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Bears-Related Thoughts on the Second Day of Free Agency

| March 12th, 2014

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The Backup QB

The Bears now find themselves (possibly) in the market for a backup quarterback with Josh McCown receiving $10M and the starting job (already) from Lovie Smith and the Tampa Bay Bucs. I never expected McCown to leave Chicago because I never expected (a) anyone to offer him a starting job off 2013 and (b) anyone to pay him that much cash.

My belief is the Bears are comfortable with Jordan Palmer as a veteran backup to Jay Cutler but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the club explore options with potential like Brandon Weeden and Mark Sanchez. As for the draft, I continue to believe the Bears will kick the tires on QB but not until very late in the proceedings. The first 3-4 picks must be spent on the defensive side of the ball.

SAFETY IN NUMBERS

I tweeted this early yesterday and I believe it:

Don’t read too much into Bears signing MD Jennings or Ryan Mundy. Bears need bodies at the position and more specifically NEW bodies.

If you asked Phil Emery and Marc Trestman and Mel Tucker right this minute who they believe will be their starting safeties in September, I get the sense they don’t have the slightest clue. But what they are hoping is they can bring half a dozen young bodies to Bourbonnais and two will run out ahead of the others and earn the gigs. Phil Emery was very clear in his Lamarr Houston/Ryan Mundy press conference. He is going to add as many players as he can to the mix between now and mid-summer.

JARED “NFL’s Ted Nugent” ALLEN

The likelihood of Jared Allen signing with the Chicago Bears is low, I’d say, even with Phil Emery saying Allen was on the team’s radar. Allen just seems like the type of player who finishes his career rushing the passer for Bill Belichick. But I reiterate my belief that Allen is quite literally the perfect complementary player for newly-signed Lamarr Houston and Emery should offer Allen a splashy one-year deal at a reasonable rate. Make Allen turn the Bears down.

Could I learn to root for this guy? I think so.

Could I learn to root for this guy? I think so.

LIONS ADD GOLDEN TATE

The Lions have been looking for a receiver to line up opposite Calvin Johnson for quite some time and the belief inside their organization is that neither Sammy Watkins nor Mike Evans would fall to them on draft. They added Golden Tate and paid him quite a few bucks. If you don’t think this was a money grab for Golden Tate, here are some tweets from the great Dave Birkett of the Free-Press:

Tate: “I had a great 4 years in Seattle and I’m going to miss that place to death … But to me it just made more sense to come here.”

Tate said one thing that sold him was joing the division, said: NFC North, that’s what it is, right?

Tate said he’s a big golfer, and that was another selling point for him. Talked about that in his 15-20 minute conversation with Ford Jr.

When I think of the great golfing in this country, I immediately think of…Detroit.

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  • NewBearInTown

    “Splashy one year deal at a reasonable rate.” If its a reasonable rate, its not splashy.

    Allen probably wants something like 3 years $22M with $10M guaranteed. That $7M a year average is about right for him. The deal you are describing is $7-8M for the one year, probably mostly guaranteed or at least guaranteed for injury. I just don’t see us going quite that high. I think $5M is probably our max. At that level, it would have to be multi-year to be attractive. And at that point, I think we look elsewhere.

    Emery wasn’t kidding when he said he wanted to get younger. The Bears offense is ready to win now, but they’re ready to win for the next 5 years if we manage the cap properly. Emery won’t want to sell out on the defense to make a big splash for a year or two before rebuilding again.

    • tobijohn

      Good points…

  • johnnywad

    http://palmerparkgolfcourse.com/

    Here you go Jeff. Detroit Golf.

    I used to play here in college. Only place I could afford AND it was close to campus.

    Dress Code: Collared shirt preferred.

    That’s how you know you’re about to walk 18 holes for $9.00.

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    It feels good to know that we are actually going to pick a badass DT or S in the mid first round while the OT land grab happens in the first 13 picks. Or, at least I hope that there is an OT land grab in the first couple of picks.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      There will be. Robinson’s going to be a beast. Matthews will be consistent if unspectacular. And even Lewan is now getting mocked in the top 10. Kouandijo would have gone early too if not for the medical on him. But for sure 2-3 OTs will be drafted before us. For sure 2-3QBs (Bortles, Manziel, Carr?). 2WRs (Watkins, Evans). 3DE/OLBs (Clowney, Mack, Barr).

      We’ll absolutely be able to draft a top 2 CB, S, or a top 3 DT/DE. Mathematical certainty.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Orrrrrrr … we trade down and get ourselves another pick and go drafting for value. Ditch the hype, use your draft board.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Drafting DT high in the Draft is a bad choice more often than not. It’s a disaster when you have to rebuild a D. If the Bears do that it would be a stupid, stupid thing.

  • Shady

    I say the Bears trade a 6th or 7th for Mike Glennon.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      he’s a shitty clone of Nathan Enderle. You pick starting quarterbacks in the first round or pick them up as free agents. IMHO.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        Football is won and lost in the trenches. Seattle won a fucking superbowl because they could run the ball and didn’t let Manning plant his old man back foot before he got mauled by the Seattle front 7 on every single play.
        Kapernick survived so far because he doesn’t have to be a quarterback. The O line of the and running game for the 49ers was so dominant that it opened up everything else.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Sorry, their leading rusher was a receiver – Percy Harvin. Marshawn Lynch didn’t break 40 yards. They had no running game in the Superbowl.

          Mike Glennon isn’t a shitty QB either. He’s just young.

          • gpldan

            He said San Fran, not Seattle.

            And while Seattle didn’t rush big in the Super Bowl, Lynch was a big reason they had to crowd the line and got thrown on. Just his threat threw the Broncos off.

            As for San Fran, it’s unarguable that the Pro Bowl line and Gore was a big reason they could do what they did.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ” Seattle won a fucking superbowl because they could run the ball….”

          • Irish Sweetness

            Seattle’s victory was all about defense.

      • gpldan

        I voted up the Nathan Enderle drop. +7 blog points.

        Glennon has some speed, of which Enderle had none.

      • tobijohn

        He actually had some decent stats last season (19/9 TD/INT, 60% completion/84 QBR), especially considering the fact that he got thrown into the fray after the Schiano/Freeman debacle and Tampa really had not that much offensive talent…

        • Big Mike

          Glennon would do fine as a back up in Trestman’s offense. Decent feet, no speed, pocket presence, accurate, good decision maker. Better arm than McCown.

      • DaMurph

        ?? first round? Like Montana and Brady and Kaepernick…..or trade Like Steve Young? Youre a little off on that observation.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          Murph, i think there were 5 QB’s taken in the whole 1979 draft my man. Different league with different priorities. Defense and the run game was the focus of that draft.
          Brady was such as anomaly that there is an NFL Films special on it.
          Kaepernick was selected in the beginning of the 2nd and played behind an entire line of pro bowlers
          Young was a first round pick and was selected before even Reggie White. You trade for that kind of guy. You pay FA money for that kind of guy,

          You don’t develop a late round pick somehow into Brady or else you wait every 15 years

          • DaMurph

            Im saying those arent the only ways to grab a QB in this league, hell we traded for Cutler, yeah I know he was a first round pick. If they think Glennon has talent, what a 6 or 7 for that mean? If a 6 or 7 makes your team its gold anyway. Russell Wilson, 3rd round,Andy Dalton 2nd round Drew Brees 2nd round…. ya never know where your gonna get one.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            i should have included Trade with FA and Draft 1.

            I just don’t trust dudes that don’t go in 1. I agree that you never know when a certain young man is going to step up. Some studs never do and some guys are diamonds in the rough.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Half the guys (prob more) in the 1st are busts too. Once every decade there’s a Luck, Peyton, Elway…the rest are nearly inscrutable.

            Look at how shitty Roethlisburgh, Eli and Flacco did this past season. All SB winners, and then they suddenly became “un-elite”? That’s why Cutler got the contract he did.

            Did anyone see Kapernick’s completion percentage under pressure? It’s like 53%. If he were more accurate, they’d probably have two rings already.

            Granted, Kap’s young, but that’s the knock on running QBs. When the pressure’s on, they’re better runners than accurate clutch passers.

            Cutty has shown last year that he excels in pressure situations more than he chokes. That GB game proved to me that he can excel with Trestman and these weapons. That’s a trend I’m willing to bet on.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll put my hand up for Big Ben – he’s a great QB, his line sucked. I never rated Eli, and Flacco just has a big arm. Big Ben is a solid QB though. We’d win a superbowl with him. He’s a winner.

          • Big Mike

            Second year in the offense. I’m telling you Cutler is going to shred the league this year. Only the 2nd time in the last 7 years he has not been digesting a new offense. The offense was good last year. This year it is going to be unbelievable. The offensive line has a year of experience to build on. That kid Marques Wilson might get in to the mix. Even though the focus will be on defense (as it should) they might pick up one more weapon this offseason. Cutler will be a top 10 QB or higher this year. Career Year is my bet.

          • Irish Sweetness

            95% of pro-bowlers are first rounders. Says it all.

          • bearsfantillend

            really 95%.. i hope you are being sarcastic, because that number is way off.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            55% of all statistics are lies.

            Truthbomb.

          • Irish Sweetness

            73.8% of all stats are made up on the spot.

          • CanadaBear

            I think you pushed that number up closer to 74% with that pro bowl stat.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It is. Over half of pro bowlers are drafted in the first, with 30% being drafted in the first or second – so you’re looking.at just over 15% of PBers cming from Round 4 and onwards.

            Disclaimer : Being selected to the PB does not mean you are the best at your position by measureables.

          • 505Bears

            Like sex panther…60% of the time it works every time

          • Irish Sweetness

            Tom Brady!

        • NewBearInTown

          So there are 32 teams in the NFL. Maybe 20 of them have true starting QBs currently. And in the past decade that equates to like 40 quarterbacks that have been decent starters for at least a season.
          You had to go back to the 1980s to find three names that were late round pickups? And one them was selected at the top of the second round.
          It happens. Once every two or three years a starter emerges from outside the first round. But I think 2-3 starters on average come out of the first round most years. Maybe not probowlers, but starters.

          • Big Mike

            One of the biggest advantages of having Cutler, besides his production, is not having to spend a #1 every year on a QB. It’s very unsettling to not have that position taken care of.

      • NewBearInTown

        Lovie is doing it right. McCown can start for anywhere from 5 games to a season and a half. Meanwhile you draft a good player and actually let him develop for a bit before throwing him in the deep end. Most coaches don’t get the chance to do that. Lovie has at least a couple of free years in Tampa – he’ll have the chance to develop a starter if he wants one.

        • Shady

          Lovie is doing it his way, not necessarily the right way. Play great defense, get off the bus running and don’t turn the ball over. Worked for Seattle, but I’m not sure McCown can be a difference maker as a caretaker in Lovie’s offense.

          • BerwynBomber

            McCown could very well be a Trestman-fed mirage. That said, part of me still wouldn’t have minded seeing the Bears roll the dice on a long-term gamble by using him as a bridge; that is, cut ties with Cutler, let Trestman draft and mold a kid from scratch and give the keys to McCown for a year or two. But hey, the plan is what it is and we have to trust that Emery and Trestman know what they are doing.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I cannot believe that mirages throw 13 TDs and only 1 interception. He was very lucky he had two go-up-and-get-it receivers in fairness … but then so did Cutty. Josh looks after the ball, Cutty doesn’t. That’s Cutty’s main weakness, the arrogance.

          • Big Mike

            Hopefully it’s a small part. Because as we will learn this year watching McCown in Tampa (and I wish him the very best and couldn’t be happier for how this worked out for him), he had a Matt Flynn type run for 5-6 weeks against defenses in the bottom third of the league, with weapons all around him and he put up spectacular numbers. He’s average at best. Nothing wrong with that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He paid what McCown is worth, and good luck to Josh. He was our best QB.

          • Big Mike

            No he wasn’t.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Was.

    • BerwynBomber

      Is Lovie willing to part with him? Weird that the Bucs would give up on him so fast. I thought he played reasonably well for a rook or second-year guy. Haugh suggested (yeah, I think he’s a moronic douche too but he may have decent sources) that Brandon Weeden might be a guy the Bears would be interested in (at the right price) as apparently Tresticles once tutored him and liked him.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Too me, he seemed like a poor man’s Joe Flacco. I wouldn’t mind at all if we traded a late round pick for him IF Trestman wants him.

        • NewBearInTown

          Too many QBs on the market right now to trade a pick. We need our draft picks to bring in bodies on defense.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            We’re using a late round draft pick on a QB anyways. Almost a guarantee. If Trestman prefers Glennon over say, Jordan Lynch, I’d have no problems with that. It’s either that or some UFDA QB, but we really need to start grooming a quality prospect and not some bum off the street ASAP. Cutler is essentially on a 3 year contract.

          • Big Mike

            Any QB we take in the late rounds is simply a guy to have around, maybe clean him up and get a draft choice for him later. In 2-3 years the Bears will be drafting their QB of the future. He will be a first round pick, he’ll be one of the top 5 QBs in the class and it wouldn’t surprise me if Trestman and Emery will be the only ones in the NFL that have this particular QB on top of their draft board.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      Shady, i reread my post and it came across as bitchy and aggressive. I’m trying to tone that shit down. I apologize.

      • Cormonster

        I for one personally enjoy your rants. Maybe just tone down some of the personal stuff.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          this one wasn’t an attack, it’s just looked like one. i hear you though.

          • NewBearInTown

            Let’s try a test on this kindler, gentler Johnny…
            I think the Bears should have given McCown the $10M. Cutler is overrated and a makes mean faces on the sideline. I can not have him as my quarterback because he is mean to his teammates. Look what happened in Miami when someone was being mean. Josh McCown is a good teammate. That’s totally worth $5M a year.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            I see what you are saying and respect your right to voice your feelings. With that being said i hope the light of life extinguishes within you

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            kinder and gentler!!

          • NewBearInTown

            I’m still cracking up reading that for the fifth time.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This should have been factored into Cutty’s contract. We’re a team with depth when Cutty AND McCown are on the roster, . especially since the backup is better than the starter IMHO (or at least he looks after the ball better – same difference to me).

            Now we’re just an injury away from sucking – mind you, we said that about Josh.

          • MrARodgers

            Noooo, you suck right now!

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          no friendly fire from me this year. All of my anger will be directed to the troll ass beeyotches like MrARodgers and other homos that don’t have handles because they be huge pussies.

          • tobijohn

            The acid test for you will be when Cutty is out for a couple of games and Jordan Palmer puts up back to back 110+ QBRs and throws 7 TDs and no picks and Chicago again wants Jay to hold a clipboard the rest of the season…

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            lol, Bears offense will be awesome and Cutty will remain unharmed. Trestman will protect our treasure.

  • MB30SD

    GP, checking out TG, the McClaren MP4 Vs. Ferrari 458

    Clarkson basically said it’s bad ass (made 2nd fastest lap ever), but totally not-fun.

    • gpldan

      The MP4 isn’t a fun car. The 458 is.

      • MB30SD

        Yep. I’d take either if offered

  • IBNO

    Peanut is a guy I would root for no matter where he’s playing.

    Jared Allen is a guy I would root against no matter where he’s playing.

    • Cormonster

      About a month ago Peanut called in to the Score and had a long conversation with Lawrence Holmes. He “guaranteed” he would retire as a Bear. I tend to believe him.

      • NewBearInTown

        What he meant by that was that he would sign a ceremonial one day contract and retire here when his career ends. If he goes to play for another team, and wins a Superbowl there, he’s promising that he will still come back to retire as a Bear.

        • Trac

          Next you’ll tell the poor guy that Santa ain’t real. Way to go NB, way to go. Hee hee

          • MB30SD

            psssssst… santa isn’t the big one.

            hee heeeeee

          • Trac

            This big one?

            The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? PS 27:1

  • Viva

    Lovie is going to beat us to Aaron Donald in the draft.

    • NewBearInTown

      I won’t complain if that happens. Increases the chances of a DE being available – though those are still slim.

      • Viva

        I think Donald is a flat out stud, and pray nightly to the football gods that he is available @ 14.

        • NewBearInTown

          Hey, I won’t complain if he’s available. But there are, by my count, at least 7 defensive linemen that we could take at #14 and be happy. Plus Dix and a couple of other DBs. Unless the entirety of the first 13 picks are on offense (not happening) we’re going to get a great prospect where we’re sitting.

    • Trac

      I wonder what the mantra will be if the Love miester kicks ass next year? MB?

      • Johnathan Wood

        they have a stud DT already and no good DEs. Ok, one good DE now that they just signed one.

        Kahlil Mack if he’s there, no questions asked.

        • NewBearInTown

          Unless Lovie sees Aaron Donald playing DE.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Are you saying that to bait, MB?

      • Viva

        Lovie inherited Urlacher, Peanut, Mike Brown, and Alex Brown. He did get the best out of them, but he was dealt a great hand…

      • MB30SD

        again, lovie will average out to average. he’ll have a few really good years and a few really bad years. like i said, somewhere between 8-8 and 11-5 every year. Make the playoffs once in a while, maybe win a div title here and there. average.

        let’s not get giddy and start asking lovie if he wants a sloppy wet blow job just yet trac.

        • Big Mike

          He will right the ship in Tampa. Nobody seems to remember what a cluster bomb the Bears were when Lovie stepped in. He is a character builder. He will actually be far more appreciated in Tampa than Chicago. It seems like I’m alone in thinking I loved the way he snubbed the Chicago Media. Had JA not f’d a decade of drafts and done his job, Lovie would be remembered much differently. 1 more win in two different years would have put the Bears in the playoffs 4 out his last 6 years. 1 more playoff win, would have gotten the Bears to the SB 2 out of his last 6 years.

          You think a slightly better draft each year might not have gotten those 3 more wins? Hell, getting one offensive lineman right out of the 4 or 5 they took would have gotten those wins.

          Tampa goes to 8-8 this year, changes their character with an influx of old Bears, Hell if this had happened last year, he’d definitely pick up Urlacher.

          • IBNO

            Lovie is a player’s coach, yes. The opposite of Schiano.

            But let’s not forget this organization chewed through personnel. It’s gonna take Lovie a while to fix all that’s broken in Tampa.

            Plus, they can have all the old Bears they want. The Tampa-2 is obsolete, and trying to run it with old Bears isn’t going to improve it.

          • Big Mike

            Pretty safe bet that Lovie did not waste his year off. The bears had even less talent when he arrived. The old bears will be fine for a year. Set the tone for the team

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      He doesn’t need one, which is exactly why he’ll draft Donald – Lovie logic.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I hope so, he’s too small to play tackle.

  • Trac

    Actually Jeff, you also said McCown wouldn’t leave for an extra couple of mil. Yeeeaaah.

    • tobijohn

      I’ll bet the difference between what the Bears were planning on offering and what TB committed to was more than a couple mil..

  • tobijohn

    Like just about everyone here, I’m sorry to see Josh go but when someone offers you silly money, you’ve just got to take it.

    And let me go on record here as saying I would be OK with Palmer as our #2, just as I was last year with Josh as our #2. I suspect the secret sauce on the sandwich is Trestman/Kromer/Cavanaugh…

    • NewBearInTown

      Trestman helped a lot, but McCown looked good because Forte, Marshall and Jeffery made him look good.
      Tampa has some weapons, but not like Chicago. Wow, its weird saying that.

      • tobijohn

        Yes, absolutely. Not sure who he has to throw or handoff to down there…

      • bearsfantillend

        Tampa’s weapons are not that bad – Mike Williams, Vincent Jackson, Doug Martin.

        • NewBearInTown

          Martin is a stud. The receivers are above average, though not stellar. If Lovie doesn’t draft a QB in the first round, there are some stud WRs that will be there at #7 though. Then they’ll start looking a lot better.

          • bearsfantillend

            Vincent Jackson was 14th in yards with Glennon throwing him the ball. Jackson is a stud.

        • Irish Sweetness

          But that’s it. They have two tier two WRs. We have two top tier receivers, Uni, Forte, Earl … that’s two more worthy targets than they have. More outs.

    • Irish Sweetness

      How is 5M silly money to be a starter ? It’s a fucking steal for the Bucs. Paying 5m a year for your starter??? I thought he was worth 8M. Starter should get 125M, backup = 5. The imbalance between backup and starting salaries is insane. Your #1 goes down and your #2 IS your starter …..

  • NewBearInTown

    Patriots signed Revis. $12M a year.
    That number sounds right for Revis, $16M was always going to be too high. Tampa’s problem wasn’t signing that contract, it was giving up the first rounder. They were the only team that was willing to pay that much money anyway.
    And now the Patriots have a new stud on defense to replace Talib. More draft picks to use rebuilding that offense. I think they’ll get a compensatory pick in 2015 as well. The rich get richer again.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agree but they play it smart. The vast majority of teams would be crapping a brick to let someone like Talib go (a shutdown corner in his prime). But the Pats believe in their development system and not locking into veterans (beyond Brady) for long contracts. And they pick up the Talibs, Mosses and Revises of the world for short-term difference-makers.

  • NewBearInTown

    Corey Graham to the Bills. 4 years, $16M.
    Corey’s a great player, but that’s too rich for my blood.

    • Big Mike

      By. See you. Good luck. That’s starter money.

    • IBNO

      Ugh, Corey’s a good player and guy, but what the fuck is it with Buffalo overpaying for players?

      And why the hell would Corey want to go to Buffalo? For 10% less he could’ve ended up somewhere less sad.

      • CanadaBear

        Can’t disagree but that 10% is $1.6 mil.

  • NewBearInTown

    Walter on the McCown signing (and I agree with all of this):

    The popular opinion is to criticize the Buccaneers for bringing in a “journeyman” quarterback who apparently is bound to regress without Marc Trestman. Of course, the popular opinion is often wrong. There are two things to consider regarding the Trestman factor:

    First, McCown played well without Trestman in Chicago, albeit in limited action. He had some solid games in 2011 when Jay Cutler was injured despite playing on a completely depleted offense (no Brandon Marshall, Matt Forte was injured). Second, offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford is a pretty solid quarterbacks coach, so he’ll get a lot out of McCown. Perhaps he won’t be as effective as Trestman, but McCown should still play well.

    Considering McCown was the top free agent quarterback available, a 2-year, $10 million price tag is very reasonable. The Buccaneers are much better off offensively than they were yesterday.

    • Johnathan Wood

      Mike Glennon last year was better than McCown has ever been in 10 years outside of 2013.

      He had a 68.3 passer rating with Lovie in 2011 and was so inspiring they promptly brought in Jason Campbell for $3M to take his job.

      I love McCown, but TB will regret this money.

      • NewBearInTown

        Here’s the thing. McCown is a dependable backup quarterback. Before you can bring in a rookie starter, you need a veteran backup. They could draft any player they want in this draft to play QB and ruin him in one season if they don’t have a good veteran mentor. The reality is, they’ll only get the third best QB if they’re lucky. They need McCown. When you look at what starting QBs make, and what else was available, McCown’s contract makes sense. I’ve been saying he’d be offered $10M for a couple of months and nobody believed me, but its just the reality of the market. If Lovie hadn’t paid McCown the $10M, Houston would have. If it wasn’t Houston, it would have been Jacksonville or Cleveland or even Oakland.
        As to Glennon. Its a false comparison. Glennon should be compared to the rookie they draft, not the vet. Totally different roles. Glennon is too young to be the veteran mentor. I agree, giving up on a him is a mistake, but Lovie could just be talking to give McCown his moment and light a fire under Glennon.
        Glennon should be part of a camp competition with McCown and one other young prospect. McCown should start week 1 no matter what. But the Glennon and another young guy will be competing hard to take the starting job and be the future of the franchise.

        • bearsfantillend

          That is a load of crap. You don’t need a veteran backup for rookie QB. Luck, Wilson, Griffen, did not have backups anywhere near the quality of McCown. Hell another rookie pushed Rex Grossman to 3rd on the depth chart in Washington. Luck’s backup Drew Stanton, and Wilson’s backup was Matt Flynn. They all did alright in their rookie year. I could go further back in history but its late and i am tired. For a rookie QB to be successful you need 3 things
          1. great offensive coaches, that tailor their offences to the QB.
          2. good offensive weapons ie RB and WRs.
          3. an offensive line that is not a seive.

          • Trac

            Chicago has been the vehicle for some of the best backup QB’s in recent memory. Nobody is expecting McCown to be a franchise QB. The Bucks hope he’ll allow them them to cultivate a franchise qb. Big difference.Having a guy like McCown gives teams without a legit qb a lot of breathing room.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He is a legit QB though.

          • Trac

            Yes but unless he has found the fountain of youth, only for a limited amount of time. That is my point I guess.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Absolutely. He’s a one or two year thing only. But for a superbowl run, he’s what you want behind Cutty, right?

            You pay Cutty 15M, You pay McCown 5M, Seems fair to me. Cutty don’t want that? Bye bye Jay, so long, We’ll go with Josh and draft the new guy. Whoever signs Jay better have a nice big offensive line though, or that shit’s going south real quick.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You absolutely need a vet behind a rookie QB !

            1. Somebody has to teach/mentor the rook. I always use the Steve Young quote. He learned the game of football on the bench watching McMahon. Some QB coach who copies the playbooks and staples shit together isn’t teaching anyone.

            2. When the rook shits the bed, who goes in? Your other rook?

            3. When the rook goes down, who goes in? Your other rook?

          • bearsfantillend

            not saying its not beneficial to have a veteran backup i am saying it is not necessary. as you can see in my examples RG3 did not have one,unless you count Grossman – who did not dress most of the season. Drew Stanton played in 12 games in 3 years and only started 4. btw i watched the games he started, i was not impressed and IMO not much help there to Luck. Flynn had 2 starts in 4 years before he became Wilsons backup and Flynn sucked on every team he went to besides GB. Its more on the coaching staff to put the Rookie in a situation to succeed, by limiting his reads or running a system that is more congruent to their college system. Just look at the offensive schemes Washington and Seattle ran, they included a lot of stuff that those rookies did in college. But i guess it was just coincidence that Wilson and RG3 were successful their rookie seasons.

            BTW that Steve Young quote that you like so much was referring to his college days at BYU not much help in the NFL. And Steve Young was crap his 1st 2 years with the Bucs, why? because the teams sucked, no weapons, no offensive line, crappy coaching staff.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Lovie wants a guy who can (a) play ball (b) mentor the young guy – which McCown excels at. Lovie saw that McCown was the best FA QB. Period. I thought McCown would get 8M a year, roughly half of the average QB salary – if you can pay your starter half the average salary, you’re doing a good thing. It’s a no-brainer. Lvie got his starter for this year for 5M. That’s genius. We’ll pay 20M to a guy to throw it to the other team before he gets injured and we put Jordan fkn Palmer in.

      • Irish Sweetness

        How in thee fuck can you regret paying your starter 5M when everyone else is paying theirs 20M ???!!! It’s a once in a lifetime bargain!!!

        • Johnathan Wood

          if he puts up a passer rating in the 60s, he’s not worth veteran minimum…

  • NewBearInTown

    Here’s an interesting plan for Lovie (won’t happen, but interesting nonetheless):
    Use the #7 pick on Sammy Watkins. I have concerns about his height (6’1″), but he’s predicted to go in the top 5, so getting him at 7 would be a semi-steal.
    Draft Garrapolo at the top of the second round.
    Use the remaining picks (3, 5, 7) on defensive depth.
    Now you’ve got VJax and Watkins on the outside. McCown starting off the year. Glennon and Garrapolo both competing to take his job. Glennon was from the previous administration and Garrapolo isn’t a first round pick, so whoever gets cut, there isn’t any major backlash.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Garrapolo is a classic “Team will trade back into the mid-late first to draft him” QB. That could be the bucs, but they’ll have competition.

      • NewBearInTown

        There are seven viable guys in this QB class. McCarron, Mettenberger and Carr are also both viable options. I doubt all seven will be hits, but they’re all good prospects.
        And having McCown greatly increases the chances of success for whoever they bring in.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          I hear both the Raiders and the Vikings really like Carr and that Manziel is just a smokescreen. Some scouts rate Carr ahead of Bortles or Manziel. I have a feeling the Vikes really like him.

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, greetings to all the off-season DBBers, especially those like myself who live in Chiberia and had to weather this meteorological nonsense for the last 3+ months. Anyway, I like what we’ve done so far: it’s all about freeing up money and attaining adequate bodies. Obviously, the first-round pick will have high expectations but beyond that the plan looks to be semi-modest on the D-side of the ball: basically build a top-20/maybe top-15 defense in a year and let the O largely carry the team. Tough to see McCown go but I predicted that halfway through last season and became absolutely convinced once we gave Cutler a mega-deal. You just can’t pay two QBs that kinda cash. Far as I know only the idiot Jerry Jones has tried it as Neckbeard makes a hefty salary as back-up. Anyway, wouldn’t surprise me if we got the best out of McCown and that Trestman could spin some fool’s gold out of Jordan Palmer.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      It was about 80 degrees in L.A. I went on my walk, saw hot girls in yoga pants with sport’s bra. I’m probably going to the beach sometime this week and drink some Micheldas (that’s mexican for delicious) and glare at women picking their bikinis out of their butts. Cheers.

      • BerwynBomber

        Meanwhile, I’ll be five or six pints into the evening and looking at that rugged lass from Bridgeport at the other end of the bar who easily tips the scales at over two bills and knocks off a pack and a half ‘boro reds a day and all the while thinking I’ll be thinking to myself, “WTH, much like the winter, she’s a character-builder.” Barkeep, send her a drink.

        • MB30SD

          fuck that… i’m with butch. going to the beatch all weekend. oh, taking the kids fishun too.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Do you tell your kids to run over to hot chicks and go, “Mommy, mommy!” then run over and say, “Sorry, but his mom tragically burned in a sky jumping accident.”

            Then the hot chicks go, “aaaweee” and you say, “Yeah. So anyways, my name is Mike Brown…”

          • MB30SD

            yes.

          • CanadaBear

            No need for kids. Get a cute little dog. Works just as well.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    MB, that Lambo “Egoista” is some crazy ass shit. But it looks like a cockpit – I need another seat next to me so that for the hot chicks I’m trying to impress.

  • George Hernandez

    If trestman is as good as we think he is, then drafting a QB in this draft is essential, Trest can turn him into a stud and we can get a pick for him later.

    • NewBearInTown

      If Trestman is truly a stud, Jordan Palmer will do fine. But that’s obviously not true. McCown got a lot of help from Trestman and our recievers, but he also has some talent that Trestman could work with. I wouldn’t waste a pick if Trestman doesn’t see the same in a young mid-rounder.
      I think we need to draft one solid backup in the next 2-3 years. It could be this year – a good QB class for sure – or it could be in the future when the chips fall differently.
      One thing is for sure. Of the 7 or 8 guys drafted as potential starts, at least half of those teams will be back again next year for another attempt.

      • IBNO

        I dunno. In that preseason game, Palmer looked really good for having been on the team for all of 5 days. I think Trest can mold him.

        And if so, draft a QB next year. This year the defense needs all the help it can get.

    • Big Mike

      Solid plan, but next year. Too many needs on defense this year. Playing the game you suggest is a luxury. We’re almost there. My call is that you take that development QB next year. Hopefully flip him in a year or two to move up in the draft, or add a pick.

      I think in two years you start looking for the round 1 QB of the future.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Are you serious? SMH

    “Rodger Saffold returns to Rams after failing physical with Raiders”

    So they not only let Veldeer walk even though they have like $66M, but they now pretty much failed Saffold’s medical so they wouldn’t have to pay him more than what Veldeer got elsewhere?

    What in the world is OAK doing? This is Millen-level incompetency

    • NewBearInTown

      They can do what Buffalo did and overpay mediocre players. Or they can just not sign anybody.
      Nobody good is giving the Raiders a deal, that’s for sure.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Can the Raiders buy draft picks? That should be an option. How much would #14 go for? Maybe like $20M?

        • NewBearInTown

          I asked that maybe a year ago. Let teams trade draft picks for cap space.
          Theoretically it could be done now with a willing player. But it would screw with prorated signing bonuses if the team isn’t careful.
          A team like New Orleans could make a deal with Oakland. They send someone who’s getting a new contract anyway to Oakland for picks, Oakland gives the player the new contract and pays the signing bonus, and then trades the player back to New Orleans for the same picks plus extra. So say its Byrd.
          New Orleans signs him for a one year, $1M deal. Oakland trades a first round pick to New Orleans for him, then pays him a $20M signing bonus and then promptly trades him back to New Orleans for the first rounder they sent plus New Orleans’ second round pick. New Orleans then does the same deal they did now minus $20M of guarantees. Meanwhile Oakland can do the same thing with that $20M that any team does with dead money.
          Net result:
          – New Orleans saves $20M in cap space (not all this year mind you)
          – Oakland loses $20M in cap space (also not all this year) and gains a second round pick

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            I would prefer an auction style sell off of draft picks. That would be awesome. Must see tv.

          • NewBearInTown

            I love the auction format. And it naturally compensates for years where the top players aren’t necessarily as valuable as others (Eric Fisher v. Andrew Luck). Also could create a very natural basis for a rookie wage scale. And allows an easily tweeked system for compensatory picks, equal records, parity, etc.
            But it would be a nightmare to organize. The current system (unlike the NBA’s) is not broken enough to warrant such a major change.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Yeah, it’s not broken, but it would be interesting. Maybe the Texans aren’t in love with a QB or Clowney (or Robinson), but maybe ONE team is and is willing to fork out the cap chips. Like maybe the Vikes could give them $10M in cap and switch 1st rounders. All this would have to happen before FA, but that would give the NFL an extra event to make money off. Then push back FA closer to the draft.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      haha…this just keeps getting funnier. The Davis blood runs deep!

      NFL.com’s Mike Silver reports it was Raiders owner Mark Davis who nixed the Rodger Saffold deal.

      Davis apparently had concerns about the shoulder Saffold
      injured last preseason. Per Silver, Saffold “could have had surgery and
      been ready for training camp,” but Davis wouldn’t have it. It’s a
      troubling development for many reasons. It shows a lack of faith in GM
      Reggie McKenzie, and is an indication that, despite his protestations to
      the contrary, Davis has some of his father’s management style to him.
      Davis has left egg on his GM’s face, and his offensive line without a
      left tackle. It’s a sad state of affairs in Oakland.

  • BerwynBomber

    And yes, good news for us in regard to the Kittens. Golden Fucking Tate??? Ha! If there was one corps on Seattle that was sub-standard it was their receivers. I don’t care how well they played on a certain Sunday in Feb in NJ.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      if Tate can get 5yrs 31Mil then what in theee hell are Alshon and Brandon going to get?

      • BerwynBomber

        Good point. A little like GB offering the type of cash they did to Shields as a CB. But Shields, IMV, is a much better CB than Tate is a WR.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        You don’t want to know. Worry about that in March 2015.

        • NewBearInTown

          I suspect they’re looking at the deals similar to Mike Wallace’s $12M/yr, Percy Harvin’s $11M/yr or VJax’s $11.5M/yr. But with the cap going up they might want a premium on that.
          Hopefully neither is looking for Megatron money, but I think they’ll both treat that deal as a ceiling rather than a floor.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Hope so cuz if they’re looking for Fitz/Mega money…it’s been nice.

            The Cards had to let Bodlin go because Fitz received that mega-deal, if my memory serves me correctly.

          • Johnathan Wood

            they’ll both be $10M a year plus, assuming Alshon can back this season up.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            maybe we should run the ball more. Give it to Ford, pump up his stats. He’s cheap.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            lol, i want every single play to be a pass to Alshon, Brandon, Martellus, Forte and Bennett/Wilson. EVERY SINGLE PLAY. No matter if it’s 4yards or 40.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Exactly. We need to get this shit to the superbowl because we’ve got Cris Carter and Randy Moss here and that’s not going to last in today’s economic climate.

      • IBNO

        I’m just hoping BMarsh keeps understanding what a good thing he’s got going in Chicago, and gives a generous home-team discount.

        George’s vocal support of the green shoes is hopefully indicative of the mutual appreciation ownership and BMarsh have for each other.

        • Irish Sweetness

          BMarsh doesn’t do the negotiations.

      • George Hernandez

        That’s why the Bears are eating all the dead money from Bush/Pepp this year, next year we will have Oakland Raiders type cap room. That’s why its super critical Phil hit on at least 4 picks from this draft. If we dont have to pay a ton of free agents to come here like TB had to, then we can lock up our own guys (Marshall, Jeffrey) and still have enough flexibility to add if necessary. I would like to see them approach Brandon for an extension sooner rather than later, he has done everything we have asked him to do and it seems his antics are a thing of the past.

      • MrARodgers

        T-Bagged…

      • MrARodgers

        T-Bagged

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      I was actually worried the Kitties might nab Watkins or Evans in the first. Now they’ll most likely draft the top CB/S, unless they go TE.

      Please baby jebus, the greatest of all jebuses, let it be TE.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Speaking of which they let Pettigrew walk – do we like?

        • George Hernandez

          How much, for $1.5-2MM maybe, for $4MM+, NO!

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    Jeff, you’re joking right? We’re one of the only franchises ever that has actually had a quarterback worth a shit that still either wants to run him out of town despite a moderate level of success with little to no supporting cast until last year or thinks McCown is actually better. That’s fucking cray cray.

    Rooting against McCown? nope.

    • Irish Sweetness

      McCown is a better QB than Cutler, in almost every respect. He proved that last season.

      • Big Mike

        No he isn’t. Not even close. McCown is a journeyman at best.

        • ex-ed

          Bears host Tampa Bay this year, btw.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            that will be an awesome game. I’m looking forward to Cutty dropping back, pump fake, Alshon double move, 60yd bomb over Verner. Boom.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He got more out of the same players. He keeps the ball. So yes he is.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        and on that note i’m going to work.

      • IBNO

        I am far from a Cutler fanboy, but this is crazy talk.

        McCown had the best games of his pro career last year, and comparing THAT to Cutler (plagued by injuries) and saying McCown is “better… in almost every respect” as a result is like saying that 60-degree day in February means that winter is warmer than spring.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Examples?

          1. He’s more accurate.

          2. He protects the ball.

          3. He keeps drives alive.

          4. He protects the ball.

          5. He protects the ball.

          • MB30SD

            uhhhh… those aren’t examples, that’s a list of measurables.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dammit Spock, I’m a commenter not a dictionary !

          • MB30SD

            Come on maings?!? I don’t know what’s happened to you lately, but you gotta have some faith in the man with the well thought out master plan (I’m not talking about trac’s god). Let’s just wait and see how it all comes together without poo pooing every single step. Hmmmm?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Well, let’s see. [Albeit, the draft is yet to happen and hopefully Phil gets some starters there, and these signings are just filler.]

            Backup QB = Jordan Palmer (no rook that we draft in rd 4 is going to be usable this season). Is that a solid happy feeling when the inevitable happens, potentially in the first game a la Brian Urlacher?

            Analysis : Dunno. I have no idea about Jordan Palmer’s strengths/weaknesses. I know McCown doesn’t have many weaknesses, and we arguably get better if Cutler goes down and he’s your #2.

            Defense: An obvious problem – where run-stopping was added to our inability to rush the passer.

            Analysis ; Ryan Mundy? Whatever. We have Houston/Young who are run-stuffers. Right now, David Bass and Cornelius Washington are our pass-rushers currently on the roster.

            Positivity may blossom after the draft. But as I see it right now, we’ve got no pass rush or secondary. That’s pretty crucial stuff to be missing from a defense.

          • MB30SD

            tough to argue without using facts mate. If we just stay healthy, we’ve improved by a factor of 10 over last year.

            Houston, Young, Radliff, Collins, Paea, (I trust we’ll sign woot back), Rd 1 or 2 rook

            Briggs, DJW, Bostic/green/CD(?)

            Jennings, Bowman, Frey, Hayden, (Maybe peanut still?)

            Mundy, Jennings, Rd 1 or 2 FS

            and a bunch of other mid-level players once cuts/FA wind down/up.

            Bottom line is that if we just have normal injury levels, with our first 4 draft picks and maybe signing guys back like woot and nut, our D will easily be in the 15-20 mark, which is all we need this year.

            We can’t expect a 2006 level D maing… with our O we just need something that’s not a complete and total sieve. And we almost already have that over last year. You and trac need to go to reprogramming.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Woot’s going to cost … that’s why he’s not signed yet. I’m worried.

        • Irish Sweetness

          For argument’s sake … to the board … in what specific categories is Cutler better than McCown ? Backup your opinions. I’ve used … stats. What are your criteria?

          • MB30SD

            games started. games won. games played.

            Data, $, NB… please. finish this here and now once and for all.

            Irish, he did it for how many games? Give me the D ranking of the teams he beat please. Common dude, that’s like claiming your new drug cures cancer after trying it on your grandma and her 2 woman bingo club for 2 months.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The number of games wasn’t down to him, in fact it should have been more, and you can only play the teams in front of you.

  • BerwynBomber

    “Mark Sanchez won 4 road playoff games in his first two years in the NFL. His career went to shit when NYJ abandoned run game. He can play.”
    Sanchize was the anti-Peyton Manning: sucked in the regular season and then would elevate his game in the post-season. It was odd, uncanny and made no sense. IRRC, he even played well in their two AFC championship losses, especially the second one against Pitt — he damn near brought the Jets back in the second-half and, yes, again on the road in hostile conditions. But all that aside, I don’t know if I would want him. Even as a back-up. He seems like the classic case of shattered confidence. Still, a bizarre, memorable career even if it is over for him.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Sanchez is a terrible QB. He’s Romo-lite.

  • TheBigCheesy

    “Wonder if Phil Emery & Marc Trestman had 2 thoughts. (1) Trest can make a McCown out of 100 guys. (2) McCown gone lessens pressure on Cutty.”

    I’m inclined to agree with you. However, if they really feel that strongly about #1, then wtf are they doing paying cuntler 18 million per?

    • TheBigCheesy

      You could have have TJ Ward, Alterraun Verner, Linval Joseph with change leftover for $18 million

      • johnnywad

        And Seneca Wallace at QB. So what’s that get you? Nuttin.

        • TheBigCheesy

          It gets you a lot if trestman can “make a mccown” out of him, which is the premise we’re having this discussion around.

          • johnnywad

            A.). McCown is a journeyman backup that excelled in a QB friendly system with good to great receivers. Seneca Wallace doesn’t belong in the NFL. Nobody can make a McCown out of him. Not even for a three game stretch.

            B.). Trestman obviously believes he can get a LOT out of Cutler or he wouldn’t have been paid. Every team with a year in and year out chance at success pays their quarterback very well. We’ve already been
            through the “sserviceable” quarterback routine in Chicago. It doesn’t work. His name was Kyle Orton and he was back by one of the best defenses in the NFL. Couldn’t get it done.

            I understand the premise, which is the reason for my post. You can’t pay a defense like that and still pay a Quarterback and a quality backup quarterback. That’s why you get Seneca Wallace when your franchise goes down. McCown was a flash in the pan. And Lovie just fucked the Bucs by paying him stupid money. He’s trying to recreate the 05/06 Bears down in Tampa. It won’t work.

          • TheBigCheesy

            So then then he can’t “make a mccown” out of 100 guys..

          • johnnywad

            Agreed

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        Cheesy, you guys just lost MD Jennings. You are screwed.

        • MrARodgers

          Giving you are garbage – and you’re paying for it! – you Douchebag

    • IBNO

      Because “making a McCown out of 100 guys” is not the same as “making Cutler a top-tier QB.”

      McCown had his best days as a pro last year, and THAT was what prompted the “McCown is better than Cutler (who was injured, btw)” arguments. Cutler plays up to the potential he has in Trestman’s system, and no one will care about McCown.

      • Irish Sweetness

        “(if) Cutler plays up to the potential he has…..”

        You could say that about any player in the league. It’s the biggest “if” in sports. Cutty hasn’t learned to throw the ball away and take it to the next down thus far in his career. He’s 30. It’s doubtful he ever will. Then again, the penny didn’t drop for Elway for about ten years …

        • George Hernandez

          I really wish Jay would have played in that Cowboys game because (a) he always plays well against them, even when their defenses aren’t historically bad and (b) Jay would have had the same success that Josh had because that Cowboys defense was awful. Look, I will admit that Jay has his WTF moments, especially the red-zone INT’s, but he has more moments that make you go man that was an amazing throw. He has had no continuity on offense for the majority of his career and has played behind crappy O-Lines and a bunch of #4 receivers. Tell you what, if he doesn’t play at least 14 games and have a QB Rating of at least 90, I might start to turn on him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’d rather see fewer redzone WTF?s …. and I’m cool with a bunch of boring throws that march our offense up and down the field the way they did under McCown (who made some pretty nice throws of his own). Anyway, all moot points now.

        • SC Dave

          Exactly. Potential and performance are two different things.

  • MB30SD

    shady cheats at CODG.

    • johnnywad

      Whipped your ass, huh?

      • MB30SD

        yeah. a few games. I won one and the last one we were only 3 kills apart.

        But I swear, that game loves him. I can see him first and start shooting him before he sees me, then he walks right into my stream of my automatic fire from a fucking chaingun… and still kill me. SMFH

        That said, my one flaw is kind of a massive one… I suck at aiming.

        • johnnywad

          He’s the fucking “Rooster”

  • MB30SD

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Already seeing it and its sad but a lot of Bears fans will be rooting against Josh McCown – a great guy and story – in Tampa.”

    I haven’t seen or heard this once. I don’t think anyone is rooting against McCown. What possible reason would they have to?

    Now, rooting against lovie… I can believe something like that might happen… from some… people… out… there.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      It’ll be tricky to root for McCown while rooting against Lovie. I guess McCown could throw for 400 each game and make the PB, but their defense tanks and the team still loses. Wait a minute…

      • MB30SD

        easy, mccown won’t be there for long.

        • Trac

          Remember now, Defense still wins championships. Lovie has hit the ground running already and I hope we can plug the holes through the draft this year because so far, we ain’t looking any better on D yet. Trestman has to hit 3 home runs in his first 3 picks. That’s gonna be hard to do.

          • johnnywad

            We’re already better at DE. Williams is back. Mundy is a better safety than any we had last year. McClellin is no longer a starting DE. (Addition by subtraction). Ratliff and Collins (if healthy) at DT. That’s a REALLY good start two days into free agency Trac. How can you think we’re in better on D than in December?

          • Trac

            I get your point but we switched our talent. We saved some dough but it’s debateable on the skill upgrade. Lets hope it works out. We got Mundy from the Gmen. How good was thier defense last year?

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            I would love Peppers back at 7Mil a year. I would LOVE it. I think that since the Bears didn’t even ask him to take a pay cut that it’s truly over. I still feel that Julius was better than alot of the free agents out there though.

          • Trac

            + A bunch! This is why I love your posts Johnny. Please, please please.

          • MB30SD

            I don’t get you trac. You and I see very different things…. wheeeen looking at football.

            I saw a once-great chronically injured lovie guy who was either too hurt or too tired or didn’t give a shit any more. He’s had the foot issue for 3 years now and it keeps getting worse not better. If he plays again next year, maybe a scenery change revitalizes him, maybe he’s done. I do know that we need to go young and none lovie.

            As for the D not being better. Dude…. come on man! Seriously?! Conte gone, wright gone, new dline, linebackers healthy (for now), jenning and bowman back, maybe even peanut still. AND 3 eary picks at the first 3 rounds.

            Dude, phil’s about to get us a top 15-20 D, and it will be an almost all young squad. Buck up there camper and have a little…………

          • NewBearInTown

            Peppers is still a good player. $7M is too rich. $5M on a one year deal is not. But Peppers will want multi-year. He’s too old for a prove it deal.

          • MB30SD

            we’ll see NB. That foot has been getting worse and worse every year. I think we both know viscerally what happens to your body once you hit 30.

            (I won’t even talk about once you hit 40… it’s too hideous)

          • CanadaBear

            Wait til you hit 60.

          • MB30SD

            Sigh

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s Wooten’s cash right there.

          • Trac

            Did the Bears really ever get the other bookend they were looking for to compliment Peppers?

          • MB30SD

            in phil we trust maings. Let’s see how he does for the entire offseason including UDFA, draft, Fs…. still a looooooooottaaaaa greeeeeen between now and the season.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wooten! He’s the new Izzy!

          • MB30SD

            Houston and young. Both upgrades

          • Trac

            I was reading Phil’s mojo. Yes!!!!!!!!!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Why? Isn’t he clearly done? His effort isn’t there, whether or not that’s the Plantar … produce or begone. He was a great player … in Carolina. Then he got paid … bought champagne … and took the foot off the gas. Give me a trier.

          • MB30SD

            THIS!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ve seen us pick up roster bodies, no game-changers. There’s still the draft to come, and FA isn’t over, but if Lamar Houston is our biggest signing then we’re in trouble. Hopefully he’s on an upward curve, but his most sacks in a season is still 6. That’s a #2 end.

          • johnnywad

            I think you’ll be surprised by both Houston and Mundy.

        • Big Mike

          Why root against McCown? Makes no sense. Man was a class act that grabbed his opportunity and delivered. No drama.

          Also don’t understand the hate for Lovie. I’ve said it before, but he made football in Chicago relevant. Ended badly when expectations were not met. But he was a class act and his teams were teams you could always be proud of.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            Mike, i think people get pissed because we all knew what the final pieces of the puzzle were for true success and Lovie/Angelo simply refused to get those pieces. Unbelievable what kind of WR corps and O line we had for YEARS.

          • Big Mike

            The talent acquisition was awful. He played the hand he had.

    • Jokey

      People will root against McCown because it validates Trestman’s QB-whisperer rep.

      • MB30SD

        Those people are a holes jokey

        • CanadaBear

          You haven’t been paying attention to a certain faction of Bear fandom. Some of the dumbest, meat-headed fans on the planet.

          • MB30SD

            I only come here for that, and mostly every reg is a very smart savvy guy, even if we see different things on the field. The reason I’ve been here for 4 years… it’s you guys, not Jeff.

  • MB30SD
    • Shady

      You owe NBiT $5.

      • MB30SD

        shit, am I late?

        • MB30SD

          sorry NB, check’s in the mail

    • AlbertInTucson

      Revis for Talib, who shows symptoms of Mike Brown/Chris Chandler disease?

      That’s an easy one.

      Except for that $12m part.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Tate to the Lions. I do NOT care for that.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Jared Allen. Yeah, maybe a good compliment to Houston and don’t you think he wouldn’t mind trying to beat the Vikings’ brains out a couple of times?

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      i wouldn’t mind it but Emery put that to rest when he said that Allen was “on the Bears radar”. That is GM speak for “he is asking for a boat load of money and we’ll consider talking to him when he comes to his senses…and if he doesn’t I don’t really care”

    • Irish Sweetness

      Houston is not a top tier DE though … yet. He has more upside than Allen perhaps. Jared had more sacks in his first 1.5 seasons than Houston has had in 4. We have to bear in mind Allen is on the decline since 2011. He had 22 sacks and then produced half that in each of the last 2 seasons. We wouldn’t be hiring the 2011 Allen, we’d be hiring another aging Pep. Should we fork out the big bucks for another vet on the decline?

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Emery is Boss. He will get what he wants no matter what. I see him trading for a DE if he wants another one and the FA doesn’t give him satisfaction. He will NOT sign Jared Allen… it’s not the type of player that molds with the vision he has on D.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Denver win the FA spree hands down. Talib, Ware and Ward. Wow.

    • Trac
      • IBNO

        Wait, seriously? Lovie did well? He got a couple players. On defense. And a backup QB who might be good enough–in the right system–to start in the NFL. Meanwhile, he’s bailing on one of the best CBs in football.

        And fuck “good for him.” The guy ran the Chicago Bears offense into the ground. Fuck him.

        • Trac

          Shhhhh! For MB’s eyes only. Hee hee.

          • MB30SD

            Hahahaha… I saw the box propped up by a stick with the string leading around the corner held by a hairy guy with a huge cross around his neck… and I thought twice.

            Nice one trac.

            Oh yeah, and like IBNO said, fuck lovie for what he (didn’t) do to the chicago bears.

        • NewBearInTown

          He got one of the best DEs available (we got one of the others). He got the best QB available in a weak FA class. He got a solid system CB at a good rate.

          If Revis would have been a bad fit in Tampa, he would have left next year. He’s an awesome shutdown man coverage guy, but he can’t play zone. Lovie wants to play zone. So he saved $10M a year that he can spend on other players. Sure it would have been better if Revis had been traded, but the Bucs traded for Revis and everyone is laughing at them now.

        • Trac

          Hahaha.

    • Big Mike

      Elway is proving to be a very good GM. He has a huge number of contributors on rookie deals, very little dead money, and he’s able to go after 5-6 top FA. (including Manning from last year).

      I have to imagine in a few years they might be in cap hell and have to be gutted, but that’s the game.

      • NewBearInTown

        I think Elway knows that and is delaying the hit till the end of Manning’s career. If they have a season or two with a QB on a rookie contract, they’ll be able to clear the dead money without too much collateral damage.

        • Big Mike

          Absolutely agree. Makes sense.

  • Trac
  • gpldan

    I said a plane like the 777 doesn’t just vanish off radar unless it was blown from the sky.

    I was wrong. So I apologize for saying that.

    Something else is going on here. Boeing has transponders in the engines that report use and got a signal from them 4 hours AFTER the main transponder went off, and it vanished from radar. A Vietnamese oil rig worker reports having seen flame in the sky, but he could be chewing that coca weed.

    This has become an episode of Lost.I’m no longer sure this plane isn’t sitting on a secret runway somewhere.

    • IBNO

      I will wager all the money I have that the plane is not intact somewhere. It’s in pieces, in the water.

      I will lay odds that it’s a mechanical failure that caused it. Second possibility, pilot error (or intentional pilot suicide).

      There’s more to be said, but I can’t say it. Suffice it to say that this is only a “mystery” because the news decided to cast it as such. Most plane crashes over water are just like this–mysterious. Until we find wreckage.

      • gpldan

        Say it, man.

        Irish openly speculates that the Chinese mafia have a casino on the dark side of the moon that they use to launder money they extorted from Ted Kennedy, who is still alive in Bermuda with some hookers. What could you possibly know that is better than that?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Shssssssshhh !!

        • IBNO

          I’m not at liberty to discuss some things related to this stuff… one of the reasons I steer very clear of some of the politically-charged commentary here.

          Some people THINK that people MIGHT be reading what they type on internet discussion boards like this one. I know they are; I gave them permission.

          I’ve tap-danced around it enough; hopefully you understand.

          • MB30SD

            DEEEEEUUUUUUM!

            Are you running blackbriar!??! Who is this!!?!??! ARE YOU RUNNING BLACKBRIAR!!?!?!?

          • IBNO

            Nothing so dramatic, I assure you. Would you like to see some of my pictures from Syria?

          • gpldan

            Not really, no.

  • gpldan

    Darren, gotta keep the little woman on the chain, man. She will fuck up your career.

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/darren-sproles-wife-rips-saints/

    • NewBearInTown

      Eh, I agree with her. They should have called him.

      Plus, she ripped on the organization but thanked the fans. That’s good business.

  • NewBearInTown

    By the way. Don’t see SDPF, but you owe me 500 words.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Jared Allen…fuck him. Stupid red-neck and why the shit would we get another half speed Defender…we got rid of one when Urlacher said no. Fine by me. But really Jared Allen..no Jeff I can’t root for that numb-skull.

    Very happy with the Houston deal. I wish we could get a young bad ass center though…Garza does the job but barely…the center is your anchor and he ain’t. Move Garza back to guard and get me a hulk-like center…

    • Frank

      What happens when loyalty blocks logic, u end up being sorry, sorry man I don’t hate him and would love to see him in a Bears uniform, I am no die hard, but I love my Bears and any way to increase their chances of winning I say u do.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        It’s not about loyalty in regard to Jared, so he plays for the Queens, no big deal…My point is that over the last 2 years Allen hasn’t performed as well as in the past, I see the Shadow of Peppers, big name, great talent in the past but performance degenerates quickly. I’m not sure if Allen would make as big of a mark as you may think. I’d rather draft a young tough performer out of college than get Jared as he is now. If he get into a Bear uniform kudos for him, if he get a record number of sacks as a Bear awesome…I just don’t see that in him…anymore at least.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Oh and on a side note Fuck Lovie Smith to. If Tampa think they “found the answer” with that rock head they are gonna learn quick…real quick. Pathetic. Have fun playing cover 2 ya bums!

  • George Hernandez

    We got Willie Young!!!! 3yr/$9MM $4MM GTD. That folks, is a bargain!!

    • Trac
      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Pro Football Focus @PFF ยท 12m

        Willie Young has sacked the QB just 8 times in his career, but his 60 total pressures last year was just 4 fewer than CAR’s Charles Johnson

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          THIS. Dude is hungry and puts HITS on quarterbacks.

      • johnnywad

        He graded out better than anybody in a Bears uniform last year including Peppers. That’s your starting DE opposite Houston pending the draft. Nice pick up by Emery.

        • Frank

          well I guess our d is better than it was last year, I can’t be picky I’m not the GM so, I just would have tried for Allen or Clemons. seriously the Broncos are fucking assholes gee that’s just not fair.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Mate… CLEMONTS WHO’S 33 SIGNED A 4 YEAR CONTRACT WITH THE JAGUARS !!!! You would be the first one to throw Emery under the bus if he would spend market money for fucking soon to be retired Allen.

          • Frank

            OK I would have not signed Clemons then that’s too old, but Allen maybe a two year deal, Jags are idiots.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You can get 2 young DE with the money Allen wants… Young-Wooton for example.

        • Frank

          Johnny that’s not saying much.

          • johnnywad

            It is if you stop to consider that your current second best DE is better than the best one you had last year. Its also a big deal when you realize that Julius Peppers is going to collect more than TWICE as much money than Willie Young from the Bears for the the 2014 season. Think what you could do with the money that Pepp’s contract took off the table. You could have gotten Michael Bennet or Jairus Byrd with the dead money. That’s a big deal. Angelo
            is still haunting the Bears.

          • Frank

            Ya he was not very smart, I like Phil better like the Long pick up and Marshall, Bostic was a miss. Mills could develop, I heard some Lions fan say he wanted Peppers lol.

          • MB30SD

            dude, bostic was a rookie thrown into the mix last year. He’s not a luke K., but he’ll be fine in a year or two as a solid run guy IN THE MIDDLE

          • already giving up on bostic, eh? i guess it’s tough to root for a guy who doesn’t win rookie of the year or lined up out of place because there was no one on the defense to tell him what was going on.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Young receives $9 million in total with $3.95 million guaranteed to go along with a $2 million signing bonus.
      Last year, Young, 28, ,he appeared in all 16 games and totaled 47 tackles, three sacks and two forced fumbles

      Fantastic pick-up. Emery gets it done hen he sets his mind on a thing. Bearsss !!!

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Let’s fucking resign Wooton now for a 2 year-5 mil kind of contract.

        • George Hernandez

          Agreed.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Oh his agent is asking for 8M+ you know it ….

      • Frank

        haha that’s my Bears not signing the best player out their, wtf were they thinking Young over Allen huh, Seahawks get richer lol.

        • Bender McLugh

          Young is better against the run

          • George Hernandez

            He has pass rush skills though, he wore down in the second half of the year.

        • johnnywad

          How much do you think they can spend Frank? When you have the #2 offense in the league, its going to be difficult to go out and sign a bunch of $$$$$$ free agents. This ain’t fantasy football son

        • ROFL

        • Irish Sweetness

          Allen’s on the slippery slope, which is why the Vikes went day-day ….

    • Jokey

      The top google hit http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2014/03/detroit_lions_willie_young_pri.html
      compares him with Everson Griffen who got a lot more from the Vikings (5 yr, 42M, 20M guaranteed)

  • Frank

    Ready for the truth I think Allen will sign with the Seahawks, why because he does not like the Bears and he wants to win a title, so unless we pay him a lot of money then he probably won’t sign with us, sucks but it’s the true reality, I still like picking up Houston. and maybe Clemons if he can stay healthy.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Clemons got a 4 year contract with the jaguars. Allen is no good for the Bears. He has nothing to do with what Emery said he wanted to do.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Guess what, we don’t like him either …. so long, Cracker …

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Frank,
      Are you like Allen’s Cousin er something or in his hunting club? Enough talk about Allen, he’s a washout in 2 years tops…we need young strong peeps on the D that will last us more than that.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Young strong peeps !!

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      I don’t think he will take the kind of money seattle is offering.

  • George Hernandez

    1 yr deal for WR Domenik Hixon, there’s our KR.

  • George Hernandez

    Unless we sign a young DT, I think we’ll get 2 of them in the draft, similar to what we did with LB’s last year. Still want a DE in the draft too, Kareem Martin from UNC, come on Phil make it happen.

    • CanadaBear

      Hopefully PE is a better judge of DL men than LB’s.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Epic meal time take the biscuit. Who better to cook your Steak-egger sandwich … than Arnie …. on his M47 Patton ….

  • johnnywad

    I heart Phil Emery.

    • Bender McLugh

      He’s like seldom blue, gives me tickets all over

      • IBNO

        Dude, you should use the anti-lice shampoo if you’re feeling the tingles “all over.”

        • MB30SD

          your kids got it huh? Been hearing all my buddies complain about it.

          Man, I’m not looking forward to my kids going to school this year. I mean I am, but not.

          • IBNO

            No, luckily my kids haven’t been bitten by that bug (knock on wood). The past week they’ve had the barfs, though, and that’s been pretty nasty.

            But my buddy whose whole family got hit by lice and re-infested several times… yikes, I think I’d rather have the barfs for a month.

          • MB30SD

            yeah, one of my good buddies says the kids are just passing it around and around and around. Sucks.

          • IBNO

            better lice than warts, though

          • MB30SD

            really? You just freeze warts off and be done with it right?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Me too man. Especially over here – the social engineering begins. And they have to start school at 3 here. Way too young. They hit 5 …. “Can I have a phone?”

          • MB30SD

            wow, young. All depends on the kid too

  • Irish Sweetness

    We signed THIS guy?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000333755/article/willie-young-chicago-bears-strike-threeyear-deal

    A penalty-merchant and 3rd down drive-killer by all accounts. Where’s Woot-woot ?

    • MB30SD

      Dude, what fucking article did YOU read… not the one you posted obviously.

      Irish, my maings… be positive. We now have two serious upgrades at de… young des

      • Irish Sweetness

        Watch the video. That’s a dumbass. Read the comments below the piece from Lions fans. That’s why they let him walk.

        And they’re only upgrades as long as Wooten is there .. which he’s not. And Peanut was in Tampa last night….. now we’re going to need a corner too. Where does he get drafted? We have lots of maybes at LB. Nah, we’re two years away from a defense IMHO.

        Lamarr Houston wants to play like Butkus? Red flags gonna be flyin’ next season …

        http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/12/lamarr-houston-plans-to-play-the-dick-butkus-way-in-chicago/

        • IBNO

          Flags in the NFL are yellow. I don’t even think they’re going to use the pink ones again this year, given the problems they had with ’em last year.

          Only coaches’ challenges are red.

          I’m just bein’ picky.

        • MB30SD

          Dude, you’re listening to LIONS FANS!?!?!?!?!

          • Irish Sweetness

            They know more about Willie than I do!

          • MB30SD

            lions. fans.

            I posted an article for you from a… jur-no-list up top. He uses stat-tist-tics. Check it out.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Well, there’s Stevie Smith on the street looking for a kiss ….

    • NewBearInTown

      Same comment as Bolden last year. Solid player, probably still has fuel left in the tank, but where do we play him?

      The kind of money he’ll command, you need him in on every down. And we’ve got our top two WRs entrenched.

      If he wants to be a slot guy, and get paid small money (like $2-3M) to be on a winner, he could replace Earl Bennett. But do you really see him signing for that kind of money?

      • Irish Sweetness

        I was thinking slot … but he probably wants to be the highest paid player ever and King of the world.

  • Jokey

    Jeff, the site rocks with Disqus. Good choice.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Jokey! What up!

  • George Hernandez

    Not to toot my own horn, but I had been calling for Willie Young as a cheap option for weeks, just wish we had got Linval Joseph instead of the Queens.

    Oh and toot toot!

    • IBNO

      Go toot your own horn behind closed doors. I don’t want to see that on a family-friendly blog!

      • George Hernandez

        Haha, what can I say, I’m an exhibitionist…

      • MB30SD
        • IBNO

          shhh… I’m trying to delude myself!

        • Irish Sweetness

          She looks like Lindsay Lohan without all the years of fags and late nights !

          In other news, LL had sex with Heath Ledger, Colin Farrell, Justin Timberlake and James Franco amongst many, many, many others. They’ll hit anything. Ginge minge and freckles. Ew.

      • Irish Sweetness

        “Champagne of victory…”

        Masturbation is men’s lib. Freedom from doing shit you don’t want to be doing just to get sex.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      “He ranked as our No. 8 free-agent defensive lineman after outplaying first-round pick Ziggy Ansah for parts of 2013.
      His 48 quarterback hurries ranked behind only Brian Robison and Robert Quinn.”

      Good call. He’s only 28 too

      • MB30SD

        oooohhhh iiiiiriiiiiiish

        • Irish Sweetness

          Not on the ass-side of his career like Allen, he’s got that.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Hold the front page. We signed a 250lb DE that isn’t a pass rusher, in Willie Young? Houston’s a run-stuffer too. Where’s the pass-rush? Where’s Wooten?

    • George Hernandez

      Just because his strength is run D, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know how to rush the passer. He did well in that area last year, but faded a little down the stretch. Still want Woot though.

    • NewBearInTown

      I’ve been thinking about this a bit. We’re signing run-stopper DEs and haven’t brought in anyone to play 3-tech. There are three possibilities.

      1) Emery thinks these guys can rush the passer just fine and play 3 tech (which is highly probable).
      2) Emery is waiting for the pass rusher market to calm down a bit and will then try to get Melton, Allen or whoever.
      3) Emery is looking to play a traditional 3-4 where the D-linemen primarily stop the run. He still likes Shea to rush the passer together with Bostic and whoever he can get in the draft.

      • IBNO

        Yeah, more and more I’m seeing the personnel put in place for a conversion to a traditional 3-4, with the flexibility to play hybrid fronts–instead of what people were thinking (a 4-3/hybrid)–sooner, rather than later.

        • gpldan

          Well then, Hageman would make a great NT.

      • Irish Sweetness

        3) It LOOKS like that, doesn’t it ?

        Then maybe a guy like Paea plays end, and our increasing list of LBs is explained. Maybe they’ve said they’re not moving to 3-4 .. because they are. But I doubt it, Tucker wouldn’t be the guy for a 3-4 – he’d be gone. There were quality 3-4 guys looking for promotion to DC and we passed on all of them.

    • Johnathan Wood

      these guys didn’t put up huge sack #s but their advanced pass rush stats (hits, hurries, pressures) were both good but not great.

      They’re both above-average pass rushers. Same goes for Collins and Ratliff at DT. They’re gonna be rotating guys a bunch to keep them fresher, IMO, and still need a top dog rusher. IMO they’re looking to the draft there (Aaron Donald).

      Also don’t forget a lot of pass-rushing downs will feature 3-3-5 nickel, where 1 of those 3 linebackers is a pass rusher (aka McClellin). They’re not done with McClellin for one more year (assuming he continues to be terrible this year).

      • NewBearInTown

        Agree with all of this, but have to wonder what our base nickel package will look like. Shea at Sam suggests a 3-3-5. Bostic or Greene at Sam suggests we go with a 4-2-5, and then we’re back to wondering who the pass rush specialist is.

        But since Shea played DE last year, it might not make much of a practical difference.

        • gpldan

          It’s a 4-2-5 with Chicken Dinner one of the front four.

          Yes, I think perhaps the LB thing is a smoke screen and they want the kid’s hand on the ground, still.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I haven’t seen their hurries/hits #s, in fairness ….

        Don’t you think Donald would get dominated being so small? Bigger stronger faster guys will be lining up against his diminutive 280bs ….

        • Johnathan Wood

          He’s 285 but very strong. That will work for a pass-rushing 3-technique. Remember, their main goal is to cut the gap between G/C or G/T.

          In a hybrid front he could line up at DE, not nose. Ratliff or Paea would be the nose.

  • MB30SD

    trac, how do you feel about your god being weilded as a weapon of vengance… because a multi-millionaire NFL football player is getting traded instead of being cut?

    http://fansided.com/2014/03/13/darren-sproles-wife-rips-saints-instagram-photo/#!zza5p

    Nice.

    • NewBearInTown

      Wow, you’re racking up penalties faster than a 2012 Bears lineman. Now you owe Dan $50 too.

      • MB30SD

        Hahahahaha… I couldn’t help that one. Some of these people just don’t get it. If you believe in god/yaweh/etc… you’re not supposed to use him as your own personal smiter (sp?).

        Ridiculous. And that woman is obviously a moron.

      • gpldan

        He’s offside more than Gabe Carimi on 3rd and 1.

        • MB30SD

          that’s taking it too far. At least you didn’t use garza.

          Get online maings.

    • Trac

      And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
      Mathew 7:23

      Next!

      • MB30SD

        damn it. All I have is Hos 24:7

        She’s a blasphemer right? Using god’s name in vain… right?

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          They’re all blasphemers, god damn it.

          • MB30SD

            ** GASP **

            Did we ever solidify our bet about CD? What are the parameters? You have a dress that will fit you?

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            OK. I say he’s a starter by the end of the year, and won’t be considered a bust after the 2014 campaign (we can have the regs weigh in on whether he’s a bust or not).

            Dress? No. I’m trying to lose weight for to fit into this niffty piece I have my eye on.

            Hmmm. We’ll have to think of a wager. Loser has to grow out a stache like Rodgers? We’ll think of something.

          • MB30SD

            common, problem with that is phil might start him even if he’s not worthy… kinda been doing that for 2 years already. Has to be based on REAL numbers/performance validated against other guys in the league playing the same position. None of this, “well, phil/trest let him start to save face… even though he still sucks” stuff.

            Ranking for his position. He has to be in the top 3rd of his class by ranking of TWO stat sites (an average of the two is fine). Otherwise, he’s just a filler because 1) he was phil’s first draft pick ever and he’ll do anything to stop him from busting, and 2) we didn’t get anyone better this offseason.

            We can add to the mix that he needs to be the starter next year too, despite off season moves at his spot.

            Problem is that’s a year away!! Of course, if dude doesn’t even make it to starter and only plays less than 50% of snaps this year, we kind of have our answer right there and we can enact the punishment mid-season.

            And grow a fucking mustache!?!? Wow, you damn well don’t feel very good about this bet do you? I can grow one of those in a couple weeks dude. I’m half russian and half hungarian.

            I like the dress wager because even if I lose and I have to wear it to a bar on game day, I’ll get tons of hot chick’s attention all day. Chicks dig a dude who can do something fucked up like ware a dress to a bar on gameday and not give a shit.

            I propose this: http://img.loveitsomuch.com/uploads/201209/15/gr/green%20bay%20packers%20game%20day%20dress%20-%20sexy%20womens%20sports%20apparel%20-%20design%20by%20tammy%20jo-f64691.jpg

            (ps. don’t be a pussy)

            (PPs. I hope your balls don’t hang out of that dress…. yes, a gstring comes standard with the outfit: http://img0.etsystatic.com/042/0/5676401/il_570xN.510681690_tgqk.jpg)

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            A. That link says “access denied”
            B. Top third in his class at position might be hard to determine if he switches from LB to DE. What would we go by?

            We’d have to look for a similar type player, like Bruce Irvin perhaps?

          • johnnywad

            He’s a bust.

            Wait…….. does it count yet?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Do you have like an iPhone app for that, Trac?

        • Trac

          e-sword

        • Trac

          I know the verses but have to look up the locations a lot. Been reading, studying and applying for 10 years now. I’m still amazed that there is almost no subject not addressed in the Bible. Hadn’t found an error yet.

          • MB30SD

            impressive. I can give you a few porn website URLs by memory.

  • gpldan

    Ok, I am gonna buy the last one left in stock and hope to triple my $15 investment in one year when he leads us to a playoff win.

    Have I mentioned I am a financial genius?

    http://www.amazon.com/SPX-Autograph-Cincinnati-Bengals-Football/dp/B003KQBP6O

    • Trac

      Better check with Hilary! She’ll steer ya right. You Betcha!

      • gpldan

        Clinton?

        • Trac

          Turned a few grand into a cool 1/4 mil. Sumpin like that.

  • Trac

    Jeff’s working on his masterpiece as we speak, ahem….as we type. Hurry up Jeff!

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/24966190/chicago-bears-bushrod-selfie-gives-ellen-a-run-for-her-money
    Booze Cruise! look at the little dude in the top right with the Bud light lime!

    • MB30SD

      who is that?

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        probably some little DB

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          lol, nope that’s not a DB. That’s a weed smoking, friend of someone that already lives in south florida. That hair is fucking ghetto rasta.

          • MB30SD

            Hahahaha… I thought it was lil wayne at first.

  • gpldan

    Well, the one thing we can say about Teddy –

    He’s not as stupid as Woody Johnson. Revis is going own the Jets now.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-revis-sought-return-jets-rex-wanted-back-article-1.1720586

  • gpldan

    So Phil is shaping up for a 3-4 and possibly picking Donald or Hageman. How about this guy as a NT?

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10602481/vince-wilfork-asks-new-england-patriots-release

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      I love Wilfork and his age doesn’t bother me at all. His Achilles injury does. A 325lb man can’t recover from an Achilles. It’s physics.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We’ve got Ratliff plus a 1st/2nd rounder coming ….

      • George Hernandez

        Dan McClullers from Tennessee, look him up, can be had a little later in the draft, MASSIVE human being…

        • johnnywad

          Sounds too much like Shea McClellan. Bust.

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    Willie Young puts shots on fucking cracker ass quarterbacks. That’s what I want. Pep used to do that. Young and Houston so far are dudes that drive people into the ground. young and hungry.

  • MB30SD
    • Irish Sweetness

      Oh fuck me, Wooten just had hip-surgery. I did not know that. Oh. Whoa. Hold the horses there …. umm … bye Woot. Fack.

      And with their first pick, the Chicago Bears take … a defensive end. Safety Pryor in Rd 2 …. some prize pick at DT in rd 3. Surely there has got to be a studly DE there at #14?

      • MB30SD

        Yeah, I was going to point that part out to you, but thought I’d let the surprise be all yours.

        Nooooo Iriiiiiish. We just bought two young hungry DE bookends. Maybe we sign woot later for cheap IF the hip passes the docs.

        So, we go either Donald (if he’s there @ 14) or maybe hageman. MAYBE Dix if he’s still there and then a DT in Rd 2. Pryor is going top 20-25 max maing. He ain’t making it into the 2nd round. He’s the #2 safety in the entire draft and plenty of teams need a new franchise safety.

        I have a sneaking gut feel based on phil’s words and moves so far that he might surprise us and take Dix if he’s there at our pick. We’ll see (yes, I would be fucking ecstatic and will jump around and scream for a few minutes)

      • George Hernandez

        Woot on a 1 year incentive laden deal is not a bad look. No sure things there at 14 as far as DE’s, Maybe 2nd Round, Kareem Martin, DE, UNC is an interesting name-long arms, size/speed combo, production in college. Pryor will be gone by our 2nd round pick and Dan McClullers is an interesting DT prospect outta Tennessee.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        Irish, you’ve been lamenting our lack of pass rush. Emery goes out and gets 2 guys that hit the quarterback with regularity and are in their 20’s and cheap and then ask where Woot is not realizing that he just had hip surgery? you then admit that you don’t even know the hits/hurries numbers for the guys they bring in? talk about shooting first and asking questions at some distant point in the future.

  • DOMENIK HIXON WAS BORN IN GERMANY. HE CAN NEVER BE PRESIDENT.

    Way to go, Phil.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Wow, it tells u now that one other person is typing .. a la skype …

    • Irish Sweetness

      Ironically, Germans have been running your shadow government since …..

      {IRISH ! NO !}

      Sorry …

      • MB30SD

        it’s alveys ze geermahns

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  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    You want to know a weird fact.

    Both Houston and “Hard Count Willie” Young are known for being off-sides way too much.

    Shit, it was even in Houston’s scouting profile. Wooten actually had a knack for anticpating the count. And T. Harris seemed to be psychic. That’s an under-rated talent that rarely gets spoken about. It has a lot to do with film study (seeing the tendencies of individual QBs, Olinemen tells, etc) as much as instinct.

    Hopefully, our coaches can teach them some discipline and point them in the right direction cause the last thing our D needs is to try to stop teams on 1st and 5.

    • MB30SD

      {IRISH ! NO !}

    • George Hernandez

      They came from undisciplined teams though OAK and DET. Maybe they were coached to be aggressive on snap counts because the risk>reward like SEA coaches their DB’s to interfere. Perhaps our new DL coach can work with them to fix these things or tell them that this isnt our philosophy.

    • johnnywad

      Remember the Chargers game when Harris actually disrupted the Center/QB exchange and ended up with the ball? He timed the count and beat the snap. Dude was amazing before the injury to his leg. Lost Brownie and Harris in the same game. Cost the Bears a Super Bowl. Dammit. Ramble Ramble Ramble.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Are there 2 less disciplined units in the NFL than the Raiders and Lions DL ? Fuck NFL…all amerIcan football…fuck american football… ALL SPORTS !!! But I get your point… these guys have talent, but also must put in big time work. I hope our DC can provide leadership. I have my doubts.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Also, Emery stays away from anyone with an injury history like the plague, unless they’re dirt cheap like D.J. Williams (or some safety in the draft). That might not bode well for either Melton or Woot, though I hope Emery signs Woot.

    Pepp might still be in the picture too. Ya never know.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    What was that? You want to watch a Russian doc on how the Germans and Aliens have a secret base in Antarctica? Done.

    http://youtu.be/MwUpPwyyvLw

    I don’t know why, but when Russians talk about shit like this, it somehow seems more credible. Perhaps because their spy network was bad ass, and they could give a fuck about how top secret info makes the U.S. look bad. Dodgy fucking Russians.

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