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Benching Jay Cutler Last Drop of Jelly in Bears Dysfunctional Donut

| December 18th, 2014

Miami Dolphins at Chicago Bears

Monday night against the New Orleans Saints was the last straw.

Even an amateur’ analyst’s passing glance at the game tape would recognize a quarterback almost purposely ignoring the offensive system in which he’s being asked to execute. At ten or more moments in that contest Jay Cutler passed on the opportunity to hit an open man underneath, instead choosing to fling the ball down the field, often to nobody in particular. A week earlier Bears offensive coordinator Aaron Kromer had Sally Fielded the locker room with tears, admitting to an act of sideline treason and breaking the sacred covenant of the locker room by admonishing his quarterback publicly.

The Saints game was a Monday night mutiny by Cutler and no one on earth could convince me the quarterback was not calculated in his futility. A week earlier Trestman had refused the opportunity to fire a coordinator well-deserving of the slow, security guard aided walk to the front sidewalk. Monday night’s game tape was an opportunity knocking too loudly. Trestman fired Cutler as Bears starting quarterback.

Why Did He Do It?

First, let’s look at the reasons he did not do it. He did not do it for any evaluative reasons; going with Jimmy Clausen against one of the league’s best defenses offers the Bears no information that can help them moving forward. He did not do it to save Cutler’s health for prospective trade opportunities or diminish his value as any team interested in acquiring Cutler’s services knows exactly what he is and would not be swayed by anything occurring over the final fortnight. He certainly did not do it to light spark into his lifeless offense. That dog stopped hunting before the kids put costumes on.

He did it because the decision makes clear publicly that Trestman is resting the failings of the 2014 Bears not on he and his offensive staff but squarely on the shoulders of his quarterback. Trestman’s decision to end Cutler’s season is both the first moment of inspired leadership by the head coach and the last gasps for air from a drowning man.

After all, how many non-kick returners has Trestman benched this season? Even as the defense has matched the grotesqueness of 2013 with an equally grotesque 2014 no player on or coach of that unit has been admonished in the open and none of the starters have been sent to the bench. Jermon Bushrod and Roberto Garza continue to be sent out with the starting offensive line even as they deliver poor performance after poor performance.

Accountability under Trestman only goes for the quarterback because it’s the only position on the field Trestman truly understands and thus is the only position he is capable of scrutinizing to the point of demotion. If Trestman were The Linebacker Whisperer or The Right Tackle Whisperer we might be ignoring the excommunications of Shea McClellin or Jordan Mills tonight.

Cutler does not deserve to be singled out. He does not deserve to be the scapegoat. He deserves blame for the offensive failings but no more than the head coach or offensive line or checked out number one receiver. Taking him AND ONLY HIM off the field is another wrong-headed move in a series of wrong-headed moves by Trestman. Even if Cutler continued to struggle over these final two weeks his behavior in the aftermath of the Kromer reveal should have warranted he be given the dignified reward of finishing the season as Bears quarterback.

Seems ironic that only week after delivering his most mature and likable performance in front of the press it now becomes possible Cutler will never deliver another as starting quarterback of the Chicago Bears.

Cutler is an easy target for the Chicago columnist and national football writer. He is also an easy sell to send to the bench because his mistakes are loud. They are large.  And his well-discussed demeanor does not align with what these individuals consider proper football leadership. Cutler will be seen laughing on the sideline Sunday with a teammate. That laughing will be perceived as his acceptance of the demotion. It will mean nothing of the sort.

Does this benching mean the end of Cutler’s tenure in Chicago? We won’t know until we hear from Emery, McCaskey and the lot at Halas Hall. But one thing is certain: this may never truly be his team again.

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  • ML

    Outstanding article. This is a better take then all of the beat writers. You nailed it – finally some balls from Trest, but completely misdirected and based only on his expertise. As frustrating as Cutty can be, he deserves better. Tough to win when playing down 30 every game and being expected to score 40+ every game.

    • underway

      You had me until the last sentence. The O is part of the reason we were down. 3 and outs plagued that unit. Putting an already mediocre D back out on the field time after time. I think I read the D spent 33 minutes on the field Monday Night. We constantly lose the TOP battle. We sold our souls for Offense and they didnt Deliver. Cutty is the highest paid player in the NFL…. let that sink in… But he is not the only culprit, just as stated above the scapegoat… But that is a costume he has earned….

      • AlbertInTucson

        Agreed.

        That the offense waits until they’re down double digits to show ANYTHING is one of the reasons they ARE down double digits.

        Monday’s game was the poster child for that disease.

      • ML

        Fair point. But Trest calls bubble screens through the first 3 quarters. When Cutler runs no huddle and calls his own plays at the end of the game things work better. I almost view it as Trest over thinking things instead of turning Cutty loose. Point is – there is so much blame to go around on this team and many players performing way worse that get let off the hook. Statistically, this is one of Cutlers best seasons. Can’t win in the NFL giving up 29 points per game on defense.

        • underway

          Sure you can, you just have to score 30 ppg. Which is what this offense was allegedly built to do. This is the thinking when you become an offensive minded team… If we lost every game 35-30. I dont think anyone would be surprised or even bothered. Because we knew coming in the D was suspect… We just expected more from this Cutler lead O…. To many weapons, to much money invested. I just pray the Halas Homies dont get cold feet when its time to start handing out walking papers… Gotta cut the cancer GM/HC/QB/DC/OC all gotta go… plus some dead weight vets…

          • underway

            But replace QB with who? I dont get paid enough to solve that problem.

      • Doc Hamstring

        I agree that I was in until the last sentence, too. If Cutler survives the coming purge, it certainly WILL be his team again. Because he’d be the only one left.

    • SC Dave

      More excuses for Cutler. It never, NEVER ends. Truly mind-boggling.

      • BlameAngelo

        I think it’s about to Dave. Finally.

    • BlameAngelo

      Tough to win when you have a QB who doesn’t protect the ball or give a shit generally.
      And Trest doesn’t have any balls. Ditka would have benched him after a game or two of doing it solo – he only let McMahon get away with changing calls because he excelled at it and was usually right.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blogfather:

    A) “Even an amateur analyst’s passing glance at the game tape would recognize a quarterback almost purposely ignoring the offensive system in which he’s being asked to execute”.

    B) “Cutler does not deserve to be singled out.”

    I submit that if “A” is true, “B” is not.

    • Scharfinator

      Yup.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Farewell, my sweet prince.

    • beninnorcal

      If you liked him you’re going to absolutely love whoever they put under center to replace him. That’s what my 30 or so years of Bear fan-dom tell me. The Bears are going back to doing the dance, the qb shuffle.
      One thing you’ve been right about, and I hate to say it, the Bears still suck. You win again, Cheesy. Aaron Rodgers and the Pack are the best ever and will undoubtedly win the next 10 Super Bowls, at least. Now run along, winner.

      • TheBigCheesy

        I just hope they don’t bring back Kyle “5-2 against the packers” Orton. He scares the living shit out of me.

      • SC Dave

        It is highly likely that Jay Cutler has the worst record versus Green Bay of any Bears QB in the history of the franchise.

  • Old broken romanian Jericho

    The 90’s have officially begun again. Chicago fans deserve exactly what they’re going to get. And with that I leave this place and these people i’ve come to despise.

    • beninnorcal

      I’m with you, Yonny. They know not what they ask for. If not Cutler then who? The answer to that question is like 14 different qb’s in a row.
      Makes it easier for the next coach to stick around when you can keep blaming back-to-back shitty qb’s, one after the other.

    • beninnorcal

      Not with you on you bailing tho, Johnny. This place desperately needs you’re posts. Don’t go, fella.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        gotta go man, before i would rage at these fools and cool off for a couple of days. Now it’s different. The Bears are actively choosing failure by benching the QB and i can’t support that level of pussiness.
        The main issue i have is not Cutler getting benched. It’s that Trestman, Emery and Teddy Ball Game are still going to be involved when they should be fucking axed as well. Emery and Angelo missed on so many goddamn picks and FA signings that it was bound to catch up to us. 10yrs of mismanagement is about to hit the fan and the 90’s will be the result.

        • BillW

          I ask you to see the bigger picture. What is going on is not getting rid of cutler. It’s a full on political upheaval. I will probably save my posts from the prior thread for when this all plays out

          Cutlers benching is lsnguage. Not a decision to give them a better chance Sunday

          The Bears are nowhere near winning a Super Bowl. They whole thing needs to be blown up. Like the cubs

          I, old eeyore, am optimistic that George will do the right thing

          If not then I’m gone too

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            this is not baseball and i challenge that the Cubs haven’t done shit yet/ever and were much closer to a title when they had a mix of young talent and old mercenaries.
            You don’t blow up a whole team when you have more pieces than not to stay competitive and still build.
            The fucking Cubs? c’mon man.

          • BillW

            Cubs will be contenders for years. May still never win but solid contenders.

            The Bears as organized now will not be perennial contenders. I don’t think we disagree on this. It’s got nothing to do with cutler

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i refuse to continue talking about anything that remotely references the Cubs. lol, disgraceful.

          • BillW

            If they brought in a credible football head and he said “please be patient. No quick fixes. No hit or miss free agents taking up cap space. This is going to take a while but we will be a solid team when we are done. Contending every year like others do. Not making the playoffs every now and then”

            I’d buy 6 more seat licenses and give them to my kids

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            who is this mythical “they” that would think to bring in a credible football head and replace the family/cronies in place? No one contends every year in the NFL.

      • Viva

        agreed.

    • Viva

      We may have to reinstate the draft and force you back. This is war.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        haha, i’m not mad. This was just the final straw. It’s going to get bad and the Bears brass don’t have the guys in place for a rebuild in football operation positions. It’s just going to be no name dudes getting worked shitty drafts, bad FA’s and lots of losing.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Don’t go away MAD, just go away. Oh, and don’t let the door hit you in the fanny on your way out.

      • Old broken romanian Jericho

        lol, whatever Al. Enjoy the “fans” on this board. You of all people should be disgusted at what this blog has become.

        • SC Dave

          Because we don’t all agree with you?

  • John Doe

    I am confused. The article says Cutler deliberately screwed up in the Saints game but he should not be benched?

    Why? So he can continue to ignore whatever they tell him to do and do his own thing in the last two games? How does that help?

    Cutler should have been a true professional and should have done what he was told to do..even if it was Kromer telling him to do. They are paying him $54 million dollars for gods sake.

    • beninnorcal

      So you clearly despise Cutler, who do you suggest they replace him with? Get Kordell Stewart out of retirement or bring back Sexy Rexy?

      • John Doe

        Anybody but Jay Cutler.

        Just because Bears had a string nobody QBs for years is not a good enough reason to put up with high-priced shitty Cutler with zero ability to lead offense or the locker room.

        In fact he drags the locker room down with his ridiculous pay and shitty performance on the field.

        • beninnorcal

          Alright, so let’s go back to the string of nobody’s for the next 20 years. Good plan, should be loads of fun to watch.

          • John Doe

            It is not as hopeless as you make out. Get veteran bridge QB for a year..Orton type manager. Keep developing Fales (Harbaugh called him top 5 QB in draft and Pats try to sing him to their 53. so there is some talent to work with there..

            Keep drafting a QB every year like Patriots. Garrett Grayson of CSU would be great in 2nd round of 2015 draft.

            And just like that Bears will not be condemned to QB wilderness for years and years.

          • johnnywad

            None of it matters if they can’t force the Packers to punt.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Not like we have any other needs at the moment…like, say, any single position on D. But yeah, a 2nd rounder every year at QB seems like a worthwhile strategy!

      • underway

        Losing should not have such a high price tag…. Those guys can lose for alot less!

        • John Doe

          Bingo.

        • BillW

          Really. You’d think we were one year away from a Super Bowl. We can’t even get a winning record. This dysfunction has to end. Cutler is tangled up with the two dysfunctionals. So he needs to go unfortunately.

          • underway

            I’m on the Cutler should go wagon, but thats my passion as a fan. That passion doesnt always allow to me to see or think clearly. I can see Trestman going first and let whoever comes in decide if they can “whisper” to Cutler and get him to perform. That may be the only reasoning that saves Cutlers life in Chicago. But after the benching and ego’s being crushed. My gut tells me he is finished in the Bears uniform. But I still feel he is not a leader, the winners at the position are leaders of men. Every band of misfits needs a leader… highest paid guy in the locker room and the QB you gotta be a leader…

      • Trac

        What do you do if you are the Commander of an army and your leading General disobey s a direct order? You gotta relieve him. Cutler deserves to be benched no matter how bad our O is.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          lol, jeff felt Cutler somehow disobeyed coaches with his choices of where to throw the ball and now it becomes gospel? It doesn’t mean it happened. Am i wrong?

          • John Doe

            Don’t need Jeff to tell me that Cutler was deliberately screwing it up.

            I trust my own eyes and lived and seen enough to recognize whether someone is giving a genuine effort or going through motions.

          • Trac

            Before any of this soap opera broke wind yesterday, I thought Cutty had gone all rebel yell and shit but I didn’t want to believe it. A QB must not do that Yonny, he just mustn’t.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Irony: The ONLY QB in the history of the Bears with as many as 28 TD passes in 14 games, benched.

    • BerwynBomber

      But not a huge irony. Different era now. Even QB stats from ten years ago pale to today’s. That is why I never bought the mindless “Cutty is better than McMahon/just look at the stats” argument. And lest we forget, Cutty had a league-leading 24 TOs and 18 INTs to go with those 28 TDs.
      QBs are becoming nearly impossible to judge across eras by stats.

      • SC Dave

        I posted something a couple of years ago showing that something like 11 of the top 14 ALL-TIME yardage seasons for QBs where in the most recent three seasons.

        Saying Cutler has 28 TDs is like talking about Sammy Sosa have 66 home runs. In the same way the PED era destroyed baseball’s record book in the HR category, the modern NFL and its ludicrous slant towards the passing game in the rules and their enforcement is destroying the NFL record book in the passing category.

        • Scharfinator

          Yup. How many consecutive seasons has it been that the season passing yardage record has been broken? 3?

    • BillW

      But if he intentionally screwed up as Jeff claims he deserved it

    • TheBigCheesy

      Reminds me of the Philly game last year. Cutler passes Luckman for Franchise passing yards late in garbage time. Throws a boomerang on the very next play. You just can’t make that shit up.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I gotta admit: that did define Cutty’s Bears tenure in a matter of thirty seconds.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          not the gutsy performances, not getting killed and getting back up just to get killed again? None of that? That’s unfortunate pal. The Bears won a lot of games with him at the helm.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ah, Waffle. Sorry. Just the way I feel. Hey, I think Cutty showed some guts and God knows the guy played behind some shitty O-lines. He was by no means a a complete bust. He’s a semi-talent QB. But he is also an average one in my eyes. And hell I don’t personally blame him for his contract. He wants paid like the rest of us. But the contract was a gigantic mistake in my eyes. And even that Philly memory isn’t all bad. Heck, the first part he broke Luckman’s record, but yes, the whole thing symbolized his star-crossed existence.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            The fact that you think it was just O Lines is very telling. It’s over at this point so whatever.

          • BerwynBomber

            Well, if it is any consolation to you, I think Clausen will shit the bed the last two games. But yeah, the Cutty Years could be over. Hang in there. Seriously. Even if you tell me to F off. Hang in there.

          • Scharfinator

            I have to agree with you there. Cutler is a tough son of a bitch.

    • BlameAngelo

      5 wins …. TDs don’t count for too much.. He got benched for being an arrogant SOB with 5 wins.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Arrivederci Johnny Waffle.

    I will always love you.

    Don’t worry about 2014, I won’t hold it against you. Out of respect, I promise to only remember you as the boisterous, optimistic, headstrong “Johnny Waffle Chicago” of seasons past (IIRC, you had a picture with a gerbil and a bottle of whiskey or something?). Back when the bears-packers rivalry was competive (albeit still one-sided). Back when Jay Cutler had enough “promise” for you to convince your disciples to share your bold predictions. It hurts to watch this old broken romanian jericho reduced to such resignation; it’s just not right.

    I wait anxiously for your triumphant return…..in 5-10 days.

    • Old broken romanian Jericho

      Hey, organizations make bad moves sometimes. This was just a bad move. I made 30,000 this week Cheese so i’ve got a feeling that i just may get over it somehow. Maybe i’ll find a way to take him and Kristen to dinner and we can lament what may have been.

      • TheBigCheesy

        lol “what might have been”. Yeah, if only they had given Cutler a chance. That’s the waffle I know and love.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          The window was 2009-2012 with that D and specials. I really thought a couple of NFL players on the line and maybe a WR would have been a nice little team.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            but what do i know, Angelo was the expert. He knew best.

          • BerwynBomber

            I wouldn’t disagree but I would also say that complete teams are rare in today’s NFL. Denver (via FAs) and NE (via the Belichick genius) are the closest. Even Seattle, last year, was incomplete given their O. And I’m sure Rodgers would kill to have played on the same team of a few of those Favre-era defenses.

            Not necessarily a knock on your guy Cutty but having everything is the ideal that is rarely realized.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            i was simply referring to the very real time period of 2009 to 2012 when these bears players actually existed….when a very real Jerry Angelo could have chosen to bring in NFL linemen to protect the franchise quarterback he just brought in. Instead he signed Chester Taylor and Brandon Manumaleuna? Wr’s? naw, fuck it.

          • John Doe

            I can bet right now that Jay Cutler will not win Super Bowl even on a complete team.

            And that is because Jay Cutler cannot play mistake-free football. Turnovers are even more huge in playoffs. No matter how good the the rest of the team is, Jay Cutler’s inability to string together 3-4 mistake-free games required to win Super Bowl would doom any team.

            Jay Cutler is not a winner.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            there is a reason why when guys string together a run of 3-4 games they make a fucking NFL Films special out of it.

          • BerwynBomber

            I have my doubts too. I was just trying to be a little understanding to Waffle. Gotta be a tough day for him as a fan.

            Cutty’s TOs will always be his biggest issue but this year they may have been overshadowed by his inability to put points on the board when it mattered. Put it this way, if he had Andrew Luck’s production you could live with a lot of the TOs.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            Jesus Christ Bomber i’m not some little kid that just found out that Santa doesn’t exist.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough. I didn’t mean it patronizingly.

          • Old broken romanian Jericho

            from your posts i feel like you have genuine concern that i may put on my Bears onesy and hang myself on a closet door.

          • BerwynBomber

            LOL. Okay okay okay.

          • TheBigCheesy

            to be fair, gpldan DID go looking for you in the shower….

          • beninnorcal

            Came pretty damn close in ’10, also looked really good in ’11 until the thumb thing.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yep, Cutty (IMV) always looked best that ’11 year under Martz. 7-3 and he was playing relatively smart ball.

          • John Doe

            He has played only 6 quarters of playoff football.

            He has only 1 playoff win (Same as Tebow). So nobody really knows how will he fare in playoffs and especially deep into playoffs.

            Mark Sanchez has 4 playoff wins on the road (I believe that is a record). Yes, he was playing with strong Jets Defense but he made plays on offense when they need him to make plays and did not make mistakes in those games at least.

          • johnnywad

            That D Rodgers won the Super Bowl with was nothing to sneeze at.

  • John Doe

    Florio thinks they benched him to prevent injury so that they can trade him.

    —————-

    Question: What team benches a quarterback who signed a contract that pays him $22.5 million in 2014 and another fully-guaranteed $15.5 million in 2015?

    Answer: A team that doesn’t want an injury to derail a plan to trade or cut the quarterback.

    Yes, Cutler will get $2.8125 million to not play in the final two weeks of the season. It’s an obvious effort to keep Cutler healthy, so that he can be dangled in the offseason to a team that would be willing to assume Cutler’s contract.

    —————

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/17/bears-may-be-protecting-cutler-against-injury/

    • BlameAngelo

      Makes sense when you’re about to play Detroit’s D-line. I pray someone is desperate enough to give us a first and a third, or two seconds. as long as they get spent on DL it’s all good.

  • BerwynBomber

    So does this mean that Fales becomes the #2?

    • John Doe

      I would think so. They make Cutler inactive on Sunday. Clausen will be the starter and Fales will be the back up.

      Suddenly, my interest in the game has gone up. Hope they put Fales in for at least a quarter.

      • Bender McLugh

        Right? Agree on the interest in the game, and I really want to see Fales…..

        oh wait, it’s the SAME O-line and the SAME D…………nevermind.

  • TheBigCheesy

    I’ve heard several people mention Buffalo as a landing spot for Jay Cutler. Incredibly, not one of those individuals has acknowledged the symmetry of that hypothetical scenario: he’d be driving Kyle Orton out again.

    • John Doe

      I thought about that. And the Bills team today is eerily similar to Lovie’s teams when Cuter came to Chicago.

      • SC Dave

        Why would a Cutler with six more years of tough miles, and showing little more penchant to learn from his mistakes, be attractive to a team that was in the same state as the 2009 Bears?

        • Scharfinator

          You might be giving the Bills too much credit.

    • BlameAngelo

      I hope in some sad irony that he goes to Buffalo, and we get Kyle back with a first round pick.

  • beninnorcal

    The D and Specials from ’10 plus the O from ’13, if only it were that easy. All you guys here blasting Cutler, it’s easy to do after this season, but the problem runs so much deeper.
    I gotta give credit where it’s due to BillW, he said we’d all be calling for Trestical’s head come December, I thought he was nuts, here we are. Bears hats off to you, Mr. W.

  • beninnorcal

    Seriously, Cheesy, why do you bother coming on the blog of a terrible losing team to pile on to our miseries and failures?
    Real classy there, guy. I would consider you a respected regular were it not for your tendencies to jump on here at opportune times only to put your thumbs in your ears, wiggle all your fingers, and stick your tongue out at us.

    • John Doe

      Well said. Enjoy the Packer run, man. That is much better than trolling a rival team’s site.

      • beninnorcal

        Fuck the Packers, I hope they’re eliminated in their first game. Fuck ’em.

        • Old broken romanian Jericho

          they certainly will be eliminated Ben. I am hoping that it involves Julius losing contain.

          • John Doe

            Pack shitting the bed against Buffalo will come to haunt them. Seattle will win the #1 seed if they win out and will be hard to beat at home.

            I would favor the pack if the NFCC game is at Lambeau.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I don’t know even if they would had they secured that. Their run defense could be exposed big time in cold-weather post-season games. And they’ve lost at Lambeau before.

    • TheBigCheesy

      ummm, because i’m a troll?

      • TheBigCheesy

        Seriously though, I’m always here. If you want to consider every week over the past 5 years as an “opportune time”, then you can blame that on the Bears,

        • huntinbare

          What is the attraction? Is it really that much fun?

          • SC Dave

            It’s because this blog is better than the rest.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            True.

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    • SC Dave

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  • huntinbare

    With the 183 rd pick in the 2014 NFL draft the Chicago Bears select San Jose St. quarterback David Fales.
    The one player who, although he has yet to play a single down, walks the sidelines of the Bears practices and every time he passes in front of the players, coaches, and fans eyes; he reminds them what this year has been without saying a word.
    Now after all this Fale-ure coach Marc , bristling and bewilderwd, screams out the command; in his calm, distinguished, demeanor…Cutler take a seat…CLAUSEN GET IN THERE!
    Jimmy picks up his helmet, and begins to jog toward the huddle to face the mighty blood thirsty Lions….mumbling to himself, “Surely if I wasn’t born a Clausen I would not be in this pickle.”

  • huntinbare

    Why do I believe Marc benched Jay….
    He could not bear to see Chicago’s most passionate and dedicated fan walk on his Beloved Bears.
    He did this for the sole purpose of getting Jeff to become engaged and continue to put his heart and soul and precious time back into the analysis of this lost season.
    I think Marc comes here to sit on Jeff’s couch and take therapy. Without Jeff’s help he knew he would not retain his sanity over the final 2 weeks. He started sweating after the “nothing” post.
    Do not fall into the trap Jeff….

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    what? oh…carry on…

  • Big Mike

    I can’t think straight. My Bear fan brain is scrambled. First we can’t play defense and our
    offense looks good, but we’re 2 games worse than the coach that got
    fired. Then we can’t play offense or defense or special teams. Then
    none of the receivers who were the 2nd (1 yard from first) best tandem
    in the NFL can’t get open or catch. Then we give our most productive,
    consistent player the ball 8x in a game we said we’d get it to him more.
    Not too mention coaches crying in front of their players because they
    might have hurt their feelings, and then benching the “franchise QB”
    just to show’em. How bad it must have gotten for Trestman to finally do
    that.

    • Viva

      The 2014 version of the Chicago Bears is like The Matrix sequel(s).

      • Big Mike

        It’s insanity. All the theories.. Here’s one. Call comes in from the NFL. You guys suck and it’s killing the ratings. Bench Cutler.

        • Viva

          I’m not a train wreck watcher. Doesn’t motivate me. You may be on to something, but than again, explain Kim Kardashian?

          • Big Mike

            Dat ass… I kid, I kid.. Very curious to see how Clausen does.

          • Viva

            I’m a heart shaped ass kind of guy, so she’s in my wheelhouse….enough said.

            Jimmy has an opportunity to cash-in, and I want him to succeed, but N. Suh is coming to town to schwack him.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I would feign curiousity but we know he’s going to suck.

          • Big Mike

            Indeed. I think i had already made that comment. But what if he doesn’t? Not at all concerned about winning this game. But if Clausen does well, or if he even simply sucks less than Cutler, it really adds to the intrigue.

  • Viva

    I am vehemently opposed to benching Cutler at this stage of the season because it is too little too late. I supported Trestman was he suspended M Bennett during camp as a consequence of his actions (body slamming of Fuller). But where has that Trestman gone? No one has been held accountable for their actions on or off the field all year.

    This team is catastrophically undisciplined. Pre-snap penalties, turnovers, Bad routes, drops, blown coverage, blown run-fits. You name it, they are fucked up at it.

    Had Trestman yanked Jay Cutler earlier in the year after any of his nonchalant fumbles I would have fully supported him. He is sending a message that he is there to fucking win and no one part is greater than the whole of the team. That would have gone a long way in getting everyone on board. You must instill a sense of urgency in your team. Period. Trestman has failed to do that.

    Now, a day after rumors connecting him to the unemployment line start flying, Trestman is going to pin the tail on Cutler. I am whole heartedly raising the BULLSHIT FLAG. This is too little too late. This decision has fallen into the realm of self interest (removing any stink from himself), which most certainly is not in the best interest of the team.

    • SC Dave

      Kind of makes you wonder what went on inside the organization after Trestman suspended Bennett. Was he reprimanded? Did the “brain trust” (lol) decide that is was too harsh, leading to kid gloves the rest of the season?

      I remember last season and early this season that one of the first things Trestman would damn or praise in the pressers was pre-snap penalties. A good focus, but nothing was DONE about it.

      A part of it could be lack of depth on the offensive line, but there must be consequences other than a frowny face on a player’s report card.

      • Viva

        Totally agree. I am raising three kids and have trained hundreds of Marines and Soldier’s, and one thing I know very well is that if you want to change a “bad” behavior than you must attach a bad consequence to it (no switches, Adrian).

        Had Trestman instilled that into Jay (and every other person on that team, with unwavering focus) he could have gotten a lot more out of this roster, but he didn’t.

        Dave Toub for HC.

        • BlameAngelo

          The smacks on the wrist for Cutty should have been handed out six years ago, but Lovie wasn’t mister accountability. He’s clearly on the trading block now though, we know they don’t think Jimmy is the answer, although I expect him to play well. I think they should give Fales a shot to play when we’re in garbage time too. He looked like an interesting kid the little we saw of him.

      • Scharfinator

        I thought it was PE’s call to suspend Martellus, not Nessmans?

    • BearDown100393

      The locker room may have been surprised by the benching. But were the players upset?

      • Viva

        I don’t know those dynamics..and it ultimately does matter. So if Jay is an asshole through and through, and he doesn’t work hard, study hard, and treats his teammates like pawns he needs to fucking go…make no mistake…that can’t be our leader. But if he does work hard, study hard, takes his beatings on the field and in the media, and his team (most notably his o-line) he stays. I think Jay misses Slauson.

        • SC Dave

          I think the whole offense misses Slauson.

      • BlameAngelo

        Doubt it. They seemed to rally behind Josh and they must throw their hands up in the air mentally everytime Jay kills a drive with a pass that should never have been thrown.

  • wreckinball

    Ok as I’ve said before its a team effort. Yes the coaching has sucked but so have the players and most notably Cutler.

    I think he benched Cutler to save his ass and Cutlers. He can’t go out and play like he did Monday too many more times and come back next year. Not with the Bears maybe not anywhere

    Clausen sucks and who cares what he does. He’s barely in the league to begin with

    • SC Dave

      Interesting theory – live or die as one. Seems a little far-fetched, but so does everything else about the entire situation.

  • GPLDAN

    Any chance Cutler is so fed up with this organization he decided to play the first half of the Saints game as he did to make a statement and get benched?

    The All-22 shows some weird stuff. Actually looking at guys wide open then rifling it to guys who aren’t.

    • Viva

      Fuck All-22.

      • Big Mike

        Don’t know how you can say that. No Forte didn’t whiff on purpose, that’s not the point. The point is on a handful of plays, Cutler appears to have open receivers in his field of vision and throws into double coverage. Intentional or not, its bad QB play.

    • Viva

      Do you think Forte was intentionally whiffing on his pass pro?

      • SC Dave

        Same comment as just a second ago – seems far-fetched, but so does everything else going on.

    • BerwynBomber

      The last two drives in garbage time would seem to dispute that theory. More likely Cutty said the F the season-long dump-offs and decided to throw the ball down the field.

      Plus, I have a hard-time believing Cutty devised his own benching if only because the benching might signal his time in Chicago is up. Cutty, I would bet, would have welcomed the opportunity to burn through another OC here.

      Btw, the national guys have been WAY ahead of the local guys on this story, not only in breaking it but in following it up with prospective trade potential.

      • Bender McLugh

        that’s not difficult

    • BlameAngelo

      That was exactly my feeling watching the game. He really didn’t give a fuck.

    • Trac

      If that’s true as you have formed Cutlers actions then I hope he never takes another snap in a Bears uniform with extreme prejudice. I never got behind Cuttys signing because I smelled counterfeit from the get go.

    • Big Mike

      I watched it last night. I counted 5 plays where he could be tried for treason.

      • GPLDAN

        I agree with you. You watch it happen on replay and you think “he’s doing this on purpose”

        • Big Mike

          Or he is so checked out, that he’s just a terrible QB right now.

        • I haven’t had a chance to re-watch the game yet, but I did wonder about that on Monday night. He played significantly worse on Monday night than he had the 3-4 weeks prior to that. It was far and away his worst game of the year.

      • The Cutlerites will contend that he was going for bonus points for level of difficulty.

        • Big Mike

          On that note, I have to admit I stayed on the Cutler train too long. Call it fandom, call it wishful thinking. I ignored the negative and always looked at what was missing that would make Jay “great”. In my defense, during the entire off season, my take was this year was the year he needed to be a leader and deliver victories. Or otherwise be a journeyman, rather than top QB.

          So in one way I was right, but even up until the Detroit game, I kept thinking he’d right himself and show us.. Still hasn’t happened.

          I love my Chicago sports teams with a passion. (going to the Winter Classic in DC to see the Blackhawks) The Bears are by far my favorite of all the Chicago teams. But this group of Bears, has cast a shame on the beloved. Perhaps the football gods are knowingly stirring up a steaming pile of controversy so there can be no doubt what they need to do.

    • John Doe

      He is being paid $22.5 million by the Bears and he cannot be a true professional and do his job properly?

      No matter what Kromer did, there was no reason for him to act like spoiled frat boy and a punk and say eff you to Kromer and Trestman on a national TV.

      That was an insult to McCaskeys. And it might have helped George decide that it is best to dump Cutler and move on.

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Seriously, though. The Bears deserve our thanks. Rarely are crappy, noncompetitive, 5-win teams this interesting.”

    Indeed. Makes the last two games half-interesting. Enjoy your time here, Blogfather.

    Btw, heard someone on the radio yesterday speculating whether the Bears were the worst five win team ever.

    • GPLDAN

      Yeah. Thanks Bears. So. Much. fun.

      • BlameAngelo

        But it is. That’s the thing about being a Bears fan, tuning in each season to hope that something good happens. Then in week two you realize the team sucks, say so on the blog, get called a debbie downer, and the team proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt by week 8. This is our lot.

        And it doesn’t matter. The names change …. but the GSH is on the sleeve, and the colors stay the same. Love my Bears and always will.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Should have said ‘crappy, noncompetitive franchises’.

      The team isn’t interesting… they do the same stupid shit over and over again. All you can do is hope these fucking ‘coaches’ don’t leave them damaged goods.

    • Trac

      Can’t agree with Jeff’s sentiment for several reasons.

      1. Blog traffic is a pathetic reason to be jubilant.
      2. I can’t get on the band wagon of reveling in the demise of this franchise.
      3. I do not take any satisfaction in seeing the once mighty franchise fall into chaos no matter how pathetic this franchise has been. It’s a sad thing to behold.

      • BerwynBomber

        Has nothing to do with blog traffic — for me at least. I don’t see how anyone can make the argument that Cutler starting these last two games would be more interesting than Clausen. We have seen fourteen straight games of that. In terms of reveling in the demise of the franchise, I think there are many that believe this current team — or key components of it, including Cutler — need completely blown up. Basically if you want to see the once mighty franchise be mighty again the argument is you need to start from scratch.

        • Trac

          I hope not concerning the blog traffic.

        • Big Mike

          At the risk of walking into the face of a mob. Cutler could be a part of that. But really, I don’t care. I’m not staking out a pro-Cutler position.

    • SC Dave

      Soon to be the worst six win team.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Stupid but not surprising…the story of the 2014 Chicago Bears.

  • Bender McLugh

    I’ll say it – Here’s a pat on the back to Cutler for getting paid for the 4 years of destruction the Bears brass forced on you with those horrible O-lines, OCs and non-O-adding-weapons-drafts. Too bad you couldn’t turn it around fully — part of me thinks you didn’t want to, but instead you decided to take that money and run by forcing the team to get rid of you for your poor play…or your brain is just too scrambled by all the beat downs from those 4 terrible O-line years and it finally caught up with you after the first two games this season. Glad you got your kids that trust fund moolah……

  • Bender McLugh

    SMH

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Well, dumping the ball off to Forte 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage all year wasn’t working…so screw it, why wouldn’t you just start taking shots downfield? It’s a better approach than what Tucker did on D all season, which was “rush 5, don’t get there, and play 10 yards off the receivers in coverage”.

  • BillW

    I’m way behind in the comments and I’ll try to catch up on the threads later today. But this summarizes my feelings and opinions:

    I am not happy Cutler is being benched and appears to be gone because I think he is the problem. I am happy because I believe it’s a strong indication that ownership recognizes major changes need to be made. This is “collateral damage” in effect.

    I hope and believe that George sat there Monday night (after a brief scuffle) and decided he has had enough. Trestman is a crappy coach, they are not getting anywhere near the value they invested in Cutler, and Emery is responsible for both.

    Add to that significant numbers of empty seats that he undoubtedly noticed, and the booing from the fans that he undoubtedly heard. How could that not affect him?

    All three have to go because they are all intertwined. There is no way to get rid of one or two of them without creating another issue somewhere. I’m not going to go through all the combinations and comment on them. But I see no combination that puts the Bears where they need to be except removing all three and starting over.

    Now – if all they do is get rid of Cutler and keep Marc and / or Phil, then things are hopeless.
    That would be REALLY stupid. I hold out hope that George is not really stupid, but I could be wrong.

    • BlameAngelo

      Bill, We suck from ownership, down to the CEO, through the GM, coaching staff, players, even down to the ground staff. We have receiving talent and literally nothing else. We have one member on the OL who is worthy of being on a superbowl roster, and nobody really exciting on the DL except for maybe Willie, and certainl nobody of worth at LB. Mundy is a seviceable guy, I was never TJennings fan, Peanut’s done and Fuller had a brief flash at the start of the season before the reality set in. We’re fucked. We’re a little bit better than the NFC Central Buccaneers, but not much. At least they had a pass rusher.

      Briggs, Cutler, Allen, hell throw Matty into the firesale, we need as many picks as we can salvage with the proviso that it’s somebody who knows football spending them. Call me insane but I’d put the Coach in there as director of personnel. God knows he couldn’t do any worse. Our last really good draft was ’83, when coincidentally, a certain Jay Christopher Cutler was born.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Da Coach as director of personnel?
        Yeah, no thanks.

  • wreckinball

    Bottom line for Cutler and the Bears is he has to play much better next year. Obviously if he doesn’t he’s going to be gone and if lays a turd like this year again he’ll be completely gone
    Out of the league even though he may even in his diminished state be better than the Clausen’s of the league,
    Too much of a distraction

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Did he go streaking or dime out Trestman/Kromer to the media? How did HE generate the distractions here? I’m at a loss.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Basically, I wait all year for Tucker to get fired, or Emery to show some accountability for the garbage D personnel he hired, and instead we bench our QB.

        • wreckinball

          Well one out of three ? Not good but they all have sucked and you can’t have your QB out there appearing not to give a shit

        • BillW

          Trestman gone = Tucker gone. There are a lot of changes coming; this one is the most visible and most political.

        • Big Mike

          I will tell you it is not the defensive personnel. They have some talent. They are terribly coached. Blown coverages, while they are the players responsibility, are a function of being taught properly. Defense is emotional, offense is cerebral. Both are physical. If you score once while the game is contested, in a bunch of these games where the defense was shredded, the defense becomes better. It was 7-0 New Orleans going into the Saints last drive of the half. The defense had made some stops, forced a couple punts. If the Bears had scored a TD, the Saints never have time for that last drive.

          In the interest of whatever plan they have on defense, this group of coaches also had all three LBs playing outside of their natural positions.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Not sure how you can say that it’s not the personnel when you look at where the money is going and what little production they’ve had. A guy like Allen is not supposed to need scheme to produce.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Having the village idiot as DC magnifies the problem by several orders of magnitude…so we have that going for us too.

          • Big Mike

            Sort of my point. You think Marinelli coaching this group doesn’t produce better results? Not saying we are loaded on defense. But we’ve got some bright spots.

            Fuller, Ratliffe, Paea, Young, Ferguson, Sutton, (I even like that Houston guy who danced himself to the IR), Allen has some gas for next year, Putting Bostic in at the Will LB spot where he belongs will finally let us get a correct look at Bostic. He should be there this weekend but the village idiot keeps playing him in the wrong spot. Mclellin if he’s on the roster should get a look at Mike. Jones and Greene are better fits on the strong side.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Marinelli could coach up a dodgeball team at the Y better than Tucker.
            Yes, the guys you listed are talented. And the Bostic thing – jebus, we’ve been saying for two years now that the guy belongs at Will. WTF is Tucker thinking?

          • Big Mike

            While Briggs is there, obviously not going to jump in front. But with Briggs out for the season, it is mind blowing that they don’t give him the work there. I guess there is literally nobody left to play the middle… And here’s snippet from the scouting report from when Greene came out of college along with college highlights
            “Greene will likely set his sights on the strong-side linebacker spot. Greene’s combination of athleticism and tenacity make him a high-impact
            player. He does a good job attacking downhill and making plays behind
            the line of scrimmage. Once Greene closes on the ball-carrier, he looks
            to deliver big hits and generate turnovers.”

      • wreckinball

        Things can change fast Vince Young is better than Clausen but out of the league distraction

    • John Doe

      There is no Cutler and Bears next year.

      He gone.

  • John Doe

    This list of potential trade partners makes most sense.

    ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk · 44m44 minutes ago

    The Bears clearly want to trade Jay Cutler; so who would want to trade for him? http://wp.me/p14QSB-9F2G

    • the notion that the Bears will have to give Cutler away or perhaps even give another team a pick to take Cutler from them is absurd. He’s getting them at least a 2nd round pick if they trade him.

      • John Doe

        Schefter: Bears could get fourth-round pick for Jay Cutler

        That could improve to 3rd round pick based on performance.

        http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/schefter-bears-could-get-fourth-round-pick-jay-cutler

        • we’ll see. I still think, if they decide to trade him, it’s similar to what SF got for Alex Smith. That was a 2nd and a conditional 3rd/2nd based on performance (both individual and team).

          Maybe a little less than that because Cutler has a bigger contract, but the worst year of his contract is passed, so it’s actually fairly reasonable as far as QB deals go for the next 2-4 years.

          • BerwynBomber

            But Smith was younger and arguably looking better coming out of SF than Cutty out of Chicago.

          • John Doe

            Yup. Smith had not controversies.

            Cutler has bad reputation of being uncoachable coach killer. No way Bears get 2 2nd rounders like Alex Smith. Also, Smith did not have that big contract for the next team to take over.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Smith besides 1 year had the reputation of SUCKING!

          • depends on what you’re looking for in a QB. Smith had a higher “floor” game than Cutler, but a much lower ceiling. He was a reliable checkdown guy who won’t lose games for you but won’t win them either. Cutler can win you games, but he can just as easily lose them.

        • BlameAngelo

          Adam Schefter is making crack-babies. The Titans will be interested in Jay. New York is built for him. Lovie’s so fkn dumb that Tampa Bay could be his next home (Mike Glennon’s okay if he comes attached to a first rounder).
          Thing is, SOMEBODY will see something in him that’s not there – just like we did, and over-pay for a vet with a cannon. Buffalo might be thinking that with their D plus Cutty, plus Watkins and Woods then they’d be close to the dance. They already are, but who cares if they want to pooch their pick.

          Titans and Tampa will be drafting high too, and we could get a higher pick to go with our own. Conceivably we could draft Leonard Williams AND Randy Gregory, go to a 3-4 and all of a sudden our DE/LB roster looks good to go (after we ditch Allen). Guy like CornWash and Bass are screaming out as 3-4 LBs.

  • One thing interesting about the Bennett suspension: the story makes it sound like it came from Emery, not Trestman. Emery announced it. Bennett’s agent said he talked to Emery about it. Trestman wasn’t mentioned anywhere.

    I have no proof to back this up, but could it be that came from Emery, but he didn’t want to intervene on stuff during the season, so that’s why there’s been no accountability since the season started (when literally on day 1 Briggs skipped practice)?

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/11311835/martellus-bennett-chicago-bears-suspended-practice-fight-kyle-fuller

    • John Doe

      Every decision happens with Emery knowing and with Emery’s input.

      He is willing to admit it when it is convenient to do so. When it is not so, he will say it was Trestman’s decision (like in the Kromer fiasco).

      There is very little any coach in the NFL does without informing and getting input from GM. All major decisions have the input from bosses. That is basic Corporate 101. They may not always announce it.

      • but the way this article is worded makes it seem like this decision comes from Emery, not Trestman. This should be a coach’s decision to make. I wonder how it was presented to the players.

        • BillW

          I agree with you. Always took it as Emery stepping in to do something Trestman would not.

          • John Doe

            This whole thing was Emery’s team. That is why he got a weak personality Coach like Trestman.

            It was Emery’s decision to extend Cutler and he had decided to extend before Trestman was hired. It was fait accompli and Trestman really had no choice.

            From picking coaches to picking players to even, as Dan Durkin said last night, Trestman did not have the power to bench Cutler during game this year. That is why Cutler was not benched in Miami game, or Tampa Bay game or Saints game.

            This is Emery’s shit show. Trestman was too weak and too desperate to become HC to put up any fight against Emery.

          • BillW

            I have to read the Durkin story. JWood respects him greatly.

          • John Doe

            He was CSN last night when he said this. No article as far as I know. His words were, ” I don’t think Trestman had the power to bench Cutler during a game”.

            He thinks the decision to bench Cutler is coming from higher up. George McCaskey.

          • I am curious to hear what Emery has to say on this, especially after he threw Trestman under the bus re: Kromer earlier this week.

          • John Doe

            He did not throw Trestman under the bus. He supports the decision to not fire Kromer he said in conclusion..

            That statement was full of weasel words and hedging to cover all the sides of the issue.

            Read it:

            “So, although (I was) very upset about the negative fallout of Aaron’s actions, we’re all going to move forward and we support Marc in his decision. And, again, the context is, to me, at the end of the day, it was a human error. We’re going to deal with bigger issues and we have dealt with bigger issues since I’ve been here, Jeff. A mistake was made, so when you make mistakes you have to learn from them. And if you learn from them, you will grow. You will move in a positive direction. And if we do that as a team, we will earn the trust of our fans and earn the respect of our fans moving forward.”

            Linky:

            http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-phil-emery-aaron-kromer-20141215-story.html

          • BillW

            Support is not agreeing. It’s corporate speak.

          • John Doe

            It is not distancing either.

          • BillW

            We disagree. It’s a matter of semantics or interpretation or expereince. I’ve seen many high level executives praised and then fired.

          • John Doe

            There were already many reasons to fire Trestman before Kromer fiasco. So we will never know.

          • they almost sat him at halftime against MIN, right? I doubt he was consulting on that with Emery during the game. But I have not seen that Durkin story. Do you have a link?

          • John Doe

            Almost does not count. They did not bench him bottom line. Talk is cheap.

          • but the fact they considered it suggests to me they had the power to do so

          • John Doe

            They are telling it to reporters afterwards. They were frustrated with Cutler but could do nothing about him. And may be Kromer got frustrated enough to leak to Rapoport.

            I know that does not justify it. But my guess is that is what prompted the fiasco.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        the fact that it appears Emery made the decision to punish Bennett is telling. It tells me that Trestman has the personality of a substitute teacher, which probably works in Canada with their inherently non combative attitudes. And since there have been numerous reports that the coaching staff debated benching Cutler during games and the fact that no one besides a returner had been benched throughout the season also leads me to believe that Trestman just does not have the right attitude or balls to make those decisions. I understand that coaches would probably confer with the GM before benching a high profile player like Cutler before a game, but during a game Coaches can do what ever the fuck they want. If it is against the upper managements decisions so be it, and deal with the repercussions later. But that did not happen which leads me to believe that Trestman does not have the personality to be a HC.

        • CanadaBear

          “which probably works in Canada with their inherently non combative attitudes.”

          Apparently you don’t watch hockey.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            LOL, damn you for calling out my stereotype.

  • thejamesforde

    So when Briggs was calling the wrong plays on defense and not putting forth effort why wasn’t he benched? Why wasn’t the media calling for his head like they have been for Cutler. My hunch is “anonymous source in the locker room” is probably Lance.
    If Jay was sandbagging on Monday (and I think he was) what a real coach would have done is pulled him on the spot and sent in #8. If Trest had to look at film to see that it was happening, that is the nail that shuts the coffin on his NFL coaching career for good.

    • BerwynBomber

      It is a valid point but it is like saying “we have never done the right thing before, why start now?”

      Anyway, hard to believe Trestman is not outta here.

    • Big Mike

      I think the article Jeff wrote alluded to this. With Briggs, Trestman felt that was Tucker’s call. He owns the QB position. It was his call. I believe both were his call. So much chaos. I thought nothing could happen that made me interested in the Bears these last two weeks.

  • GPLDAN

    He did not do it to save Cutler’s health for prospective trade opportunities or diminish his value as any team interested in acquiring Cutler’s services knows exactly what he is and would not be swayed by anything occurring over the final fortnight.

    You don’t know that Jeff. That’s pure supposition on your part.

    The most logical thing here is that Emery is just fucking with Trestman but there is reason to believe he was pulled to not get hurt.

    • my initial thought is this was Trestman giving an F U to Cutler on his way out the door. He knows now his job is over in 2 weeks.

      • GPLDAN

        Cutler HAS to stay. He HAS to, his numbers are just too large and his cap hit too high. You need him on the roster next year if you can’t trade him. The rumors flying that they will cut him outright and eat his salary are ridiculous. He would surpass every Jeff George story combined.

        And you can’t trade him if he’s hurt. So they benched him to retain his value.

        • BerwynBomber

          I am leaning toward the thought that they trade him. Moreover, I don’t think ownership even wants to hear a new coaching candidate say “I can salvage Jay Cutler.”

          • BillW

            Agree. Enough is enough. Back to the hot skank everyone thinks they can somehow change.

        • I think he stays or gets traded depending on what the new coach wants. last coaching search was made to get somebody to work with Cutler. IMO this one will be to get the best coach in, then they ask him what he wants to do with Cutler.

          • BillW

            Makes sense – someone in the Trib today said a few agents of candidates said they’d be hesitiant to work with Cutler.

            Could be true, BS, or leveraging etc. A lot of “noise” will be in the air for quite a while.

          • John Doe

            No BS. He has a bad rep. Mike McCoy refused to work with Cutler last time. Here is the quote from Biggs article:

            There is a bigger issue for the Bears than money when it comes to Cutler. If they fire Trestman, the presence of Cutler is going to reduce the pool of qualified replacements.

            The agents for two coordinators whose names are being mentioned on all of the lists as top candidates for a job this offseason said Cutler would scare off their clients. See where this is headed?

            http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-biggs-bears-spt-1218-20141217-story.html

  • Trac

    My one word definitions for all the guilty parties involved.

    1. Cutler- counterfeit.
    2. Emery- gestalt.
    3. Trestman- ambivalent.
    4. Tucker – perfunctory.

    • BillW

      All – gone.

  • John Doe

    Adam Schefter6m
    RT @SportsCenter: Crazy Stat of Day: Jay Cutler is making $22.5 million this year, more than Wilson, Luck, Rodgers, Newton, Sanchez COMBINED

  • GPLDAN

    I’m a bit sick of Waffle’s cognitive dissonance and him constantly dissing the blog for “what it’s become”

    And so I’m going to express a sentiment that apparently only AL agrees with me on: go away and stay away. Waffle was SPECTACULARLY wrong about Jay Cutler. Who he is, what he can do. he was so wrong it effectively tainted every other thing he was going to say from here on out – I simply tuned all of Johnny’s opinions out anyway because of his general douchebaggery towards anybody he disagreed with.

    But he got it SO WRONG that he effectively painted himself into a corner and had no option but to leave in a huff.

    To me, this blog has collectively “woken up” from abject bear goggles on to a realistic appraisal of this team and who the people are. I took a ton of shit (a giant pile of partisan crap) for calling Phil Emery a giant dork this summer – saying this group was a total clusterfuck before the season – and I caught MASSIVE SHIT for it. This is all in Discus threads, so it should be findable.

    And what was the truth? They ARE a ship of fools. I WAS right. So it pisses me off that as everyone else here comes to that realization that it appears to the fanboi that we are all a bunch of traitors.

    • John Doe

      Well said.

      I had my doubts and they started creeping up more as each game went on early in the season.

      But I never thought it would unravel so fast and so spectacularly.

    • BearDown100393

      Until this post, I had already forgotten about him.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Agree partly on Waffle, but this blog does need his passion at times even as misdirected as it is. Just makes things a little more interesting.

      Nice “I told you so”. But the reason you caught “MASSIVE SHIT” is most of us are eternally optimistic about the Bears at the beginning of every season, and of course you are going to catch flack for your statements that are against that optimism.

      So you and BillW can skip hand in hand happily down the “I Told You So Lane”.

      • BillW

        Sometimes people are right because they know what they are talking about. Not because they are lucky or pessimistic or any incorrect reasons that were attributed to me.

        Trestman was a smart but weak soft gutless person – a lot like me. I made a horrible manager. He made a horrible coach. I made that connection last year. I was right because I knew how this would play out based on how things played out for me. TMI but it was based on something real, not a hunch or pessimism.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          listen Grandpa Douchebag, you said nothing about Trestman being weak soft gutless, you brought up management and History and how back in my day frogs fucked toads and the shit show will begin.

          • BillW

            Not sure. I doubt you memorized all my posts. He reminded me of Neill Armstrong (and not the astronaut for God’s sake). I saw it play out. I may not have attributed the traits specifically. But why should you care about that any more than why I should care about what you think?

            “Grandpa Douchebag”? And I’m supposed to respect what you have to say?

          • i mean… it’s better than grandma douchebag, right? =]

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            If only Elmo & Patsy would write a song about running BillW over.

          • BillW

            “Douchebag got run over by the Bear’s Blog?”

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            That’s a little on the nose, but OK.

          • BillW

            Can’t argue.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i don’t give a shit if you respect what i say. But you do care what i say and everyone else on this blog says about you. It is your nature, you have proven it time and time again.

          • BillW

            I won’t argue that either.

          • BillW

            I think it’s true that I never called Trestman soft, weak, gutless last year. I found a few posts where I said he did not hold players or assistant coaches accountable. I criticized him not doing the obvious and firing Tucker. I’m sure other specifics but I’m not going to waste any more time.

            I think it’s clear that Trestman does not hold people accountable, which is the sign of a weak “leader”.

    • BillW

      To a point I agree. I’ve been the target of vulgarity etc for opinions that turned out to be right. But I figured I just don’t get the protocol or atmosphere of this site (where someone yesterday said he didn’t consider calling someone a fucking moron to be a personal insult).

      I concluded that as someone said several people consider this place to be their cyber bar and they expect a certain type of clientele. And when it shifts away from that, they feel it’s wrong and they feel they have a right to complain about the new patrons.

      But Waffle is stuck on a different point than you might think. The point I keep hearing is “we” are blaming Cutler for all the Bear’s ills when there are bigger problems. I agree there are bigger problems but Cutler is one specific player that we are clearly not getting value for.

      And then there is the “well, who else is there” arguement. That’s why I was on board for the extension. But maybe it’s simply time for the Bears to figure out how to evaluate quarterbacks.

      Anyway, people have internet personalities that can be annoying. Apparently I have one. I hope he comes back only because the more opinions I hear the better I feel I’ve thought through my own.

      • GPLDAN

        No Bill, you took a lot of shit and vulgarity because you are a preening puss. You turn every thread into a referendum about you and share too much of your information that we don’t care about.

        I took exception to the fact that Waffle said the blog had changed in some fundamental way. It hasn’t. It really hasn’t. It’s been effectively the same blog it was 7 years ago when I started, some of the faces have changed. It was always harder on the team that the general public and it always took the MSM to task when it was clearly agenda setting.

        What has happened from time to time is this “love it or leave it” contingent, where saying what’s obvious and true about the management was frowned upon by those individuals. And, for those who have read my blather over the years, know I could really give a fuck what anyone thinks about me or my opinions – I let them stand on their own merit and be judged by the test of time. And so far, I bat pretty well at the plate. I’m not prone to grandstanding when I hit home runs, but in this case I’m going to.

        Johnny is wrong about the blog: it hasn’t changed. It’s the same place it always was, but with a proven blog technology instead of gnome code. Jeff is his usual self, prone to “i told you so” tweets (pretty much every week) and some of the new regulars like Data have really improved the place with arguments based on facts and research.

        You? You’re a whiner. I may be a dick and a troll at times, but I’ll take it over whining. And I will sure as hell take it over being wrong.

        • Big Mike

          Well, I called for McClellin to have a break out year. Told you so. Oh wait. Never mind.

          • GPLDAN

            The next coach will move him to fullback and it will Tom Rathman part 2.

            Keep hope alive.

          • Big Mike

            We don’t need a FB.

        • BillW

          Got it.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Well I can say I kept my hopes for Cutty alive for way too long. It’s kind of like wanting to like Caviar, you hear people rave about it and how it’s such a delicacy, then I take a bite and say to myself “why does this stuff taste like salty shit?” I thought people always say it is delicious. I “want” to like it, but just can’t get past the reality of the taste.

    • Once u go full Bill, there’s no coming back. Never go full Bill, man.

    • SC Dave

      I will admit I was not seeing all you were saying. But I have been savaged on this blog for three years or more for saying Cutler was not the guy.

      He was not then, and he is not now.

  • ErikGrogan

    Well, I’ve never been this sad. Actually,there was that time we lost the NFC Championship at home to Green Bay.

    I think Cutler goes to Cleveland, Tennessee, or Washington DC

    • wreckinball

      I would say maybe but Bears would eat a lot of $$ and not get a real high pick

      No other team wants to be in this position same time next year.

      Jay was never an elite QB so all its based on is hope. Jeff George syndrome

    • GPLDAN
    • Peanut FTW

      I think those 3 plus Buffalo or the Jets thrown in for fun. Buffalo wants to get value out of it’s deep threat youngster and the Jets, well they’ve had to see Geno Smith play so long now that Cutler probably looks like an all star.

      • ErikGrogan

        I just don’t see the Jets going after him unless Shanahan is there, son or dad.

        The Bills have already given up on Orton and Billy?

        • Peanut FTW

          The Jets are one of the few teams with a more upset fan-base than the Bears, they need to make aggressive changes to show that they are trying to turn things around.

          I don’t think Orton is a solution, more of a stop-gap; also Orton is zero threat to stretch the field and the fact that Orton has been the starter since what game 3, would tell me they gave up on Billy.

  • Big Mike

    This is all part of the plan to finally F$*k over Green Bay.

    • BearDown100393

      If Dr. Evil owned a football team, its name would be Bears.

    • Trac

      What if the Bears cut Cutty and the cheese pick up Cutty for around 3 mil to be their backup. Hahaha. That would be ripe.

      • Big Mike

        Jay as a back up… Meme a day.

  • huntinbare

    Patrick Mannelly opened his day on the score saying that there are teams already interested in Jay from what he is hearing. He thinks teams that are muddle of the pack, with strong D and good running attacks; that will limit Cutlers chances are good fits. Houston – and – Rams

    • NewBearInTown

      Both make a ton of sense.

    • Big Mike

      I would be sorely disappointed if he does better somewhere that fits that criteria. What it points out is how close we were with him when our defense was strong. Perhaps one WR away.

      • huntinbare

        I think he said it was the 2010 season where this model worked for him…I am not a betting man but there will most likely be a year or 2 where he climbs to the hieghts he experienced with Shanahan

        • Big Mike

          Nooooo

    • John Doe

      When Patrick Mannelly is talking Jay Cutler trade, you know Cutler’s days in Chicago are numbered.

      This is not some know nothing Cutler Hater talking. This is Pat the Mann.

    • wreckinball

      Houston will try Mallet Rams Bradford

      • Trac

        There’s a reason the Pats didn’t keep Mallett and why they had interest in Fales. Mallet is fools gold my friend.

        • wreckinball

          Maybe but what is Cutler He’s not going anywhere because of his contract and the present debacle

          • Peanut FTW

            The contract is negotiable; a new team could only assume whatever portion they were comfortable with and leave the Bears on the hook for the rest.

          • wreckinball

            Rams have Bradford maybe a trade and Bears pickup some $$s but I would expect the Rams to be scared that it would blow up in their face

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Oh great. Bradford. There’s our savior.

          • wreckinball

            Not saying he is but I doubt too many other teams are saying Jay is their savior

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Oh, I’m guessing more than you think.

          • wreckinball

            Ok we’ll see but the view of Jay here tends to be a little rosy and it’s all promise It’s not like the Chiefs picking up Joe Montana it is however something like a Jeff George scenario

          • Bender McLugh

            view from several fans of other teams about Cutty are rosey as well, DC included. Crazy game, this.

      • John Doe

        Bradford is more breakable than a china doll.

        • SC Dave

          I always hate stupid statements like that.

    • Peanut FTW

      I think Houston and Buffalo make a lot of sense, Buffalo seems almost like a lock simply for the sake of Cutler kicking Orton out of a job again. I still think the Jets would be interested after having Geno Smith, but who knows.

      • huntinbare

        A caller asked if they could do a two-fer..
        Cutler and Marshal offered in the same package
        Because of the chemistry they may get a buyer
        The boys reminded him that they would have to be separate deals per league rules

  • ErikGrogan

    I’m really expecting a lot of different coaches, quarterbacks, and losses for at least four to six years.

    Winter is coming, Bears’ fans. It will be miserable.

    • beninnorcal

      That’s exactly what I was thinking. This whole Trestman revives Jay which saves the team from total rebuild thing just fell back to earth with a splat.
      Total rebuild on the way, new coach for sure and maybe new GM. Some of our more valuable and highly paid players will be traded for picks. Won’t be competitive for the foreseeable future and depending on who’s running things that could be awhile.
      We may look back at the Urlacher/Lovie years as the last time we were relevant. Ironic.

      • ErikGrogan

        Very sad and ironic. Fuck, the dark ages are almost here.

        • Worst to First in 2015.

          You heard it here first, folks.

          • GPLDAN

            We didn’t want to go to Phoenix for the Super Bowl this year anyway. Phoenix sucks.

  • huntinbare

    Jesus once said of Judas, “it would have been better if he had not been born”
    Kromer offering up Jay to the Pharisees and Scribes of the press…
    Marc T washes his hands of the man and turns hime over to the Roman brass…
    They now have JC nailed to the cross….

    Take heart Bears fans after the crucifixion there is always a resurrection…
    The Bears will rise again and will be the better for it…..
    The only problem with any of this is the time of year…this is an April story and it is December.
    Once again we got our timing wrong…it all seems backward.

  • ErikGrogan

    Btw, the only read Cutler was benched was so they could trade him. If he got injured, they would owe him money.

    Cutler can restructure his contract if he wants to. If he really wants out of Chicago and cares about where he will go, he should restructure.

    But honestly, I don’t think he cares where he goes. He will just stick with his current contract and limit the Bears.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Yeah, he’s very much a “don’t care, but fuck you” type of guy. I could totally see him sitting at home collecting $15 million, drinking beer all next year.

  • Doc Hamstring

    If Michigan is offering Harbaugh $8M a year, that’s top-shelf NFL money. The Bears would have to make him the highest-paid coach in the league to significantly beat the Michigan offer.

    With all the other factors involved, odds are heavily against Harbaugh being the next Bears coach.

    So, who’s next? Cowher?

    • ErikGrogan

      Cowher just signed a nice deal to stay on television

      • Peanut FTW

        So no Cowher, no Harbaugh. But they are almost forced to hire a HC with experience so…
        Wade Phillips?
        Singletary?

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          So “Pants on the ground” will be our 2015 Super Bowl Shuffle. Awesome.

          • Big Mike

            Best comment of the year… You win the blog.

        • Big Mike

          Mike Martz, Mike Tice LMAO…

        • ErikGrogan

          No…. please no

          • Big Mike

            Mike Martz, Mike Tice anyone? Maybe they weren’t so bad after all?

      • BearDown100393

        As did Gruden (not suggesting he would take or be offered the job)

    • ErikGrogan

      The fact they have to pay the remaining money on Trestman’s contract means a big no for Harbaugh

    • Big Mike

      Let’s go with the greatest hits. Martz? Tice?

  • I don’t know why some fans are so pessimistic. Take a que from your dear leader, leffwaff. He was fond of reminding us that past trends are not necessarily predictors of future events.
    Case and point. Just because we have lost at 9ers since gi joe still aired, does not mean bears will deterministically lose.
    Guess what? Bears, THESE bears, somehow did win.
    I’m no fool. I know finding a franchise qb is not like going to the grocery market and buying eggs, but this misconception that finding another Cutler is like finding the lost ark is erroneous.
    A serious case can be made that Jimmy Mac was better (Irish where art thou?), and even Sexy Rexy, Orton, and yes, maybe even McCown.
    Like waffle has refrained, it’s as much about finding the right hc, oc, consistency and supporting cast as it is finding the next Wilson.
    So cheer up, my dour mopes
    It’s like a break up with a hot crazy chick. You’ll miss the poon at first, but you won’t miss banging ur head against the wall from the downside.
    It’s a new dawn.

    • BerwynBomber

      Exactly. And I hate the either/or binary of Cutler/QB wilderness (of Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Caleb Hanie, etc) stuff. It is so simple-minded. This team employed signal callers like Grossman, Orton and even Jim Miller in the past, guys who Cutty was more physically gifted than but guys who, bottom line, were as successful as Cutty.

      Get a decent bridge guy for next year. I would look at Sanchize if the money is right. Yes he is less than average but Jay was average and cost us $22M this year. The key will be to get an HC and an OC who can develop QBs. Trestman might have been that guy as an OC but we will never know. Regardless, go the old Ron Wolf approach. Start drafting QBs every year or every other year. And see if you can eventually develop a kid.

      The next Rodgers/Brady/Manning/Brees is probably a pipe dream. But if this team can find the next Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson while building a good team around him, it will be fine. in fact, you can win an SB with that.

      • wreckinball

        Somebody will over pay for Sanchez. I was thinking of Locker

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, Locker will be cheaper but I’d look at the market for Sanchize. I don’t think the league is head-over-heels for him. He is making enough mistakes in Philly to keep his price down. But hey Locker might be fine too IF he can stay healthy, though I’ll admit I’ve never really watched Locker play for any extended time.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Oh gawd. After the debacle of this year, you want the King of the Buttfumble on the Bears? They’re enough of a laughingstock already!

          • BerwynBomber

            His salary this year was $2M/1 year. Do you realize how many defensive players that would buy factored from the difference of Cutty’s salary? Moreover, do you realize how many GMs across the league would take Sanchize and his contract over Cutty and his? And newsflash: if Cutty is better than Sanchize it ain’t by much, and certainly not by TEN TIMES the dollars.

            Bottom line is we are probably not going to have someone as skilled as Cutler the next year or two. But a) we are not missing a championship w/out Cutler, and b) we can begin the rebuild more quickly. Again, we are talking BRIDGE guys.

          • Big Mike

            Clausen could be a good fit. I’m serious. Bring in a veteran, but make him compete with Clausen.

          • BerwynBomber

            Clausen, from what I’ve seen in the past, makes Sanchize look like a Pro Bowler. But I will go into Sunday’s game with an open mind. But again, on the off chance Clausen does well, how much will be attributable to Trestman? Remember, the latter is by all accounts gone.

          • Big Mike

            He hasn’t played in 4 years. Two big knocks coming out of school maturity (likely to have been fixed by riding the pine for a few years) and delivery angle and height. (don’t know if he’s corrected these)

            Pick Analysis: The Panthers surprisingly land a franchise
            quarterback in the second round with the selection of Jimmy Clausen. The
            former Notre Dame star was expected to come off the boards in the early
            part of the first round, but questions about his leadership skills and
            personality led to a dramatic slide down the charts.

            Strengths
            Clausen’s a highly-competitive signal-caller who was has been
            very productive in a pro-style system during his career. Possesses a
            live arm and flashes the ability to make all the NFL throws. Displays
            impressive accuracy in the short passing game. Is athletic and mobile
            for the position and can avoid the rush and make plays outside the
            pocket. Has a very quick delivery.
            Weaknesses
            Clausen has a somewhat low release point. Release point combined
            with less-than-ideal height leaves Clausen susceptible to having passes
            batted down at the line. Has a strong arm but lacks premier arm
            strength and may struggle at times fitting the ball into windows deep
            down the field. He will be unable to participate in combine drills due
            to toe surgery.

            and
            Summary: Jimmy Clausen is a franchise quarterback. He has carried the spotlight since he was a teenager and has surpassed the hype. He has an outstanding skill set with the elite intangibles you see in the great quarterbacks. Clausen isn’t fazed by tense situations and has great leadership when the game is on the line. He puts in the hours to be a great quarterback and you see it on tape. Clausen will likely be the first quarterback drafted and is a projected top-five draft pick.

      • Big Mike

        Clausen could be the bridge guy with a full off season as the number 1. Let’s see what happens. He’s had way fewer opportunities than Cutler. His 1-9 season in 2010 he had jack shit around him.

        • Doc Hamstring

          Clausen had to repeat 6th grade. I find that pretty appropriate.

          I don’t see too many QBs failing with their first team and then coming back to do much more than being a semi-serviceable backup.

          • Big Mike

            He got 10 games as a rookie on a very bad team. Could be he’s gotten better in the last few seasons. More mature, more prepared and so on. Not saying he has, but I’m saying he could be.

    • Doc Hamstring

      “this misconception that finding another Cutler is like finding the lost ark is erroneous. ”

      No, it’s not another Cutler the Bears need. It’s another GOOD QB. Not just a guy. Not Grossman, not Orton, not McCown. Look at the playoff contenders, and outside of Arizona, name me a team that is a serious contender and does NOT have a top-tier QB.

      The game has been altered so you MUST have a very good QB to contend year after year.

      Cutler hasn’t been “very good.”

      Getting some dude to keep Garza’s butt warm won’t get the Bears to the playoffs. Every team–Bears included–needs a very good QB to do more than just whiff at the playoffs.

      Without that QB, the rest is crap. The QB rules the game now.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        so true, but i will be very pissed off if Garza is still our starting center next year. the guy is washed up.

        • Doc Hamstring

          I think De La Puente will be healed up and good. RT needs to be shored up, and hopefully Bushrod will turn it around in the offseason, and then the O-Line will be good again.

          • Bender McLugh

            Bushrod & Garza gone maybe

  • John Doe

    I am more convinced this is indeed the reason. Somebody alerted George McCaskey to not let chumps like Trestman and Emery do what they want over the final 2 games and protect himself and his family from further losses.

    Mark Dominik ✔ @MarkdominikESPNFollow

    The reason Cutler benched.He has $16M injury guar in ’16. 10M becomes fully guar 3rd day LY in ’15. If a major injury then Bears on the hook

    9:27 AM – 18 Dec 2014

    • Bender McLugh

      all in the name of player safety……

    • Doc Hamstring

      Seriously? You think they’re benching him NOW to prevent an injury before 2016?

      • John Doe

        Seriously. It always comes down to $$. And the Bears as an organization have wasted a lot of money starting with Lovie firing and paying him $5 million for sitting at home to all the impending coach firings and eating their contracts.

        It is not that McCaskeys have other businesses and this Bears thing is their side toy. Bears is their only business and source of wealth.

        Potential to loose $16 million more because someone failed to think through in advance is not something they would want. You have stop throwing good money after bad at some point.

        Adam Hoge thinks the same:

        Did Trestman get wind of his fate and just decide that he’s going out on his own terms? Or did ownership bypass Emery and give Trestman clearance to bench Cutler? Or did ownership make the call here and demand Cutler be taken off the field?

        The latter speculation might be hard to believe given the McCaskeys rarely get involved in football decisions, but $16 million might be enough for them to send down a mandate, especially if they’ve already made up their mind about Trestman and Emery.

        You see, Cutler has $38 million absolutely guaranteed in his massive, seven-year, $126.7 million contract, but $54 million is guaranteed against injury, which means if Cutler suffered a significant injury in these final two games, the McCaskeys could be out another $16 million. As it is, $10 million of that $16 million will be fully guaranteed if Cutler is still on the Bears’ roster March 13.

        Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but the McCaskeys are looking at this in hindsight and they undoubtedly understand that not only has Cutler’s contract been an utter disaster, it will probably go down as the worst contract in Chicago sports history. Has a team ever been forced to cut ties with a guy just one year into a seven-year deal?

        Here’s a fact that really has to sting them: Had Emery used the franchise tag on Cutler in 2014, not only would the McCaskeys not owe the quarterback anything in the future, but they would have saved $6.31 million this year.

        Adam Hoge @AdamHoge · 2h2 hours ago

        How did “Jay is our quarterback” become “Jay is benched” in just 10 days? $16 million might explain it. Column: http://bit.ly/13D6MlK

        • Doc Hamstring

          Again, if they were so worried about injury costing them money on a guaranteed contract, why did they wait to bench him until now?

          This is crappy logic based on speculation.

          The biggest problem with your crappy logic and your speculation is that teams routinely insure guaranteed contracts against injury.

          http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23671826/nfl-teams-players-both-often-get-insurance-potential

          You think no team has ever worried that they might be paying guaranteed big bucks to a guy who gets injured? That’s why they take out insurance.

          • John Doe

            Because they just decided to fire Trestman, Emery, and Cutler. They decided whole scale change is the only way to go. they certainly could not have come to that conclusion in week 8.9. 10, 11

          • Doc Hamstring

            You’re contradicting yourself.

            If the *Bears* are going to “fire” Cutler, why does Trestman bench him?

  • huntinbare

    This is an article from aug. 20, 2013 by Doug Farrar
    He gives great insight into the dynamics between Marc and Jay and what was at stake in the project.
    you may have seen it but it is worth revisiting. he had it on BR this a.m.

    http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2013/08/20/fixing-the-qbs-jay-cutler#

    • Trac

      Thank, glad you posted this. After reading the article, I could help but make the comparison of Cutty and a dry drunk. Cutty just can’t help himself and he just snapped.

      • John Doe

        Nobody can change his mechanics. He will keep throwing flat footed and off the back foot. And nobody can improve his decision-making.

      • huntinbare

        When I read that it brings a bit of clarity to my understanding…I wish I saw it back in 2013 …I would have looked at all of this with a different filter/ perspective..mmmaybe not get as stupid with my frustrating that flows from my coconut and out of my keyboard

  • wreckinball

    Also a lot of folks here are only looking at possible trades from a Bear point of view

    No team wants to be in the Bears situation a year from now and the obvious question would be how could you be so stupid.

    And holding a crappy contract. I would guess teams would only pay low end starter money for Jay 2 years max with Bears picking up the rest

    • Big Mike

      Not a stupid call if all you have to do is pay Cutler $5million while the Bears pick up the other $10.

      • wreckinball

        Agree only half as stupid as the Bears but still a risk if you’re team looks like the Bears a year from now

        • Big Mike

          Shhh.. Cutler just needs the right situation. 😉

          • John Doe

            Right situation that includes..

            right coaches, right OC, right O-line, right WRs, Strong defense.

            And even after all that, don’t piss him off..

            If you piss him off, he will go into “Don’t Caaare, eff you ” mode.

          • Big Mike

            It was a joke. Like giving a guy you want fired a good reference so someone else hires him.

  • wreckinball

    I think only Jets and Bills would take the Cutler risk under any terms

    And that’s only if the Bills have totally given up on EJ

    • Bender McLugh

      Rams maybe?

      • wreckinball

        I think they’ll give Bradford one more shot

        • Big Mike

          The fact that someone might take him for something and share the salary/cap hit is good news.

          • wreckinball

            Yeah Jets have nothing going on. But then Bears have to sign someone. I would focus on Locker and draft a QB

          • Big Mike

            I would give Clausen a shot. He’s like a young Mccown.

          • wreckinball

            We’ll see the next two games

          • Big Mike

            Two interesting challenges. Best defense in the league, but he’ll be at home, with great crowd support. BTW benching Cutler and putting in Clausen is about the only thing the Bears could have done to prevent getting booed right out of the stadium. If Clausen can put up 150-200 yards 1 td and no interceptions, that would be a phenomenal day for him. Not enough to win, but very encouraging. Then he needs to go up to MN and build on it. Not really hoping for a win, because 5-11 and 6-10 means a few very precious draft slots.

          • wreckinball

            Clausen will get a little bit of a pass if he doesn’t do a total screwup

          • BerwynBomber

            The only issue is that McCown looks like he was somewhat of a Trestman concoction, so even if Clausen shows a little of that, Trestman is gone next year so it might not matter.

            I am beginning to think the only QB on the current roster who will be in training camp next summer is Fales.

          • Big Mike

            As a bridge QB I think Clausen will likely do what needs to get done as anyone else out there, but for less money. Trestman or no.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            …. a young McCown sucked

          • Big Mike

            Most rookies suck. Then he never got another bite at the apple. That’s all I’m saying.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            he was given several shots in Arizona and also started in Oakland for over half a season. he is a serviceable backup at best.

          • Big Mike

            I have to go check my facts. My memory is telling me that he has more than we give him credit for. Wait.. Clausen never played for AZ or Oakland…

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            my bad i read it the wrong way – i was trashing McCown,

          • John Doe

            He is talking about Jimmy Clausen who never got a shot after his rookie year.

        • BerwynBomber

          Fisher apparently wanted to draft Cutler when the former was at Tenn. Houston will be in the market too. Hell, AZ would have been had they not just signed Palmer. And there is DC.

    • BearDown100393

      The Jets will have to hire a Head Coach first who wants to bring aboard Jay Cutler. Not the other way around.

  • Big Mike

    Maybe I missed it, but another theory behind the benching.. Didn’t want the last home game of the year to be 60 minutes of booing.

    • Big Mike

      Booing interspersed with Lions fans cheering. If I was a Lions fan, I would be at this game.

      • GPLDAN

        Good point. Hard to hide empty stands during a noon game on tv. Eventually you need that aerial shot

        • BerwynBomber

          But these last two games are regional/5th string broadcasting crew quality. Other than CHI, DET and MN they won’t be seen by many others.

          • GPLDAN

            Until the aerial shot of the stadium ends up on the home page of Gawker. Because the national press loves nothing better than to twist the knife into Chicago.

          • Big Mike

            I’m just talking about the fact of it being a home game for the Lions, with the Bears fans just booing the shit out of Cutler. Detroit is in a playoff chase, so it will probably get more exposure because of that.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m expecting the place to be half empty with more Kitties fans than Bears fans.

          • Big Mike

            No argument. My point was that if Cutler played they would simply be booing their nuts off.

    • you think this saves the booing? I look forward to hearing that Trestman’s home finale was a solid chorus of boos for 3 hours. No less than that fool deserves.

      • Bender McLugh

        sounding a bit like a euro soccer match but in boooooo form

      • Doc Hamstring

        Trestman looks at Kromer and says, “Are they booing me?”

        Kromer dries a tear and says, “No, they’re cheering for you, saying ‘Boo-urns!'”

        “But my name’s Trestman.”

        “It’s an affectionate nickname. You’ve burned them with hope, and so they call you ‘Burns.'”

        “That doesn’t sound very affectionate. I think they’re booing.”

        Kromer sighs. “Yeah, they’re booing.”

        “Wait. Maybe they’re booing the defense?”

        Kromer smiles. “Yeah! It’s not you, boss! They love you!”

      • Big Mike

        I believe less than if Cutler were out there. Bears fans will give the kid something of a break. There will be booing, but not after the first incompletion. Fans are ready to shred cutler.

  • GPLDAN

    Oh fuck….

    Adam Jahns reporting that Jay Cutler will come to the podium at 1pm. This is usually reserved for the STARTING QB.

    I expect Jay will take the high road and be polite and not let people play their narrative out.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Oh please oh please oh please let him unleash the Kraken!

      • GPLDAN

        Can you imagine? That would be 5 years of sound bites and at least 2 Youtube parody videos.

        • Big Mike

          Smokin Jay persona and his hot wife with him! Maybe he punches Brad Briggs

          • GPLDAN

            Biggsy would push Garza back into him and slam them both through the podium backdrop.

          • Big Mike

            Or simply lean forward..

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Thereby causing tidal flooding on Lake Shore Drive.

      • Big Mike

        Let it be big news. not the high road narrative. Kraken! Kraken!

    • Doc Hamstring

      I mean, seriously, what has he got to lose? What are they gonna do, cut him?

    • I don’t get the point of this. What does it accomplish? This is just mean and vindictive.
      I’m with you, and expect Cutler will handle it well. He was masterful last week with all the Kromer shit. But man would I LOVE to see him tee off on these coaches.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Whose decision is it to OK Cutler taking the podium? If it’s Emery’s, then we might see Jay unleash the Kraken on Trestman. If it’s Trestman’s… that would be… interesting.

    • Big Mike

      EST or CST?

      • GPLDAN

        Chicago time. Center of the UNIVERSE player!

        • Big Mike

          cracks me up every time. If you did a survey, what percentage of native Chicagoans who have lived in Chicago their entire lives, believe that CST in fact means Chicago Standard Time.

    • BerwynBomber

      Jay’s potentially auditioning for other teams now. Even in a presser. Expect him to take the high road but it is stupid as shit for him to be out there, though I’m guessing this will be his last presser of the year, and maybe his last ever as a Bear.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Why would he audition? He’s a known quantity at this point, and is guaranteed a shit-ton of money. He could drop trau and take a dump on the podium and it wouldn’t affect his job prospects a bit.

    • John Doe

      Wrong report. Bears claiming otherwise

      Sarah Spain8m

      UPDATE: Bears told @DZederman they don’t know who is talking – one, both or neither – and claim they’re not sure where Jahns heard that.

      • GPLDAN

        Hmmm. Chaos even for the small stuff.

        • John Doe

          Yup..complete cluster fuck.

    • BearDown100393

      “I have never been a quitter. To leave the team before my contract is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as quarterback, I must put the interest of the team first. The Bears need a full-time quarterback who does not turnover the football, particularly at this time with problems we face at Soldier Field and on the road.

      Therefore, I shall resign the starting quarterback position effective immediately. Back up quarterback Jimmy Clausen will be sworn in as the starter during today’s practice which I might add, will be the best ever.

      Now take me to Dan Snyder’s helicopter. So I can get the hell out of here.”
      – Jay Cutler
      Former Starting Quarterback, Chicago Bears

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    I think the NFL should do a version of Wife Swap. Take a couple teams and have them swap QBs for a year and film everything. not going to say Cutler for Rodgers because that would be too obvious maybe Cutler and Matt Ryan.

  • John Doe

    Listen to the video that plays in this link.

    great stuff about Cutler contract details and why he was benched:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12046195/chicago-bears-potential-jay-cutler-exit-strategies-nfl?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_Sando_CutlerExitStrategies

    • Doc Hamstring

      Gahh, are you kidding me?

      They START with the assumption that benching Cutler was ANYTHING but Trestman’s decision.

      If you start from a flawed premise, how can you trust ANY speculation that results?

  • CanadaBear

    I gave up on Cutler after the Buffalo game. Not dancing a jig that he got benched but not going to worry about it. As long as Teddy, PE, Nessman and his staff are canned, I’ll at least be hopeful of better times. I can’t bring myself to feel bad for millionaires (unless it involves family tragedy) so no tears for Cutler. He’s made his bed. However, the other guys all deserve the keys to the street, too. Emery reminds me of all the people that talk in platitudes because they aren’t smart enough to come up with anything original. Nessman (as the name implies) is a total milquetoast panty waist. My mother on her worst day had 10X’s the backbone that jellyfish motherfucker has. Tucker is the worst DC I’ve ever seen. The talent level on the team is way worse than a lot of you guys will admit.

    As far as the blog is concerned, Johnny brought more laughs and entertainment here than most of you combined. I might not agree with him but it was always fun to go back and forth. The posters on here dancing on his grave make me want to puke.

    • GPLDAN

      Get yourself a bucket then.

      Only so many times the door can get slammed while calling us all faggots that should be tolerated.

      • CanadaBear

        Come on GP, you know as well as anyone that stuff was all BS. It was Johnny being Johnny.

        • GPLDAN

          I gave Johnny being Johnny it’s play for 4 years. I worked at seeing things his way, trolling him in such an obvious way that even he appreciated it, and working my ass off to raise spirits and make him laugh.

          But the Cutler thing rankles me. Today is a validation that Cutler is the guy from that 2010 SI article. It’s upsetting, and a black season full of bad feelings. Johnny could have dialed himself to the top of the respect ladder by posting a mea culpa, an admission that he was wrong about the guy and the anger he feels that his play has been so shit this year.

          Instead he doubled down, stormed out again, spit at all of us in the face while doing it, claimed the blog was different back in the day when you and I know it wasn’t and insisting that someday Jay will win a Super Bowl with the Browns and we’ll all be sorry. Fuck that.

          • BearDown100393

            The truly crazed always return to the scene of the crime due to morbid curiosity of the aftermath. Simply cannot help it.

          • Doc Hamstring

            You know, I’m glad that I never posted or read much of the comments from the old site, or the old old site. So much drama. I regret a little coming out of the woodwork this season, because it doesn’t take much for drama to get started.

            I mean, look now? A guy who doesn’t post here anymore is prompting another argument.

          • beninnorcal

            You’re the one taking this shit way too seriously.

          • GPLDAN

            That’s fine. I will stop.

            I’m being an asshole saying I was right that Emery and Trestman were jokers, the whole thing was a clown college. I get nobody wants to hear that now.

            But it really pissed me off this summer when you could see these guys were bozos and asswipes and nobody else would say it outside a few guys on the radio.

          • beninnorcal

            Never said anyone was being an asshole, just don’t see why the shit-storm at Halas Hall has to carry over here. Who cares if Johnny’s pissed at everyone, he’s not, he’s pissed at Da Bears.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve consistently criticized PE on here ever since the first draft. This year I said we could be anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6 and probably 8-8. While that’s not calling out Nessman, it was hardly a glowing endorsement.

          • Big Mike

            Still behind Emery. Call it a gut feeling. Call it being an irrational fan holding on to the last shred of dignity. Call my opinion whatever you want. it’s my opinion and I’ll change it when I’m ready. BTW, not trying to debate this now, because I don’t feel that strongly about it.

          • EnderWiggin

            This blog is waaaay different than it used to be. Just without MB, R2, Ghost of Halas, peterno, AlinTucson, makes all the difference in the world.
            The last two years the only constant has been Blogfather. And Cheesy.

          • ErikGrogan

            Honorable mention!

          • CanadaBear

            Not once did I ever take any of Johnny’s colorful screeds to heart. Just a super fan being a super fan. I wouldn’t expect an apology. Obviously he knows he hitched his wagon to the wrong horse. Walking around here with his tail between his legs wouldn’t bring me any joy.

          • BerwynBomber

            I felt bad for Waffle last night; in fact, he got annoyed with me because he thought I was patronizing him like a baby (which he was right about). That said, I can see how the name-calling could rankle and I wonder if he is a fan of the Chicago Bears or just Jay Cutler. But I have not known him pre-Cutler days so have no idea.

          • Big Mike

            not to pile on, what if he’s just a fantasy football guy. no.. that cant be..

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            That’s not Johnny. At all.

          • Big Mike

            So good. I was just thinking it and typed it. Like I said I hadn’t paid attention to any of the drama, but I’m the blog big time today following the Cutler/Trestman story line…

      • beninnorcal

        Yeah, GPL, not feelin’ all this ‘Fuck Waffle’ bullshit all the sudden. You accuse him of freaking out at people who disagree with him yet you’re doing the exact same thing because he disagreed with you Re: Cutler.

        • GPLDAN

          I didn’t disagree with him about Cutler.

          I never sided against Cutler. Not once. You won’t find a single post from me predicting Cutler would suck or flame out.

          • beninnorcal

            Pretty sure I can recall a few. Namely one a few years back where you speculated many of his teammates would come out later saying he was a locker-room cancer and that no one liked him. Nothing against you GPL, I never sensed you were a big Cutler fan.
            Not that I give a shit. You just seem off-base with this ‘Waffle-gate’ situation.

          • GPLDAN

            I’m the one who posted (and kept reposting) that SI article about Cutler blowing off lunch with Elway and Shanny. How he got thrown in the pool by others at the All-Star game, because everyone hated him.

            I thought his character sucked. Most of the consensus was that body language is overrated.

            But since we were stuck with him, I didn’t say “he’s going to ruin us” or play badly. When he DID have a bad game, like during the first Pack game when they sat on his slant routes and kept picking him, I said it was terrible QB play. Because it was.

          • beninnorcal

            I don’t know, I’ve read a couple thousand of your posts I’m sure. Maybe you never flat out said he sucks, but I always got the sense you weren’t too keen on him. Again, I mean no offense and don’t wanna piss anyone off. Maybe it was just me.

        • It’s not Waffle disagreeing which gets tiresome, but him calling anyone who disagrees a faggot, troll, idiot, etc.
          It’s funny and colorful, but sometimes it just gets old and borderline delusional.
          It’s like that last Japanese imperial soldier defending some shit hole bunker 40 years later. Respect the tenacity, but at a certain point Just have to admit defeat and move on.
          But there is such a thing as too pot committed.

          • Big Mike

            I’ve stayed out of this. But here are the two reasons why of all the Bears Blogs, boards, comment sections etc. I started frequenting this space
            – Informed contributors
            – no personal attacks (these have largely only occurred recently due to the flameout of the season)
            – Some interesting commenters (diverse backgrounds, ages and perspective)

            Keep it nice everyone.

      • For the record, he called me a cunt for frequently making wise cracks about Cutler and Bortles. But I really don’t give a shit cuz I knew I was right. This benching, which should’ve happened after the Panthers game imo, only validates what my eyes have seen all season, and what my heart has tried to deny all these cutty years.
        Cutler will never win a SB.
        You can drop to the 85 bears, and they woud have had to carry him like a sherpa up the Himalayas.
        I realized this later than some, but once I did, I wanted Cutler out of here at the most convenient time for the Bears.
        Apparently, that was immediately, which is fine by me.

        • huntinbare

          I am a big fan of the Everest mystique… I go to the Everest sight every spring to follow the throng….I recommend listening to this book on tape “Into Thin Air” by John Krakauer …it is a great place to start…what has transpired on that mountain says alot about humanity…I have been following a climber Simone Miro and watching the ” drama from his and his partner Peter’s perspective ..tough individuals…thanks for making think of the mountain

  • Bender McLugh

    Hey, Smardzija is back in Chicago, right?

  • Big Mike

    To twitter for the press conferences..

    • GPLDAN

      Presser is now 2pm Chicago time.

      I think that’s CST, but I constantly forget if we’re on DST or not.

      • Big Mike

        ok. I was wondering why nothing was going on.

  • GPLDAN

    Narrative is now this is Trestman’s fuck you to Emery.

    Jay gets another coach fired. I think in Marc Trestman’s mind, he’s a great coach undermined by a quarterback that nobody can work with.

    I think the reality is much much different.

    • if Cutler had been the only problem this year, I might buy that. But I can’t name a single aspect of the team that has improved in year 2 under Trestman’s tenure. OK, maybe DL, but the talent upgrade there was more significant than the performance increase, IMO.

      • BearDown100393

        To a man, the Bears unanimously agree that their practices are much better.

  • GPLDAN

    Score just announced the Presser lineup for 2pm

    Marc Trestman
    then
    Jay Cutler
    then Jimmy Clausen
    then
    Aaron Kromer

    …this is shaping up to be very very awkward

    • They should line up McDaniels, Tice and Martz just to make it must see tv

      • Big Mike

        I’m twisted, but I want Tice back. With everything we are learning about Cutler, I want the old O’line coach to have a wack at being a head coach again.

    • BearDown100393

      Special Guest Appearance: Mike Ditka

  • Big Mike

    OMG, the tweets from the Trestman presser are like watching a car wreck..MT: Says Cutler will look back on this from a “very positive perspective.” That is a tough one to figure in my opinion.

  • GPLDAN

    I’m waiting for the “you won’t have Dick Nixon to kick around” line to fly here…

    this is so awkward

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Trestman is getting pissy! This is kind of fun to watch in a sick way. Gross.

    • Big Mike

      Trestman on Jay’s struggles: ‘They’re multiple.”

      • GPLDAN

        “it’s structural”

        what does that mean?

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          He’s playing Jenga.

          • GPLDAN

            Bellichek is a Jenga master I guess

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Problem is Trestman is playing it with marbles.

        • Big Mike

          Built in. Don’t blame me. Will take a long time to fix. If Jay stays keep me too.

  • EnderWiggin

    WTF?! Trestman is talking like “Jay is benched, but coachable.” He seems to think that Jay and himself will be back next year.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      All this “journey” talk…gawd.

      • BearDown100393

        “The road to nowhere leads to me….”

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          “Nobody knows the trubble…”

    • Big Mike

      Well it did go from a news leak that Cutler wasn’t starting to a regime change within minutes. Just because twitter/media/fans have made up their minds doesn’t 100% mean that’s what is going to happen.

      • SC Dave

        so this. The ascendency of group-think has become rather frightening.

        • Big Mike

          It’s been tweeted so it must be.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Oh hey, Jimmy Clausen has practiced well! That’s been a GREAT predictor so far.

    • BearDown100393

      Jimmy Sparkplug

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        He’s shaped like one.

  • Big Mike

    There it is.. It’s a process we’re going through…

    • BearDown100393

      72 hour one apparently. Start your watch.

  • GPLDAN

    “does Phil support your decision?”

    “that’s the way it’s worked in the past.”

    uh…huh…

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    We think we have the tools and skills here to help Jay get to where he wants to go.
    By holding a clipboard.
    OK, Marc.

    • Big Mike

      Which is some other team right now…

  • NewBearInTown

    I just want Emery to walk in after Trestman and say “You know what, forget it, he’s fired.”

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      HAHAHAHA I was typing that up too. That would bring joy to my Christmas season, not to tapdance on anyone’s grave or anything.

    • Big Mike

      And then Ted Philips to walk in and fire Emery. and then Virginia McCaskey to walk in and fire all of them. Family included

    • BerwynBomber

      At this point PE might not have the power to fire him. They all could be dead men walking.

      Player-wise, there is a half-decent chance the only QB on the roster we see at camp next summer is Fales.

      • NewBearInTown

        It could be like the end of Robocop. Emery wants to pull the trigger, but needs McCasky to give him the okay first.

  • BearDown100393

    How is McDaniels worse than this? – Asked to Cutler

    • GPLDAN

      I like how Trestman keeps calling Mike Mulligan “Rich”.

      • BerwynBomber

        Kudos to Trestman on that one.

  • GPLDAN

    “Marc is a heck of a offense coach, a heck of a quarterback coach.” -Jay

    • BearDown100393

      He is on a heck of journey back to Canada.

      • GPLDAN

        I just noted that head coach was never said.

    • Big Mike

      Notice he didn’t say Head Coach….That’s the key

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Well, Jay is certainly winning the media battle here. He’s a hell of lot more likeable in this presser than Trestman was.

    • BerwynBomber

      Trestman is death at a presser. No surprise.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Has he ever been so aggressively assholish as he was today though?

        • GPLDAN

          He was pretty bad after the Packers spanked them again.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        He’s death on the sideline too. Minus the scythe,

    • BearDown100393

      Not a bad audition for the other teams right now looking at him.

    • Big Mike

      “The security of the contract is nice, but I’d trade that for reversing our record.” Makes me want to keep him.

      • SC Dave

        You don’t BELIEVE that, do you?

        • Big Mike

          I want to. I really want to

  • BearDown100393

    Jay Cutler handled that presser with a ton of class. Whether it was calculated or not, it doesn’t really matter. He was honest and direct without being critical or shot taking. He has won this hands down.

    • SC Dave

      What the fuck is this, a presidential debate?

      • BearDown100393

        LOL, it sort of is when million dollar jobs are on the line.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Is somebody else supposed to be up there? My live feed is on pause.

    • GPLDAN

      Clausen next. Poor guy.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Does Clausen have dreadlocks? What the hell is under that hat?

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    If Cutler restructured his contract, would that change any minds around here?
    Total hypothetical, but then again, so is the premise that this team would perform better spending another $10 million on defense.

    • Big Mike

      He could be asked to restructure for cap purposes. That’s as close to a “reduction” that you could expect.

    • Scott W.

      I’ve always thought Jay was a bad team’s starter or a good team’s backup. Hell, I STILL like Kyle Orton over Jay.
      That clarified, yeah Mike, if he took a giant pay cut voluntarily, I’d be fine with letting him keep his all-access pass.

    • BerwynBomber

      I’d be for that, but just know, you’re probably not winning anything with that you wouldn’t with Orton/Grossman-level guys. In other words, Cutler would be pretty much a bridge starter himself. You still need to scour drafts for a young QB and/or try to develop Fales.

      I tend to think true Cutty lovers didn’t want Jay challenged at all. Restructuring his deal would be fine but I would IMMEDIATELY look for his long-term successor.

  • Bender McLugh

    Kromer can suck it

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Kromer makes me want to kick him in the ding-dong bells.

    • GPLDAN

      Kromer reminds me of the scout in Moneyball who betrays Billy Beane and runs to the radio to badmouth him when he gets fired.

      • Big Mike

        Or the douch scout in “trouble with the curve”

  • Oh my gosh that was just embarrassing for pretty much everybody involved except Cutler and Clausen, who both handled it well.
    What on earth did Trestman do in those mock press conferences during his interview to make the Bears think he could handle them?

    • Big Mike

      That’s only 50 % embarassing then, right? Aren’t the coaches supposed to be better at this?

      • well, it was also embarrassing for Emery, in terms of those are the coaches he hired and Cutler said Emery hasn’t even talked to him about it yet.
        BTW, I love how Trestman said in the press conference he didn’t even tell his team about it in person until today, after they had all found out on Twitter. Really?

        • EnderWiggin

          Zero control. The Hall is a zoo right now. Two more games to deal with.
          I’m wondering if we start Clausen this week and Fales next just to give our next coach tape on all 3 of our QBs.

        • Big Mike

          So just know I believe the best chance for a turnaround that doesn’t involve throwing every one from Emery on down out the door is to keep Emery and Cutler. If Cutler had some trade value and the Bears had a plan a top head coach who had a guy they wanted to go after I’d be all for trying to get something for cutler and some help paying for him.

          With that said, I think Emery is wise to stay out of this mess, which seems to be of the coaching staff’s making. Clearly he hired them, but who knew…?

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            One of the best takes I have seen on this whole thing, hell I wanted Arians like most here. But after year 1 of Trestman, we all had hope. We were a blown defensive assignment on a 4th and 8 (or a missed FG in overtime) away from winning the NFC North and hosting a playoff game. Who knew Trestman would completely melt down as a playcaller and a person? That was one of the least likely outcomes going into the season, are we to be pissed at Emery for not having ESP? There were red flags prior to the Trest hire but not like this…

          • Big Mike

            His meltdown has been epic. His control over the culture and character of the team has been appalling. When I go back to Lovie Smith coming to town, he came in and he was the man. He was fiercely loyal and protective of his players. His staff echoed that. They in turn played hard for him, every single week. The media scoffed at “rex is our QB”, but his players did not. Rex was limited talent wise but Lovie created the best possible environment for him to succeed.

            But I’m off track. The point is, nobody could have predicted Emery’s meltdown. He’s gotten smaller each week. He looks lost. He looks like he’d rather be anywhere else. “somebody put me out of my misery”.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    If you ‘re the McCaskey’s why not just let Emery hire Kyle Shanahan (or someone from the Shanahan tree) for next year to try and get Cutler right (but limit his FA $) and if he does, great, we can move forward without giant sweeping changes. If not, clean house: fire Emery, release Cutler, trade/release Marshall, Bushrod, Jennings, Houston, Slauson, and Forte and let the new GM start from scratch with tons of cap room and a high draft pick. Bears would still have a core of Bennett, Alshon and Long on O and Fuller, Young, Ferguson, Sutton and Jones on D. Plus whatever Emery can scrape together this year in the draft. Of course screw this whole plan if we can get Harbaugh.

    • Big Mike

      That’s radical. Houston? Slauson? Bushrod? those guys are in critical spots and don’t suck.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Maybe Bushy and Slaw can stay but Houston will be gone, he won’t be able to live down the blown out ACL after a sack dance thing. His contract is very easy to get out of after 2015. My main point was that we have the mechanisms to get out from some of these veteran contracts so that the new GM can put his fingerprint on the team if he so desired.

        • Big Mike

          Makes sense. Have to weigh Houston against both replacement cost and opportunity cost. I think he’s a tweener. I always thought he could be Alex Brown like. Nice and steady. But we never really got to see.

    • BerwynBomber

      This just a hunch: but I tend to think ownership has pulled the plug on the Cutty Era. My guess is they don’t want to hear the next batch of coaching candidates utter his name in the interview process. A trade will happen.

      • John Doe

        That is exactly what I was thinking too. George McCaskey fired all the 3 of them – Cutler, Emery, and Trestman.

        It is a complete reboot.

        • BerwynBomber

          IF true, the last intriguing domino could BMarsh. He’s owed a lot too, I believe. Would he a be good soldier w/out his besty Cutty around?

          • John Doe

            He will have to cut the crazy down. I think they will trade away quite a few players for picks. I hope they give the new GM the latitude.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, good point. If it truly is a full-scale rebuild expect to see a few more traded than just Cutty.

    • GPLDAN

      UMich threw down on the poker table and went all-in.

      $8M a year for Harbaugh. What does Trestman make? 2?

      The Bears won’t touch that offer.

      • John Doe

        Trestman is $3.5 million per year. Cheapest coach in the NFL. Sean Payton at $8.5 million is the highest paid coach in the NFL.

        • GPLDAN

          Thanks, I wasn’t aware he was so highly paid.

          So I guess 8 could potentially be market rate. I still don’t think the Bears would ever try and match it.

          • John Doe

            No, Bear are not paying anybody $8 million. They will be in the $4-5 million range.

  • Big Mike

    What’s the projecteddifference in draft ranking between 5-11 and 6-10?

    • I just looked into this yesterday. long story short: 7-9 if lose out, 9-11 if they win 1 of 2.

      More detailed explanation here: http://dabearsbeat.com/2014/12/17/updated-bears-draft-scenarios/

      • Big Mike

        I just posted a quick summary below. I focused on how low (7). Took a stab at how high. Heading to look at your forecast now. I like this game. A playoff chase in reverse.

      • Big Mike

        So after reading this, I’ve never been one to talk about tanking… but losing to the vikings could cost the Bears 4 drafts spots from 7 all the way to 11. Seems like you let Fales play and don’t risk Forte.

    • Big Mike

      I did some research. It’s like a “reverse” playoff hunt. The Bears need to get below the Giants and The Falcons. There are 4 teams teams that the Bears can’t catch (TB, Oak, Jaguars, and Titans 2 wins each) there are 2 teams with 3 wins that would need to win both of their games for the Bears to “catch them) Washington and the Jets. The Skins have the Eagles and Cowboys at home (BTW look for that Eagles game to be a home game for the Eagles) The Jets have NE at home and the Dolphins on the road. Unless they win out they “clinch”

      Here is our competition:
      Vikings 6-8 @Miami, Bears
      Rams 6-8 Giants, @Seahawks
      Panthers 5-8-1 Browns, @ Falcons
      Bears 5-9 Lions @Vikings
      Giants 5-9 @Rams, Eagles
      Falcons 5-9 @Saints, Panthers

      The best scenario (assuming the Bears lose out) is for the Giants and Falcons to each lose at least 1 game. Bears would lock up the 7th pick of the draft.

      On the other side of it, if the Bears won out, I think they could draft as late as 15. (about 20 things would have to happen, but there are 8 teams with 6 or 7 wins that they could catch.

      • John Doe

        This is very important. I hope Bears lose out and finish 5-11. Those few spots in the draft can be hugely important.

        Just to give one example from 2013 draft.

        Jon Bostic was pick #50.

        Bills picked Kiko Alonso at #46.

        So that last win at Lions in 2012 cost Bears a shot at Kiko Alonso.

        Kiko Alonso would solved the Bears MLB issue long-term. Instead Emery was forced to pick dumb Bostic who has very little football IQ and football smarts. I have seen him make the same mistakes he was making last year.

        So I hope the kids play well and the Bears put up a good fight but want them to lose out in the last two games.

        • Big Mike

          One of the things that gets lost in the draft hype is the impact in the later rounds. Either by trading back and picking up a selection in the next round or as you point out.

  • John Doe

    I am more convinced after the press conferences today that Cutler, Trestman, Emery are is over.

    If I am reading the tea leaves right, all 3 of them are gone.

    Not even Cutler’s closeness to Emery could save him. In fact, Emery was completely cut out of the loop until decision was made and he had to be informed. This looks to be coming straight from George McCaskey to Trestman to do the dirty deed of benching Cutler.

    Cutler he was shocked and blindsided. He thought he could carry on with his “i don’t care, fuck you Trestman and Kromer” ways for the final 2 games and come back next year to play with who ever the new coach would be at that point. He thought his big contract automatically translated into job security in Chicago.

    Guess not. Cutler has been through this thing once before. The fact that he admitted that the thought crossed his mind that he might have played his last game in Chicago is very revealing. Not every thing is said directly in corporate America and much more info is communicated through actions and how things go down. Cutler got the hunch that he is getting booted out of Chicago.

    Halas Hall is house of intrigue these days. Lots of politics going on. Very little football. I feel for the rookie kids. Rude awakening for them on how business goes on in the NFL.

    • GPLDAN

      This looks to be coming straight from George McCaskey to Trestman to do the dirty deed of benching Cutler.

      Any proof of this assertion?

      • BerwynBomber

        “Looks to be” isn’t exactly an assertion.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          On the contrary, that’s precisely what it is…by definition.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yes, my mistake.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I’m pretty sure that’s Kromer posting, in between sobs.

        • BerwynBomber

          Kromer’s gone. So is DeCam. Only coaches that might survive are third-tier guys like Cavanaugh.

    • Big Mike

      Or he’s staying clean..

  • WP4Life

    dont see jays presser on chicagobears.com just trest, claussen, and kromer

    • John Doe

      Hint hint..

    • John Doe

      Someone in the McCaskey (George ?) family is really mad at Jay.

  • Gas prices are now below $2.50 (on average) across the country. #thankstrestman

  • Big Mike

    Head Coaching candidates… Harbaugh of course. But then on to the more likely and possible some obscure ones. Also those with Bears connections (why I don’t know I like the familiar)
    Tice
    Marinelli
    Martz

    Who else we got.

    Ok seriously
    The D coordinator from the Seahawks.. Forgot his name.. that’s a nice 1a after harbaugh

  • Big Mike

    New thread

  • KBUNK

    I fail to understand the rush to get rid of the best QB this franchise has ever had. I recall a QB in Green Bay who threw interceptions by the bucket load and he surely wasn’t driven out of town. Maybe it was that he never shrugged his shoulders or shook his head but I cannot say for sure. He certainly won plenty of games up there but he was most definitely played on better teams. Another issue is that it is always the QB who seems at fault, and though he is hardly without fault and admitedly has played poorly at times, the defense is again historically bad as in back to back 50’s given up. Perspective is a phenomenal word that I wish more so called fans/experts knew the definition of.

  • Berdj Rassam

    It’s convenient to blame Cutler for all or most of the Bears woes, but that doesn’t make it right. For example, while Cutler has a QB rating of around 90 (middle of the pack in the NFL), the Bears defense is getting torched by their opponents, averaging a QB rating of over 102 – the Bears defense is 31st worse in a league of 32 teams. In addition, the Bears rushing game is 26th worst in the league, and as we know, when the running game is poor, this hurts the passing game. Now, obviously Cutler is overpaid, but that ultimately was the decision of the front office. And yes, Cutler deserves to take part of the blame, but first start with the coaching staff, the front office, the defense, and the running game, and then and only then start to blame Cutler.

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