• Bears-4-Ever

    I like to see the Bears do well no matter the circumstances. Though the last choice is totally understandable.

    • BearDown100393

      Would you trade injuries for “meaningless” wins?

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Absolutely NOT. I want them to do well but to risk starters on injury would be stupid at this point.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    #1 priority – don’t end up with any other 2015 starters with punctured lungs, torn ACLs, etc.

  • Trac

    Play the untested youngsters. With this coaching staff, it makes it that much harder to properly evaluate talent.

    • CanadaBear

      They have played, they have been tested and they are lacking in almost every conceivable category.

      • Trac

        I hope it’s only due to bad coaching and lack of playing time because if you’re right, we’re screwed no matter who is coaching them.

        • BearDown100393

          Just curious but what special talent do you see from the current group of youngsters?

          • Trac

            Game time is the only way to learn or make a true judgement.

          • BearDown100393

            Have they not been playing this season already?

          • Trac

            Not enough with the same group to build chemistry. It’s amazing how little people understand how important chemistry is. That’s why signing free agents aren’t the answer. You he gotta build a team.

          • BearDown100393

            If coaching personnel changes, does it help or hinder their development? Specifically crib noting one scheme temporarily to be replaced with a more permanent one later?

          • Trac

            I believe with good coaching, at least we will be able to determine who the good players can be.

        • CanadaBear

          I think the coaches (and GM) are lacking and the youngsters are avg at best. Unless we make some major changes (and the correct ones) we’re screwed for a few years.

      • chitownproud85

        Agree very much with this comment, but its really all there is. Play everyone that saw the “least” amount of snaps this year. Giving that many plays/that much game time(3 full games), especially when there is no motivation beyond possibly being on the team next year, will give us the first real indication whether or not there is actually someone on the roster worth keeping. At this point, so many young guys have played, and they havent been very good, that I have little faith this will make any sort of difference.

  • TheBigCheesy

    There is a possibility that a Bears victory over Detroit would clinch the division for Green Bay. Would bears fans actually prefer that?

    • Peanut FTW

      Honestly, I couldn’t care less. There is no rivalry with GB anymore. You need tough fought contests and never be able to know who will win to have a rivalry. You know prior to the game GB will win and it hasn’t been close, so where the rivalry? Our only current division rivalry is Minnesota.

      • TheBigCheesy

        The rivalry between the “current” rivalry is irrelevant. Teams go through peaks and valleys and the balance of power shifts. It happens. The entirety of the rivalry is what’s most interesting, especially with these two teams. I think Chicago has one or two more division championships than Green Bay, and they lead the overall head to head series 93-91. These franchises are still incredibly close in almost every category and Chicago is eclipsed by Green Bay only in championships.

        The history of the bears is the best part about following that team. They still have the best winning percentage of any franchise, and the opportunity to build on that should be enough by itself to draw interest for every game they play

        • CanadaBear

          Tell me all about the joys of historical football once you guys are the lauging stock of the league. Fuck That!

          • TheBigCheesy

            You might be A laughingstock, but you can’t be THE laughingstock; that would be New Orleans

          • GPLDAN

            Go watch your Falcons game and leave us alone.

            We’ve taken to drinking heavily.

          • TheBigCheesy

            The winner of tonight’s game will retain 1st place in their division. The loser will be outside of the playoff picture. And the line on the game is 13 points. Pretty crazy

          • BearDown100393

            The Saints will reload. The spotlight glares brighter on Chicago.

          • GPLDAN

            When Harbaugh goes to Oakland, is Oakland no longer a laughing stock?

          • BearDown100393

            Saying no to Michigan?

          • GPLDAN

            I give Ann Arbor a 1% chance of landing Harbaugh.

          • Oakland might have found their starting QB and HB of the future.
            I also think he’s been sacked very few times, which reveals a decent oline or very heady QB.

            I think we might be the laughing stock because we’re going to fire Tucker, then hire a lame DC because what big name is going to jump on board the Trestman sinking ship?

            The Jets are still clown shoes though. What happens when they draft Winston!?

            Holy cow!

          • TheBigCheesy

            Well yeah, the saints probably have more going for them than the Bears (in addition to playoff hopes) but that’s because the Saints are (probably) the better team. Which makes their season an even bigger disappointment. If you’re talking about the franchise that is the most fucked, you’d probably have to go with the jets. Their QB situatuion is even worse than Chicagos and they’re in the bigger market.

          • BearDown100393

            I’d agree about the Jets situation. Good point.

        • BearDown100393

          There is no rivalry. It is dead. No fault to Green Bay. Full discredit to Halas Hall for ruining it.

    • CanadaBear

      Nothing personal Cheesy but Bears fans don’t give a fuck either way. Both teams can rot in hell for all we care. At this current moment I have respect for the Fudgies and no respect for the Kitties. If GB went back to their cheap shotting ways under Gregg I would hate them more. Simple as that.

  • Peanut FTW

    Jeff Fisher is kinda awesome. He sent all of the players the Rams got as a result of the RG3 trade out for the coin toss prior to pantsing the skins.

    • GPLDAN

      Bold.

    • BearDown100393

      Dan Snyder’s squad of turds was shutout. Apparently Snyder’s media scribe overlooked the significance of the coin toss.

  • Viva

    I keep trying to think of what this team reminds me of, so far I have come up with:
    1. The tail end of Mike Tyson’s career.
    2. The “selling nothing” scene from History of The World Part 1
    and now this, which I think is perfect:
    The 2014 version of the Chicago Bears is the equivalent of the Matrix sequels. I loved The Matrix. I have literally scene it over a hundred times. I use the “there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path” speech as motivation in my life all the time…and then came the sequel. More interested in visual-effect than theme: it sucked when it should have been special… Just like these Bears.

    • GPLDAN

    • BearDown100393

      Mike Tyson was a champion. These Bears definitely are not. The Matrix analogy is spot on.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Wow awesome Matrix comparison! The first Matrix was soooo damn good compared to the piss poor sequels.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Bear Fans are mightily disappointed.

    Any more so than 49er or Saint fans?

    Wonder if Harbaugh STILL thinks Kaepernick is …”Great. With a capital G” ?

  • GPLDAN

    I am sure @RapSheet got the comment from inside the Bears but I doubt that individual carries weight of organization behind him.

    Are you talking about Ian Rappaport’s source?

    Talking about how Cutler is a disappointment and how they have buyer’s remorse?

    Did I not tell you the leaks would start coming? Did I not say this was the next step in the devolution?

    ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

    Looks like Ian won’t name his source, any more than your fictional “close” source that calls it BS. I will say this, Jeff. Rappaport is a NFL Network guy. He’s national. And, he spent the entire morning with Mully and Handley defending Marc Trestman and calling him a “great coach in a bad situation”.

    Which Mully especially thought was so much horse shit. So, you say? So the fuck what?

    I say this: my guess as to who leaked that to Rappaport? Trestman’s agent. That’s who. That’s REAL modern warfare in the corporate age, FUCK Call of Duty.

    • BearDown100393

      Was there anything really earth shattering from those undisclosed statements? Not really.

      • GPLDAN

        What we have now is PR warfare by people trying to set the narrative and help themselves out. It’s ugly, it’s more beltway than Midway, but it’s how the game is played.

        • BearDown100393

          I understand but is it really career saving to remain with the Bears these days?

          • TheBigCheesy

            I doubt he’d get another chance elsewhere so…. Yes

          • BillW

            And given the Bears history, anything resembling an improvement could actually get Trestman an extension. A few unlikely victories next year (catching teams at the right time) and say a 9-7 record with such things falling into place and voila! Four more years.

            I am – unfortunately – dead serous. Happened with Wanny and Jauron (though they made the playoffs) but the concept still applies.

          • GPLDAN

            Um….. yes.

            If Trestman gets bounced at the end of the year, he’s bounced from the NFL for good, and the CFL may not want him back. He’s fighting for his life now, and any means necessary is good enough for him. Fuck all that “grow the man” shit, he’s the kind of guy who would excel at underhanded politics. He made it in the Bond trader world after all.

          • BearDown100393

            I understand the point but Trestman is already on life support career wise even with the Bears. Whether he is fired now or a year from now, does it really matter? He will be paid either way. As for other opportunities, how much would change?

        • Trac

          The best possible PR statement would be for the front office to invoke the dreaded “R” word. It’s the only way to lower the expections and slow down the mob.

    • BillW

      I said it on the last thread. The story is likely a lazy writer’s “interpretation” of a comment that was far less juicy. Emery probably said “it didn’t work out as I expected” and it got blown up by someone (the source or Rap himself) to “buyer’s remorse”. I have little respect for internet journalists like that. It simply doesn’t add up. If Emery really said it, he might as well be saying “please fire me” and “I have no intention of working in the NFL again”.

      Because who would hire a guy who guarantees 54 million and has buyer’s remorse less than a full season in? Or who would admit it?

      • GPLDAN

        That’s why I ruled Phil out. What’s bad for Cutler is bad for Emery.

        It’s like playing a game of Clue. Mean Mister Mustard with the candlestick in the conservatory. In this case, the guy most likely to have mustard on his shirt is Columbo. I mean Nessman.

        • BillW

          Sad thing for me is I don ‘t even find the potential backstabbing and face saving interesting with this crew. The Lovie/Jerry/ Chico/Babich/OC of the month soap opera was actually interesting.

          This? Who the f*ck cares?

          • GPLDAN

            Besides Rex Ryan, probably not many.

        • BillW

          Just caught the Mean Mr Mustard reference. Beatles fan?

  • Trac

    Hey GP, I heard Michigan is close to naming a HC? Any ideas?

    • GPLDAN

      Really? I hadn’t heard that. That would mean they are going to allow the interim AD to make that call?

      the only way an interim AD makes a HC announcement is if the HC is a giant slam dunk.

      The only giant slam dunk UM has on it’s radar is Les Miles. So there you go, that would be my reasoning.

      • Trac

        Word on the street is he’s a well known commodity.

        • GPLDAN

          That would leave Miles or – in a total stunner – Harbaugh.

          • Trac

            I’ve always been a Michigan fan. Stopped following them after Bo moved on.

          • GPLDAN

            Well, that was the last time they were any threat to the Buckeye’s supremacy.

            If you had told Bo back then that after 2000, only MSU would give Ohio State any trouble at all, he would have come across the table at you.

  • GPLDAN

    Cheesy,

    I’m gonna need Vadgers to throw like 6 TDs and no pics, maybe run for one more, to square up with Johnny Waffle in the FF playoffs. Make that happen, please.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      every TE I get ends up on IR and I only have backup RB’s. You should overtake me easily.

      • GPLDAN

        I have a vicious karma debt to pay for being stupid enough to pay real fake money for Cam Newton and Zac Stacy.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          Cam’s foot is about to fall off and his ribs may be broken.

    • You need a Fitzpatrick-esque performance lol

  • Can I say A and B are equally important, and expand that to young guys in general?

  • BillW

    Trying to make myself interested in the side show since that’s the only entertainment the Bears can provide.

    Emery is screwed reputation wise in my opinion. As much as Angelo is/was. Remeber Jerry earlier this year criticizing Cutler? WTF Jerry! You gave up the farm for him AND hired the coaches that were supposed to make it work out. Presumably he has no inclination to be a GM again. Who’d hire a guy who makes a decision like that and comments on the player later like he had NOTHING to do with it?

    Which brings us to Emery. Phil – you signed him to an extension (when you could have franchised him). And you hired the coach who was supposed to make it work. And it hasn’t. So which decision was the wrong one? And why should anyone ever trust you to make a decision like that again.

    (Johnny – Yes, FAR more problems than Cutler. I’m simply referring to the two biggest decisions Emery has made. One – or both – were clearly wrong.)

  • BillW

    In answer to the poll, nothing is important to me GIVEN the likelihood that this same cast of characters will be back next year except Tucker. And he will be replaced by an unproven commodity since anyone with a resume and a brain will avoid the lame duck coaching situation we will have yet again.

    Lack of quality coaching will make it unlikely for any of the youngsters to develop to their real potential. A losing streak next year will likely create turmoil – since I really doubt there is ANYONE on the team who believes in what Trestman is selling.

    Maybe someone will convince the brain trust of this and reset the narrative. The last three games might advance that story because if they get blown out once or twice more the Bears may be forced to actually rethink this whole thing.

    I remain curiously optimistic. I hold out hope with the centennial only a few years away that the Bears might actually want to be relevant.

  • GPLDAN

    Here you go Trac – a reason that the AD committee might pressure Miles to do his presser pre-bowl game: stop the bleeding.

    Clark was the first to decommit following Hoke’s dismissal, but he’s hardly alone in leaving the U-M class. He is the eighth prospect to decommit since January, leaving the Maize and Blue with just six remaining committed players. That is the fewest of any BCS-conference program in the nation, with only Florida’s nine commitments even coming close. -USA Today

    • BerwynBomber

      They should go after Mullen at Miss. State.

    • Trac

      Yup. Ain’t no way Michigan is a quit fix though.

  • GPLDAN
    • Trac

      No, it’s right above him. Haha. I’d be playing evra rook to the best of their abilities from here on out.

  • Great piece by Dan Durkin breaking down film of why the offense is struggling. Points to issues with playcalling and execution.

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/12/08/durkin-no-offense-bears-part-two/

    • Trac

      Preaching to the choir. Thanks anyhow.

    • Big Mike

      It also is a testament to a weak scheme and missing an effective blocking back/tight end.

    • GPLDAN

      Nice article.

      As pointed out in part one, the Bears’ lack of a second tight end who can function as both a physical in-line tight end as well as a H-back or fullback has limited their two-back running schemes like lead and isolation and turned them into a one-back running team that frequently runs from an off-set shotgun formation with linemen in a two-point stance.

      This makes Thayer CRAY_ZEE. He HATES IT that the Bears attempt to establish the run with 2 point stances. Says it’s so stupid, it’s beneath discussion.

    • BillW

      I don’t know Durkin’s credibility but if JWood posts it, that’s good enough for me.

      If even half of what Durkin says is on the mark, how in the world could they consider keeping Trestman? Trying to establish a running game out the shotgun? A QB that often neglects wide open receivers? And opposing defenses being drawn to the ball because of obvious tendencies?

      Continues with my theory that Trestman overthinks himself. Or is so in love with his plays he simply assumes they will work anytime. Or really believes his BS about it all looks so wonderful in practice.

      • It’s not even about running out of shotgun. It’s running out of shotgun with the proper personnel running back.
        Forte does many great things, but he’s not exactly a stop-and-go HB who can accelerate on a dime. HBs like Sproles, McCoy, Charles can run very effectively out of shot-gun.
        I think Forte takes a lil more while to get moving, and as such is more effective lining up in more traditional formations, and pitches.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          to quote MB, THIS!!!!

          it is why no team is really worried about our running game when we are in the shotgun. It is why Forte only has 1 20+ yard runs this year. Run the ball in a traditional formation. Make the other team put 8 in the box, will help the passing game, will help the play action. This shit is not rocket science. Hell our O-Line will love it.

      • BearDown100393

        “Locking into his receivers also leads to lapses in Cutler’s
        mechanics, as he will commonly throw with his feet not set and his torso pointing at his target, opposed to his front shoulder. This leads to throws that are all arm that don’t arrive on target, even with elite arm strength.

        This pass is an example of that very scenario. He’s locked in on Forte with a loose lower body framework — meanwhile, Santonio Holmes is wide open over the middle — on a pass that’s intercepted and returned for a pick-six.”

        No offensive scheme can fix that. And neither can any coordinator. This is professional football. Fundamentals are to be practiced and should not have to be learned.

      • oh man Durkin is great. One of the best Bears writers out there, IMO.

  • I still want to see the how the young guys do. Bostic, Shea, Jones, Vereen, and esp Hurst because if Hurst can man the nickle, or even prove he can hang on the outside (and Jennings then plays nickle) that can save us a draft pick. Well, I guess If Jones and Bostic prove worthy, that goes for them too.
    Still hoping Sharpton actually plays so we can evaluate him properly. But maybe the Bears are trying to “hide” him?
    Need to see Wilson on the outside a bit.
    Even though I’m underwhelmed by Carey, need to use him more to preserve Forte. Never know anyways. Carey has looked a bit more explosive than his college film showed.
    I know Jeff doesn’t like the idea of moving Long to OT, but if there ever was a time to experiment, perhaps now? Find out about Mills, Ola and Groy.
    Also, what would it hurt to see some more Clausen? I guess the Bears don’t want to the deal with the shit storm if Clausen comes in and lights it up. If Cutler was only franchised, I seriously think we would’ve seen Clausen in already in a few games.
    Also, Mid-field Mariani!
    Do we have a competent returner in him?

    • you can never have too many solid CBs. I definitely want them to draft one this year, no matter how good Hurst is. Let 4 guys duke it out for PT in camp.

      • I’m guessing we’ll hover around #10 in the draft, which will definitely be high enough to get a top CB.
        But many are already assuming Landon Collins to the Bears at that spot.
        But I still believe we need to get more of a pass rush. If Hurst comes on, then CB becomes less of a need. Might be able to get a cheapy FA who can also play specials at CB.

        • Trac

          Right now we would draft 7th I think.

        • I would love a top pass rusher in round 1. Really any impact D player is fine by me. Don’t care about position. Just take the best defensive player available.

          I’m not saying draft CB in round 1. Just get one somewhere in the first few rounds.

        • CanadaBear

          Are you crazy? Another first rd CB? We desperately need a stud LB. If there is a consensus #1 LB and he’s there when we pick, grab him. We have absolutely zero at LB. Bostic can’t cover, Williams and Briggs are gone, Greene is always a healthy scratch, Jones looks like a keeper but he isn’t exactly a slam dunk and Sharpton can’t stay healthy (throughout his short career). I won’t even bother to list CD.

          • BlameAngelo

            And pass on Landon Collins?

    • Peanut FTW

      I think Mariani is at least worth a look for 2015. We definitely looked around and he is the best we saw.. by a lot.
      I like the physical nature of Sharpton but if he is going to be injured every other game like Conte, then I don’t know. My assumption is that from here on, if games get away from us, you’ll get to see Clausen a lot more. And any starters, like Jeffery that so much as get a hangnail should be on IR.

      • Yeah, that was the knock on Sharpton. Just wonder if it’s bad luck, or he’s just one of those players perennially injured (like Bob Sanders).
        But put his INJ prone status aside, we need to find out if that ATL game was an anomaly, or if that’s the true Sharpton, because if it is, then he’s definitely worth bringing in to at least compete next off-season.

        • Sharpton is the Brock Forsey of our LB corps.

          • You wake up this morning and say, “You know what? I’m dropping a Brock Forsey reference today somehow.”

          • i wake up EVERYDAY saying i’m going to drop a brock forsey reference. but the lord only shines his light upon me every so often.

  • I guess this is the Rappaport “report” on Cutler?

    NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports the Bears have “serious buyer’s remorse” after re-signing Jay Cutler to a seven-year, $126.7 million contract last January.
    Per Rapoport, there is doubt inside the organization that they can win with Cutler and the Bears briefly considered benching him in the Week 12 win over the Bucs. There’s nothing Chicago can really do with Cutler this offseason except trade him. They’d eat $19 million in dead money by releasing him before 2016. Cutler leads the league in turnovers and has the 5-8 Bears in last place in the NFC North. We’d bet somebody would trade for Cutler if the Bears are serious about dumping him.

    And this is the Tresty vote of confidence

    Speaking Monday, Bears coach Marc Trestman insisted the team has “never wavered” on Jay Cutler as its starting quarterback.
    Trestman’s endorsement comes one day after NFL Network reported the Bears were having “serious buyer’s remorse” after giving Cutler a seven-year, $126.7 million deal in January. Cutler is on pace for 4,241 yards, and a new career-best 32 scores, but his play has gone in the gutter during the second half of the season. The majority of his numbers have been amassed in garbage time, with Cutler mostly limited to dinking and dunking with games still in doubt. Cutler turns 32 in April.

    Rotoworld

    • GPLDAN

      I guess there are plenty of assistant coaches who might want to throw Cutler under the bus. But now many would be privy to the knowledge that Cutler might get benched?

      Who has the most to gain from the leak? Who is Rappaport’s Depp Throat?

      • I dont think it’s Trestman. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Bmarsh. He already called the team out (and allegedly cutty) . He’s frustrated and might blame him for his lack of production. God knows he’s not shy w media. He also would know in game if cutty was getting benched.
        As the bears turn…

        • GPLDAN

          Good guess.

      • I think the benching rumor is 1 of 2 things:

        1) BS. You’ll never hear me say that Cutler is a great player, and he hasn’t been great this year, but I can name 10 starters playing worse than him who aren’t being benched without blinking an eye. There is no QB on the roster close to his caliber, so he’s not getting benched.

        2) A desperate attempt by Trestman to save his own skin. The O, Trestman’s supposed area of expertise, is underperforming woefully. The 2nd problem is that Trestman can’t bench the real source of the problem unless he decides to quit. So he tries to scapegoat Cutler as the source of the problem, and the sad part is a lot of the media and fans are falling for it.

      • BlameAngelo

        Need two different sources for a story.

  • MB, Johhny Football time!

    A source “connected to the Browns’ quarterback situation” estimated to CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora that there’s a “99 percent chance” Johnny Manziel starts in Week 15 against the Bengals.
    “Maybe even 99.5 percent,” La Canfora added. If Browns coach Mike Pettine watched the Week 14 tape, there won’t be any doubt. Brian Hoyer left at least 150 passing yards and two touchdowns on the field against the Colts, missing wide open receivers, and was the primary reason Cleveland blew a comfortable lead in its 25-24 defeat. Hoyer has a 1:8 TD-to-INT ratio over his last four games. He’s been the NFL’s worst quarterback during that span. _ Rotoworld

    I got him last week in FF and got burned! but hopefully, he’s in like swchinn!

    #$$$

  • GPLDAN

    Despite the Bears incompetent, horrific season to forget – the post-season is shaping up to look pretty fun with some great matchups and no clear favorite to win it all.

    • The Eagles’ D actually showed me that they can contain SEAs read-option.
      Their O actually sputtered, and left the D out their too long, but that D can work in the playoffs.
      That would be my “surprise” team that makes a run in the NFC.
      The AFC, well, same ole same ole. Brady, then Manning.
      Colts will be eliminated again. They’re just too erratic, like their QB.
      The Steelers or Ravens due to their championship experience can make a serious run. I esp like the Steelers riding Bell/Brown/Bryant, but their Defense is just getting gashed.

      • GPLDAN

        Steelers got hot for a bit, then the D cooled.

        • BearDown100393

          Cooled and aging by the second.

    • NewBearInTown

      I’ve been going through a reset the past couple of weeks where I’m refocusing on the league as a football fan rather than a Bears fan. There’s always a lull in the middle while I get emotionally invested in some storylines.
      The Browns were a really fun underdog story until about two weeks ago. Now the Hoyer/Manziel thing is just another boring QB controversy about two middle of the road options.

      • BerwynBomber

        I’m willing to check out Manziel for a game or two. I don’t think he will translate but it should be interesting nevertheless.

        I just don’t want Cincy to make it. I have no faith in Dalton in the post-season.

  • If you see Vadgers running around with wood, that’s because ESPN just blew him for about 2 hours straight.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    “Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the sport but this defense has no chance to win a title.”

    Agreed. Give him the MVP now but come playoff time the Cheese’s D will eventually be forced to win a game (as it always happens in the post-season) and my guess is they won’t be able to deliver.

    Seattle looks like the most complete NFC team to me but they still need to close out the season given where they stand.

    • BearDown100393

      Home field advantage will be huge in NFC Championship Game.

      • BerwynBomber

        Maybe not at Lambeau. Cheese have lost two playoff games there in the last three or four years. One to the Giants; one to the Niners. I’ll cut them a little slack in that a) the G-Men went on to win the SB, and b) the Niners were a superior team. Still, they’ve lost there and wouldn’t shock me if it were happen to again.

        And I’m not sold on AZ and home-field either.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    “For all those making excuses for Bears offense, this is how you fight when you have no defense.”

    Spot on, Blogfather. Gutty effort by Atlanta. And Julio Jones was the second best football player on the field tonight before he went down. Dude’s a load.

  • BerwynBomber

    You won’t hear this often from an HC about an opposing player. Wonder if Lewis/Manziel crossed paths in the first CLE/CIN tilt.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12002151/marvin-lewis-cincinnati-bengals-coach-calls-john-manziel-midget

  • RenoBear

    Sooo at the bottom of this article BMarsh lists off a few players etc who came to check on him in hospital with his punctured lung and broken ribs… His boy Cutler not named. And was very cool towards him in his comments. I like Weiderer’s articles, he’s not biased so this does add to my belief that the love affair/ bromance of Cutty-Marsh may be truly in its final throes…

    • RenoBear
      • BerwynBomber

        This is more surprising than the Cutty/Kromer/Forte criticism of Trestman a week or so ago.

        BMarsh tossing his guy Cutty under the bus? Yowza. Wonder if their relationship cooled after BM’s rant following the Miami game.

      • “It doesn’t always fall on him[Cutler]. I guess that’s why those guys are the highest paid players out there. Because when you win and everything is going good, they get all the glory. And when it’s bad, they take more than what they should take. But I can understand that as far as as a
        business man, I would have buyer’s remorse, too.” – Bmarsh

        Wow. Like buying a used Yugo from a somewhat shady Eastern Bloc dealer with missing fingers.

        • Trac

          And being told it’s a big boy car. Hee hee

        • GPLDAN

          Uh oh.

        • selling that as “Marshall has buyer’s remorse with Cutler’s contract,” like the media is doing, is absolute horse shit.

          • It’s a bit of double-speak. It’s like your best bud saying, “If I were a douchbag, I would totally ram your hot wife. Luckily, I’m not, but I can understand the sentiment.”

            It’s just unnecessary to say. I’m not sure how “As a business man, I would have buyer’s remorse too.” can be misinterpreted. Bmarsh will probably twist it into, “Well, I’m a baller, and Jay is my QB” etc but Bmarsh is basically saying, “From an objective perspective, yes, Cutler is not worth that contract.”
            That’s my take. That’s what I thought was implied, But I expect it to be totally twisted by the P.R. dept.

    • BillW

      C’mon guys. Nothing inflamatory on what BMarsh said. They are all saying the same thing – it didn’t work out they way they expected. No shit, Sherlock. So to say “buyer’s remorse” is natural. Doesn’t mean they are getting rid of Jay.

      Let’s say I pay way too much for a big screen TV and realize it isn’t worth the money. Do I throw it away and buy another one? No – it’s a sunk cost and I make my next decisions based on the fact that I can’t return it and get my money back.

  • johnnywad

    You know what’s surprising? All of the surprise at the fact that maybe the “running” quarterback thing isn’t really the future of the NFL. I still can’t believe the world assumed that’s where this all ended.

    First, it takes an extraordinary athlete to even give it a try. An extraordinary athlete on an NFL field. There are what, maybe five guys that can even do it?

    Second, it has been tried over and over again. It never proves to work long term. Teams figure it out, its hard to throw on the run when needed and their bodies don’t hold up to the sustained abuse. They’re the number one target on the field. Move them out in the open and watch their head get knocked off.

    If athletes like Michael Vick in his prime, and Can Newton who is even bigger, and RGIII and Kap, and the like can’t sustain success with it, why keep trying to draft that guy? Nope, give me a 6′-3″ pure pocket passer with a big arm, and giant brain. That’s your guy. Screw the running QB.

    • BerwynBomber

      Tend to agree, though I’d put even a finer point on it and say give me a 6’5″ pocket passer. PManning, Brady, R-berger, Rivers, Ryan, Flacco, Newton, Eli, etc,, — those dudes are all 6’5″ or above. Brees (6’0″) and Rodgers (6’2″) are the exceptions. Jay at 6’3″ is probably average size these days.

      I suspect in 20 years time we will see 6’7″ dudes as signal-callers.

    • Big Mike

      There is also no way for it to translate from College to the Pros. The defenses are too smart and too fast. A mobile QB is a bonus. Moving around behind the line of scrimmage is the top priority. Second is the ability to make a defense pay for not accounting for a QB run at all.

    • there’s a difference between a “running QB” and a “QB who can run.”

      Running QBs are runners first who never learn how to properly read a defense and play quarterback. Think Vick, RG3, and maybe Kaepernick.

      QBs who can run are guys who can play QB well but can also take off and run when need be. Think Wilson, Cam, and going farther back, Cunningham, Young.

    • BlameAngelo

      Bryce Petty? Do you take him in round two or three if he’s there?

      • johnnywad

        I’ve watched maybes ten college games this year. I couldn’t even tell you who the kid plays for.

  • GPLDAN

    Right now the response, “just make it fucking stop” is winning Jeff’s poll.

  • GPLDAN

    From the “tee hee” file:

    My picture I made years ago with MorphThing and put on Photobucket is now trending, according to an email I got from Photobucket

    http://s838.photobucket.com/user/MikeD-2010/media/jeff-george-jpg–jaycutler-jpg.jpg.html

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “National media sells CUTLER IS HIGHEST PAID PLAYER!!! Followers of team know the contract was brilliantly constructed by Phil, Cliff & Ted.”

    Why is this so bothersome to you? He is THE highest paid player in the NFL this year. Not next year. Not 2016. This year. Is there something not factual about that statement?

    P.S. I don’t know if it is as easy to get out of as you think.

    • GPLDAN

      We’ll see how fucking brilliant it was when they have to eat a big part of it just to trade him.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I don’t get the “brilliant” part at all. I would think even the biggest Cutty lovers would admit Bears may have overpaid. Cutty’s contract and PE’s hiring of Trestman loom over everything. It is fine if you want to say the entire offense is expensive. I get that. But I don’t know how that excuses Cutler. Odd.

        Btw, I don’t think the Bears will trade him. And frankly it might not be worth it. But it’s not because the contract is “brilliant”.

        • BillW

          Here’s the thing – unless there is evidence that Cutler would have taken less, he’s not overpaid. Personally I think in hindsight he should have been franchised. But that’s hindsight. Given the offense success last year I can see paying him market value. It didn’t work out. But it’s a sunk cost.

          And while the contract might not have been “brilliant” from what I understand the Bears essentially paid him only a bit more than what two consecutive franchise tags would have cost.

          So you show him the love of a contract – give yourself an out after two years – and avoid any hard feelings that might come from the franchise tag (which players seem to hate).

          Now I don’t follow college football but please tell me even as high as the Bears will draft, what player is out there that would be a clear cut improvement over Cutler next year? Sure – we could use the money to help the defense, but would the team as a whole be better off? Especially with Trestman still coaching (as I’m sure he will)?

          Maybe – but not clearly. So the Cutler deal made sense and was constructed as flexibly as could be expected.

          It just didn’t work out.

          • BerwynBomber

            Comparing a rookie QB to Cutler makes no sense. What do you mean? If you draft a kid you are not going to pay him $20M a year.

            Or to put it another way Mark Sanchez is being paid $2M on a one year contract. Jay Cutler is being paid $58M on a 3 year contract. It is not whether Jay Cutler is better than Mark Sanchez. It is whether he is ten times better (per the salary). Or a rookie, if you will.

            You do realize that NFL teams have a finite amount they can spend, correct? The Cutler money saved could be use on, I don’t know, a defense?

          • BillW

            Dead thread but a clarification anyway:
            Given where we were last year, Cutler is not overpaid. Now if we could somehow see that the offense was going to regress so badly and he’d lead the league in turnovers without a compensating amount of scoring, then of course you’d not sign him. But that’s hindsight.

            Now I agree that if we franchised him there would be a temptation to dump him now and use the money on the defense. So I see your point that a cheaper QB next year along with money spent on the defense could well be a net gain.

    • people sell it as this contract being worse than Flacco’s but Flacco’s gets worse over time, while Cutler’s is essentially a 3 year deal. The contract was constructed to not be cumbersome over time, while most QB contracts before that were ballooning as they went on.

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