• BillW

    I voted to keep Phillips only because I think he has value in another capacity. Emery, Trestman, and Cutler have to go. Too many distractions / upheaval to think they can success with any of them carrying over next year.

  • Bender McLugh

    none of the above, but only because you don’t have “Emery only”

    • Bender McLugh

      I would definitely love to see Cutty come back and improve on his 2013-self but alas it seems his run as a Bear is over.

      • DaBearsBlog

        Emery only isn’t possible is the reason it’s not included. If Emery is fired, so is Trest.

        • TheBigCheesy

          Why is there no option for Emery and Trestman leaving while jay stays?

          • NewBearInTown

            Noticed that. I’m not in that camp, but you could fire Emery for the Cutler contract and then choose to keep Cutler for another year rather than eating his salary.

          • CanadaBear

            I could see Cutler returning if they can’t unload him.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Dont see how there’s a third option there. I sure don’t see them cutting him and eating that entire cap hit.

          • bloomie1937

            That’s why the McCaskeys need to go.Virginia could squeeze blood out of a nickel,

          • bloomie1937

            I’d say because Jay has under-achieved from day one, and all that talent isn’t accessible True we have no obvious replacement. Trading up to get Winston, might be an option. I don’t see any good long term prospect out there, Any good one is either too valuable or too fragile.

      • Frank Schoenburg

        I disagree. Cutler will be very hard to move in the off season. There was a report saying the Bears might have to give up a draft pick to move Cutler. The contract Cutler signed basically tied him to the Bears for 3 years. 2 more to go. Get a offensive coordinator that will play to Cutler’s strengths. Trestman’s main mistake was trying to make Cutler play in his system instead of creating a system that took advantage of Cutlers strengths and masked his weaknesses.

  • Beer Baron

    I’d vote Emery and Trestman/staff only. Keep Cutler. They can easily find a better GM and better coach, but I doubt they find a better QB.

    • GPLDAN

      Can you explain the word “better” in this context?

      Also: Is that you Johnny?

      • Beer Baron

        Better (adj) – of superior quality or excellence . Example “It will be very difficult to find an available quarterback who is better than Jay Cutler.”

    • bloomie1937

      C’mon, man! Aren’t you sick of making excuses for this failure? The real problem has been that we have a $2 billion organization, with a dime store mentality. Trestman got the job because he was the cheapest. Lovie got retained for three horrid years because they wouldn’t pay him to stay home. They didn’t even make an offer to Peppers, and he’s an all-pro for our hated enemy.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        lol – Trestman is paid $4.25 mill a year, there are/were cheaper options out there. There are current coaches being paid less. Lovie got a 2 year extension after a 11-5 season and was fired after going 10-6 and paid him to as you say stay home. they cut peppers. granted they save some money but they paid him not to be there because he was still owed guaranteed money. Peppers skills appeared to be falling of, but the fact was he did not want to be with the Bears any longer so he was not putting forth the effort. He is a mercenary, he did the same shit to get out of Carolina.

        do a little research so you can at least support your stupid claims?

        • bloomie1937

          I defer to your wisdom, but am not impressed with your manners. I’m just an old fan since 1942, and am in severe distress over what has become of a lifelong obsession.

    • bloomie1937

      A single wing would work better than this disaster,

  • BillW

    Irony though is that as many have said, there have been too many Cutler-centric decisions. They are forced though to make another one – stay or go.

    I vote ‘go’ in part because at least it will be the last Cutler-centric decision. If someone else “fixes” him and wins a SuperBowl with him – God bless them. I just don’t see it happening here (or anywhere).

    • NewBearInTown

      This is another one that’s hard to answer without being in the locker room. You have to know if he will be a good teammate next year if there’s a young rookie waiting to take his job. Can’t know that from where we’re sitting.

      • Bender McLugh

        we can know that from what teammates have said about Cutty and him taking others under his wing, like Clausen. I just don’t see the Cutler-as-bad-teammate…….could be the glasses I’m looking through

        • BearDown100393

          Does anyone definitively know if Jay visited Marshall at the hospital or not?

      • BillW

        I’m not saying he’s a bad teammate – though I’m not saying he is a good one either. Once again, I have no way of knowing but I can’t help but wonder. Black Uni calls out players for effort or whatever he said (don’t have time to look it up) and you have to wonder if Cutler is one of those he was referring to. The offense supposedly looks good in practice but in games people who know more than we do point out his poor decision making.

        But by “fixing” Cutler I mean simply making him less turnover prone and getting longer drives that produce points. It just seems tiring that the team is constantly revolved around him when there are other issues – arguably larger – to address.

        It’s a distraction that as a fan I’d like to put in the rear view mirror. We are rebuilding whether anyone admits it or not.

        • bloomie1937

          I have a hunch that RGIII may be available, but I have serious doubts about his value.

      • bloomie1937

        All reports are that the team supports him, which mitigates toward bringing him back, especially considering the alternatives. How does this grab you? Singleterry for GM, and Harbaugh for coach. Ditka would love this.

  • Viva

    New poll question: Will Trestman be out of the league next year?

    • NewBearInTown

      Trestman might be another example of a guy who is better suited to coaching at the college level. His attitude and skill set would go over well at a program like Stanford. He could get another head coaching shot in the league, but he’ll need to do something else for 5 years first.
      I think if he stays in the league, its as a QB coach somewhere. The thing is, he likely doesn’t have the connections on other teams to get a friend to hire him. Maybe Tampa brings him in to work with McCown (would make a lot of sense) and develop the young talent, but its hard to imagine Lovie doing that given the history.

      • CanadaBear

        Actually Nessman to Tampa makes sense. Lovie shouldn’t have any hard feelings towards Nessman. Someone was taking his job. It’s not like Nessman fired him.

        • Bender McLugh

          Lovie HC, Trestman OC………..sounds like something that could have worked here.

          • NewBearInTown

            I said QB coach, not OC. Trestman has not shown himself to be a particularly desirable OC in Chicago. Though he may do well as the OC for someone like Sean Payton, basically installing someone else’s system.

          • Bender McLugh

            last year he was much better at calling the plays him & Kromer designed, this year not so much, so it’s hard for me to agree with that.

          • BlameAngelo

            How can Trest be judged as an OC when his QB refused point blank to carry out the O part?

          • bloomie1937

            Lovie stunk and has shown it in Tampa. He was a good DC, but having Dungey’s support is just not winning games. He is out of his depth as a HC.

        • BearDown100393

          He can bring Clausen with him.

          • Bernsy

            I don’t think Jimmy would mind 2yrs 10 mil.

          • BlameAngelo

            What’s wrong with Clausen? He’s accurate, can throw a nice floater (when’s the last time you saw one of those on a Bears team?) … and he does what he’s told. Infinitely preferable to a gunslinger.

          • bloomie1937

            There was a window when we could have gotten McNabb, but it closed.

    • bloomie1937

      And forever. He has demonstrated his value pretty clearly.

  • BerwynBomber

    Ha! My choice is not offered.

    Instead, I’ll guess at what does occur. Trestman and staff only will be gone — they will be the fall guys for PE and Cutty. And the next HC will either be Kubiak or Shanny.

    • Bender McLugh

      this is what I think as well

    • BillW

      While I hope that doesn’t happen, it is a very logical and possible outcome. Trestman must know he’s gone already. I suspect the team does too.

      • bloomie1937

        The up side is that Trestman does’t make a lot, so the hit for dumping him will be bearable. Cutler is another matter altogether.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          Trestman makes $4+ mill a year, sounds like a lot to me.

    • bloomie1937

      I hope you’re wrong. Emery is as much to blame as anyone for this miasma.

  • NewBearInTown

    Not sure where the idea started, but the idea of giving up a pick to convince a team to take Cutler’s contract off our hands in ludicrous. Whoever came up with that doesn’t understand how desperate some teams in this league are for talent at that position. And the contract is actually great as a tryout for 2015 because there is almost no dead money if Cutler is cut after one season. Maybe its a tad pricey for a tryout, but Cutler is a heck of a lot better than pretty much any other QB available next year in FA.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agreed. It was an attempt to a) drive down Cutty’s price, or b) it was a couple of management types who are not in need of a QB and just wanted to say something original.

      • bloomie1937

        His bonus structure is a nightmare, he gets $10 million if he’s stiill around in march, I think.

  • BearDown100393

    When does ownership start concerning themselves about the Bears as a team rather than what is best for Jay Cutler, the individual?

    • Bender McLugh

      are you at Easy Times right now, smokin a big fatty? Can I join?

    • bloomie1937

      Their only concern is the bottom line ever since Mugs died young.

  • huntinbare

    I would like them all gone so that if a coach is available that likes to have some authority that may fade into the boundaries of the GM; he will not have to be totally subserviant to Emery. No dissention; everyone on the same page. Ted Phillips …how many times have we had relevant seasons under his watch. Get a football czar and move forwars methodically.

  • huntinbare

    No players leave until leader ship is hired…let them dismantle and rebuild.

    • bloomie1937

      I’ve been around since Luckman, and nothing like this mess has ever happened, even under Gibron.

      • huntinbare

        That is a lot of rooting for such meager returns on your life’s investment. The Bears can bring great joy to our experience but this year has produced a minimal amout of football highs and turned us into a laughing stock. Getting ridiculed on national broadcasts consistently. Hard for you to watch I would bet.

  • huntinbare

    I can’t help thinking that if Cutler never got hurt; and we lost 3-4 more games in 2013 ; that 2014 would have been soooo different.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Why is Cutler on 4 out of the 5 Choices? Why not a Emery & Trestman (and staff)? Without the Cutler Option. Are we that sure that Cutty will be gone next season? Anyway out of the choices above I went with #4. A new HC and Staff is the most desperately needed change above all else.

    • BerwynBomber

      Made no sense to me either. Cutty will be by FAR the hardest to get rid of. Could be Blogfather’s way of trying to appear balanced. He is definitely in the Cutty camp.

      • DaBearsBlog

        I don’t see a scenario where Cutler stays and the two above him go. I also think Cutler will be easy to get rid of. Very easy. Just because Bears fans don’t want him don’t think the rest of the league doesn’t. 9-10 teams in AFC would love to have Jay.

        • BerwynBomber

          Fair enough about the scenario (though I don’t know if I completely buy it). But NO WAY he is easier to get rid of than MT or PE. You can swallow the latter’s salaries pretty easily. Cutty’s? Not so much. You have to find a suitor first and even then you will be swallowing a good chunk of change.

          It is all about money and complications. With each, moving Cutler is much harder than saying bye-bye to MT and/or PE.

          • bloomie1937

            I’m very old and know thast I’ll be dead before this franchise is rebuilt to being a contender. It is heart breaking, but I’m fixating on the Cubs now, where the leadership is at the highest professional level.

          • bloomie1937

            Check please.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            rest in peace.

        • BearDown100393

          “Love to have Jay” is as synonymous as inviting a case of the mumps into a NHL dressing room.

          • BillW

            I would follow closely any team that picks him up.

        • wreckinball

          9-10 after you consider that Titans and one of the other slugs are going to draft Mariota and Winston?

          Buffalo and Jets are the only ones I got that are in a situation to take that chance because they have nothing

          I’m saying teams that will give at least a 3rd and pick up most of his $$

          • wreckinball

            I also forgot Sanchez who will also be signed as a starter for one of the slugs but for a lot less than picking up Cutler. I think the Cutler market is very very small.

        • BlameAngelo

          Absolutely. Getting a first and a second for Cutty and Forte (or equivalent value thereof) is very doable, and smart business to boot.

    • BillW

      I think the better way to word it is leaving Cutler out of the choice Emery and Trestman – since whoever comes in will have to make that decision anyway.

      And Emery staying with Trestman going pretty much says Cutler stays – it’s illogical to think Trestman is fired and Emery then decides to get rid of his 126 million dollar man.

      LEaving Phillips out of it for now, to me it’s Emery and Trestman go with the new guys deciding Cutler, or Emery stays, Trestman goes and Cutler stays. No other combination makes sense.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Because if Emery goes, Cutler goes, too. There’s only one scenario I can imagine where the GM gets the axe and the house isn’t completely cleaned–and that’s if Shanahan is coming on-board.

    • bloomie1937

      The fans are sick of waiting for Cutler to deliver some of that talent.

  • Trac

    Cutler is the final piece right? Rrriiiiggghhhttt! I’ll paint any car for 99….99…, rriiiggghhhttt!

  • BillW

    I suspect not only does Trestman know he’s fired, the team does too. Based on Robbie’s comments.

    Robbie talks about being one with the team, and bad mouths his head coach. The only way that inconsistency plays right is his knowing that’s not his head coach anymore (given he’s out for the last game now).

    • BerwynBomber

      Agreed. And not a good moment from Robbie. Hardly “keeping things in the locker room” by those statements. Even if Tresty’s firing is a done deal. Though then again, that is pretty much SOP for this team at this point and I’m sure there is no loyalty felt toward the coaches.

      • BillW

        Total lack of respect – and well earned by Tresty I must say. Apparently benched Cutler to showcase his offense to other teams in the hopes of getting an OC job. Or to say F – you to Emery. Very selfish – though entertaining.

        • BerwynBomber

          It is still a case of two wrongs. Anyway, not a big deal but not a shining moment either but I agree it probably means Robbie knows Tresty is toast.

          • BillW

            I agree – not a good thing. And it’s a shame it’s come to this.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Gould was pressed by a former teammate. Not like he didn’t know what he was doing/saying, but I think there’s a reason why Mannelly is doing well in media now.

  • Bernsy

    Long time no post gentlemen. It’s gotten a little crazy but I thought it appropriate to show up with my avatar as crazy Harbaugh. I don’t know if the Bears end up getting him but i’ll tell you this…….
    I just listened to the replay of Robbie Gould on 670 The Score and it’s apparent that Trestman and Kromer have absolutely LOST the team. They are both gone. I don’t know if Emery is included but it can’t be good for him with all of the misses on his first drafts and all of this drama.
    If Jay is sent packing there had better be a solid plan in place to quickly and thoroughly address the crumbling pieces at multiple positions.

    • BearDown100393

      Yeah but Robbie “just kicks the ball”…….

      • Bernsy

        indeed, but that little guy is one of the only guys in the locker room with that elder statesmen title. He has the respect of Tillman, Briggs, etc and he still felt the need to address it that strongly.
        If Kromer hadn’t run his mouth Trestman would already be fired.

        • BearDown100393

          The quote was in reference to Marshall’s outburst. I do agree about Gould’s locker room status. And it must be completely divided between coaches and players for Gould to speak up.

          • Bernsy

            I was going to add that I know no one is talking about it but I could see Marshall being traded if Cutler goes. I guess it would depend on what coaches were left if any.

          • BearDown100393

            IMO Cutler-Marshall are a two-headed beast available on the block.

          • Bernsy

            That would be one hell of a package deal to a team missing a plug and play QB and premiere weapon.

      • BillW

        “We are kickers , we kick ball”

        “But no Green Bay, no Green Bay”.

        http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/walter-payton-on-snl/W_XEXQqHCc9O1z2cZ7x7dw

    • Doc Hamstring

      Heh. Just noticed you posted about Gould.

      Yeah, I’m in 100% agreement with you.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Robbie Gould is a stand-up guy.

    Robbie Gould’s comments about the team indicate that Trestman is the biggest problem. If Gould speaks for Gould only, that’s one thing. But if anyone else on the team feels like Robbie, there’s no way Trestman can coach this team next year.

    • Bender McLugh

      just read that interview with Robbie, completely agree.

      • johnnywad

        Got a link? I’d like to see that

    • Bernsy

      he burned down Trestman AND Kromer in that interview. I think I even heard him take a swipe at Emery.
      I think he was also insinuating that a lot of players had an issue with Cutler being benched.

      • Bernsy

        he sounded like a guy that either knew guys were about to get chopped or that he himself wouldn’t mind finishing up his career somewhere else.

  • EnderWiggin

    Is it odd that 48% want to keep Cutty, but 90% of posters think he is the problem?

    • Doc Hamstring

      Maybe people read the blog but don’t post. Like me for 5 years.

    • Viva

      Silent majority…

    • BillW

      I understand what you mean but I don’t think anyone thinks he is THE problem.

      • johnnywad

        Bill, you’ve rounded into a quality poster. Well done. Thought you were going to pack it in there for a while. Took a while to get your sea legs under you but here you are.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Jimmy Clausen Concussed. Uhhhhh, what now, Marc?

    • EnderWiggin

      I’m doubtful that Jimmy is concussed. My guess is this was the plan all along.
      Get some tape on all three QBs for our next coach.

      • Bernsy

        haha, it’s not a John Grisham novel. That would be pretty cloak and dagger.

      • Bender McLugh

        did you see that hit though? Definitely possible

      • BerwynBomber

        The hit he took was hard enough to result in a concussion. It reminded me a bit of Pep’s on Rodgers in the NFC title game (thought Pep’s wasn’t intentional and I still think Rodgers played the remainder of the game with a concussion).

        Anyway, where it does get fishy is ruling him out so quickly for next Sunday. Usually a guy doesn’t play out the previous game when the decision is so quick.

      • CanadaBear

        I was shocked he wasn’t concussed. That was a nasty lick to the temple.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I don’t see how he WASN’T concussed onthat hit. I surprised he remained conscious.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      just reported that Cutler will start this weekend.

  • John Doe

    David Fales time!!!

  • Bernsy

    football gods sending a message?

  • willbest

    I conditioned my response on who absolutely needed to go. Which is the coaching staff (although maybe some of the position coaches can stay if the new HC likes them).

    Emery has showed competence in FA , and has improved with each draft. He seems capable of learning from his past mistakes, so I wouldn’t be opposed to giving him another shot.

    I don’t know if Cutler is the guy you can win a SB with, but you don’t need to convince me he is better than anything you are going to find in FA. So the only real question is he worth the extra 7-9 million over say Mark Sanchez

    • Bender McLugh

      I hear Byron Leftwich is available……..

    • BerwynBomber

      Sanchize and Cutler are virtually the same QBs this year if you look at their numbers. But yes, Cutty is making $22M and Sanchez is making $2M. To me it’s a no-brainer provided there is not some absurd bidding war on Sanchez. Then the Bears would have a good deal of extra money to address the D. The question is whether you trust PE to do that.

      • willbest

        You keep talking about that 22 million as if it means anything. Jay makes 15.5 million next year. That is the number you are comparing on, and if you want Sanchez to start you are going to have to pay him at least 5 and probably 6-7.

        And good they have the same numbers. Did they have the same o-line, run the same offense, and same WRs?

        • BerwynBomber

          Ok, so you get Sanchez for 7M. That is still less than half of Cutty’s salary next year. Do your really think Jay Cutler is twice as good as Mark Sanchez?

          • willbest

            Only a child thinks that something that cost twice as much needs to be twice as good. Scarcity matters.

            The proper analysis then is a QB that is 5% better plus a journeyman ILB, Safety CB better for you team than our baseline QB, and a high end (but not elite) ILB, Safety, CB.

          • BerwynBomber

            Spare me your ignorant condescension.

            Do you think there is an unlimited amount of cash do go around? Cutler makes TEN TIMES as much Cutty this season. Next year he will probably make twice as much. Do you really think that money is better spent in choosing Cutler over Sanchez or would it be better spent investing in your D while accepting Sanchez as your QB?

            You have yet to answer. I have.

          • BearDown100393

            In Romania, one would pay 10 times as much for a dead rotten goat over the live one.

          • huntinbare

            Well seasoned?

          • willbest

            The only thing you are offering up is an opinion that Sanchez plus Is better than Cutler plus . Thanks for the opinion.

            I won’t debate it because I have no idea what defensive player you are talking about.

            And another thing why are you obsessed with comparing back-up QB salaries to starting QB salaries? How are they relevant?

          • johnnywad

            Additionally, you don’t get to trade Cutler without paying some of his salary. So let’s say you’re paying Cutler +/- $8M to play for another team. Now you still have to pay your new Sanchez type starting QB. How much is that? $5M, $6M, $8M? So it is of no value. No money is saved. Its a pointless conversation which I’ve been trying to shake out for two days. If you have to pay Cutler to play elsewhere, just keep him.

          • johnnywad

            I think the problem there BB is you’re likely still paying Cutty post trade. So you’re unlikely to be money ahead.

      • wreckinball

        Just don’t see the big Cutler market. Especially when you have two of those teams drafting Mariota and Winston , then throw in Sanchez who like you said is not that great but is much cheaper and less controversial than Cutler.
        I see Buffalo and the Jets and not much else.

        • BerwynBomber

          We’ll have to see. The TENN reports might be valid. A lot of teams need a QB and Cutty will be the most talented on the market. Plus, his salary won’t be crushing given that the Bears will be paying a sizable chunk of it.

          • wreckinball

            Tenn is in the #2 slot. They are guaranteed one of the young ones if they want. Just can’t see them saying you know what skip Mariota or Winston we want Cutler.

          • BerwynBomber

            Valid point. I knew they were high but didn’t know they were that high.
            It’s unfortunate that AZ signed Palmer mid-year. They would have looked at Cutty too.

          • John Doe

            Titans need a lot of help on defense. If they trade for Jay, they can then focus on defense. DT or DE.

        • BlameAngelo

          Only takes a market of one or two to cash in.

          This is insane what Trestman is doing. You bench Cutler. Good. Then you start him? Why do we want to win this game with draft picks at stake? Why not get a look at Fales and pretty much secure our draft pick status?

      • John Doe

        Btw, Mark Sanchez holds the record for most playoff wins on the road – 4.

        I doubt Jay Cutler will have a record like that even with the Seahawks defense or any other top defense.

        • BerwynBomber

          Agreed. Anyway, he’s flawed like Cutty but if Cutty is better I don’t think the difference as twice as good or anything outlandish like that. You can live with Sanchez as a one or two year bridge guy so long as his salary remains reasonable.

  • GPLDAN

    Seriously I left the hotel 10 minutes ago and the Bears couldn’t not be stupid in that time?

    Ha!

  • GPLDAN

    If they start Cutler and he gets injured and activates his contractual injury clause…..

    wow. I can’t think of what will happen. I don’t know how much farther the organization could fall. Where is the bottom?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      relocation to Romania.

      • johnnywad

        LOL

    • Bender McLugh

      1 more year of Cutler and hire Shoop as HC?

  • GPLDAN

    Ever see The Fugative With Harrison Ford and Tommy Lee? The spectacular train crash that starts the film off?

    Can we make a Youtube video in which Emery and Trestman speak in platitudes and splice that wreck in? I’m just trying to come up with the song to mix it with.

    probably this:

  • BearDown100393

    Uh why is a doomed head coach allowed to start a franchise quarterback (who was just benched) in a meaningless mop up game? Clausen is out. Fales apparently is not an option. Go ahead and fire Trestman asap. Does any of this actually make sense to someone? Help me out.

    • huntinbare

      I heard Hub Arkish? Say today that Fales is in his estimation an NFL QB from what he has observed; but that some scouts still believe he is.

      • BillW

        not an NFL qb in Hub’s opinion?

        • huntinbare

          Yes let me fix that…by the way is Hub a good judge of talent?

          • BillW

            Definitely – just ask him.

            I really don t’ know but for as much as he grates on me sometimes he is in fact very knowledgeable in my opinion. He’s been around a long time

          • BlameAngelo

            Hub Arkush: “I have it from inside Halas Hall that Bill Cowher is the next HC of the Chicago Bears”

            Two years ago.

            He’s a putz. A media mouth.

      • John Doe

        I will take Jim Harbaugh’s talent evaluation over Hub Arkush’s rants any day.

        Jim Harbaugh: David Fales a top-five quarterback in 2014 draft

        San Francisco 49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh has a bit of an unconventional choice. Not AJ McCarron. Not Jimmy Garoppolo. Not Aaron Murray. Harbaugh says it’s San Jose State’s David Fales.

        “I’m a big fan,” Harbaugh said, according to the Sacramento Bee. “My personal evaluation of this class has David in the top five.”

        http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000344670/article/jim-harbaugh-david-fales-a-topfive-quarterback-in-2014-draft

        • GPLDAN

          That may have been draft day misdirection.

        • huntinbare

          So would the reason they do not want to give him a look is that he has not had sufficient reps which would make a trial run at this point invalid?
          Or maybe they do not believe in him?
          Or
          Maybe Fales is the bait to get Harbaugh to bite; and they don’t want to injure him….I said in jest

      • Trac

        He can be a west coast QB but he struggles to put a zip on the ball on intermediate range throws.

        • huntinbare

          Take him out of the garage for a spin…I am up for a look…we spent a pick on him; why keep an unused toy under the tree…what have we got to lose at this point…our options get better if we lose… and if we win so be it; then maybe he becomes an asset with proper tutoring..

        • BlameAngelo

          Know who’s got zip? Jay Cutler. How did that work out for us? No who else had no zip? Jim McMahon, the best QB to ever pull on the jersey.

  • BillW

    And yet one more middle finger to Emery from Trestman. Risking his 126 million dollar man to injury in a meaningless game, knowing full well none of it is his problem anymore.

    • BearDown100393

      Certainly appears to be the case. So why not fire Trestman now?

      • SC Dave

        Because it makes zero sense to fire Trestman now. Zero.

    • SC Dave

      What the fuck are you talking about? Clausen is injured. You play your “next man up”.

  • BerwynBomber

    This also tells me they don’t intend to deal Cutler.

    • BearDown100393

      It does not make sense to play him from either perspective. If you want to keep him, why risk injury in a meaningless game? If you want to trade him, again same question. Where is the common sense?

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        If you are worried about injuries why play the game – just forfeit.
        Forte could blow out a knee or any of the other supposed starters next year could get severely injured too.

        • BillW

          That’s true except none of them are candidates to be offered in a trade.

          Tresty don’t care because it’s not his problem anymore. And Emery can’t tell him what to do because Tresty is probably already fired. Let’s see if Long plays.

          • BlameAngelo

            Why not? Why not trade Forte? Why not cash in your chips while you have some? He’s important to our offense? What offense?

          • SC Dave

            Because you keep the best guy on the team. I cannot believe this idiocy. It’s like the assholes that wanted to trade the second best running back in Chicago Bears history rather than pay him.

            Mind boggling…

        • or he could tear his achilles?

          damn it.

      • BerwynBomber

        Well you could say the same thing about Forte if you are talking keeping him. So that does not surprise me. But I cannot see playing him if you intend to unload him.

        • BillW

          Tresty don’t care.

          • BearDown100393

            The person making these decisions is already fired. That is my contention.

          • BillW

            Agreed

      • BlameAngelo

        Sense and Bears mgmt. Oil and water.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      possibly, or it just exemplifies the shit show our coaching staff and front office is. or it shows that they actually want a chance to win this weekend and are putting the best players on the field.

      • BillW

        That could well be – and it could be that Fales is in no way ready to play.

        • was henry burris ever ready to play? did that stop us?

  • BillW

    If Trestman gives some serious BS about playing the player who gives them the best chance to win I’ll scream. All that is at stake is 3rd frickin place for both teams.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      yep we should just forfeit. blame it on airplane troubles or the team bus broke down.

      • BillW

        You have the “broke down” part right for sure!

      • BillW

        But you are right – I’m probably overreacting. If Fales is not ready, it’s not fair to the other teammates to throw him out there.

        It’s such a weird show this year even logical decisions look suspect to some of us.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          I don’t know about the rest of you but as a fan, I don’t want to finish in last fucking place in the division and i want our best players on the field, and i want them to show some pride and some heart for wearing the uniform.

          • BearDown100393

            If you want pride and heart wearing the uniform, why on earth would #6 dress for the game?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            that is one of the most ridiculous questions you have ever asked. Just disregard the hits/injuries/concussions that #6 has taken over the years and question his pride and heart. If anything this year has shown me is that BillW was right about the coaching staff, and a lot of the blame should be placed on the coaching staff, i am not saying Cutty has not contributed to the problem, but unlike some i am not willing to put all the blame on one person, because everyone one on the team should be ashamed at their performances this year.

          • BearDown100393

            Hits/injuries/concussions and yet fans want #6 in the game to try to stave off finishing last in the division, something completely meaningless and arbitrary. That is even more ridiculous.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            if you think it is meaningless and arbitrary don’t watch.

          • BearDown100393

            Yes this game is meaningless.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            then don’t watch. don’t complain. don’t comment. don’t be entertained.

          • BearDown100393

            Haven’t decided to watch. Have a right to say what I want. Have a right to comment. This season has been entertaining? When?

          • BlameAngelo

            Eh….. every single week? If you derive no emotional response from it then you really should find something else to do. We’re the Bears, we’re perennial losers, this is what we do. It’s how we manage to do it each season where the SM bit kicks in.

          • SC Dave

            Hard to be entertained when Cutler is deliberately tanking the game. Deliberately betraying you, the fan. Fuck Cutler. Right in the face.

          • huntinbare

            I cannot imagine playing an NFL game by mailing it in…it is such a physical experience I would think you may have a beeter chance of injury by going half speed.
            Plus I would fear pissing off my team mates and getting labeled as a negative factor by them

          • BearDown100393

            Management shuts down players all the time when mathematically eliminated, especially those high valued. Nobody would blink if Cutler did not dress next Sunday.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t feel like that right now. But I will in Sunday. Same as last week as soon as they showed some life I was in full win this game mode

          • BlameAngelo

            If you’re not in the playoffs, you might as well be 1-15 and get better through the draft. This is beyond obvious.

          • SC Dave

            Only to someone that has never been on a team.

          • Stuck in the Twilight Zone

            You’re looking at the game from the eyes of a fan or a member of the organization looking into the future.
            As a player you are not going to tank your own plays so the team can lose to get a better draft pick and so you can drift further away from advancement or compensation in this incredibly competitive environment.

    • BearDown100393

      If that was a question, yes he did actually.

      • BillW

        Well, as I posted in response to HBP – I’m overreacting probably. Fales probably is not ready and it’s the last game. It’s only right that he try to win it for the players.

    • Big Mike

      Last place matters. Weaker schedule

  • huntinbare

    I heard this foolish statement on the score today…
    They may bring JC back this weekend to see how he responds to being benched..
    Is this even a point worth exploring…how about figuring out how to make us more relevant.

    • BearDown100393

      He would only be auditioning for the Bears if that is the logic. No other team would care what he does or does not do against the Vikings in the last (meaningless) game of the season.

  • KentuckyBearsFan

    i’m wondering what Cutler is thinking. “If I play well, that guarantees that Kromer and Trestman get fired! Or does that just help me get traded?

    But f I play badly, then THAT guarantees that Kromer and Trestman get fired. Or does THAT help me get traded?”

    I have no idea.

    • BearDown100393

      Or he can collapse running out of the tunnel and sink the entire organization. So many possibilities.

    • Trac

      If I’m Cutler, I’m praying the o-line plays better than me.

      • John Doe

        If I am Cutler, I am really, really worried about Bushrod protecting my blindside.

        Bushrod is close to Kromer and owes his millions to Kromer. I think he let Saints beat up on Cutler. A couple of times Bushrod just let his guy go without much resistance. This was just few days after the Kromer saga.

        I am pretty sure Bushrod’s feels more loyal towards Kromer than Cutler.

        It is a messed up divided team right now.

        Robbie Gould came out and slapped Trestman. I presume he got the green signal to do so (Emery, Cutler).

        Just lot of dirty politics going on right now. Hope people don’t get hurt.

        • Bender McLugh

          healthy Bushrod a different story…… have to agree I am worried

        • Big Mike

          BTW Gould’s move was gutless. Uncalled for. Kickers should be seen and not heard. Injured kickers shouldn’t even be seen

  • GPLDAN

    Raiola suspended for one game for stomping on Ego.

    • BearDown100393

      I’m sure Raiola has learned his lesson now…

      • Big Mike

        5th fine for dirty play

        • SC Dave

          Wow. And the league does nothing, because it does not involve a QB. SMH

    • Trac

      Don’t crush my ego!

    • If Ego is totally rational, does he than become Super Ego?

    • huntinbare

      Just read what he said to Marshal during warmups before the game…
      “Go take your medicine”
      He got off easy…

  • bigrobstunner

    Clausen concussed – Cutler back in….. the madness never ends…..

  • Jingle bells, Trestman smells, Cutler laid an egg…The Bearmobile has no wheel, and Arians got away…

    • Big Mike

      Hilarious

  • Did George already inform Emery and Trestman that they’re gone anyways, so they decided to complete the trifecta and take Cutty down with them?

    • SC Dave

      I sure hope so. The nightmare scenario is that Emery and Trestman go, and Jay destroys whoever follows.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Interesting that Clausen’s concussion doesn’t even show up on the Tribune. The news is at least 4 hours old now.

  • anyone else here use baby wipes, or does everyone still subscribe to the 2-ply newsletter?

    • Bender McLugh

      lol Wifey uses them, I do to after a night of drinking

      • Bender McLugh

        this question is a referendum on the season

    • NewBearInTown

      We bought them for the kids during potty training. Have to admit they are an upgrade.

      • i mean. why wouldn’t you want your butt to be as clean as could be?

  • Viva

    I wonder why Arizona hasn’t signed Grossman or Jordan Palmer yet…they have got to give them a better chance to win .

    • John Doe

      Jordan Palmer is with Titans.

      • Viva

        Just read that he signed with the Titans on the 15th of December. Thanks…

  • BerwynBomber

    DEN is the most talented team in the league. Even setting aside Peyton and his stable of receivers, they have potentially five pro bowlers on D in Talib, Miller, Ware, Ward and Pot Roast. They are loaded.

    • BearDown100393

      Broncos not looking great against Bengals right now. Some half time adjustments are required.

  • Viva
    • Viva

      Here is a brief excerpt from Gabriel’s piece:

      Toub is recognized as the one of the top special teams coordinators in the NFL. There are few who are as organized and pay as close attention to detail as Toub. He’s outstanding in preparing his units.

      Personality wise, Toub is the direct opposite of Trestman. He’s full of energy and demands accountability. He also isn’t afraid to get into a player’s face when he makes a mistake.

      You would think that the attributes Gabriel used to describe Toub (hold others accountable, attention to detail, prepares unit well, high energy) would be mandatory for all HC candidates, you know, like, must be willing to travel. PE missed all of that. What attribute did he value more when making the decision to hire Trestman, and how can we ensure he doesn’t fuck it up again?

      • Scott W.

        I’ve been saying it since the hire, I’ll say it again. Emery wanted to be clever with the Trestman hire. Instead, he was an idiot, with authority he wasn’t ready to have.
        He’s a terrible GM.

        • BearDown100393

          You get it.

        • NewBearInTown

          Emery wanted to be clever with Shea also. He settled down with his following picks. If I’m GM, I let him hire another coach. And I suspect that’s what the Bears will do in the off-season.

          • Scott W.

            He has to sit down, shuttup, and let the new coach pick his own staff, which is why Arians reportedly told Emery to go jump, and is now making Arizona our polar opposite.
            Think Phil can do that?

          • NewBearInTown

            What staff do you think Emery forced on Trestman?

          • Scott W.

            Emery retained the right to make all personnel / staffing decisions. That came out during the search. It’s also why others told him no.
            Besides, Trestman would have accepted ME as DC if it meant he got his head coach gig.

          • NewBearInTown

            I imagine he’ll let that go this time around for the right guy. Emery and Harbaugh would not be a good match as they are both too controlling, but I think Emery would be smart enough to let someone like Todd Bowles pick his staff if that’s what it takes to get the right man.

          • BerwynBomber

            That was what was so snaky about PE’s interview prior to the Saints game.

      • Scott W.

        And I’m with you on Toub.

      • BearDown100393

        The Bears ended up with Trestman because Emery was not qualified enough to properly interview a head coach.

    • BerwynBomber

      If he, indeed, is second on the list then he will have a good shot at the job. Harbaugh, to me, is a pipedream.

    • NewBearInTown

      It makes a lot of sense, and I think he’ll be a stud HC someday, but do you really see that working out? To a man, all of players that came up under Lovie have been miserable since he left. There is a lot of resentment toward Emery for that. Will Toub harbor the same?

      • willbest

        I tend to think coaches understand the score better than players since their careers are far longer. It would also depend on how much mucking around Emery/McCaskey/Phillips do.

        I would also point out that Toub would be on an island so to speak since there aren’t a whole lot of players from the good ole days left (Cutler, Forte, Gould, Paea, and perhaps Tillman).

    • willbest

      The only question with Toub is who is OC and DC are going to be. I know he has the skills to make the HC decisions but, he isn’t going to be calling the plays or defensive schemes.

      • Viva

        Better yet, he will be involved in the scheme, and holding his coordinators responsible for outcomes.

  • Viva

    Silver lining:

    The 2015 version of the Chicago Bears haven’t been eliminated from the playoffs yet.

    • SC Dave

      Not until Cutler comes back. Which is apparently what the respondents to Jeff’s silly poll want.

  • BerwynBomber

    Impressive stuff from CIN since Dalton’s pick six. Their D has Peyton confused and even Dalton himself has settled down a bit and is playing effectively. Btw, first time I’ve seen J. Hill. Dude’s a load.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “If Bears truly shopping Cutler, how can they let him start Sun? If they want him as starter in 2015, how could they have let him be benched?”

    First question is valid. Second is silly unless you think Trestman is returning. Why would a one game benching of Cutler matter if there is new Bears coach in 2015?

    • BearDown100393

      Apparently it is super duper important for some folks to watch #6 return to the field of glory against the Vikings. Logic and common sense be damned.

      • BerwynBomber

        But I don’t get Blogfather’s point regarding the second question. Is he implying Cutler’s mental state is so fragile that he couldn’t rebound from this in the off-season? Good lord, I’m expecting him to rebound from it by the time he takes the field Sunday.

        • BearDown100393

          I’m fairly certain that Jay Cutler does not care about being benched this past weekend. And it will not affect him one iota for a potential last hurrah of indifferent quarterback play as a Bear.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, that is my theory behind Cutty taking the high road in these recent pressers. Not that he didn’t, nor was Jay ever the worst guy anyway, but he seems like a dude who wouldn’t mind to be out of the fire for awhile.

          • BearDown100393

            Cutler handled the presser last week with class. Unlike Trestman who emulated his quarterback’s reputation.

          • John Doe

            Cutler was looking after his own interest. I don’t why Bears fans become so satisfied with him not acting like a complete jerk.

            He wants to play if the Bears cut him. He wants some other team to sign him. He already has a bad reputation league-wide. Had he thrown slightest bit of tantrum in that press conference, he would have hurt his chances.

            He did the absolute minimum he had to do to preserve his self interest.

            I would rather he be a class on the field and classless in press conferences.

          • BearDown100393

            I’ve been critical of his play and at times his attitude. But fair is fair. He was in a difficult position last week and kept his cool when many others would simply have lost their minds. I cannot nor will not condemn him for every action 24/7. If I did, I would be no better than the loud minority who defend Jay Cutler at every turn. As for his reputation, not all players are negative on him. Aaron Rodgers spoke up in support of Cutler and trashed the Bears coaching staff.

          • John Doe

            I am not critical of his press conference. Big whoop that he kept his cool.

            I just think he does not deserve any kudos for his performance. Bears paid him $22.5 million this year. He embarrassed them on the field. The least he could do is not embarrass the organization that paid him like crazy in a press conference.

            Big whoop = you did your job for which you are getting paid.
            Kudos = over and above what was expected of you.

          • BerwynBomber

            The loud “minority”? Surely you jest. The pro-Cutty folks are hardly a minority. At least on here. They might be a silent majority (mostly) but they strike me as a majority.

          • SC Dave

            He DID act like an asshole. ON THE FIELD.

          • SC Dave

            Fuck Cutler. He handled the GAME like an asshole. But I know, for some of you the form is more important that the substance.

          • willbest

            Doesn’t he handle every game like an asshole though?

      • SC Dave

        It’s so pathetic, isn’t it?

  • NewBearInTown

    I wish I could have been a fly on the wall when Trestman found out Clausen was concussed. And then when he had to tell Emery. And then when he had to tell Jay that he was the starter again.
    “Jay, Jimmy has a concussion, you’re going to start this week.”
    [Sarcastic grin from Jay]
    “Listen, I hope we can just get some good work done this week and…”
    “I’ll put the work in, I’ll do what’s best for the team, but if you tell the reporters that I ‘grew from the experience’ or anything like that I will tell Phil I want to personally carry the box of crap from your office when you get fired on Monday.”

    • Viva

      Love it.

    • BearDown100393

      Cutler probably had the radio set removed from his helmet.

    • Scott W.

      Awesome

    • SC Dave

      Fuck Cutler. Play Fales.

      • NewBearInTown

        Trestman should have listened to you. Would have avoided the awkward conversation.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Yeah, I get the impression Cutler will be dancing on Trestman’s grave at this point.

  • BerwynBomber

    That was quick. Okay, Dalton. You need to answer.

  • NewBearInTown

    Know what would make good television? Brown sign Tim Tebow for the last game of the season.
    Know what else? Denver signs him to push Peyton Manning.

  • BerwynBomber

    Dueling kick off returns.

  • SC Dave

    The idiocy of this absolutely boggles my mind.

    Okay, fire Trestman. Who’s going to start at QB?

    Half of you argue Fales is not ready, but in the next breath that Trestman should be fired because he plays Cutler instead?!? Really?

    Trestman already saved your fucking golden boy from another concussion against the cheap shot artists from Detroit by benching him last week.

    • NewBearInTown

      If we got Andrew Luck, you keep Trestman?

  • Cormonster

    I read a few places the winner of the Atlanta – Carolina game wins the division and Saints are eliminated. But what if they tie and the Saints win? Saints would be the only team in the division with 7 wins. Very unlikely, but the Saints still have a chance.

    • NewBearInTown

      Two ties equals one win (each are worth half a point), so the Panthers would be tied with Saints in terms of win percentage. In that scenario, the Panthers get in because the tie with Atlanta would give them a half point better division record than the Saints. So the Saints are out in that scenario as well.
      Carolina is in with a tie or better. Atlanta is in with a win.

      • Cormonster

        Thanks. Makes sense. I was only looking at winning %.

      • SC Dave

        Go Panthers.

  • BerwynBomber

    Wow, don’t know if I have ever seen Peyton look so crappy in an island, non-post-season game.

    • TheBigCheesy

      his last 3 INT game was in Atlanta in early 2012 I believe. That was definitely a night game

      • BerwynBomber

        He is still one of the best and dangerous as hell but I wonder if declining arm strength is betraying him. But credit to M. Lewis and his DC for their game plan. Btw, that edge rusher CIN has — Dunlap — is a freak.

        • willbest

          Watching him play this year, I was getting the sense that his physical body was starting to betray his ridiculous football IQ. He was injured in practice this week and was questionable for the game. It is apparent he shouldn’t have played.

          • Peanut FTW

            Same thing happened to Montana at the end. Recurring injuries left him not strong enough to make the throws and his stats really tailed off. I think Peyton is top 5 all time, but imo his lack of any mobility combined with tendency to choke in the playoffs keeps him from ever being the best.

  • Cubs_Questions

    A little late to the party, but I feel as if Emery + Trestman (and staff) should be an option without including Cutler. Not that I think it would be a popular option, but just to cover all the possibilities.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blogfather Tweet: “Why can’t you decline a delay of game penalty? Seems a ridiculous way for team to gain an advantage.”

    I definitely recall teams declining the yardage walk-offs on Delay of Game calls.

    • Peanut FTW

      All pre snap penalties on offense are not able to be declined for that reason, it is a stupid reason. If the play happens, then it happens and you should be able to decline the penalty.

      • AlbertInTucson

        But you can decline the yardage

        • Peanut FTW

          That matters little in a game like the Lions in London or a fumbled illegal snap that the d recovers. The offense should never be rewarded by screwing up.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Dead ball foul Play never happened. Don’t know how you fix that other than add a :10 run-off even if the clock wasn’t running.

  • bloomie1937

    It’s time to clean house. I’d add everyone named McCaskey.Texans, Jets, Cards, and Vikes are likely trade partners for Cutler. either for draft picks, or their best offensive lineman.

    • wreckinball

      Texans Mallet, Cards Palmer, Minn Bridgewater. It is a possibility that Palmer won’t come back.

      Assuming Tenn and TB draft Mariota and Winston that to me leaves the Jets and Bills and that’s it.

      One could claim that Jay has been better than those guys but there is no GM that is going to give up anything of worth for Jay unless they have nothing going at QB at all. Some of the bottom feeders may be willing to give Jay a try for like a 3rd or 4th round pick and the Bears picking up half his contract. But that’s not a good deal.
      Jay will be back but Bears may try and pick up a mid range FA so that they have someone to fallback on.

      • bloomie1937

        You my be right. but I’d favor a move for Palmer, but he is pretty fragile.

      • wreckinball

        Oops throw in Sanchez who will absorb a starting job somewhere amongst the bottom feeders.
        I think there is near zero market for Jay so he’ll be back for one more year.
        But never under estimate how stupid and crazy some of the GMs are. I mean who would of thought an inconsistent dour QB who has never really accomplished much would be the highest NFL player. Emery is not the only bat shit crazy GM.

  • wreckinball

    Now I’m confused and don’t know what the fuck they are thinking. I had thought that they were protecting Cutler. Whether it be for future trade or next year.
    Why not start Fales? See if he is back-up worthy.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Cheer up. With that O-line, They may HAVE to play Fales before the day is out.

  • wreckinball

    This game is about as meaningless as they come. If there is anyone who you want to evaluate put them out there. Fales not ready? Then why is he in uniform? Put him out there. It is basically an exhibition game. Its crazy to put Jay out there.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Cutler has a chancento beome the onle Bear QB to throw 30 TD passes in one season.

    • wreckinball

      He is the ultimate garbage man.

      • AlbertInTucson

        No argument. But he can still set the team mark Sunday.

        • wreckinball

          Need to put an asterisk on it

          • AlbertInTucson

            Hell, with all the Totally-Slanted-To-Help-The-Ofense-Rules-Changes ALL the modern offensive marksneed asterisks.

          • wreckinball

            That’s true. I just can’t believe there would be any positive records this year.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Here’s a negative spin: A) He still may not get it it and B) It’s a travesty that no Bears QB has hit that mark to date.

          • If Cutler throws for 200 yards on Sunday, he’ll set the single-season record for yards thrown, too.

          • AlbertInTucson

            No guarantee there , either.

          • Peanut FTW

            Though some of it has to have dropped off, there were several no calls in the Bears game and the Seahawks game that I watched on Sunday where they were definitely letting the dbacks play.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Two AWFUL no call P.I.’s on Jeffrey though he still shold have caught one of them.

        • huntinbare

          Funny how this years team is setting or hitting some old rarely seen marks and none of it is good….definately one for the Guinness book

        • BearDown100393

          Whether Cutler does or does not, he won’t care.

    • Two thoughts immediately crossed my mind:
      1. Are we the only franchise that DOESN’T have a 30 TD QB?
      2. Would he also be the first Bears QB to t TURN IT OVER 30 times in a season?
      It’s like HItler being a vegetarian, dog lover and Time’s Man of the Year. That’s super cool, if only it wasn’t for that other thing…

  • AlbertInTucson

    Tweet;”I live with a woman. If she told me to sleep in another room because I snore I am taking the bed with me.”

    Ignorant tweet.

    You need to wake up and smell the coffee. This is a real health issue,not a TV sitcom. I

    If you snore so loud she can’t sleep, you have a potentially serious problem. Your snoring probably wakes YOU up at times.You are both gett a poor sleep.

    I suggest you at teast try the PureSleep. It actually works for me.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Clausen’s Yards Per Attempt Sunday was a tepid 4.6. At least 7 drops didn’t help THAT stat.

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