• DaMurph

    Johnny Waffle!! Got him for 7!

    • johnnywad

      Thank god. Party at Dave’s house!

      • MB30SD

        Hahahaha…

        wrong Johnny, but this works too

        • johnnywad

          I know who he meant. Just Piggybackin

          • DaMurph

            We know who’s house the party is at, hahahaha.

          • MB30SD

            indeed.

      • Sactowns#1

        Party at Daves House is a much better album https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJrpgFUIy7s

  • BearFanInDE

    That was quick!

  • BearFanInDE

    Jay and Trestman will take us to the promised land!!! WooHoo

  • BearFanInDE

    Lets get the McCown deal done now and get to fixing the D next!

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s the deal I want done. No McCown .. .no confidence .. in ANY roster. I hope Cutty’s deal came with the purview that he look after the ball better and show us all some respect.

      Nice to know Emery wasn’t sitting around in his Christmas socks slamming Baileys on ice.

  • DaMurph

    All very good signings. Slauson was happy to be here and wanted to stay. Having Jay, we have stability and the opportunity to select a groom a QB without pressure. Jennings has proven his value to this team and the only question is who will be back there with him next season. Emery has quickly settled some very important positions and can move on to phase 2. If he can keep this up and not waste another first on a chicken dinner I will be a very happy Bear fan. Bear Down!

    • SC Dave

      The one that I’m happiest about is Slauson, because I was the one I was not sure was coming.

  • beninnorcal

    Wise move for both sides IMO. Now will come the Cutler haters.

    I’ll say this though, and I don’t recall all the numbers, but from year one to year two under Martz there was noticeable improvement in his play. I’m looking forward to year 2 and beyond under Trest, sky’s the limit. Go Bears

  • Jokey

    Anyone know what Cutler will be paid?

  • MB30SD

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Wow, Phil Emery taking blame for selecting Brandon Hardin and moving him to safety.”

    Hey Cannada… know what that tells me? It was lovie’s fucking pick. I’m more sure of it now than ever. WHy would he single that pick out? I have $20 that says he get us a franchise safety this year in the draft… I just hope it’s a FS not a SS.

    • Trac

      Have any names yet as to who that should be?

  • gpldan

    “I’m proud of the relationships built in this locker room. In 25 years, the players will remember the special times we had in here.” – Trestman

    Yeah, okay Sandusky,

    • MB30SD

      Eeeeeaaaaasy!

      Yikes!

    • BearFanInDE

      Wow GP! Really?!

      • gpldan

        It was just weird at times, Trestman got a little weird at times.

      • MB30SD

        let’s not get bent out of shape. this is a virtual lockerroom. Everything is meant in jest.

        Now I gotta be the anti-PC police? sheesh.

  • MB30SD

    11 turnovers in the first 3 games…. wow. My god the injuries just fucked us. Brutal. How many did we have the rest of the year?

  • MB30SD

    there’s your shout out for flatbread GP. “A HEALTHY paea…”

    • gpldan

      So is his leg shot again? What happened to the guy?

      Also, Chicken Dinner shot across the bow.

      • MB30SD

        yeah, injury prone maings. The muscle guys get hurt. I’ve had injuries my whole career. I think he’s good when not hurt.

        Yeah, total shot across CD’s bow.

        • Irish Sweetness

          They get hurt because they don’t know how to train. Payton used to do all kinds of exercises for his anterior ligaments and muscles, have to exercise everything in proportion to its load-bearing. Muscle heads just hit the weights without engaging the brain first.

          • MB30SD

            agree mostly.

            Oh and fuck you!

            I keed I keeeeed

          • Trac

            Look at the age of the players that underperformed and also got hurt. This is a young mans game. Angelee let our D get too old while he ran the Hester, Tice and Martz experiments.

  • gpldan

    “Major and Chris would agree, they didn’t play up to the level of play we expected.”

    Uhhh… yeah.

  • Maddbearfan

    If nuthin else: Cutler is entertaining and fun to watch. Let’s see what Trestman can do.

  • BillW

    I will say emery and trestman have a real plan. We of course only see it as it plays out but they are not the Jerry and lovie clown show we grew frustrated with.

    Can’t get the feed at work. Any word on Tucker?

  • gpldan

    They flat out stonewalled on the terms of Jay’s deal. That’s BS.

  • Rodgers Dead

    My buddy from Milwaukee called me this morning to tell me that Packer Nation was relieved that we re-signed Cutler.
    My response: Tim, you misread the headline, it said Emery re-signs Cutler, Slauson and Jennings, not Angelo extends Tice, Martz, Webb, Chris and Roy Williams and Manumaleuna.
    His response: touche

    • MB30SD

      Tell tim to eat a big bag of bear dicks… with love… from me.

  • DaMurph

    Emery made a remark how Jay had stood up for Mel Tucker, I’ll take that as a sign Emery is o.k. with him and he will be back next season. From highs to lows.

  • Rodgers Dead

    Emery is going to ball out in FA and the draft on D.

  • MB30SD

    damn it, my feed just took a shit. there it is… phew.

  • BearFanInDE
    • Rodgers Dead

      Cliff Stein spread that shit over 7yrs. Very cap friendly.

      • BearFanInDE

        So can someone explain what this translates to from a cap perspective?

        • Rodgers Dead

          whatever signing bonus/guaranteed money he gets can be spread out over the entire length of the deal. It lowers the amount of money it actually counts against the total amount per year the bears can spend. I think.

          • Rodgers Dead

            Jurko thinks this is effectively a 4 or 5yr deal with the extra 2 added in to lessen the cap hit

          • SC Dave

            Not sure, but I think it is just spreading guaranteed money over the life of the contract. So it’s like you say in that it lowers the amount per year, but applies it to more years.

        • NewBearInTown

          Guarantees are can be spread out over the length of a deal up to 5 years. So for example:

          If you have a $20M deal where we pay you $10M a year, your cap number is $10M a year.

          If you have a $20M deal where you get $10M guaranteed signing bonus, $1M the first year in salary, $9M the second year in salary, then the cap number is $6M the first year, $14M the second year.

          If you give a QB a $54M guarantee over a 7 year deal, that’s a $10.8M cap hit the first five years of the deal plus whatever salary gets paid out. This year, if Jay’s base salary is $2.2M, then his cap number will be $13M.

          • George Hernandez

            Most of this is true, but only the signing bonus is what gets amortized over 5 years for the cap. Any other guaranteed bonus payment (roster bonus, workout bonus, guaranteed base salary) will be charged to the cap when paid, so if the signing bonus were say, $30M of the $54M the bears could make up the difference as guaranteed base salaries. I guarantee the money in the 1st 5 years of the deal ends up being something like $80M and the remaining $46M is non-guaranteed base salaries the last two years. Also look for all guaranteed money to be paid out the 1st 3-4 years of the deal. He wont make it to years 6 and 7 of that deal.

          • NewBearInTown

            I think the $80/$46 split is probably about right. But you see teams convert regular salary to roster bonuses all the time, I might have the terminology wrong, but it is done commonly. Workout bonuses, guaranteed base, etc., I agree those don’t get spread out over future years.

          • BearFanInDE

            Thanks NewBear! How guaranteed is the guaranteed part? Does the $54M get paid out, irrespective of whether Jay plays for 7 years?

    • Sactowns#1

      “First three years” tells me a lot of that is signing bonus money which means it wont hit us as hard against the cap. Come on Phil- get us a couple of monster D-linemen and a stud safety. Thats all I’m asking for.

      • MB30SD

        you and me both my man… you and me both (cept I’ll take 2 new stud safeties please)

  • MB30SD

    “it doesn’t have to be an option to line up shea at OLB. It doesn’t have to be a 3-4… all of that will be on the table to see how we can get more out of it.”

    Trest on shea and the D scheme

    • gpldan

      Has there ever been more churn about an underperforming 1st rounder than Shae?

      Also, did you hear Emery just then?

      “Shae was in the mold of other players that Lovie had played in his system.

      Sounds like Phil just laid Chicken Dinner at Lovie’s feet. Was his guy.

      • MB30SD

        Bang! Bang!

        My evil theory keeps gaining steam Canada! The only pick in that draft that was emery’s was Ashlon.

        This offseason will prove it beyond a doubt. I’m calling for an A draft grade… all D players… all critical gaps plugged. Let’s do this emery!!

        • Irish Sweetness

          Center. We got lucky this year Garza wasn’t injured, but it’s time to move on and get us a mauler.

          • MB30SD

            we all agree there.

            DLinmen, safeties, and a center. Top needs hands down without argument.

        • CanadaBear

          My favorite part so far has been Emery coming straight out and saying my bad for Hardin. THAT was proof positve to you that it was Lovie’s pick. Yeah, OK that makes a lot of sense. ESP since we all agree Emery is a stand up guy and no bullshit.

          • bearsfantillend

            He is in charge, he is going to take the blame, he is not going to throw coaches under the bus.

          • MB30SD

            yes.

            Just like they took a shitload of time today to blow tucker…. right before they shitcan him.

            Someone’s got to bet against black canada. Wouldn’t be very interesting if we all agreed. Besides, bad white safety… if our coach wasn’t lovie at the time I might agree with you, but it’s just too obvious. Bad white safeties WAS lovie’s thing.

  • gpldan

    So if we tagged Jay we took a $16M hit against the cap, but now he’s being payed $18M this first year.

    Not sure about that. That’s Waffle level love.

    • Rodgers Dead

      they probably did it so they could get him to agree to a 7yr deal??

      • gpldan

        He gets $54M in the first three years according to Fox.

        That’s not a Flacco bank breaker, but it’s healthy.

        • Rodgers Dead

          it leaves a lot of room for re-signings. It’s gangster that they got Slauson and Jennings done at the same time.

          • gpldan

            You got your way. Let’s see what Cutler does next year, Kristin can go buy that Porsche now.

          • MB30SD

            like she couldn’t before? 1st world problems.

          • gpldan

            She wanted the Panamera Turbo S.

          • MB30SD

            so do I (not really)

          • Irish Sweetness

            I was just thinking that … she just creamed herself. Master of the pregnancy, that’s all you gotta be.

          • MB30SD

            master of the blow job doesn’t hurt either.

            There’s going to be a little discussion with any future Ms. MB if that ever happens again. It will go something like this, “if the sex goes once you get a ring, I will go”

            No more fucking around this time.

          • Rodgers Dead

            Maybe we can have the number 1 scoring offense in the league instead of measly number 2.

          • SC Dave

            Assuming no one gets hurt, its may be possible. We need a right tackle though, pending Mills getting right and you never know about that stuff.

          • NewBearInTown

            We need depth on the line period. We were fortunate this year to have no injuries. That’s why we need to look at drafting a center whether or not we keep Garza. Right now, he has no backup.

          • Rodgers Dead

            he broke the fifth metatarsal in his foot. he’ll be fine. Also we just picked up a nice project for Kromer. His name is Joe Long and he’s the brother of Jake Long. 6’5 310 and raw.

        • ex-ed

          According to nfltraderumors.com:

          The Bears announced that they signed QB Jay Cutler to a seven-year contract on Thursday. According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, Cutler will receive $126 million over seven years with $54 million guaranteed.

          Here’s how Cutler’s deal stacks up to the recent contracts signed by NFL quarterbacks:

          Matt Ryan (28):

          six years, $113.75M total, $59M guaranteed, $18,96M annually.

          Tony Romo (33):

          seven years, $119.5M total, $55M guaranteed, $17.07M annually.

          Aaron Rodgers (30):

          seven years, $130.75M total, $54M guaranteed, $18,67M annually.

          Jay Cutler (30):

          seven years, $126M total, $54M guaranteed, $18M annually.

          Joe Flacco (28):

          six-years, $120.6M total, $52M guaranteed, $20.1M annually.

          Matthew Stafford (25):

          five years, $76.5M total, $41.5M guaranteed, $15.3M annually.

          The players are of course listed by the total guarantees in their
          respective contracts simply because this is the most important number to
          consider when sizing up player’s contracts.

          Cutler’s deal is surprisingly very close to the deal signed by Aaron Rodgers
          last year, which made him the highest paid quarterback in the league at
          that time. The fact that Cutler was set to become an unrestricted free
          agent probably impacted the team’s decision to go this high on a
          long-term deal, but the team hasn’t wavered in their support for Cutler.

          Chicago is a good shape with regards to their cap space, just as
          Green Bay was when they locked up Rodgers, so this shouldn’t have a big
          impact on their finances until a few years into the deal.

          The next quarterbacks to watch with regards to long-term deals includes Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, and Colin Kaepernick.

    • Rodgers Dead

      lol, after a second yr in this offense even Dave will be blowing Cutty.

      • SC Dave

        I’ll leave that task to you as I could not hope to overcome your superior skill – what with all that practice you have.

        • Rodgers Dead

          okay, when we get even better I’ll blow him…but you have to watch

    • Irish Sweetness

      He makes the same as Pep next year ….

      • Rodgers Dead

        oh, Pep is not making that money next year.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I hope not.

  • MB30SD

    looking forward to hearing NB’s thoughts.

  • Jokey

    Can someone post a link to this presser?

    • Jokey
      • MB30SD

        did you just ask, then answer, your own question?

        Nicely done.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Emery’s on now. I love what I’m hearing. He’s calling it Chicago’s team, not just Ginnie’s – every player is important. Trestman has sole rights to hire and fire.

  • gpldan

    “I’m not getting into guys under contract, but Julius had a 8-8 season, that’s what I have to say about that.”

    That sounds alot like “No more Orange Julius for you” to me.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Ooooooooooooh. Bye Pep. You had a great career. Just not in Chicago.

  • MB30SD

    he’s sucking briggsy’s dick right now

    • Rodgers Dead

      lol, because he has to keep Briggsy from forcing his way out of town to Tampa.

      • MB30SD

        yep

  • gpldan

    Emery pissed off by the Cutler diabeeetus question.

  • MB30SD

    talking about tucker now…. listen up

    • Bender McLugh

      yeah, seems Tucker will have a chance to build his own D

      • BearFanInDE

        So Tucker stays?

        • MB30SD

          no, nothing is official. Def leaving it open for a change if they feel its necessary

          But they’re basically saying he got screwed having to keep the old D in place.

          • NewBearInTown

            I have to wonder if Emery doesn’t have his eye on an assistant for one of the playoff teams, like a D-line coach or something. Waiting until after the playoffs to pull the trigger.

            I also wonder if they aren’t looking at Ray Horton. Best D-coordinator in the business right now. If the Browns hire someone that doesn’t want to keep him on board, Emery might make a move to grab him.

            But I don’t think that’s how the Bears do business. If they’re going to move on, they’ll move on right away and be up front with Tucker.

            More likely they genuinely haven’t finished evaluating him yet. That process shouldn’t take more than the week. Then there will be a sit down where Mel will get the chance to say “I can fix this” and Trestman/Emery (mostly Trestman) will make the call.

    • gpldan

      What he’s saying is

      Tucker is a good teacher, he got screwed by the injuries.

      He drones on about how well the D played the first three games, until we lost Collins.

  • Bender McLugh

    I really really really like Emery-Trestman. Ballers.

  • Trac

    Not sure about this Cutty deal. We still have hope that the stability of a solid offense will quell his issues. I’m all in. What choice do I have? Actually, I’m more interested in Phils approach to fixing the D than I ever was about Cutty’s deal. Lets go get em Phil!

    • Rodgers Dead

      you have no choice. You’ll take it and you’ll like it.

      • MB30SD

      • SC Dave

        “Jay is our quarterback” – Lovie SC

    • MB30SD

      with you on part II of your post.

  • MB30SD

    Here’s my net-net take away thus far…

    These guys are very smart and they have a master long-term plan. They don’t do anything off the cuff or willy nilly (scientific term).

    They will do what they feel is right based on facts, stats, and scouting they think will fix our gaps and turn this team into a playoff team.

    The glaring difference is the level of organization and the obvious hard commitment to a well thought out long term strategy.

    Juxtaposed to JA and Lovie it’s glaring… just so incredibly glaring the level of buffoonery that’s evident in the last regime when compared to this one.

    Now, the execution and luck has to be there obviously, but just having management that isn’t staring at clouds and throwing darts blindfolded feels so so so much better.

  • gpldan

    Slauson got a 4 year deal.

    Jay is actually coming up to the podium soon.

  • Bender McLugh

    so……who’s the best MLB Bears can target in the draft?

    • gpldan

      Chicken Dinner?

      • Bender McLugh

        lol just might be

    • Sactowns#1

      Theres no need to draft a MLB, espescially in the 1st round. Get us a couple stud D ends.

      • Bender McLugh

        gotchya on the 1st rounder and totally agree. Makes me think we may not have a stud MLB in 2014…

        • MB30SD

          DJ Williams is a stud. Check his career stats

          • Bender McLugh

            holy shit, forgot about DJ…….

          • MB30SD

            I’ll go on the record as saying I think we should bring back williams and anderson. Both were very good before injuries and on a brutal D

          • Rodgers Dead

            i don’t think they want DJ back. He totally ignored the question about him coming back and focused on the Melton part of the question.

          • MB30SD

            we need an anchor at IMLB… unless we move to 3-4, then everything’s up in the air

          • Rodgers Dead

            i would think that you bring DJ back cheap but he tore his pec muscle from his chest. that’s fucked up.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How the fuck do you tear your own tit off? Help me out.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I recall him semi-sucking while playing for us though….

  • MB30SD

    ok, I just listened to trestman… my gut says mel is gone. Just my pure gut

    • gpldan

      Well, Leslie is still out there now that Lovie grabbed Old Sauce.

    • MB30SD

      here’s another one… we’re going to a 4-3

      • Bender McLugh

        I missed that…..changing to a 4-3 now? Should be interesting….

        • MB30SD

          no. just my pure gut feel based on me reading between the lines

          • Bender McLugh

            ahh gotchya

  • gpldan

    Flash Poll:

    Who has better NFL career – Teddy Bridgewater or RG3?

    • bearsfantillend

      Bridgewater

    • Bender McLugh

      not RG3 – he broken.

  • Sactowns#1

    Awesome. Phil confirms theyre going to draft heavily defense

    • MB30SD

      i think that was a forgone conclusion. anything else would be lunacy.

      • Sactowns#1

        Have you not seen the Chicago Bears draft before?

        • MB30SD

          I’ve seen JA draft before… that’s over with.

          In emery I trust. This draft is make or break. If he hits it out of the park, he’s our man. If not….

    • SC Dave

      We shall see.

  • Bender McLugh

    “Lance made the call (for an all-out Blitz), and Chris missed the call”. ABCYA Conte.

  • MB30SD

    ok, I promised I wouldn’t bring up conte again, but trestman POINT BLANK just said conte was the only one in zone everyone else was in man. wow.

  • gpldan

    Biggsy tweets that Emery says he wants Garza to return at Center for his 32nd year in the league.

    Biggsy then hits the Portillo’s drive-thru

  • gpldan

    “I’m happy for Jay, He SHOULD make that much money” – Boomer E on the Score now.

  • MB30SD

    slauson on now. looks like he’s one of the duck dynasty guys

  • MB30SD
    • gpldan

      meh

  • gpldan

    Boomer thinks whomever gets Detroit as HC steps into a golden goose situation and can pull an Andy Reid.

    He also thinks Lovie will trade Revis Island, as that’s not his kind of CB.

    • MB30SD

      agree on detroit. We can only hope they get another dud.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Asomugha and Aqib Talib are on the market too.

  • MB30SD

    so far couple of MY takeaways, nothing official:
    * Pep gone
    * Garza back, but better be VERY cheap
    * Tucker gone
    * we’re moving to a 3-4

    Just my gut guesses based on what I read between the lines.

    • gpldan

      Well then let’s go get Dom Capers. Because Frazier is not a 3-4 guy.

      Truth is, there aren’t many guys who can bring in EVERYBODY – DB coaches, LB coaches, the whole shebang, that are set and ready to go 3-4. That’s why Hub says it will never happen. Of course, because Hub said that, it probably will.

      • MB30SD

        Yep… thing is that right now is the best possible time to get it done. EVERYTHING on the D is in flux and we’re starting almost completely over anyway, so if there’s a desire to do it, now is def the time.

        Don’t think capers will ever come here.

        Yes on hub. guy sucks.

        • gpldan

          Tucker is going to stay, he gets his Jacksonville D playbook and a gambling 4-3.

          Shae is either worked out at Sam, which to me is a very odd place for him, in replacement of Anderson, or at Mike with Bostic at Sam.

          • gpldan

            Part of Tucker’s issue is that Pep, Briggs and Peanut all fostered a kind of rebellion that Old Sauce left because Lovie left. They weren’t happy, and Pep checked out.

            With Pep gone and I think Peanut is going to Tampa, all is left is Briggs. Now is an excellent time to tell Shae to lose weight gain speed and get ready to play LB.

          • MB30SD

            agree with everything up to the last sentence. (see below)

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            First I’d heard of a Pep/Briggs/Peanut semi rebellion over Lovie being gone. Disappointment, sure. But from whence dost such talk of rebellion hail?

          • gpldan

            That was straight from McNeil this morning whose sit-in guest was Haugh.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            Haugh. That would be David Haugh of the Chicago Tribune, whose career dream seems to be that of head Obituary Writer?

          • Irish Sweetness

            If Pep did indeed check out because he lost the sideline Yoda, then fuck him. Alarm bells rang when we signed him and he went out and bought everyone in the restaurant champagne. That was a statement. That’s a money guy.

          • Trac

            Pepps is too old, time caught up with him. He never seemed to wreak the havoc he was supposed to when he got to Chicago. Is it just me?

          • MB30SD

            I don’t get the CD to linebacker love on this board. I’d get it if we were in a 3-4, but not in this scheme.

            It’s chris conte (and/or hardin and/or hester) the career corner to FS. Total project move. Just fucking cut the guy and move on

          • gpldan

            I’m sick of the guy too. If we cut him, the Pats or the Pack will sign him within the day. He’s a big upgrade over AJ Hawk.

          • MB30SD

            welcome to him. He doesn’t work with us and our scheme… good luck to him.

            Can we have jones?

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s quick, he’s a linebacker IMHO. Can’t blame the guy for not succeeding in a position where he could never succeed.

          • SC Dave

            If I were to bet on one, it would be Mike. While Shea is too small for a DE, he is definitely big enough for a LB. But is he fast enough?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I like CD at mike if he hit the weights …. with Bostic at SAM. JA on the bench.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I thought Frazier was headed for Tampa?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hub said we’re not going to a 3-4 ? Then we’re going 3-4. Bank it.

        I love that people are either 3-4 coaches or 4-3 coaches, like their brains aren’t big enough to cope with the earth-shattering implications of other-worldly systems.

        • bearsfantillend

          sshhh! don’t tell MB – i hear its as hard as switching from an ILB to an OLB.

    • Rodgers Dead

      Wooton back. Emery says he “transcends scheme”

      • MB30SD

        if the price is right maings

        • Rodgers Dead

          meant he won’t be gone based on scheme.

  • MB30SD

    timmyj up now

  • MB30SD

    ohhhh… after hearing what timmyj says about peanut… doesn’t sound like peanut’s gonna be back.

    Fuck.

    • Rodgers Dead

      peanut is done man. good for 6 games next year

      • Bender McLugh

        damn…..TJ also saying Conte will be back. Could be wrong about both?

        • MB30SD

          I didn’t hear that… I heard timmy doesn’t THINK his career isn’t over… but it is here.

          …at the very least as the starter (unless tragedy happens)

          • gpldan

            Conte has stones.

          • MB30SD

            in his shoes?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mwah!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Disappearing immediately after Sunday’s games is not displaying “Stones”.

          • BerwynBomber

            Heard Briggs did that. Didn’t know Conte refused to speak to the media too.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            He’s taken a dump truck load of shit this season. Missing that last pick on Rodgers had to have made him feel like hell. I’m not going to hold him skipping out on the press against him. Not after the beatings he’s taken routinely after ever game.

          • SC Dave

            !! How many of you haters would have stuck around for that crap were it you?

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            I’m married, Dave. I don’t get to leave after I change clothes. Besides, I was defending the guy.

          • CanadaBear

            That’s why I keep saying he can’t come back. The fans will kill him. They were brutal to the Sex Cannon and they’re circling the wagons now. Conte looked shell shocked on that last play. His confidence is shot.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If I’m the defensive captain ? It’s my job to take shit after games. Brian did it.

          • NewBearInTown

            Conte will be like Steltz this year, he’ll back up whoever we bring in. Better Conte than someone off the street if the fancy FA or first rounder or whatever gets injured.

      • SC Dave

        I don’t see why Conte would not be in OTA and camp. Making the team is another story, but they aren’t paying him squat and no one will trade for him.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Who does Steltz have to fuck to get a game? Seriously, what has the guy done wrong for us?

    • AlbertInTucson

      I don’t think the CAP will allow them to keep Peanut.

  • Bender McLugh

    WHATUP CUTTY

  • MB30SD

    Jay on

  • Saren Arterius

    All the media speculation and the “Bears may move on from Cutler” articles written were a complete waste of fucking time. Emery pretty much said he was going to do this (along with trying to retain McCown), and did. I appreciate that he spared me from months of stupid speculation.

    • MB30SD

      they need a paycheck maings.

  • MB30SD

    jay looks tired. worn.

    • BerwynBomber

      I think he was fighting a cold during the GB game.

      • MB30SD

        he sounds sick.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He was very sick in the GB game, didn’t sound good at the presser then. So was I, and minding two three-year olds on my own for a week but nobody gives a fuck. And I don’t get 54 million dollars guaranteed. FML.

          Seriously – how much is a kidney worth? Wait, no. Liver? Fuck, no. I can’t even sell any organs.

  • gpldan

    2014 is the year Joe Anderson makes the first of 7 trips to the Pro Bowl. Sure of it.

    #scrappy

    • Rodgers Dead

      that’s so 2013. This is the year of Marquess Wilson.
      #highupside

      • Bender McLugh

        was about to post something similar……..do you think Wilson will replace Earl? Not sure that Earl will be back, still love the guy of course.

        • CanadaBear

          Possibly. It’s all about the money. I’m sure he appreciated all the time the team gave him to attend to his personal problem. (Earl tweeted something about praying for his brother). But if he can get a lot more dough I’m sure he’s gone. Hope that doesn’t happen. That was a nice piece to add to the offense late in the year. In short yardage Earl finds the hole in the coverage, sits down and TD!

      • gpldan

        Poor Joe.

        • Rodgers Dead

          Someone will pick up Joe.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Tolliver. Bank it.

    • Bender McLugh

      Cutler just said Wilson will join BMarsh in the offseason program with Alshon. Awesome.

  • gpldan

    2014 is the first year that Sam Hurd realizes his prison bunk smells vaguely of urine.

    #incarcerated

    • MB30SD

      ; {

  • Rodgers Dead

    Marquess going to South Florida.
    #theriseofmarquess

  • Irish Sweetness

    Jay just said he doesn’t feel any pressure now. great.

    http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2013/06/30/thailands-top-ten-hottest-ladyboys-instagram

    Blokes. Each and every one. NTTAWWT.

    • Rodgers Dead

      uh nope. i watched the presser. Way to take it out of context. He said that he doesn’t feel any extra pressure because of the contract situation and now he and the guys can make winning and improvement their only focus.
      give it a rest bro.

      • MB30SD

        here’s my deal irish.

        1. You can’t change it so might as well see what year 2 in the same good system with great weapons looks like for once.

        2. What were the alternatives and were they better? If your answer is McCown, well, I think he’ll still be a bear in 2014.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Deal done. Over it. Nothing to be said now. But Cutty without McCown on board is a nightmare waiting to happen. I can’t see it happening, somebody will pay him.

          McCown is the better QB, but it’s over now.

  • BerwynBomber

    So what did TJ say that made DBBers think Peanut is gone?

  • AlbertInTucson

    “(2) There is no reason for Trestman to verbally disparage Tucker if the decision may be to release him. Tucker has solid league reputation.”

    What, in Marc Trestman’s demeanor as Bears’ Head Coach to date, would lead anybody to believe that he would ever disparage a member of his staff in public?

    • gpldan

      Maybe not his staff, but I was surprised by how overtly negative Trestman was about McClellin.

      • Still a Doug Plank Fan

        He was defending him pretty firmly earlier in the season.

      • SC Dave

        Maybe he thinks that’s the right way to motivate him?

        • MB30SD

          don’t think it’s a motivation problem, I think it’s a lack of talent problem (at least as a 4-3 end)

          • SC Dave

            Let’s hope not, eh?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t see how talent overcomes his physical dimensions. He’s either too tall, or not heavy enough. How could anyone look at CD and say he looks like a DE?

  • gpldan

    Lions announce they re-sign Charles Rodgers at slot receiver.

    “We needed to help him help himself.”

    Also, the new HC will be Matt Millen.

  • gpldan

    Al,

    Certainly Cutler’s resign warrants a Burma Shave, no?

  • NewBearInTown

    Marshall just tweeted “BOOM, Jay 7 for 126”
    But that might not be official. $126M is just 7 times $18M, which is the reported average of the deal.

    • TheBigCheesy

      “The Zito”

      • Rodgers Dead

        you wish cheese. Just admit that the packer run is over. Angelo tried to help you as much as he could but he just couldn’t keep fucking the Bears. It feels good to have the pendulum swing.

        • SC Dave

          You ejaculate prematurely, Johnny.

          They still got Rodgers.

          • beninnorcal

            Let’s see if Rodgers gets them past SF this weekend then maybe you got a point, one man does not make a whole team, don’t care who it is. SF defense>Bears defense

          • Irish Sweetness

            Angelo was a Packers’ plant. He gone.

        • TheBigCheesy

          I was merely commenting on the fact that 7/126 is the exact split for Barry Zito’s contract in 2007.

          “It feels good to have the pendulum swing.”

          You’re awesome, dude. There’s not much else to say. If you can stay upbeat after the Bears lost the division at home to their hated rival after said rival suffered through 8 games without the league’s best player, then good on ya, brother.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And suffer they did, Cheesy. A one-faceted team. We have a better QB roster than you (hey Irish, we haven’t signed McCown yet…. SHHHH!).

  • Jokey

    3 cheers for the new site!!! So easy to keep up on updates.

  • Trac

    Just got done grading ALL(quantity<quality) your papers MB. Massive fail, tighten up your grammar pal. Hee hee.

  • Trac

    Glitchy returns.

  • TheBigCheesy

    SEVEN MORE YEARS OF CUTTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Be careful what you cheer for……

    • Rodgers Dead

      no more years of Martz, TIce and smurf WR’s.!!!!
      With even an average D this year you fall to the Bears and only the dimmest of Packers fans know this. They are just too big of a collective D bag to admit it so they keep brining up an irrelevant past that will never be repeated.
      It’s going to be a depressing next couple of years in GB because it’s fucking green bay and because I guarantee that GB will not win another NFC North title for at least 5yrs.

      • Still a Doug Plank Fan

        You summarized that with deadly accuracy. Anyone in GB who’s going to sleep on the Bears because we just resigned Jay Cutler is beyond help.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Five years, eh? Classic Waffle.

        • Rodgers Dead

          5 fucking years pal. Book it. Angelo fucked us out of at least 5yrs of dominance. That shit show is over so unless you somehow invent 6’5 DB’s and find a way to incapacitate 6 or 7 of our D starters and rotation players per year the tide will turn.

          • TheBigCheesy

            File under: “Waffle’s cute fanboy delusions”

          • Irish Sweetness

            A 6’5 DB .. .250 lbs .. .now that’s the shit I’m talking about. YES!! Free Safety?
            How about NO SAFETY … just DANGER!!

  • Still a Doug Plank Fan

    I’m all in on these signings, and though I was calling for McCown to replace Cutler for the rest of the season, I’m behind him 100% because he wears the Navy & Orange. Never thought he was “bad”, just thought McCown fit better or learned the O faster, whatever.

    That brings me to Conte. If he stays, then I’m all in, period. I may wish we had someone better, someone more Fencik-esque, etc., but if he’s back in a Bears uni next season, then so be it.

    As for Tucker, I think most of you have articulated it much better than I can. He had orders to tinker with nothing and just go along for the ride – but was likely told that 2014, he’d be given the keys to the car. So again, if he stays, I’m all in.
    CD? God, one of those that he’s either STILL a great player trapped in the wrong D/position, or he’s a mistake. I have no idea.

    Peppers? Goodbye. I hope.

    Melton? Well, let’s see how the felony plays out…(SMFH)

    And on the gift that keeps on giving…..Cutler & Marshall, + Alshon and now Wilson…men that want to make it happen in a big way. That dynamic, that began oh so long ago in Denver, is the most impressive story in the NFL right now.

  • NewBearInTown

    We won’t know the real deal for Jay until we see the splits and the guaranteed money. If the first three years ($54M) are guaranteed, then that gives a cap number of $11M per year over the first five years (you can only spread the signing bonus over 5 years).

    I suspect we’ll see years six and seven be worth more than $20M each and be avoidable for the team. I suspect we’ll also see the team able to convert future salary into roster bonuses (a bonus for being on the roster at the start of a season) which allows money to be pushed out into year 6 or 7.

    His base salary in 2014 could be as little as $1M, giving a cap number of $12M according to what I just wrote, but that starts pushing the rest of the deal’s cap figures higher again. The thing is, the splits aren’t that important if the team has the ability to convert them to roster bonuses; they can always be pushed to the back of the deal. The only problem that happens is if you use that too much (*cough* Peppers) you have an unworkable contract.

    All in all its a good deal. Cutler is on the low end of the recent rash of signings (Stafford, Romo, Ryan, Rodgers and Brady extensions). He makes more than Stafford (like 0.4M per year) and less than Rodgers. The hometown discount was not playing the market to try to be the highest paid QB in the league, which would have happened if he wanted it to.

    • Rodgers Dead

      you’re our very own DBB Cliff Stein. You bring great value.

      • Still a Doug Plank Fan

        Yeah, what you said.

    • BerwynBomber

      It’s a YBD at this point, is it not? If it is 54M guaranteed, I think that is the highest in the league, along with Rodgers’s.

      • NewBearInTown

        Probably will be the biggest of the year (had to think that one through for a minute). No other quarterbacks left to sign deals (unless Rivers signs an extension I guess).

        So far the big loser in QB deals is the Ravens. They’re the only team I’ve seen so far to sign a deal that just doesn’t make sense. It probably made Flacco some money, but as Cutler said, it will probably keep him from winning as many championships.

        • BerwynBomber

          But Flacco’s “only” 29M guaranteed. Do you mean the Ravens structured it poorly in terms of the cap? If I’m hearing the #s correctly, I believe Cutler’s deal is the second richest ever behind only Rodgers, whose overall was 130/7 to Jays’ 126/7 and each with the same guaranteed. Anyway, nature of the beast these days.

          • NewBearInTown

            Flacco’s is worse. His deal will be close to $25M against the cap within a few years. If you look at the splits, the team got killed. And Flacco’s agent wasn’t shy about gloating afterwards either.

    • Sactowns#1

  • NewBearInTown

    Love the Slauson and Jennings signings. Need to see numbers to decide if they were on target, but those are two key vets wrap up for their prime playing years.

  • NewBearInTown

    Another thought on the press conference, James Anderson was a solid outside linebacker this year on a one year deal. Emery is talking about moving Shea and Bostic to OLB. We’ve also got Green going into his second year and we already have Briggs. That’s five guys just at OLB. Who gets cut? Anderson is the easiest to let go, but probably the safest to have start.

    Meanwhile we’re left with DJ Williams and nobody else playing MLB. So we might be looking at that same spot in the draft this year.

    • gpldan

      Emery spent what I thought was an unusual amount of time praising DJ Williams. So I would take that to mean DJ Williams brings toughness to the locker room and will be back.

      You know Bostic can back him up like Roach backed up Lack. So I would expect that to be the case. I expect to see Shae backing up at Sam and perhaps used on blitz packages unless Briggs defects to Tampa, then expect him to start and Bostic to be the new Will side LB.

      • NewBearInTown

        Briggs is under contract, he’s not going anywhere this year. The only player who legitimately has a chance to go to Tampa is Peanut.

        But it does sound plausible that Bostic switches to the strong side and slides over to Mike as the backup. Would be interesting to see if he is groomed to replace Briggs in a year or two.

        But if the starting backers are Briggs – Williams – Bostic, you have to wonder if Anderson has a spot on the team. That’s part of the talk about switching to 3-4, we have more talent available at linebacker so it gets them on the field.

        • MB30SD

          so again, I’m confused about moving bostic to OLB. It’s a completely different position than IMLB… and he’s never played OL in his life. So why does everyone think this/want this to happen… or that it’s even a smart move? If we want a great d and we need players at specific spots, I’d advocate picking up players that have played those positions their entire careers… yes, some moves can work, like D line positions and possibly a rover to safety or a nickle to corner, but big changes are rough.

          In my mind Anderson was the best LB on the field (except for non-fat briggsy of course), so taking injury out of the equation, it seems like briggs and anderson on the outside is a very strong line up with greene backing them up. And I like DJ in the middle with bostic backing him up.

          So if we’re going to take risks we could possibly try to fill all of the dline needs and both safety positions in FA/the draft and make out reasonably well at LB if no one goes down for a big part of the season. That said, it’s always NICE to have depth so picking up an extra guy who can back up both positions would be great. My $.02.

          • bearsfantillend

            I guess you are going to have to enlighten us in the difference between the middle linebacker position and an outside linebacker position. And why you think that a switch is so wrong and so hard for a player. You have stated several times that the difference is so great yet have yet to give specific, to all of us it does not seem like a big change. We have seen Linebackers move from inside to outside and vice versa without much problems.

          • MB30SD

            Maybe it’s a lot of my own experiences preconceived notions giving too much weight, and I don’t think it’s impossible, but you have to have the right guy who can make the switch. The move from OLB to the inside actually seems easier to me.

            The basic difference is that an inside tends to be more of a run stuffer first and a pass coverage guy next. Everything is in front of you, and when you drop back into pass coverage you basically turn into a rover or you have the man out of the back field if there is one – we got spoiled with lach who could do both. An OLB has contain and is usually responsible for a TE if he’s strongside.

            Now, I do pull from my own experience.. and I only played ILB through HS in a 3-4 D. I was asked to play OLB one game when our started went down. I thought it would be similar but it was a total and complete different set of skills and experience. Now, that may just be because I’m not a good enough athlete to make the transition, which is highly possible, but I also saw what I saw and it’s a big transition for a guy that’s played on position for ever down in his career to switch. I made the move to SS in college and I found that transition much more natural… like an ILB but with much more freedom to rove.

            It’s just not an efficient move in my mind and takes the right guy… I personally just feel bostic is a prototypical IMLB and doesn’t look to have the body to be on the outside (he reminds me of singletary). If it’s an emergency stopgap, I get it… but why do it when you can just draft or pick up a real OLB?

          • bearsfantillend

            Bostic doesn’t look to have the body to be on the outside? Briggs 6-1 244 lbs and Bostic 6-1 246 lbs. pretty much the same size and from what i saw the same body type for both guys. If it comes down to us having the possibility to draft a STUD MLB, i take em and shift Bostic to the outside, or if we have someone say DJ Williams that is better currently at MLB position, i switch him to the outside so we have the best players on the field giving us the best possibility to win.

          • MB30SD

            guess it comes down to the guy at the spot. Can he make the move and be good at a spot he’s never played.

          • bearsfantillend

            Thats what the offseason is for. If he can’t, pretty sure coaches would know pretty quickly, then we just have better depth at MLB, and most likely a stud on STs too.

          • MB30SD

            didn’t know they played games in the offseason

          • bearsfantillend

            sorry considered offseason as – OTAs/Training Camp/Preseason games.

          • gpldan

            MB –

            The reason I keep talking about Bostic outside is that it’s what Emery said. Emery said they would like him outside. I will try and find the article, but I’m sure of it.

            When I heard it, I found it interesting and made a mental note. It makes sense, his speed and hitting makes him a good Briggs heir, and I don’t think it’s that hard to switch FROM Mike as it is to switch TO Mike, as it took Roach 3 years to not suck at it, and once he got good, the Raiders snapped him up.

            Bostic looks lost at Mike, and I don’t know how much of that you can attribute to his rookie year.

          • Rodgers Dead

            Bostic looked very lost at Mike GP, completely agree.

          • MB30SD

            maybe it’s just me and i’m smoking crack, but see my response above to dave. CD seems like an OL in a 3-4. much more of an stand up speed rusher who can also drop if needed.

            I’ll tell you one thing… he def isn’t a 4-3 end. B-U-S-T at that spot.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            I think you and I were one of the few ones saying Bostic would be better at Will. That’s why I kept thinking that Briggs would be gone next season.

            Bostic can blow ppl up, which is nice for a MLB, but guess what, Briggs is a hammer too, and that’s what I see Bostic as. Just a hammer, but swings wildly.

            Need a thinker/leader at MLB. Luckily for us, those are cheap in FA, and cover-2 MLB tend to fall in the draft.

            At 14, We might be able to get the top MLB OR S, depending on how the chips fall. I just wished the Bills didn’t jump us and drafted Kiko Alonso before we got Bostic. HE def is a MLB, and maybe we can get lucky and find someone like him at the top of the 2nd.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dudes. LBs we have. DTs we do not. DEs we do not. LB is the LAST position we need to draft.

          • gpldan

            Sad cat is sad that we passed on Vontaze as he fell of the board entirely due to his doucheness and would have essentially been free.

          • NewBearInTown

            I think that all the time. I also wish we could have gotten Luke Keuchly.

            But with Burfict, I have to wonder if anyone other than Cincy could have turned him around. He had serious issues, but that team is good at helping guys get through those.

          • gpldan

            yes – Lewis has essentially the 80s Raiders going on out there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bostic is bigger than Singletary ….

            So hey, Samurai for DC ? LB coach at least……

          • Irish Sweetness

            I agree. It’s just football. Playing LB inside or outside .. what’s the diff? Assignments.

            Ditto DB. All the guff about FS/SS. Safeties are safeties. Last line of defense. End of. Whether I’m covering a TE or a RB, I mean, they’re just players. Look at the guys who play football, it’s not hard.

          • SC Dave

            Do you make Shea that “extra guy”? May be the plan.

          • johnnywad

            Can’t hurt. He’s a waste a DE. Try him there and if it doesn’t work, time to swallow their pride and admit he’s a bust.

          • MB30SD

            I personally don’t think shea is any type of LB in our scheme dave. I think you cut him and your losses and let him go to a 3-4 team.

            He reminds me much more of a kerrigan type on the skins. He’s not a real LB type he’s a hybrid/speed stand-up end rusher. But I guess that’s just me?

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            I’m not sure Shea can’t play Mike in our 4-3. He’s got a lot of the same characteristics as Lach, even the not being able to shed a block part.

            Lach was a little more quick-twitch, and maybe is a little smarter (footballwise, that is), but Shea is a superior pass rusher which in a non-cover 2 might come in handy more.

            What a waste of 2 years if they do switch Shea. We’ve all been wondering why he’s not at LB since the draft.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m sure it has everything to do with Lovie and absolutely no one else still associated with the Bears.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Nancy Kerrigan? That’s rough.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You too MB? Anderson? Really? I thought he was chode for us. Total liability, but most of them were.

        • SC Dave

          Still don’t understand the Bostic love. The guy has really shown next to nothing.

          • MB30SD

            while I agree (kind of) you have to give the kid a little break. He def isn’t a Kuechly type taken in the early 1st. he was a mid/late 2nd rounder so expecting him to be thrown into the NFL mix after 5 games is unfair in my book.

            We all saw he’s not going to be a lach or Kuechly, but those guys are both going to be HOF guys (if Kuechly keeps playing the way his is for at least 10)… but I bet you anything he can be a solid middle of the road type guy if given a chance.

            I saw his college tape and he was very good. He showed flashes this year. Let’s see what an actual dline and another year in the system, hopefully behind a vet who will mentor him, looks like.

          • SC Dave

            Yeah, I’ll give him a chance. What concerns me more than anything is that he did not seem to learn very much. If he is going to be our Mike (remember, this is the fucking Chicago Bears) the expectation is that he will be the leader – the field general – of the defense. Like George, Butkus, Singletary, and Urlacher were.

            Maybe not fair, but as I said, this is the fucking CHICAGO BEARS, and our MLB needs to be both really good AND smart.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dead on Dave. That’s why Lac should have been in place and groomed his heir, ditto Olin Kreutz. The Mike and the Centers should have been drafted years ago, to be brought up as apprentices.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Pre-season, he looked awesome. Made two hits running guys down, made me think, this guy is okay. Then he got made Lac’s heir and he just wasn’t ready for it. The biggest mistake the Bears made this season was that Urlacher was not on the roster. Even if he didn’t PLAY he needed to be on the roster.

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          If Peanut goes to Tampa for sentimental reasons, it will be just that; I can’t imagine him staying healthy enough to go a full season, even in a Bears uni. But many threads back, when he first got injured and the talk began to swirl around him leaving/being released, someone brought up that he should be kept as a coach here in Chicago.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Anderson goes. Don’t know what you see in him NBIT …. unless it was all related to not having Lac in there directing folk. I’d give Bostic some time to get the Mike thing, can’t be easy.

  • Still a Doug Plank Fan

    Re-banging drum.

    If I’m a feature writer for the NFL, I’m taking a very, very close look at what Marshall is doing with the receivers in Chicago. That kind of stuff – along with him being hard-wired to Cutler – is the kind of story that deserves more than a sidebar in the Bears section. It’s the kind of thing that can really take an offense to legacy levels.

    Who is the Brandon Marshall of our defense?

    • MB30SD

      hopefully he’ll be picked up in FA this offseason.

      • Still a Doug Plank Fan

        Got anyone in mind?

        • MB30SD

          not with enough facts hehind it.

          I know rohdes is available, but he’s been off for a year and someone said he’s looking for big big money. NB threw out… sheite… can’t remember j.byrd maybe.

          I just want a still young hungry and aggressive proven entity at FS who can be a team, Defense, and locker room leader. Most importantly guy has got to know what he’s doing back there and be a true last line of defense.

          I actually wouldn’t mind paying for him if we have the money since in my mind it’s one of the most important positions on the D. The FS is the QB of the d backfield.

          Of course if peanut leaves we’ll need another good corner. Too much movement right now… we’ll see how it all shakes out.

          • NewBearInTown

            I threw out Byrd. No idea who’ll be available though. But I think Emery will stay away from Greg Hardy – he’ll get the next Peppers/Mario Williams deal and he might deserve it, but I doubt Emery goes for it. I think he gets the #2 pass rusher available in FA.

            SDPF hit the nail on the head though. My big thing on the defense this year is not any particular position. We need help at DE, DT, SS, FS, possibly CB and maybe even LB. But there’s no position that will fix our defense.

            What we need is the next leader. We need the next Julius Peppers – a veteran that steps in, makes everybody better plays at a pro-bowl level and most importantly is a leader in the locker room. We got that on offense with Marshall (among others), but we haven’t picked up any new leaders for the defense since Peppers was signed. Lach is gone, Peppers, Peanut and Briggs are either gone or a year or two away at most. We need new leadership on that side of the ball.

            The only guy right now is Jennings. Its a start, but he’ll need help.

          • EnderWiggin

            Does DJ Williams fit that category?

          • Rodgers Dead

            word on the street is that he’s more of a prove it on Sunday guy and not a locker room guy.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            I’m not sure DJ can last a season anymore. He’s just one of those x-roid players whose body can’t hack it without the pills.

          • NewBearInTown

            Williams is like Slauson. A key role player, a good teammate, a reasonably priced vet. But he’s not the leader of the locker room.

          • Irish Sweetness

            DTs will start the process. Build the foundation.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We told him to fuck off by offering him two million dollars.

  • gpldan

    Here’s the article Jeff was tweeting about.

    http://deadspin.com/i-was-an-nfl-player-until-i-was-fired-by-two-cowards-an-1493208214

    He could come here, we want to get rid of Podlesh and he would find lots of support in this city for his stances.

    • Rodgers Dead

      too bad he sucks at punting now and is old

      • MB30SD

        worse than podlesh?!

        • Rodgers Dead

          no, not worse than Podlesh but at certain points this guy was calling out everyone, everything, the pope, gays and lesbian issues, the corrupt financial systems. I mean, he’s a fucking punter for a billion dollar team. There’s a lot at stake here. An employee has to make a decision whether he’s going to abide by the wishes of his employer or keep being the agitator. By all mean be the agitator and agent of change but don’t expect that every employer is going to like it, accept it or not act on it if there are other factors at play as well.

          • bearsfantillend

            Why the hell should it matter who his employer is or what his job is? He has the right to speak his mind, especially if he even took the step to clear it with the teams legal department, and it was not detrimental to the team.

          • Rodgers Dead

            well it looks like the powers that be didn’t like it my man and while you and I don’t see an issue with it personally the coaches may have. The legal department and your boss are two different entities unfortunately.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta agree. At some point you have to know you’re pissing off the bosses. He had to know how this would end. No sympathy from me. BTW I agree with every thing he was saying about gay rights.

          • bearsfantillend

            The owner did not have a problem with him speaking his mind. He might have actually been released because of performance, but it does not explain the way he was treated by coaching staff for his views.

          • IBNO

            (Note this is all from Kluwe’s viewpoint, so there could be some shading of the truth)

            The owner gave him the thumbs-up. The GM said nothing. The head coach said “tone it down,” and then said nothing when Kluwe said he wouldn’t.

            The position coach with an open bias against Kluwe’s political/ethical stance graded him down and essentially fired him.

            That’s wrong.

            Not illegal, but possibly a breach of the terms of his contract.

            Now if Kluwe himself were gay, he might have a case in court.

            Should Kluwe have spoken out, despite what his HC tried to tell him? Is his advocacy & willingness to speak on the issue “conduct detrimental to the team” and therefore grounds to be axed? Legally, yes (if he was just an average schlub with a 9-5 job)–unless his contract outlines what “conduct detrimental to the team” is (and it probably does, and talking about political issues unrelated to the team is probably NOT considered such conduct).

            In other words, “freedom of speech” isn’t free; an employer can terminate your ass for all sorts of reasons, including that he doesn’t like how you feel about gay rights. That doesn’t make such firing right, nor ethical. And if the position coach baited Kluwe, and downgraded his performance scores based on his bias, then it’s even worse.

          • MB30SD

            agree 100% with that pov. He knew they didn’t like what he was doing. he made the choice to get fired.

            That said, I don’t give a fuck if he’s a 9′ alien with a dragon’s face as long as he boots a 50+ yarder from our own endzone.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            I do agree that his employer has a right to expect him to toe the company line…the problem is, what’s the line?

            The owner told him to keep talking. The coaches forze him out for doing so.

            If he’s not wearing rainbows on his helmet during games, then I think he can run his mouth ad nauseum.

          • MB30SD

            Luckily he didn’t go to hawaii huh?

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            Lol

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      I think it’s awesome that he wrote that up. I think it’s bullshit x’s infinity that he’s been vilified and/or blacklisted for his views. I think he’s expressed himself with class. I personally don’t believe in same sex sex; but I don’t think my views should be legislated on others, and while I find it appalling, I don’t think men should be barred from marrying other men, etc. That’s their call, not mine. I wouldn’t donate money to GLAAD, or march with Kluwe in a parade seeking marital rights for gays, but I would (and have) defend their right to speak their mind and make their own choices.

      His calling Frazier a coward, and Pfiefer the same, is justified IMO. Fuck ’em both (figuratively speaking).

    • Trac

      May I?

      • Trac

        Reverting to name calling is childish and immature. Kluwe has no clue.

  • AlbertInTucson

    dvice to Bears fans: find writers, columnists, opinions you like & block out rest. I did it a year ago. Happier life. (ReTweets kill ya)”

    No problem. I HAVE not, DO not, WILL not “tweet.”

    • Irish Sweetness

      Tweeting’s for twats, Al. New rule.

  • gpldan

    Keep an eye on CJ Mosley tonight for the Tide.

    He would be very available at the Bears spot (despite not having seen a sane mock yet, I think there are enough guys scoring ahead of him that we could grab him at 1) and he’s a pure Mike.

    Of course, then again, so was Manti – and so far he’s done nada for the Bolts.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      I never ever saw in Teo what everyone else seemed to. I wrote it off to my football stupidity. Apparently, I at least have my GED….

    • George Hernandez

      I’ll be looking at Clinton-Dix for the tide, good looking safety prospect, maybe a guy we could trade back for and still get while picking up some more ammo for Phil.

  • gpldan

    Last time I saw a playoff game at -35 was the Ice bowl in Cincy with Ken Anderson at QB for the Bengals. I think it was the first or second year of the tiger stripe helmets.

    I also think it was -35 AMBIENT, with wind taking it to something insane, like -60.

    Need to look that up.Oh…here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freezer_Bowl

    Overstating it. Ambient was -9. Chill was -39.

    This weekend’s Green Bay game might come close to that.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      I don’t think you can overstate when you’re talking about -9 while sitting in a giant bowl outside. -35 would have felt just as warm.

      • CanadaBear

        Not really.

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          I was being semi-facetious, Mr. Frozen North. I’ve been in some cold ass temps in my life, both in Canada, living in Iowa, and when attending games at Soldier Field, and once the wind kicks up and swirls, it’s all just freeze-yer-ass cold.

    • Cormonster

      I’ve worked 10+ hours on many occasions in that weather. Excellent boots and backup gloves in the armpits are imperative. I’ve also stupidly went skiing in that type of weather. Not only do you freeze your ass off, but it’s nearly impossible to light a bowl or bong on the chairlift.

      • CanadaBear

        That’s what I’m talking about! You can’t get this info on the other blogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Classic!

        BTW – I would suggest some form of plastic shopping bag to be fit over the head to allow for ignition of said doobage.

  • gpldan

    Jeff should know that Doug Gottlieb is a Packer fan from Wisconsin and he once said he was calling the NCAA basketball Tourney to bring the viewer the “white man’s perspective”.

    Let it go, Jeff.

  • MB30SD
    • Shady

      The positions don’t matter to me as much as the talent. If you hit on your draft picks, whatever position they may be, you can always fill gaps with FA. If you whiff on a draft pick trying to fill a need, you’ve fucked yourself over twice. smh We’ve got all offseason to discuss draft strategery again and again and again blah blah blah I can’t handle being a Chicago sports fan anymore. If the Hawks disappoint this season I may have to move to Malawi.

      • Viva

        HAWKSCE must wait. First, Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics.
        FUCK CANADA

        • MB30SD

          ohhhhhhh… sochi. Looking forward to that.

          Go USA!

      • MB30SD

        go south young man.

        Or you could move here and adopt the chargers…. because when they lose (and they will) you can just go surf, or ski, or bike, or… etc…etc…

        was 75 today.

        • johnnywad

          3 here. High of zero Monday. Fucker

          • MB30SD

            hee hee

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        How about if the Pack win the SB?

  • MB30SD
  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Hoooly shit. Turn on the talk radio today, Lakers suck, blah blah blah…Oh, yeah Cutler signed for 7 years 56M guaranteed, then they went back to talking about how much the Lakers suck.

    I wanted to return from work just to get the details.

    So much for the hometown discount. Looks like he gave us the Montgomery Burns discount.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    So, someone who’s been keeping up with the Bears more this week (I retreated to a Bear rehab).

    Emery and Co aren’t backing Tucker?

    Hope that’s true. Gotta keep our options open.

    I just hope Peanut hasn’t played his last game as a Bear. Briggs we might need, but I like Peanut way more than Briggs.

    • DaMurph

      I got the impression he totally backs Tucker

    • MB30SD

      Disagree murph. I got the distinct impression that they were blowing smoke up his ass as a professional courtesy.

      My read between the lines as posted earlier was that tucker is gone and we’re moving to a 3-4. Just a gut feel.

  • Viva

    My instincts lead me to believe we are moving from a 4-3 to a 3-4…

  • Viva

    JAY CUTLER WAS BORN TO BE OUR QB.

  • AlbertInTucson

    And now, a word from our sponsor…



    Phil moved with a Bear-like quickness…



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    The next order of Emery’s business…



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  • JR

    That Cutler extension is awful. Like way worse than drafting Chicken Dinner where they did awful. I’m not sure how we can have any faith in Emery after this. Good luck to Emery on getting a D that isn’t terrible after that wasted money on a guy who will be lucky to play in 10 games a year, Smh…

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      IF Jay fails in Trestman’s system, They’ll all be gone anyways in 3 years.

      McCown might retire, so if you think we could’ve got a better QB than Cutler next year, then I don’t know what to tell you. The best QBs will be gone by our pick, and no way I’m rolling with the leftovers like Mark Sanchez and Vick.

      • JR

        Well McCown (a journeyman, borderline NFL player, career backup) played better than Cutler ever has in his career, so I think Trestman could have found someone. But I do know that Cutler is NOT durable at all, and has a long history of concussions and other injuries. He will not age well. I would have loved to see the Bears trade for a guy like Kirk Cousins. That contract extension is just terrible, no way around it….

        • burntorangenavyblue

          What is up with the Cutler haters being all over Cousin’s left nut? Cutler is a proven franchise qb….Cousin is having a good year and so did Cutler. You want the Bears to take a dump at offense, the draft and the defense for the team for the next few years for a qb with barely any experience compared to Cutler? If that happened you would be the guy calling for Trestman’s and Emery’s heads bc they flopped not being able to fix the defense if they went by your ‘logic’……There are no other options for the Bears at qb now or the next few years…..get over it

          • JR

            Cousins was just an idea. I am not on his nuts at all dude. And Cutler is not a proven franchise QB at all. The only thing he has proven is that he gets hurt a lot, sucks big time during road night games, and can’t feel a pass rush to save his life. With what McCown did this yr, i have faith in other QB’s finding success under Trestman with the Bears.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            There aren’t any other ideas possible, that’s a fact. McCown is a back up qb and he is 34 years old. He was never a franchise qb for anyone. McCown did what he was supposed to and do you think that the Bears are going to want to deal with the drama that we saw play out with the 49ers last year? McCown understands his role on the team and that’s that.

          • JR

            I disagree that “there aren’t any other ideas possible, that’s a fact”.McCown is a fringe NFL player type, and he literally was better under Trestman than Cutler has ever been in his career including Cutler’s time under Trestman. I am not at all saying McCown is the longterm answer. What I am saying is that if Trestman had such success with McCown there are other options out there. At the very minimum wait things out this offseason and franchise Cutler if you have to have him back next year. Cutler’s ability to stay healthy is a gigantic problem also, and that rarely gets brought up…

          • gpldan

            Agreed. Even if McCown costs 1.5M next year – pay him

          • JR

            Right, the Bears almost certainly have to pay decent coin to a backup with Cutler’s durability, another issue..

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            With Cutler’s inj history, it’s almost a necessity (like with Vick).

            Worst case scenario, McCown starts somewhere, and we get a compensatory 3rd.

          • johnnywad

            Definitely. Need them both.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dude. You think nobody will will make him their starter? Even Campbell got 3M …

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Cutler nor McCown both weren’t ‘problems’ in the grand scheme of the Bears plans. It is defense and to have a backup like Josh, then yes, pay the man. That’s a bonus.

          • johnnywad

            Here’s the deal. Trestman is the one that pulled the best out of McCown. He is widely considered an excellent offensive mind and QB coach. With that in mind, he has obviously decided Jay is the guy. Hard to argue with that. As far as injuries go, he missed due to a concussion stemming from a revolving door masquerading as an O-line. He broke a thumb making a tackle. And this year tore his groin getting sacked. I believe the ankle sprain is a direct result of playing to early on the groin and being less mobile. While there a several injuries here, none of them are recurring and all are of the variety that heal completely without I’ll effect. There is a difference between what Jay has had and say a Chad Pennington type shoulder or a guy getting his knee drained weekly. That has to be accounted for when assessing his injury history.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            +1. And if you take into account he came out of the Eagles debacle without being carried off, then the durability argument loses a little more steam.

          • JR

            Right, I understand that for sure johnny. The Bears O-line was brutual the last couple yrs. But Cutler also really has a shit feel in the pocket, and at times has no idea there is a rusher around him so he is always going to take vicious hits which can lead to injuries. Also, his concussion history is pretty troubling. If you go back to his days at Vanderbilt he has 5 or 6 of them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hold on. the guy at one point was 13 TDs and 0 INTs with a rating in the nineties. OUr offense moved up and down fields at will, with no crazy throws ending drives or being returned for six. That is not a backup.

            When MAc was on the GB bench, he said his arm felt better than ever. He wasn’t a backup, he was a great QB that people had consigned to the scrap heap .. .just like McCown. He got a chance to show us this year he was more than a backup, and he took it. Likely he’s not affordable anymore.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sorry, I’m not calling McCown ‘great’ ….

          • SC Dave

            While that’s a bit strong, you are ABSOLUTELY correct that IN NO WAY is Jay Cutler a “proven franchise QB”. He does, of course, have a contract where he can prove it one way or the other.

          • bearsfantillend

            Cutler and Rodgers has statistically missed the same number of games based on the number of games started. so is Rodgers injury prone also?

          • BerwynBomber

            Good point. But I don’t know if anyone sells Rodger’s durability either. But definitely the one weakness on his resume. Makes one grudgingly appreciate the diva from MS that used to QB up there. Dude took some vicious hits over the years and rarely if ever took a Sunday off.

          • SC Dave

            A “proven franchise QB”? What!?!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cutler’s proven? Yeah, proven generally not to look after the ball (he had a great game against GB – accepted). You cannot explain away McCown’s TD-INT ratio and ratings. Our offense was fluent under McCown. Under Cutler it isn’t. This is not even debatable.

            If McCown is also signed somehow, then excellent. If not, we’re in trouble. But you’re right, without the first pick in the draft, it’s all moot.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          If you go for a trade you know that one team always gets the better end of a deal. Trade out Cutler, you weaken the offense and the new qb’s chemistry will be shot to hell with the WR’s and TE’s. So what good would that do?

          • JR

            I understand all that Burnto. I am just saying there are other options out there if McCown could do it, and they could have always fell back on the franchise tag. Now they’re tied up longterm to a massive contract to a guy who still hasn’t proven he has anything more than a strong arm. I guess I am just blown away by the contract size too, and not sure why people trust his health.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Jay hasn’t failed yet so there isn’t any reason why there should be any transgression going into the second year of Trestman’s system. Pick up a center and the O is great to go

        • SC Dave

          Maybe. The depth on O was not tested AT ALL this year. The only guy hurt was Cutler, and his backup out-performed him. If Bushrod, Long, Marshall (etc, etc) go down next season, are we still “great to go”?

          Not saying we aren’t, but still… maybe.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Did not Britton have to step in for Mills last Sunday…?

      • Still a Doug Plank Fan

        Yeah, and with ESPN stealing Tebow out from under us, what else could Emery do?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Well, if Cutty had been traded somehow, and you traded him to Houston ….. then Bridgewater is yours, no?

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    what, Lovie is now a Buc? haha…good on him. Too bad we just played the south. So, Hester’s gonna be a Buc, eh?

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Now when they ask him if they’re playing the Buc D, he won’t get annoyed and say “it’s the Chicago two”…well, he’ll still get annoyed.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Odds Urlacher plays in Tampa next year …?

        And I’ll bet he’s great for them.

    • tobijohn

      We’re playing the NFCS next year – Bucs at home…

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Again? Didn’t we just play the Saints? Wow, that ought to be a game.

        The Bucs actually have a good D. I’m very curious who Lovie’s gonna hire as OC. Maybe he pries Marinelli from Boys too.

        • tobijohn

          I think we played the Saints because the year before they finished the same place in their division that we did in ours, same with the Rams…

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Yeah, you’re right. I was just thinking about the schedule, and I vaguely remembered us either playing them this season, or going to next.

          • BerwynBomber

            That is true: I believe we get Dallas and SF in ’14 due to the same scheduling guideline.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Phil Emery took the Bears top 3 free agents off the board virtually before the game started.

    Kudos, Phil.

    No muss.

    No fuss.

    No public posturing.

    We didn’t have to suffer days/weeks/months of any “agent speak” or playing of the “disrespect” card.

    We didn’t have to waste space on Da Blog agonizing/arguing over any of them.

    As far as the National Talking Heads go, I think it happened so fast most of the don’t even know what hit them and a lot of them are mad because they got caught completely by surprise just like when they all whiffed on the Julius Peppers signing.

    Remember back then? According to all the so-called “NFL Insiders”,
    Peppers was going anywhere BUT Chicago!

    Whoops.

    I see no reason to quibble over the terms of Cutler’s deal other than to say,
    “Thank you for taking care of business so swiftly & efficiently, Phil Emery.”

    And besides, Brandon Marshall told us not to sweat it on Sunday night.

  • AlbertInTucson

    FYI: Bill Polian immediately and heartily endorsed the Cutler signing.

    • gpldan

      Ummm…… that’s not a good thing.

      But like Donald Trump calling you and saying he thinks the house you just bought is a good investment.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        He did get Peyton correct. Remember, Peyton vs Leaf was a real debate, like Luck v RG3.

        • AlbertInTucson

          What’s wrong with Bill Polian? He built the Jim Kelly Buffalo teams and then did the same for Indy.

  • BerwynBomber

    Sounds like Jay will be the highest paid player in the league once all the numbers are released. Never been a big Cutler fan (though I don’t consider myself a hater either), but hard to begrudge the dude for getting all he can while the getting is good in this sport. Hopefully, the Bears were able to structure the deal so that it is reasonably cap friendly.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      I’m not going to totally endorse the extension until I know all the details.

      From what I’m reading, it’ll avg about 18M the first three years, which tells me it’s not backloaded and that Cutler might be able to get cut without catastrophically handicapping us.

      Then we have to judge the alternative. Schaub, Freeman, Vick, Sanchez? No thanks.

      I’m just wondering where that 10% discount Cutler said he’d take is?

      He’s hasn’t been as durable as Romo, Matty Ice or Flacco – that’s my biggest argument for him giving a discount.

      • BerwynBomber

        The Manning bros are/were pretty damn durable too until Peyton had all the neck surgeries. As is Brady except for that one year when he suffered the knee injury. Still weird that Sanchez was 4-2 in road playoff games and played semi-clutch ball in all six of those tilts. I’d pick him up as a back-up, especially if I had a sketchy starter. Will be interesting to see if the Cheese address their back-up position in the off-season and what Minny does about their carousel of starters.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          I don’t see the Cheese going with a safer backup. That’s usu not the way they roll, but maybe this scare will change their protocol (they’re not out of the woods yet either. Willis, Bowman get a clean hit on Rodger’s shoulder this weekend…)

          I’m extremely curious who the Vikes are going to get at QB. I was never sold on Ponder. One of those picks which makes me question my football IQ when it’s made.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cassell looked good against us in a dome. But “against us” and “in a dome” are big caveats. Still, I probably like him best of the three. Agree about Rodgers not being totally healthy yet. Their back-up question might be one where living in huge media market as we do is a benefit to us; that is, our media would never let the front office live Wallace/Tolzein/Flynn down where the GB/Milwaukee media might give Thompson and company a pass.

          • SC Dave

            Well, you never know with QBs. Ponder did not work out, that’s all. Lots of QBs don’t work out.

          • Still a Doug Plank Fan

            Yeah, and he didn’t get to date Eva Longoria either…his life just never took off.

        • SC Dave

          Those neck surgeries sure have slowed Peyton down, eh?

        • MB30SD

          flynn did pretty well… and this time he knows he’s back up quality… not starter. hopefully.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He waited until the perfect time to throw six TDs.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Peyton just threw 55 TD passes. I think he’s fine.

    • tobijohn

      I’m almost positive that it IS cap friendly. In fact, I thought I read somewhere that at least next year it shouldn’t count more that $10M (but I could be wrong about that). I think it’s the guarantee that’s pricey and a lot of it is spread out over the seven years. Which means if he’s gone after three, there will be a LOT of dead money…

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Two statements I never thought I would say at the end of the 2013 Bear season.

    “We’re the 2nd highest scoring O behind only Peyton Manning’s Broncos”
    “The 2014 goal is for our defense to achieve mediocrity”

    • tobijohn

      I’m with you on #1, but I think that using the word mediocrity to describe the defense is being gratuitously generous…

      • MB30SD

        2014 goal

        • tobijohn

          My mistake, I misread that. Yes, achieving mediocrity in 2014 would be a very welcome goal…

  • Shady

    The more I think about it, the more I think this deal was absolutely perfect. Cliff Stein and Bus Cook had over a year to work it out. I imagine the last game of the season hashed out a final detail in the contract, but 99% of this deal had to have already been meticulously negotiated.

    I’m of the belief that if you have a tangible asset like Cutler, you owe it to your organization and to the player to maximize his potential.

    This deal allows for that opportunity in the most logical and amicable terms.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Shady, read this piece by Wright:

      http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4689748/cutlers-new-deal-secures-offensive-stability

      You’ll see that Emery put some weight on his decision based on how Jay handled the GB game, among other things. Solid info. I miss Seifert though. Always thought he was a good writer, and fair.

      • tobijohn

        I liked Seifert too. Apparently, he was promoted to a national writer for ESPN so he’s still around. Just not solely focusing on our neck of the woods..

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          Yeah, I looked him up a couple of times after they moved him. I’ve never been a big fan of Dickerson and Wright, in that they used to go days without posting anything new.

    • NewBearInTown

      100% Three seasons in a row Emery has taken care of business in FA.

  • tobijohn
  • NewBearInTown

    The more I listen to the radio and read some of the negative posts on here, I think the anti-Cutler guys are right. Emery has to be fired immediately, before the ink dries on the contract. And we have to see what can be done to rescind.
    Any GM worth his salt should have picked up the phone and convinced John Elway to fix that porous defense by taking McClellin to play OLB. We could’ve sent Shea, a third round pick… maybe even TWO third round picks (even though that was clearly too much for Marshall, our #2 receiver). That should have been plenty to get Peyton Manning to come play here. And if Denver wouldn’t have taken the deal, I’m sure the Texans would have taken it if we threw in McCown and they gave us the first overall pick in the draft.
    That way we could have gotten Johnny Manziel for Trestman to tutor. Then we send Peppers and Briggs and Peanut (with a franchise tag) over to Tampa Bay to move up in the first round and get Clowney. Then we use the other picks we have left and just get a bunch of centers to replace Garza. Whatever holes are left, we fill with all the cap space we saved.
    See how easy this is? Ginny should make me the GM.

    • Trac

      Dr. Strangelove?

    • BillW

      One thing I am sure of. Emery doesn’t do anything knee jerk. But he also doesn’t waste time deciding

      As new bear says I assume Emery played out all the reasonable qb options and concluded this was the most certain and least risky

      Those against the deal I guess think any qb would put up 100+ passer rating games. And maybe most could under trestman. But if memory serves McCown was only 3-2 (too lazy to look it up). Very good qb in moving the ball but how likely would he (or a rookie) match Cutler ability at the 4q comeback?

      I just hope Cutler works more on looking off receivers. That’s the last thing he needs to work on I think

      • SC Dave

        Our “any QB” McCown did, in fact, put up 100+ passer ratings in four of six games where he had significant playing time, and over 90 in both the others. And an overall rating of 109.

        McCown was, in fact, 3-2 leaving Cutler at 5-6. So I’m not sure exactly the point of mentioning that.

        Sure as hell hope we sign Josh.

      • tobijohn

        Well, I’m all for the Cutler signing (and really for the McCown resigning) but just to set the record straight, I believe Josh did come from behind in 4th qtr of the Washington game only to have the defense let the Redskins march down the field on their next possession and win it …

      • Irish Sweetness

        Least risky option was franchising him. See what plays out this year. Maybe he breaks his pelvis .. channels a young Vinny Testaverde … many things could happen.

        Signing a guy who refuses to look after the rock for 7 years … that’s risky.

    • IBNO

      Please tell me you’re trolling.

      • Rodgers Dead

        sarcasm

      • NewBearInTown

        If there’s any doubt, I didn’t make my claims ridiculous enough. Should have included something in there about begging Urlacher to come back and seeing if we could get Tebow to come in as a veteran backup.

        • MB30SD

          that THAT would make the team great!

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      That should be on a t-shirt.

    • MB30SD

      Hahahahaha… I don’t think i’ve ever seen a post like that from you NB. That’s what made it so funny.

  • SC Dave

    Jay Cutler is our QB.
    – Lovie SC

  • SC Dave

    Gotta hand it to Emery, et al, they don’t fuck around.

    I realize that many of you are excited about the Cutler signing. While I think the term of the contract is excessive for someone that has won nothing for us, what I think does not mean shit. Jay Cutler is our QB.

    Jay is clearly talented. And to tell the truth (and please know that I am in NO way being disrespectful or facetious by saying this), my favorite play of his in the last few seasons at least was throwing the ball out of bounds in the end zone against Green Bay on first down. Instead of forcing a throw in banking on a double covered receiver to make a crazy play – a well Cutler goes to far too often – he “ran away to live another day”. Result: an easy TD to Forte on 3rd down.

    I have been waiting for several seasons to see that. It’s what great QBs do, because they know that next play they can get the TD. And again, not facetiously, that really encourages me about Jay. Not sure it comes from higher confidence in his teammates, or mentoring from his coaches, but I don’t really give a shit. What matters is that he did it. And I hope to see more of that.

    My other big concern. already stated in this thread by someone else, is Cutler’s lack of pocket sense and getting killed because of it. Again, in the Green Bay game, Jay stepped up in the pocket on several occasions to gain time to throw the ball.

    This stuff makes me hope he can become a great QB and not just a great arm.

    • BerwynBomber

      I wonder how many QBs become “great” after turning 30. I would bet very, very few. I think a more accurate assessment will be whether Cutler can win an SB. That, IMV, is a more plausible goal but whether he can do it is, of course, a multi-million dollar question.

      • bearsfantillend

        Short list of QBs that finally found success after age 30. There could be more these are the ones that i could think of.

        Rich Gannon – pro bowl age 34
        Vinnie Testaverde pro bowl age 33
        Steve Young – SB age 33
        Warren Moon(did not have 60%+ completion until age 33
        Chris Chandler – pro bowl age 32
        Doug Flutie – pro bowl age 36(granted he had a successful career in CFL)

        side note: Gannon and Young were coached by Trestman.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yes, and maybe even Kurt Warner (though I’m not sure how old he was when he first hit the NFL). My point was that very few have become HoF “great” or near HoF great (that’s how I was thinking of SC’s adjective) after the age of thirty (w/out showing earlier signs and/or having seasons of greatness previously). And Young had some 100+ QR season prior to turning 30; i.e., he was showing signs of greatness. Warren Moon might qualify (though he was tearing it up in the CFL). But like I said, a very short list and I don’t think anyone would consider Gannon, Testaverde, Chandler or Flutie “great”.

          • SC Dave

            Kurt Warner took the league by storm the first year he had any playing time. But that was crazy and I don’t remember anything like it before or since (note that the 2000 numbers were in 11 games):

            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WarnKu00.htm

          • bearsfantillend

            Warner i think was late 20’s for the rams, Young was 30 when he took over in SF and no he did not have years over 100QR. Moon had 1 year in CFL with completion percentage over 60%.

            the thing with any position in the NFL to still be playing after age 30 means you have potential and have shown signs of being capable of doing the job. to all of a sudden to become HoF “Great” at any position that late in a career is almost unheard of (Young is the exception). QBs more so than any other position is more mental than anything so to stick around till you are 30+ is telling.

          • BerwynBomber

            Sure Young did. He had one in ’87 and ’89 and both years he was under 30.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Young_(American_football)

            But he was mostly a clipboard guy. My point being that Young’s post-30 greatness didn’t surprise many people.

          • bearsfantillend

            you are right, he was backup and limited snaps. was not full time starter till he was 30.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not at all. In college he sits on the bench watching Mac at BYU… in the pros he gets to watch Joe Cool. That’s a good apprenticeship for an already smart guy.

          • BerwynBomber

            Right, so I said let’s not judge Cutler on whether he becomes great; let’s just judge him on whether he can win an SB. I guess I don’t understand what you’re objecting to that I original posted after SC’s comment.

          • bearsfantillend

            Not really objecting, you said you wondered how many QBs became “great” after age 30. it got me to thinking, so i put a quick list together.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ah, ok. Well, sincere thanks. Yeah, post-30 might come down to Young and Moon and that would be it. Though I’ll admit my field of knowledge only goes back to about the 80s.

          • bearsfantillend

            We are on the same page, Dont need to be HoF great just have a couple great years, and that is what i am hoping for Cutler. He’s got the tools on the O, now he just needs to prove his worth and get us a SB victory.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Flutie is one of my favorite QBs of all time. Look at his CV. I love a small dude like that who can play. He was the best player in college, he passed for 6,600 yards one season (CFL I think) … and backed-up the Greatest QB of All-Time … James Robert McMahon, who –
            {IRISH!}

            Sorry.

        • NewBearInTown

          John Elway was a late bloomer wasn’t he?

          • BerwynBomber

            Elway? I think he was 25 when he directed the most famous drive in NFL history.

          • NewBearInTown

            You’re right, he started strong and then hit a downturn. It wasn’t till he was over 30 that he actually won the Superbowl.

          • BerwynBomber

            True, but Elway was single-handedly carrying semi-mediocre teams to SBs in his 20s. He kinda got a bum rap for not winning the big one when he was really a one-man wrecking crew.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Single-handedly? No. I remember his teams well. He had a great defense, good receivers, good O-line. Elway was the liability on that team. He had what Cutler has.

          • BerwynBomber

            Anyway, for the Cutler lovers, I wasn’t bagging on the guy — in fact, I was keeping expectations reasonable; i.e., let’s judge him less on HoF worthiness (which technically could happen post-30) and just keep it more about whether he can do what McMahon did.

          • MB30SD

            100% with you on this… sorry jay but I don’t give a damn if you’re looked back on as a great… I just want you to bring us one or more SB title please.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Elway sucked for ten years statistically. I mean terrible. I mean that was one drive. One.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I guess if Eli has two rings, and Flacco did it …. but I’m with Dave. Leopards don’t change their spots. He’s not going to change, and we just signed him for 7 years. So be it.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Let me add to your “pros” column, if I may…

      I’m seriously impressed by Brandon Marshall, and the balls-out effort he’s made as Jay’s champion, as a WR, to change his behavior off the field, and now, his focus on making the entire receiving corps better than good.

      You can’t put a price on the effort Marshall is making on the Bear’s receivers – and Jay Cutler’s – behalf right now. It’s through the roof, and I’d submit it’s a rarity in the NFL of today. Not only are they loyal to one another, they want to make each other better.

      Tell me, how much responsibility do you think Jay Cutler feels towards Marshall and the rest of his teammates right now? How much respect do you think he has for Phil Emery and Marc Trestman? They essentially stepped between Jay and the volley of press/fan fire and focused on getting him to the next level. For a competitor like Cutler, that kind of tangible action is both humbling and invigorating.

      I’ve been as critical of Jay as nearly anyone at times. I remember when we got him in the trade with Denver, Broncos fans came onto the blog and laughed in our faces. They were all still bitter over the way Plummer was shown the door. I didn’t know what to make of him. I had liked him as Denver’s QB, but Denver is in the AFC, and so, to be blunt, I really don’t give a shit about the AFC overall anyway.

      But I digress. Sorry. Back to Marshall’s effort, and his relationship with Jay. After all the humiliation and punishment he’s taken as our QB since his first day here, he’s still standing. And now, for the first time, every critical piece of the offensive puzzle is nearly in place, and being taken to places that foster championship quests.

      Jay has had one season under Trestman. Jeffery, Marshall, Forte, Long, Mills, Slauson, the Bennett’s, McCown, and now Wilson, these guys are all here to create a juggernaut, under a coach who sees things other than funny shapes in clouds when his offense is on the field. They are a unit that is coming together in ways that again, I think is rare in today’s NFL. They want to be better for each other, not just their contracts.

      Emery and Trestman have kept their word, and they’ve begun building a unit that I believe will be the most dynamic and dangerous offense in the entire league next year.
      With Cutler now surrounded by coaches and players that not only have the talent, but also set their egos aside to be a better team, I think he’s going to respond to that in all the ways we’ve all been expecting/hoping/demanding.
      He’s got the best opportunity of his entire professional career staring him right in the face, and a lot of money and effort has been laid down to make it so.

      Jay Cutler is our quarterback, and I believe that is better news today than it was 5 years ago.

      • tobijohn

        Excellent post

      • NewBearInTown

        +1 Marshall racks up great stats, but what he does that’s not in the numbers is equally valuable. One of my favorite Bears.

      • SC Dave

        Well presented, sdpf. You’re absolutely right that many, many people, and many, many resources, have been extended to set the conditions for Jay to excel. It’s up to him now, and as I’m sure we can all agree, it would be great were he to do so.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Five years. Damn.

  • SC Dave
    • Irish Sweetness

      If you have any money saved up Dave .. .I mean ANY … it will go a long way here .. as long as you keep it away from the gold-diggers. It’s an intellectual black-hole, but if you enjoy sun, no-hassle, and simplicity ….

      • SC Dave

        Sounds like near-paradise, man.

  • BerwynBomber

    Impressed by the Sooners thus far. They were a pretty sizable dog coming into this thing.

  • NewBearInTown

    For what its worth, I had Cutler getting around $17M a year in my notes. That might be closer to what he actually gets depending on how inflated the last 2 years are. I’m throwing those notes away now.
    One notable point on the Cutler deal. Jordon Palmer has to be watching McCown very closely. If McCown sign elsewhere, he will have the inside track on a backup QB job. If McCown sticks around, the Bears will likely roll with 2 QBs again and Palmer will be on the street waiting to see if someone gets injured. Either way I suspect Palmer and at least one other guy will come in as camp arms. Be interesting to see if Trestman finds a rookie he likes to groom as a backup. Be interesting to see us draft someone like Jimmy Garoppolo if he falls to the 6th.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      In the Wright piece I posted earlier,

      http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4689748/cutlers-new-deal-secures-offensive-stability

      I found it interesting that Emery said on the record that he was watching to see how Jay performed against GB (as well as how he handled coming back from injury with fans and press clamoring for McCown) as a litmus test before he pulled the trigger on the contract extension for Jay.

      My guess is that both Emery and Trestman also had their finger on McCown’s pulse while he was being lauded every week, and were impressed with how he handled it all.

      In short, I would bet signing McCown is a priority for both of them. I think he’s their kind of backup QB, whereas Palmer is more your typical journeyman camp arm, as you so eloquently put it.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Somebody throws 8-10M at McCown and he goes IMHO. He played himself out of a backup role this season.

    • George Hernandez

      Its funny how much we think alike, I like Jimmy G too, he is in the Cutler mold in terms of physical tools (a little less arm strength), but seems to be a better decision maker, I would have Jimmy in the 4th round tho. I think we can both agree that we need more picks.

  • bearsfantillend

    Cutler’s deal is rather interesting, gives Chicago easy outs after 3 years, and no escalated cap hits.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/02/cutlers-deal-is-three-years-54-million-with-year-to-year-option-thereafter/

    • Rodgers Dead

      very interesting.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Yeah, that’s what I figured when I first heard the numbers. It’s a very good deal, and Cutler doesn’t get shit in those later years if he doesn’t play. Basically, only way he’s going to see the entire contract is if he wins a SB.

      The good news for Cutty is that he’ll be getting around 18M right off the bat, as opposed to waiting a year or two.

      • Rodgers Dead

        Brady hasn’t won a superbowl since 2005 so I guess he wouldn’t see this entire contract. Ouch. Run that bum out of town!

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          Cutler is NOT Brady.

          I think Cutler is in that 2nd tier with Eli and Flacco. Def prefer him over Romo and a few others. Cutler wins 3 SBs for us, and he can get whatever frontloaded, middleloaded, backloaded, contract he wants.

          • Rodgers Dead

            i was kind of kidding. Too tired to type that though.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            You need to add like a top hat and some bling on your avi now.

            I’m riiich, biiatch!

          • MB30SD

            Hahahahaha

          • Cormonster

            Figured I’d take over giving you the down arrow.

          • MB30SD

            Thanks. No love for me lately.

            Meh… whatevs

      • AlbertInTucson

        Only $18m. poor bastard.

  • MB30SD

    tide getting rolled (see how I did that)

    Also, kirk fucking cousins?!?!?! Are you people fucking serious!? jesus.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Yeah, Cousin’s last game wasn’t exactly inspiring. I’d rather roll with McCown (aha), but he might not even be back next year.

      OH yeah, FUCK ‘Bama. Can’t stand their coach. Dislike him more than Scwhartz and Schiano, which I never thought possible.

      • MB30SD

        Hmmm… how about kiffin (lane not monty)? I don’t think anyone eclipses that guy in asshole.

    • Rodgers Dead

      lol, he’s like a nerdy Flynn.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        like a knock off of Dr. Pib which is a knock off of Dr. Pepper.

        MDS Pib.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I only saw him play once. He looked good in that game though.

  • MB30SD

    not enough of this today

    http://www.mandatory.com/2013/12/13/30-busty-bouncy-and-beautiful-boob-gifs/

    #3. OMG.

    Oh and jokey… that link is not safe for work

    • bearsfantillend

      whats not safe for work about it. My boss sent me the same link.

      • MB30SD

        dunno… ask jokey

  • Trac

    Out of all teams in the playoffs, the Chiefs are my favorite to follow in the playoffs this year. I guess because their story could have been ours had things fallen into place like I had hoped.

    • SC Dave

      I gotta go with the Panthers.

      • Trac

        To me, the Panthers are a total surprise. Forgot about them but I do like the Chiefs uni’s and history. Arrowhead stadium and all that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The backs can run, the QB can run, the defense is awesome … I like them.

        • SC Dave

          Part of it is they are more or less local. And they have Luke Kuechly.

  • Trac

    Other than cap issues, if the Bears can keep McCown on the roster, it would be huge from the standpoint that the QB position will be the strongest we have ever had in my lifetime. If Cutty goes down then, “no problem” enter Josh! Few teams have ever had that luxury.

  • Big Mike

    Always surprised that off season moves get more comments than game posts.

    • Trac

      Nothing surprises me on da blog. he he.

  • Rodgers Dead

    If Cutty’s cap hit in 2014 is 22.5 then Pep has to be gone right? The deal structure is unique but 22.5 is a big number. I’m confident that Stein knows what he is doing but that is a big fucking number.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Guys can you please help me with a video of Emery’s press conference ? Other than the official Bears site. Thanks.

  • Thompson Way

    Some good, and some bad. I was kinda hoping that the Bears were going to walk on Cutler. But, you don’t move on until have something better. I am just not sure McCown is that something better, and with his age, and family statement. Perhaps Cutler is the only option available. Now we can only pray that there is more improvement in Cutlers game in his second year O.

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