-9e02-42ce-b723-0ae6e6a3239f

  • Big Mike

    ICYMI a nice puff piece on Lamar Young.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd VeuveClicquot,S’ilVousPlait

    Hallas giveth, Hallas taketh away…
    In other news:

    Shea McClellin opened training camp as the Bears’ starting strong-side linebacker.

    Jon Bostic practiced with the twos at Mike ‘backer, behind
    D.J. Williams. McClellin is being backed up by impressive UDFA
    Christian Jones, with Lance Briggs healthy at weak-side linebacker.
    Expect improvement from Chicago’s 2014 defense with its health restored
    and several impact offseason additions. – Rotoworld

    • MB30SD

      Prediction… Jones and CD will split time to begin the season, with CD in on rush downs/blitzes and jones to be the real OLB (like briggsy). That might work in the long run.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd VeuveClicquot,S’ilVousPlait

        Very real possibility. I think whoever learns the playbook fastest will “officially” be the starter, but I see them splitting too.
        I thought Jones was more of a thumper though. Need to find out if he can cover TEs (Too bad Data is sipping on a Pina Colada). I’ll re-check his rook profile.

        It might not matter much anyhow. Emery hinted that Fuller can cover TEs, and I do expect us to be in a lot of nickle, more so than last year when teams didn’t have to pass because they were ripping off 5 yards per rush (smh).

        • MB30SD

          When we took him, I watched 2-3 highlight tapes. The kid is a fucking animal. Thumper but also tall and long and fast. seems like a Derrick Thomas type. If he can pull his shit together, he may be the find of the draft… at least that’s what I’m hoping.

      • GPLDAN

        MB is Jonesing on Christian Jones.

        • MB30SD

          loved what I saw on tape. And at the ripe old price of FUCKING FREE… he would be the kind of player I want to take up a roster spot and tons of organizational effort/time/commitment… not a, ahem… never mind.

          • GPLDAN

            Butch and I agreed about 30 threads ago that he had a Rosie Colvin vibe.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Excellent LB. Bad hip shortened his career.

          • Trac

            Isn’t he related to Taylor Mays? Hee hee.

          • MB30SD

            i hope not

          • Trac

            Whatever came of that cat?

          • MB30SD

            He’s Burfict’s teammate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Mays

          • For your consideration….

            nice vid, here’s the kid Fuller. He’s going to be our Woodson.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT6QIHKv2_Q

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Onward Christian Soldiers…”

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Expect imporvement from Chicago’s 2014 defense…” Off an historically AWFUL year by the defense? Ya think? We better HOPE!

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd VeuveClicquot,S’ilVousPlait

    Unlock your cell. Wasn’t this coined “Jail Breaking”? Can’t keep up with the lingo…

    http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/25/5936843/house-passes-phone-unlocking-bill

    • Trac

      Cell fishing?

  • Trac

    http://www.bearshistory.com/seasons/1989chicagobears.aspx

    Crazy man. The Bears had 20 picks in the ’89 draft and went 6-10 after accumulating the best record of any team in the NFL four years prior. They could have traded up for Derrick Thomas. Sigh.

    • Big Mike

      The years after the SBXX were a shit sandwich. God bless Ditka for turning this sorry franchise around after the late 60, all of the 70s and the early 80s. But he lost that team.

      • SC Dave

        FInks had a lot to do with it, Mike.

        • Big Mike

          Not 86, 87, or 88. The team was still stacked. The 90s. A complete melt down. Terrible coaches, terrible drafts. As much crap as Lovie Smith gets here, he was a big part of turning the Bears around.

          • bearsfantillend

            i hardly consider being in the playoff 3 years out of the 8 years Lovie was the coach a turn around…

          • MB30SD

            The classic stat. He beat shit, broke even with mediocre, and got our ass wiped by anything even approaching decent.

            No thanks. So so happy he’s now the bucs ultimate disappointment

          • Big Mike

            At the midpoint of his tenure it was 3 of 5. Clearly there was a decline.

          • NewBearInTown

            Don’t forget those three playoff runs included an NFC championship and a Superbowl appearance.

            More importantly, there was not one season under Lovie that the Bears weren’t a relevant team in the second half of the season. We were competitive every year.

            Lovie and Angelo didn’t build a dominant team, but they stopped being embarrassing. The hope is that Emery/Trestman can take us to the next level – we can be more like New Orleans or the Giants. Teams that have the juice to win come playoff time.

          • Big Mike

            This. @MB30SD:disqus has a short memory about how terrible the Bears were before Lovie. If you think Lovie had some weaknesses in his game management, see Jauron and Wannstedt for how to take away hope. Icnluding the the Fluke 13-3 season (which was sandwiched by 5-11 and 4-12 seasons proving it;s flukeworthiness), from 1992 to to 1993 (Lovie Smith), the Bears missed the playoffs 9 out of 11 seasons. The Bears had 0 ZERO playoff wins. Even worse They were over 500 only 3 times Lovie Smith’s led a team that was under 500 only twice. One of those was his first year, The other was the post SB season where they had to start 3 different QBs and a basically a plague of locusts descended on the team. While I’m all for the change of direction, Lovie went 10-6 the year he was fired. Enough of the grinding on him.

  • MB30SD

    gotta get me onea thems (a gopro): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I66OjPf3JiE

  • MB30SD
    • bearsfantillend

      what fun would that be??? you got to be strapped in.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    you guys are so out of touch

    • Trac

      I like the way they comb their hair. He he.

  • DaMurph

    It’s finally here! Booked my flight, room, car, and bought tix for Bears v Falcons! Hop aboard, the train is pulling out of the station!

    • Big Mike

      Awesome. I’ve still not determined which away game I get to.

  • Trac

    I know there’s a lot of Springsteen snobs on here but I just love me some Devo from time to time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UcpmUQkNU&index=13&list=RDX9tvLrWG1mk

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Cuh-RACK that WHIP!” Didn’t one of them just die?

      • GPLDAN

        Mark Mothersborough, who did the soundtrack to Rushmore and was Devo founding member, passed away.

    • MB30SD

      Fuck Springsteen. .. devo were music scientists.

      • For your consideration….

        blasphemer.

  • Ososfan

    I don’t care of it doesn’t matter since it was the first practice. What I did really enjoy was the fact
    That B-Marsh congratulated Fuller after the play. That was awesome

  • AlbertInTucson

    StepHan A Smith. His mouth is the perfect location for a zipper.

    • bearsfantillend

      or a .45

      • MB30SD

        ouch

  • johnnywad
    • For your consideration….

      haha, pretty amusing

      Lynch can help keep Forte fresh and be a nice change of pace back because defenses will be like, “Whoa, you’re not black.”

    • Shady

      “Is this the year Alshon steps up and changes his last name to Jeffries?”

      Well played 10 ft midget.

    • SC Dave

      What a pathetic wanker

  • For your consideration….
  • For your consideration….

    ok, now i can’t even follow twitter. brutal.

    • CanadaBear

      Is your enthusiasm misunderstood?

      • For your consideration….

        no, the responses from people about plays happening is brutal. i tuned off immediately.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd VeuveClicquot,S’ilVousPlait

    So I went to this “folk” electronic-new age gig last night in Hollywood. The music was pretty crazy. It was basically new bands taking old folk music from all over the world, Russia, Greece, Latin America, The South, Gypsi, Arabic etc and modernizing. Complete with belly dancers and sword dancers (pretty hot). Anyways, the event was called Malabomba! and you can prob google it. If the event comes to your town, I highly suggest it if you want to try something different. Side note, it was so hipster, that it would make Evan look like a banker.

    This is a sample of some of the stuff they would play.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcU417JMucQ

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd VeuveClicquot,S’ilVousPlait

      Oh, and yes. HOT ASS CHICKS.
      But maybe that’s a hollywood thing. If you go to this in Wisc, no promises.

    • SC Dave

      Sounds fun

  • GPLDAN
    • Shady

      Nice work. Bigggggggggsyyyyyyy!

      • CanadaBear

        Hilarious! Well done GP.

        • Cormonster

          Canada, have you seen the ESPN documentary Slaying the Badger? Very interesting story about LeMond and Hinault in the Tour de France.

          • CanadaBear

            No but I’ll check it out. That is about the time I got into bike racing. Thanks.

          • Cormonster

            I seen it on the tele, but it’s also on youtube.

    • http://www.bearsdraftontap.com Johnathan Wood

      In #24, Wilson still looks really skinny.

      • GPLDAN

        If he bulked up working out in Florida, it didn’t show. Palmer and Cutler had to point to line up spots twice for him, he looks back at the QB with puppy dog eyes, and here’s something you can tell in camp: he dogs it.

        Here’s what I see: Lazy and stupid.

        At a Lovie camp, a day like today would produce 40 snaps. Trestman did 80. Coaches yelled at guys to RUN back after the play. They were doing sprints. Move move move move, tempo tempo tempo. Wilson didn’t seem prepared.

        • MB30SD

          Oh god, I can’t tell you how I am loving this.

          THIS post is singularly much more important than your previous one (as great to hear as it was).

          To me, what you state above is THE most important thing I’ve heard so far. THIS is why lovie was an 8-8 coach, and hopefully why trest with emery will have us contending every year from here on out (barring catastrophic injury on one side of the ball)

  • GPLDAN

    Here’s the morning breakdown.

    I have more pictures but Photobucket doesn’t like any panoramic shots and the SLR was being a problem. I actually went up to Hub and said hello, and he was friendly and spoke to me.

    Highs:

    Cutler looks sharp. Alshon made two sideline catches that were excellent and the crowd roared. About 7,000 people there crowding the one field for most of the day. The balls zipped into Bennett, Marshall and Jeffery and they all looked very very sharp. Jay stayed after practice to work some 1 on 1 with Bennett after the walk back. Hard to know what exactly was happening, but I would say it had to do with end zone slant-ins and when Cutler is going to go front shoulder (lead) and when he’s going back shoulder on those throws because Bennett missed the scrimmage throw.

    Khaseem Greene picked Palmer twice, Palmer seems reticent to go to the big men. I liked Jimmy Clausen’s throws better, to be honest. Palmer is a tall man, though. Taller than Jay, taller than Clausen by a ways. He can see over the line and make throws, but his arm is meh and with Fuller’s pick yesterday, he seems to make a lot of bad reads.

    They worked the shotgun hot and heavy today. Garza got a lot of reps long snapping to the Qbs. Jerron Mastrud dropped two passes, both from the FB position behind the line, both the flats. Both balls were tough catches, but they hit his hands. There is Bennett and then there are a bunch of TEs who don’t impress.

    Shae appears to be the starting 4-3 alignment LB, with Williams in the middle. Both swap for Bostic when the nickel goes in. Then it is Bostic and Briggs.

    Spurlock looks better than Weems on specials, and may push him for his spot. MD Jennings I doubt makes the roster, they had Hayden at SS and Ryan Mundy at FS all day. Vereen came in and tried out at corner, I didn’t see him play any safety. All this means little.

    Jordan Mills and Willie Young decided to get into it. About 4 lesser Bears surrounded the fight and then Kyle Long, who wasn’t practicing but on the end zone line, stepped in and broke it up.

    If today is any indication, then Briggs backup is Christian Jones. Jones is rangy and strong, he looks good out there. What I saw, and this means nothing, was that the Will, Sam, Mike designations stopped. There was LOLB and ROLB. If the TE lined up on Shae’s side, then Shae picked him up. It may be this D will be more base 4-3, but I saw Briggs pick up a TE twice. I think they will want Shae on TE’s and he started the practice doing this drill with a giant rubber ball where the TE gets to try and use the ball to pick the defender off, and the defense has to stick on him, simulating another player running a plc or a ref in the way, etc. Shae did a lot of those. He looks his 6’3” now that he’s slimmer and looks rangier.

    Ka’seem Carey and Michael Ford will be in a highly contested battle for the backup RB. Each got snaps. Ford is quicker, Carey looks more of a handful to bring down.

    Eben Britton, not deLa Puente, worked out at RG in Long’s absence. Austen Lane and Charles Leno are probably long shots to make the middle. Ego F. is a big guy. A real handful in there, although Flatbread continues to look to start.

    Possible issues

    No balls went to Wilson, and frankly Wilson looks lost out there. He got no looks from anybody and his routes and move off the ball was weak. Morgan and Spurlock could push this kid. I have to be honest, he may have nice 100 meter times, but I don’t see the football in the kid.

    I didn’t see much of Adrian Wilson out there at all. He doesn’t look like he has his run clearance yet. Neither Steltz nor Conte played (obviously for Conte).

    Conclusion

    The big three, Bennett, Marshall and Jeffery, put on a show for the crowd. And they ate it up. It’s far too early to see anything that meaningful and camp is camp. Trestman will need a plan to mix it up and make the backfield or the TE position a threat. I anticipate really wanting Miller and Mastrus to do stuff in place of Flametta, and line up in WB positions and other stuff. Today suggested there may be more shotgun this year, but you really can’t draw that conclusion until pre-season starts. Cloudy and cool today, like I said I said hello to Hub. He was congenial and helping greet the inner city kids as part of the charity in the VIP tent. I was going to ask him if he could talk Wayne Larrivee into quitting the Packers so Bears Extra could come back on tv, but decided not to. The inner city kids program they had going seemed nice, Marshall spent some time with the kids, and you could see the movie star effect that he carries.

    My thoughts are – the DBB’s dislike for K. Greene is misplaced. He is a rangy guy and has trimmed up and plays super quick. He’s so fast you could make him into a SS.

    I have no idea why Vereen was demoted off playing FS all day, I don’t think there is too much to read into that – he played CB for the Gophers, so maybe they want to look at him there.

    Driving downstate is kind of a PITA. There were a lot of people there, but I came in the north side and got a nice spot and good place along the rope. Make sure, if you go, you look at the Bears guides as to what field scrimmage will happen on. Or, get there early, and the field that all the teenagers who get in the gate first sprint towards – that’s the scrimmage field.

    L8R

    Go Bears!

    • Trac

      Thanks GP. Great comments and pics.

    • For your consideration….

      oh yeah, that’s the good stuff. That’s meaty content and you’ve done a ten times better job than the guys getting paid for it and talking about it on the radio who are actually at camp. thanks!!!!

      • SC Dave

        soooo this. Thanks much GP

      • Ososfan

        GP, you da man!

    • Shady

      mmmmmmBearce.

    • http://www.bearsdraftontap.com Johnathan Wood

      impossible to judge ST without pads.

      • GPLDAN

        The only things you can draw from going there is that:

        A. the big three haven’t lost their ability to make circus catches. They could do it in their sleep, especially Jeffery whose arms are like Tractor beams, he can make all kinds of catches.

        And just some minor positioning stuff, like that Shae is working out on the starting 3 but Bostic plays nickel and that Vereen didn’t play any safety.

    • MB30SD

      Well done as usual gp. Next weekend, just sneak up next to Biggs reeeaaally quietly and when a break in the action comes, forcefully whisper in his ear, “I’m coming for your jooooob fatboy” and then disappear back into the crowd.

      He’ll look down and there won’t be anyone there, but at his feet will be a card with just the like to your pb site printed on it… where your pics and write up will be.

      • GPLDAN

        I would sneak up and whisper “melted cheese on onion rings”, such that he thought it was his own subconscious saying it.

        One reason I shot the back of his head is that he had a press area roped ahead of people, and had no issues walking in front of people blocking views. A guy next to me tittered “the death star has cleared the planet, the death star has cleared the planet” and everybody laughed.

        • MB30SD

          hahaha… that’s funny.

          (somewhere in the back of the Extra secret VIP section of a Malnati’s, Biggsy wept softly to himself as he slowly consumed his 5th deep dish meatlover’s special with super extra sausage and bacon.

          …and the vicious cycle continues unabated)

      • AlbertInTucson

        Not too close to his feet because I doubt that he can see them when he looks down.

        • MB30SD

          Hahaha! !!!

    • AlbertInTucson

      What SLR are you shooting with?

      • GPLDAN

        EOS Rebel T3i

        • AlbertInTucson

          We are using Canons to shoot promo/commercial vdieo these days. 7Ds, I think.

          • MB30SD

            I have a 5D. Love it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            It shoots NICE HD video. Our main shooter does portrait photos of the talent with it as well. Checkout a video called MOVI (pronounced MOE-veye) on youtube We picked up one of them, too.

          • MB30SD

            I’ve been thinking about picking up a GoPro. Have wanted one badly for my surfing, MTB, and some other kids fun stuff when we go to seaworld and stuff… but I can buy them a lot for $400.

          • AlbertInTucson

            We have a Go Pro. Love it. We’ve gotten great shots for promos everywhere from the Go Pro suction-cupped to a news unit driving down the road to underwater shots for drowning prevention and swim lessons.

          • MB30SD

            Hmmmm… might have to bite the bullet. Suctioned to the front of my board would be fun. and to my MTB on a downhill singletrack. thanks al

          • AlbertInTucson

            The thing takes a beating, too. One time it fell off the truck as it was driving. Another time, my boss used it underwater – without putting the UW housing on it. Whoops. He did the “put it in a bowl of rice to dry out” trick and, lo and behold, the camera functions DID come back but the monitor had to be replaced.

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha. .. sold!

            They’re going public soon, if not already. .. would be a fun investment

    • MB30SD

      Also, on the record for a while thinking the bostic and greene picks will end up being solid for us. Probably not lach/briggsy level, but solid once they get their feet under them in a strong/solid D scheme.

  • SC Dave

    http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Trestman-Good-start-defensively/25c644df-f0b5-484f-9645-c7a2002aa930

    Trestman is cool… what he says starting about 1:30… the stuff about winning and losing on every play and how you “respond as a professional…”

  • MB30SD

    reposting from a second GP post below because it’s the most important thing I’ve heard about the Bears so far.

    “At a Lovie camp, a day like today would produce 40 snaps. Trestman did 80. Coaches yelled at guys to RUN back after the play. They were doing sprints. Move move move move, tempo tempo tempo.”

    THIS is why the trest/emery regime will have us competing for a playoff spot every year… barring the freak injury avalanche that was last year.

    I can’t tell you how overjoyed I am to have professionals running this team finally, not a bunch of fools who got lucky then stayed through a mix of a sick joke, complacency, fear of change, and nepotism/cronyism. Real coaches, real football… no more camp lovie. god that shit turns my stomach. Good luck with all that Tampa bay.

    • Shady

      Easy killer. Lovie wasn’t a GREAT coach, but he wasn’t unprofessional. I really don’t get all this animosity you have towards him. I mean, feel free to go nuts during Bucs Week but let’s not go overboard here in preseason maings.

      • MB30SD

        actually, I can do whatever in thee fuck I want. Until you actually get some balls and meet me in the thunderdome 1:1 again.. WITHOUT radar… and win a bet that says I can’t talk shit about lovie.

        The guy perennially put us in the middle. We have one great year, and he managed to totally and completely fuck us out of a win we could have and should have had with abjectly idiotic coaching. Cedrunk instead of thomas who was getting what 5 yards a carry… rex for orton? bend then score. uhhhhgggg…

        I blame him and angelo. Always will… and there’s nuthin you can do to change it… except said scenario above. escurd?

      • bearsfantillend

        i am going to fight the urge to go on a Lovie and company rant, and politely ask why shouldn’t any Bears fans have animosity towards Lovie and his crew of coaches?

        • MB30SD

          thank you sir. But I beseech you to rant. We still have a few days to real football… that and I like fucking with shady.

        • Shady

          LIsten, you guys are free to hate on whoever you guys want. But for me, Angelo was the REAL culprit as to why the Bears never made it over the hump. Too many whiffs in the draft, too many mistakes in FA and too many philosophical misjudgments. Yes, Lovie’s personality was boring and vanilla. Yes, he treated the media and fans with prideful aloofness, but looking at the bottom line, wins and losses (especially considering what he had to work with) he wasn’t as bad a some of your make it out to be.

          His defenses and specials were always among the best in the league. I think having a GM in TB who understands offense will be a big asset for Lovie and I wouldn’t be surprised of they make the playoffs in the next few years.

          • bearsfantillend

            Decisions or actions of Lovie that leads to animosity:
            1-4 Shea, Turner, Martz, Tice
            5. Firing Rivera
            6. Babich
            7. trying to convince people Hester’s a #1 receiver
            8. oh look at the pretty sky, where am i. oh yeah i am on the field.
            9. challenging plays
            10. Time management
            11. No player Development on either side of the ball
            12. Drafting – NOT all on Angelo – coaches have input.
            13. rigid stubbornness to the cover 2 scheme. – 3rd and 3 lets play our CBs 10 yrds off the receivers and Safeties 20yrds back.
            14. that cloud looks like a bunny rabbit. oh wait i am supposed to be coaching.
            15. Alex Brown being benched for Anderson
            16. No Half Time Adjustments EVER!!!
            17. the prevent defense that cost us how many games????
            18. cronyism- unfortunately it had to be this way since no other coaches in the league wanted to work with him. remember Perry Fewell refused to even interview for the DC that eventually went to Marinelli by default.

            i could go on but i think you get my point. and as far as his defenses being among the best, go do a little research, over half of the years he coached the defense was not top 10, several years they weren’t even in the top 15 when it came to points scored.

          • GPLDAN
          • Shady

            Here’s “a little research” for you, Lovie’s Bears finished in the top ten in defensive DVOA eight times in Lovie Smith’s nine seasons – including finishing first in his last year in Chicago.

            http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef2012

            Not to mention having – bar none – THE BEST special teams unit for a majority of his tenure.

            http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst2007

            Listen haters, I’m not saying it wasn’t time for a change, I’m just saying let’s not pretend he didn’t accomplish anything while he was here. We can all make fun of the bullshit peripheral attributes like his facial expressions and Lovie’isms, but if you look at the results he wasn’t BAD. Certainly not as bad as we’ve seen before he came along.

          • bearsfantillend

            yep not as bad as the previous 9 years. those teams only made it to the playoff twice. Being good on defense does not make you a good Head Coach by any means, it makes you a good Defensive Coordinator. A Head Coach needs to be judged by the production of the whole team not just one side of the ball. It is sad that any Bears fan would be defending MEDIOCRITY!

          • MB30SD

            THis is EXACTLY what I was going to post after reading this string.

            This is EXACTLY what lovie is shady, a very good to great DC and a dogshit HC. The players loved him, and he was SOOOOO lucky to have Toub (he had nothing to do with that squad in my estimation and basically let toub handle it all by himself)

          • Shady

            I agree with what you’re saying here, but never have I said Lovie shouldn’t have been let go. It’s the over the top, unbridled Lovie bashing that just seems odd to me. I’m not DEFENDING mediocrity, I’m just calling Smith’s HC tenure for what it was. Mediocrity.

            Regular season 81–63–0
            Postseason 3–3
            Career record 84–66–0
            Championships won
            NFC North (2005, 2006, 2010)
            NFC Championship (2006)

            Just not quite good enough for Chicago. Enter Trestmaings.

          • MB30SD

            problem is mainjes, that only lombardis count. He had it in his hands and he pissed it down the drain. He beat the packers, what 3, 4 times in 9 years… after he made it his charter. And to irish’ credit, what HC comes in with a charter to beat one team, instead of win SBs… and then do neither.

            I don’t hate him because he was total dogshit (I don’t think any of us think he was a bad DC), I hate him because he was a horrible HC and he epitomized mediocrity.

          • Shady

            “I don’t hate him because he was total dogshit, I hate him because he was a horrible HC and he epitomized mediocrity.”

            Wha. What? LOL

            To be fair to the average Love, the Bears beat the Packers six out of eight times from 04-’07, including four straight at Lambeau Field. But things reverted back to the mean and the Packers went on a 9-2 run, winning the final six meetings between the two teams.

          • MB30SD

            he was a great DC and the players loved him. Eric mangini was a total dogshit HC. Lovie was a HORRIBLE O HC, just abysmal. Think about the SB shots we pissed away because of a total lack of O talent and coaching. Can you imagine what we would have done with the Ds and specials we had WITH a guy like trestmand as OC and a GM like emery instead of angelo? fuck me, that makes it almost worse.

            …and the last 4 years of packer losses is all i remember, you?

          • Shady

            “Think about the SB shots we pissed away because of a total lack of O talent and coaching. Can you imagine what we would have done with the Ds and specials we had WITH a guy like trestmand as OC and a GM like emery instead of angelo?”

            Exactly. Glitchy was the maing culprit. Maybe 90%-10% Angelo-Lovie? 80-20?

          • MB30SD

            60/40 or 50/50.

            get online RIGHT NOW!!!!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Bottom line: You can NOT miss the playoffs your last 5 seasons out of 6 mainly because your offensive coodinator is an afterthought especially if one of them is named Mike Tice.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Offensive Coordinator/System Roulette” is ALWAYS bad news.

          • johnnywad

            Lovie’s D philosophy worked great against mediocre teams but it NEVER worked against quality offenses. It was specifically designed to force the opponent to make long drives with lots of first downs waiting for a mistake. Its THE reason the Packers owned him. They went from Favre to Rodgers. His D was like a fucking fruit salad for guys like that

          • MB30SD

            thank you sir… may I have another.

            Oh, BP has something, excuse me while I read….

      • Big Mike

        Agreed. Lovie turned a shit franchise around. Playoffs 2 of first 3 seasons. Bears teams never quit on him. He was never an embarrassment. It was time for him to go, but Coach Smith was a man of character and an excellent coach.

        • MB30SD

          he was never an embarrassment!?!?!?!?

          Remember the whole lach ‘the fans booing is bullshit’ thing? Rabbit, Doc, and I were at that game and the fans weren’t booing the players, lovie and tice made a fucking inane call with the game on the line in the 4th (if memory serves) and the fans were booing lovie. The usual absurdly bad game and time management.

          It always looked like lovie made critical decisions by spinning one of those fucking wheels.

          OMG wait… I think i just found lovies coaching strategy!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN0SYkyX09I

          • Big Mike

            That’s the x’s and o’s. I’m talking about leading the team. He was a constant through good or bad.

          • MB30SD

            yes, X’s and O’s are slightly important if you want to actually win football games and go deep at the end of the year… as a fb coach yourself mike, and you know this… maaAAAN!

          • Big Mike

            Largely this was his inability to recruit/select a good Offensive Coordinator. The rest (challenge flag, clock management) were overblown. He was below average, but not run out of town incompetent in those two areas.

          • MB30SD

            Agree to disagree he lost more than one or two games due to his complete and total inability to just be competent with game and time management.

            But then I hate dumb asses. Lovie is I’m sure a great guy, he just doesn’t strike me as a Rhodes scholar

    • http://www.bearsdraftontap.com Johnathan Wood

      Trestman talks about this in his book. He wants practices to be fast and chaotic so the games-which are fast and chaotic- feel easier.

      • MB30SD

        real football intelligence, understanding, and experience. Just makes lovie look like he got the job cause he knows someone. oh, wait…

        • http://www.bearsdraftontap.com Johnathan Wood

          he also talks about wanting to do a lot of 1s vs. 1s in team drills, so his top guys get better instead of beating up on scrubs. I love that. Put Kyle Fuller on Marshall and Jeffery, not Josh Morgan.

          • MB30SD

            Bingo. A real, good coach, not some asshat who stares at the jumbotron.

          • Trac

            This will be all fine and dandy until Jared Allen cracks Cutlers ribs in practice. A very slippery slope in today’s NFL but I like the concept behind a 1st team vs 1st team practice regiment.

            First and foremost, Emery has to win the battle in the draft room. It’s going to be very interesting to see the impact this years draft crop has on the schedule. I’m cautiously optimistic.

          • MB30SD

            I think of it this way… it LOOKS like emery uses actual strategy and doggedly sticks to it as things unwind during the draft… instead of a blindfold and a dartboard.

            Honestly, we’re already 100& ahead of where we were cause emery’s bound to get at least as luck as angelo was (since that’s honestly all he brought to the table as far as I can tell).

          • http://www.bearsdraftontap.com Johnathan Wood

            Trestman also talks about the first thing he says to his team every year in camp is that you don’t hurt the QB. Makes it a point of emphasis throughout.

  • GPLDAN

    Hubster throws Chicken Dinner under the Greyhound Bus headed back to Idaho.

    http://www.nwherald.com/2014/07/26/hub-arkush-the-defense-is-certainly-different/anfn2cw/?page=1

    He’s a much more experienced football analyst than all of us combined, and Shae does stand up straight alot of the time – Hub, however, wants him written off and Jones to get extensive reps at Strong side. In this, he’s in MB’s Jones camp.

    • MB30SD

      First, fuck Hub.

      That said…. couple things:

      “James Anderson was the Bears’ best linebacker last year and he wasn’t even invited back because the Bears refuse to quit on Emery’s first, first-round draft choice, McClellin…”

      MB: Hmmm, sounds familiar. Think I was the only one on the blog suckin’ anderson’s dick. I found that puzzling, because he WAS without a doubt the best linebacker we had last year. And while that’s hardly saying anything… he still was, and not bringing him back in lieu of letting CD bust out at position #2 is inexcusable to me.

      “McClellin looked uncomfortable and awkward. The reality might be that while he did have exceptional athletic skills for the defensive end spot – he just didn’t have the strength, power or instincts – at linebacker his athleticism is just average if that.”

      MB: A man who’s played DE his whole career (hand on the ground or not), isn’t going to be anything more than a rush end with an OLB number no matter what you try. they’re totally different positions, period. That and as I’ve said all along, I think the guy’s a B (at best) NFL athlete and talent anyway.

      “The best linebacker on the field Saturday was actually 2013 fourth-round pick, Khaseem Greene. Like Bostic, he appears much more fluid and instinctive this year and parlayed that into an interception of Jordan Palmer that he returned for a touchdown.

      Greene acknowledges Year 2 is like a different world for him.”

      MB: Also never understood why I was the only one on the bostic and to a lesser degree greene bandwagon. They got railed last year, but I watched the highlight tapes and saw preseason, and I liked what I saw. I saw an opty for both to be very solid players for us. I think we got spoiled with two grand slam linebackers on the same team, and we forgot what very good but mortal looks like. It looks like jon bostic and kaseem greene.

      “It’s possible the only natural Sam/strongside linebacker on the team is undrafted rookie free-agent Christian Jones and although he’s intriguing, he’s got a ton to learn.”

      MB: I’m driving his bandwagon. Tons of downside risk, but if he and bostic and greene take a big step this year (and CD busts out as I expect) you motherfuckers can all call me MBostradamus. and no dave, a wasted 1st rd pick isn’t worth me being able to say I told you so, but throwing more good after bad is the exact wrong strategy to take. you just don’t do it. You cut your losses the second you sense you’ve got a bust on your hand. Cause it’s not only the roster spot… if it’s true, that emery let anderson walk to give CD this last shot… that is 100% hurting this team’s chance, because James Anderson IS already a SAM and had PROVEN he can be very good at it.

      • Shady

        You’ve finally found your camp longshot-hero! Mine (Onobun) was released before camp started.

        I think if Shea can make up for what he’s lacking physically with intelligence (like Hillenmeyer did) he may have a chance. But I’m afraid to say I tend to agree with your overall assessment here.

        • MB30SD

          LUUUUUKEEEEE… I am your faaaaathaaaaah.

          Come to the darkside my son.

          (ps. you agree with me because it makes sense based on actual tape. All the other POVs have just puzzled me. They don’t compute based on fact. On fantasy and wishing, yeah, but I wish I could get 6 months in the bahamas)

          • Shady

            haha I dunno maybe I got a bit carried away with the fact Fendi was spending time and working out with the offense this spring. It’s too bad he couldn’t catch a cold.

            So sure, why not? Even though Auburn should have beat FSU and Jameis Winston en route to winning the BCS Championship, I can still root for Christian Jones. Because he’s a Chicago Bear now. And that’s all that matters.

          • MB30SD

            boom

          • SC Dave

            Luke plays for the Panthers, and is what a real linebacker looks like.

          • MB30SD

            No Dave, that’s where you’re very wrong. That’s not what a real linebacker looks like… it’s what a perennial all pro and barring catastrophic injury or enigmatic drop off in skill… an HOF LB if he can make it 8-10+ years. That, and you kinda have to sell out the farm to get onea thems. As you know, besides you, I was all in on the LK bandwagon that year. I think we need to do the same if there’s a mercurial FS in early rd 1 next year, then maybe again the following year if we can get us a new :K/Lach (assuming the guys in there this year do well).

            What we’ve got here is a failure to agree on what a solid, good, stable LB is… in my mind there’s an opty to work into that exact definition for both bostic and greene.

      • GPLDAN

        Emmmm…….Bostra-Damus.

        Mmmmmmm…..agic!

        • MB30SD

          Haha

      • http://www.bearsdraftontap.com Johnathan Wood

        Anderson was Chicago’s 3rd best LB last year until their best 2 got hurt. He’s a solid veteran, but nothing more, and they have too much youth they need to give a shot to, so bringing him back didn’t make sense.

        If the youth all fails again this year, that will look like a mistake in retrospect.

        • MB30SD

          Yeah, again, big gamble if you ask me. And it’s not so much about gambling on Greene as it is about giving cd shot #3.

          Can you tell me honestly you’d rather give that roster spot to cd than Anderson? If you say yes you’re a fucking dreamer. This is a business not fantasy fucking island. Put the best product on the field. Period.

          • johnnywad

            Hopefully its all a moot point. Briggs, Williams, Bostic, Greene and maybe even Jones are likely better players than both CD and Anderson at this point. I doubt we’ll see CD in there much nor would we have seen Anderson.

          • MB30SD

            see I don’t get this… anderson may not be briggs, but the dude was good enough to be a starting NFL LB for a long time. LIke someone said, he’s a solid vet player. As of right now, we have CD (a guy who’s never played the position in his life) and Jones (as big as my bear hardon if for him, he’s an UDFA at SAM.

            <—— he says with a very puzzled look on his face

          • johnnywad

            I agree with you on CD. Bust. At the end of the day though, Briggs, Williams, and Anderson are all old. At some point you have to start getting younger. And, like you, I see potential in Bostic and Greene. I would have kept Anderson over CD, but I still think it’s irrelevant. It’s likely the other two/three will start/play in some configuration. If the average age of your starting LB corp is 33 +/-, something has to happen. Anderson got fucked by CD’s age and draft pedigree.

          • MB30SD

            Oh I agree 200% about the age thing, but dudes ARE going to get hurt. I also get the cap thing data said, sometimes it’s better to eat the money and get a guy in who’ll actually excel at the spot, not just take it up because

          • http://www.bearsdraftontap.com Johnathan Wood

            it made no financial sense to cut McClellin this year. Would have had a $2M bigger cap hit to be cut than on roster. Only makes sense to give him a one year audition at a new job and then cut him next year if he doesn’t pan out.

            That said, I’m pissed off that they appear to be handing him the starting job. I haven’t heard a peep about Bostic taking any SAM reps at all, and that’s BS. The guy taking #2 snaps behind McClellin is an UDFA rookie, meaning they gave McClellin a job because of his draft status. That’s wrong, and I fear it’s gonna backfire in their face.

          • MB30SD

            yes. I agree with everything except the jones thing (yeah, I know, but I already threw all my chips down)… I think they’d be panicking a big more if they didn’t see potential started material in jones.

            But yes, if CD busts out again, I will not be happy.

      • AlbertInTucson

        In their defense, losing your top 3 DTs is going to have a negative impact on your LB corps, especially rookies.

      • Cormonster

        I haven’t heard one Bears fan friend even mention Anderson or his “loss” to the team. Sorry, but using Hub Arkush quotes does not strengthen your argument.

        • MB30SD

          We’ll see my man. I’m pretty confident in my abilities to judge talent when I’ve seen a lot of evidence. Admittedly the Jones thing is as much hope as tape, but I saw exactly what James Anderson was plenty last year and letting him walk in lieu of cd… and for vet min or close to it with the lack of depth and experience we have at lb was a mistake in my book. Again, hope I’m proven wrong again, but I don’t see it shaking out that way.

    • http://www.bearsdraftontap.com Johnathan Wood

      not gonna lie: right now I want Bostic, Williams, and Briggs on the field and Shea on left bench. But maybe he’ll change my mind in preseason.

      From what I’ve read so far, they’re handing Shea starting SLB job and not letting Bostic take any reps at SAM. That pisses me off. I don’t care if he has the draft status. Make him earn it.

  • GPLDAN

    Seeing some people say fans took Pat Mannelly for granted. Those people most likely pretend not to read a certain Bears-specific blog.

    Blogfather, there are only two kinds of football fans in this world.

    1. Those who religiously read DBB

    2. Those who religiously read DBB, but pretend not to.

    Can I get a Amen? I SAID CAN I GET AN AMEN!???

    • Ososfan

      AMEN!!

    • Shady

      You’re dominating this thread with your massive up-votes to posts ratio.

      • GPLDAN

        I’m the Vinny the Microwave Johnson of DBB.

    • CanadaBear

      Fuck ‘an A…………………….men!

  • AlbertInTucson

    Patrick Mannelly. How often did we even ever have to hear the term “Bad Snap”?

    • GPLDAN

      Is the long snapper from the CFL not doing the job?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Not, apparently, according to the new thread….

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd VeuveClicquot,S’ilVousPlait

    Just added “badonkadonk” to my cell’s vocab. That is all.

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