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Audibles From the Long Snapper: Statistics, Coaches by Campbell & the Shitty Fake Spike

| October 15th, 2014

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STATISTICAL CHECK-IN

  • When is the last time the Bears, six games through a season, had someone in the top ten in the league in passing yards (Cutler-4th), rushing yards (Forte-7th), catches (Forte-1st), receiving yards (Jeffery-T6th), sacks (Willie-1st) and interceptions (Fuller-T1st)? This season may be laden with individual errors but it also has been defined by exceptional individual performances to this point.
  • Have you looked at Jay Cutler’s numbers these days? He’s completing 68.1% of his passes for 1,676 yards, 13 touchdowns and 6 interceptions. Two of the three quarterbacks ahead of him in yardage have thrown more interceptions and all three have been sacked AT LEAST five times less.
  • Through six games the Bears are tenth in the league against the run. Last year they ranked 431st.

CAMPBELL ON THE COACHES

Rich Campbell in the Tribune details the work that went into preparing the Bears fifth, sixth and seventh linebackers for action against the Atlanta Falcons:

“It was simply just hard work and their preparation,” Trestman said. “I know there was a lot of extra time spent, Reggie with the linebackers, up through Saturday and into Sunday to get them ready. Their meetings went very well, just talking to Reggie (about) the times that they were in together at different times that were unrelated to the team being together. But just overall very, very good cooperation with everybody to get it done, and the guys who weren’t playing were certainly helpful as well.”

Trestman specified that Herring and the fill-in linebackers spent extra time meeting at the team hotel over the weekend, but of course the preparation extends back to the offseason program, training camp, etc. And even beyond that, the Bears’ personnel department deserves credit for identifying players such as Jones and Sharpton, who possess the mental and physical capability to contribute.

No question the coaches deserves a lot of credit. But Darryl Sharpton also deserves to continue seeing the field. No linebacker on the Bears has looked as explosive as Sharpton did Sunday.

THE RODGERS FAKE SNAP FROM PETER KING

Here is the segment on the Rodgers play from MMQB:

You are there.

“On the line! On the line! Clock! Clock! Clock!”

Aaron Rodgers throttled his hand in a pass-spiking motion one, two, three times, looking over the Miami defense as the seconds ticked away in the final minute in Miami.

:18 …
:17 …
:16 …

“I was looking at Davante Adams,’’ he said from the Packers’ bus, on the way to the Fort Lauderdale airport late Sunday afternoon, “but he wasn’t looking at me. In a situation like that, you want to make eye-contact so he knows something might be coming. But not this time. He didn’t know what I was going to do.”

Ball at the Dolphins’ 16. Second-and-six. Miami up 24-20. No timeouts left for Green Bay. Randall Cobb split left. Jordy Nelson in the right slot. Adams wide right, just outside the numbers.

Adams, the rookie from Fresno State, had never been on the field with Rodgers in this situation. “But I’ve been trying to get him more involved in the offense,’’ Rodgers said. “He’s good—going to be good. I told him before the game I was going to get it to him on the first play of the game today. ‘If I see you open, it’s coming.’ I got it to him [for a five-yard gain on the first play of the day].’’

:15 …

“I saw the corner on that side [Cortland Finnegan], at the last second, back off to about 12 yards off Davante. And I’m thinking there, ‘They’re giving us free yards.’ ” Actually, Finnegan was about eight yards off to start, then walked back to make it about 11. The cushion was just too tempting. But Rodgers knew if he threw to Adams, and Adams didn’t get out of bounds, the game’s over. Did Adams know? You’d think he would, but a rookie?

:14 …
:13 …

The snap. Nelson was locked in place, thinking spike. The Dolphins played dead too. Rodgers got small, like he was throwing the ball into the ground.

:12 …
:11 …

While moving back and to his right, Rodgers looked at Adams, who, a bit startled, saw Rodgers looking at him and ran two steps off the line. The ball was on him immediately at the Miami 14. Finnegan, also stunned, ran ahead to stop Adams.

“How about that!’’ John Lynch, the FOX announcer, says on TV. “In the home of Dan Marino, he pulls the Marino!” Dan Marino once fake-spiked and threw a touchdown pass to Mark Ingram (the dad, not the son) to beat the New York Jets.

:10 …

Adams and Finnegan met at about the 11, and Adams, smartly, was already making tracks for the sideline. But all Finnegan had to do was tackle Adams in-bounds. He could have walled him from the sideline and forced him to stay in. But no. The veteran failed to make a veteran move.

:09 …
:08 …
:07 …

Adams was in Finnegan’s grasp as they wrestled near the sideline. He got to the four-yard line before being shoved out.

:06.

The play started with Rodgers wanting to get a few free yards. He got 12. And a chance for potentially two throws into the end zone to try to win the game. “Andrew Quarless was telling me during the game that when he was matched up with 53, Jelani Jenkins, he thought he could win. He said, ‘I don’t think that guy can cover me outside,’ ” Rodgers said. Thing was, now it was a different linebacker, Philip Wheeler, on Quarless. Rodgers went there anyway. With Quarless split wide right and running a quick out just past the goal line, Wheeler slipped and Quarless didn’t. The ball was right in his hands. Perfect. Touchdown. Packers win.

“The only way to build trust with your receivers,’’ Rodgers said, “is to trust them to make plays. Work with them, practice with them, show them if they work hard you’re going to them. I told Davante, ‘I’m really proud of you.’ ”

What receiver wouldn’t want to play with Aaron Rodgers?

Here’s a fact: THE PLAY WAS IDIOTIC. There is no way the reward of that play (yardage) is worth the risk (game over). If Cortland Finnegan doesn’t absolutely blow the play – as mentioned above – Rodgers would be absolutely crucified by the national media on Sunday night and Monday morning. Finnegan has one task: don’t let Adams get out of bounds. And not only did he let Adams out of bounds but he seemed to escort him to the sideline. But now it being dressed up as another example of Rodgers’ genius and the beautiful relationship he holds with his receivers. (They don’t seem to share this once they leave Green Bay, by the way.)

Rodgers is an immensely talented quarterback. He’s arguably the most talented quarterback in the sport. But if you don’t see that his career has been more than touched by luck, you’re choosing not to see it.

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  • EnderWiggin

    Not many things bring a smile to the face like an anti-Rodgers piece.

  • TheBigCheesy

    If you watch the play, there is no way Cortland Finnegan can tackle Adams in bounds without Adams totally fucking up. And Rodgers wouldn’t have thrown it to him if he didn’t have the cushion. Watch it, Davante Adams heads to the sideline and then pushes upfield. Just because Peter King wrote that Cortland Finnegan could have tackled him in bounds doesn’t make it true. Peter King is a fucking bellend.

    “But if you don’t see that his career has been more than touched by luck, you’re choosing not to see it”

    This is hilarious. Seriously. Look, don’t worry about the spike play. It was overdone by the media (because it was in Marino’s house). But if you want to understand what Rodgers did on Sunday, just watch these highlights and pay attention to two plays:

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014101204/2014/REG6/packers@dolphins#menu=gamepass%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000409642&tab=recap

    The first one you need to watch is the second TD on 3rd and goal with the game tied at 10. The juke to buy himself time to roll out of the pocket is impressive. The throw is fucking insane. Then look at the 4th and 10 throw to Jordy Nelson on the final drive where he gets fucking plastered before he makes the throw. FOURTH AND TEN. This is after he got eaten alive all game by Wake and Vernon.

    Okay, one more throw for you to take a look at. Maybe you remember it?

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014092801/2014/REG4/packers@bears?icampaign=GC_schedule_rr#menu=gamepass%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000402599&tab=recap

    Watch that play again. Seriously, watch that play again. Sure it didn’t count, but have you even seen anything like that before? I sincerely would love to see a highlight of something more impressive from a QB.

    Aaron Rodgers is a freak show. Statistically, I mean where do you start? The guy has 203 TDs and 53 INTs. He’s thrown one pick 6 in his entire career. ONE. He has the highest career passer rating of all time. By a landslide. His career YPA is 8.1. That’s better than anyone since the 1960s.

    Do you seriously think he’s lucky (relative to other great QBs????

    • beninnorcal

      Who cares? See you D-bags in a couple of weeks, but this time with a pass-rush. Gonna paint Lambo Field with Rodgers poo.

      • TheBigCheesy

        By “Lambo” Field do you mean Lambo’s Field? Like this place? https://www.facebook.com/DoubleNickelSmokehouse

        • TheBigCheesy

          Or is it the grass underneath Briggsy’s Lambo that you’re referring to?http://i14.tinypic.com/6galhfl.jpg

          • beninnorcal

            Again, who cares? Lambo or Lambo’s, I don’t give a good goddamn. People say Soldier’s Field all the time too, I don’t fuck that one up.

          • beninnorcal

            Lambeau, there, I don’t speak fucking French, Cheesy. Thought this was America.

          • Scharfinator

            Murica

    • MB30SD

      Switch already

      • AlbertInTucson

        Please stop feeding this troll.

        • MB30SD

          he’s not going away Al. We’ve tried ignoring him for 3 years now. He just hasn’t come out of the closet yet.

          • TheBigCheesy

            It’s been over 4 years

          • MB30SD

            jesus, just switch over already dude. seriously. smfh.

    • NewBearInTown

      I’ve watched it several times. Finnegan didn’t trust his safety help. He definitely had the space to force Adams in bounds, but instead he basically does this goalie stance to prevent a fast break past him. On an island, that’s not a bad way to defend the touchdown. But when you know there’s a safety in the middle of the field, you should not be uncomfortable to make a play on the sideline.
      Either Finnegan made a rookie mistake (not good for a vet). Or Finnegan had so much presence of mind that he was worried the fake spike had juked his teammates even after the pass.
      That’s not a good thing. If you can’t trust your teammates, you get beat by stuff like this all the time.

      • Scharfinator

        They always say to “do your job” right? Seems like he wanted to do the safety’s as well.

    • johnnywad

      He’s great. And he’s lucky. Why is that mutually exclusive in your world? None of it really matters this year. Regardless of what the Bears end up being or doing this year, the Packers are not equipped to win playoff games. So who gives a shit how great or lucky Rodgers is? Sooner or later, its all gonna end like last year.

    • Trac

      R…E…L…A…X….

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      While I disagree with Cheesy’s very presence here, he is right on this one. Aaron Rodgers is way more good than lucky. I hate him even more than I hated Favre, but there’s no denying his greatness.

  • MB30SD

    Fuck Erin vadgers. Bitch.

  • Trac

    Jeff, It has been said that it’s better to be lucky than good. Rogers is both of these, that’s what makes him a great NFL QB. Cough! The bottom line is we got slaughtered in week 4 and the game is won on the field.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    “Through six games the Bears are tenth in the league against the run. Last year they ranked 431st.”

    I knew it was bad last year but i thought we were in at least the top 400

    • IBNO

      They were just behind the Puxatawney Groundhogs of the Pennsylvania High School League, and just ahead of the Millford Rolling Thunder of the American Professional Wheelchair Football League.

      • MB30SD

        Tough team. Those guys never take a loss sitting down.

        Thank you, thank you. I’ll be here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waitresses.

  • Trac

    Hey I’ve got a great idee, let’s go to Dillard’s and steal some cologne.

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/11699736/dallas-cowboys-rb-joseph-randle-arrested-shoplifting

    • MB30SD

      2 threads old. That should probably be another lb added to the order. Sigh.

      • Trac

        Are you saying I’m not adding value?

        • MB30SD

          you ALWAYS add value… even when you’re in potshot/shitstir mode.

          semicolon……. end parenthesis.

        • BillW

          I DO have a legacy on this board. Then again, Jerry Angelo has a legacy on the Bears.

  • johnnywad

    The Packers are a three game losing streak away from a complete Rodgers meltdown. I want to see that sniveling fuck play when the Packers are eliminated from contention. Sooner or later, they’re going to lose a couple that come off like the Jets or Dolphins game this year instead of winning them. Its coming.

    • Big Mike

      We need to deliver the blow

  • BerwynBomber

    Of the guys generally considered the Big Four of this generation (Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees) I would argue Brady has been the luckiest. For one, he has played with the best coach. Two, at least one of his SB wins (his first) was on a defense-first team, plus Bledsoe filled in for him and won a couple of crucial road playoff games that same year. Anyway, sour grapes aside, talent and skill make their own luck and the latter is part of the equation for all teams and players. What is more relevant to any Rodgers discussion is that he can carry the Cheese only so far. They’re still a flawed team defensively and can be gashed by the run, which is not a prescription for post-season success even if they were to get there. Plus, Lacy suddenly looks fat and slow after only a year in the league.

    • CanadaBear

      Lacy is hardly a great RB. He had good stats last year because his team happens to have one of the best passing games in the league (and the best QB).

  • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

    a little side note here: is anyone else fucking disgusted that we simply allowed Ebola to our shores and the country will never be the same? The administration failed to act and it will change the course of American history. Once this starts rolling it will change everything.
    Incompetence at its highest level.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, I don’t know why we are not suspending all commercial flights from the W. African countries most affected and making potential passengers with passports stamped with the same countries wait for a thirty day health clearance to travel. Seems like no-brainer and that we are inviting risk where we could be mitigating it.

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        Oh, we invited the risk, dared it to thrive and now the seeds of an avoidable calamity have been sown. A second hospital worker from the same Texas area is now infected. All because our presidential administration didn’t have the skill, foresight or courage to make a tough choice and suspend all flights while this thing gets sorted out.

        Instead we let people come and go as they please and this is the result. Imagine the hushed, private meetings and conversations that are going on right now at the highest levels.

        • BerwynBomber

          What got me was the dead dude’s survivors bitching about the treatment he received here. That dude knowingly put hundreds of people at risk. Some brass to then bitch about his treatment.

          • IBNO

            That dude knowingly helped out a neighbor in need, then got sick. What was he supposed to do when he got sick–stay home and die?

            Fuck you. Fuck your racist shit. He “knowingly” went to the hospital in one of the most medically-advanced countries in the world, hoping that he would get treatment. They sent him home, and fucked up during his treatment to the point where they allowed their workers to be exposed. Damn right his family has concerns; previous patients were given the best care possible; this guy was sent home. The difference between him and previous patients? Skin color. His family has a right to ask questions and raise concerns.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            racist??? No where did anyone bring up race. I think you are jumping the gun a little. From what i have seen/read on this it was incompetence/misdiagnosis at the Dallas hospital to begin with, something that happens at every hospital. Race has not a damn thing to do with it. And i believe you owe an apology for making such a ignorant accusation.

          • IBNO

            Yes, race. Duncan’s family brought it up, wondering why previous (white) patients were transferred to the best facilities to treat Ebola, and given the cutting-edge treatments, while he was sent home the first time, and never given the same level of treatment as the previous (white) patients.

            Those are valid concerns, especially considering that there are numerous and repeated studies showing that black patients receive care (especially in hospital ERs) that is lower-quality than white patients (one example I have handy: http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=485025).

            BerwynBomber wants to shame Duncan’s family for “bitch[ing] about his treatment.” The basis for their “bitching” is that Duncan was treated differently because he’s black.

            So, either BerwynBomber is casting aspersions on the family without knowing the basis of their concerns (ignorance), or he understands that they are concerned about the racial themes that underlie Duncan’s treatment and he dismisses the real and documented effects of race on medical treatment (racist).

            So, take your pick: ignorant or racist? Or both?

          • BerwynBomber

            So you know he received poor medical treatment because of his skin color? Not because of a simple misdiagnosis or general ineptitude? Give me the details of the Duncan case where he was turned away because he was black as opposed to Dallas was in no way prepared for an Ebola patient (two were later infected treating as you might know). Be specific.

          • Sactowns#1

            Dude it was Obamas fault. he told them to discharge the patient so they could spread ebola and foment civil unrest thus bringing about the fall of Isreal and the rise of a GODless state. Duh. Havent you been watching Fox news?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            don’t be a dick, no one is saying that.

          • IBNO

            This is too easy. Shooting fish in a barrel.

            Yes, lots of people are saying JUST that.

            Laura Ingraham. Alex Jones. Keith Ablow.

            http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/10/14/deranged-right-wing-conspiracy-theory-obama-int/201148

            US Rep Steve Stockman

            http://www.trunews.com/monday-october-13-2014-rep-steve-stockman/

            They are the fringe, sure. But when a US Representative is saying that the President is trying to infect Americans with Ebola, well, there you go.

          • GPLDAN

            You know what’s really creepy? Ablow is a MD.

            He’s also a psycho.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            did someone seriously vote this post up?

          • Sactowns#1

            Yes, because it was funny.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            if you’re a seth Meyers fan I guess

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            he was treated at the regular hospital in regular shitty fashion because our country is not ready for Ebola bro. Think about it. It’s not because he was black, it just because he received the kind of treatment that you’d receive from every tom dick and harry hospital who doesn’t train for this type of shit extensively. HENCE THE FUCKING CONCERNS I HAVE that you just label as racist and xenophobic. just stop yourself.

          • IBNO

            He went to the hospital with high fever, vomiting, and pain. He was a recent arrival from an Ebola-risk country.

            Your damned right they should’ve been ready for Ebola.

            Why did he get sent home? You think, unequivocally, that race had nothing to do with his poor treatment and outcome, and that we shouldn’t even ask questions about why he was sent home, why he wasn’t given the same gold-standard treatment previous (white) patients got? When there is a well-documented differential in treatment, diagnosis, and outcomes for minority patients in this country?

            Why are you afraid of questions?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            he was given experimental treatment.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/dallas-ebola-patient-receives-experimental-treatment/2014/10/06/bf1d6e06-4d85-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html

            and one of the experimental drugs they didn’t give him was because they didn’t have anymore because it was all used up.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            evidently you have never been to an emergency room. Doctors don’t tend to spend a lot of time with patients no matter what race they are. So a misdiagnosis can easily take place when a majority of the symptoms are the same as the flu. I am sorry if a doctor in fucking Texas looks at symptoms and doesn’t immediately think Ebola. The family of the victim has a right to be upset for the misdiagnosis, but to jump to the race card is the result of ignorance. Also there is more than 1 hospital and more than 1 doctor in Dallas, why did he not get a second opinion especially knowing what he had been exposed to.

          • IBNO

            I worked in an ER for 3 years. Which is one reason why my doctoral work and current research into national security issues focuses on the securitization of health care.

            None of the studies I have read, nor the one I cited here, point to individual racist attitudes as being the problem. The differential outcomes for minorities are more because of systemic, sub-liminal (that is, ingrained), and institutional racism latent in society.

            You’re sorry if a doctor in fucking Texas looks at symptoms and doesn’t immediately think Ebola? Well, your sorrow flies in the face of instructions from the CDC and procedure at that very hospital.

            More than one hospital in Dallas? Have you ever heard of anyone going to a second ER after the first one treats and releases him/her? Guy from an at-risk country is exposed to Ebola, feels sick, goes to the ER and they tell him it’s just the flu. He breathes a sigh of relief, “Whew, it’s not Ebola!”

            Are you telling me that everyone who gets released from the ER should go to a second ER for a second opinion? Give me a break.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            little story: I went to the ER because i was having erratic heart beats and racing beats. ER doc told me it most like caused by stress and too much caffeine. I decided that since it was my heart and that it was effecting my life that i should get a second opinion, because of the seriousness of the situation. The second opinion told me that i had a heart condition and would probably need surgery but they wanted to try drugs first to correct it. When it is something possibly life threatening hell yes i say get a second opinion.

          • IBNO

            You went to a second ER after being discharged with a clean bill of health from the first? You must have awesome insurance. And you’re the first person I’ve ever heard of to do that.

            Too bad a poor African guy without insurance and trusting the smart American doctors who told him he wasn’t going to die didn’t have the same resources and doubts about the infallibility of ER doctors.

          • IBNO

            His family has pointed out that there are racial disparities in health care provision and outcomes, and have concerns that these disparities played a part in his treatment and death.

            If you didn’t know that’s what his family was concerned about, or you didn’t know that there are real and documented racial disparities in health care in the US, fine. Now you know.

            But if you do know that’s what they’re concerned about, and you dismiss their concerns (based on documented fact), then you’re dismissing a very real racial issue. And that, in and of itself, is racist.

            Here’s another way of putting it: Are you white? I’m assuming so, given your hostility to these issues, but I want to be sure. So, if you’re white, have you ever benefited from being white? Of course you have. You’ve never been pulled over by a cop for driving too nice a car, or driving in the wrong neighborhood, etc. There is an institutional, social bias against blacks in our society. Being white, you benefit from not being subject to this bias. It does not make you a racist to have benefited from your position of privilege; it does make you a racist to deny that your privilege exists.

          • BerwynBomber

            Racist? Honestly? You’re the one focusing on race. I could care less his skin color. Blue green, white, black, brown, yellow, red … the dude was infected. And my guess was he knew. If you don’t think he put others at risk, fair enough. But shove your racist bullshit up your ass. You are doing disservice to yourself and where that charge actually applies. Fucking moron.

          • IBNO

            “And my guess was he knew.”

            Why do you “guess” that? Because he’s an African who was coming to the US to get married? Because he wanted to spew Ebola all over Dallas?

            I’m not saying you’re a card-carrying member of the KKK. I’m saying you’re making racist assumptions about the guy. Hell yes, I’m focusing on race. Do you not understand that our society is inflected with racial disparity? Wait, I used big words there. Let me try again: Do you not understand that everything we do has racial implications–especially for minorities?

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m guessing that because he helped a woman with it in LIberia.
            And really you’re mocking my intelligence now? So on one hand you call people racists and on the other you mock their intelligence? Who’s bigoted here?

          • IBNO

            No, I’m not mocking your intelligence. I’m saying that you “guess” he was lying because… of some reason.

            Fill in the reason. He’s from Liberia. He’s black. He was poor. He wasn’t American. His last name was Duncan and you just plain don’t like Scotland.

            I don’t know why you assume he lied or willingly infected himself with Ebola right before he left for a pre-planned trip to the US.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            and he lied to do it and has now changed everything for this country.

          • IBNO

            He lied to do what?

            Care to back up your allegation about his “lie” with some sort of, you know, proof?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis
          • IBNO

            “Duncan reportedly helped carry the 19-year-old woman, who was convulsing, to a nearby hospital. They said it was not clear whether Duncan knew the woman had Ebola before he left Liberia.”

            If he didn’t know she had Ebola, he wasn’t lying.

        • BillW

          I may be going to the Dallas game. There will be fans from Dallas there. I wonder if I should be concerned?

          • GPLDAN

            you should be concerned. you should not go. you are old and grey and infirmed and perhaps your best course of action is to hide under your own bed. WIthout your laptop.

          • BillW

            Wow. I almost didn’t see your reply. Good thing I did. Thanks for the concern and advice.

            Maybe I AM overreacting but this is life and death. The 100 plus people on that plane will likely all be fine. But I wouldn’t want to be one of them marking down their 21 day calendar

        • IBNO

          Suspend flights from West Africa? THAT will stop people from coming here from outbreak hotspots, eh? Wrongo. People will just transit from other countries.

          And you’re arguing that the President has (and should use) the power to tell businesses how they operate? I’m sure the Right would have been proud to support Obama in this.

          We let people come and go as they please–subject to visa rules. Because we’re not a fucking dictatorship ruled by the ignorant.

          • BerwynBomber

            Dude, people’s passports are stamped. And who’s making it about politics? Fuck, I voted for Obama three times (counting his Senate race) and generally like the dude. But sorry I would like to see some W. African travel restrictions put in place except for military, medical and human aid personnel.

          • Sactowns#1

            You do realize we’re talking about a population of tens of millions, of which there are tens of thousands from other nations, including the US. So do you want to go to work and then not be let back in the country? smh. Stop reacting and start thinking.

          • BerwynBomber

            Tens of millions will not be flying. I admit the logistics would be tricky but I am assuming a health inspection wait/clearance could be put on those who have recently been in one of the countries affected. And in terms of the “we will sink their economy/country arguments”, cutting off a little air travel to Liberia would hardly kill their economy. They have much deeper issues than air travel revenue. Cutting it off temporarily would have about as much effect as tossing a lit cigarette into a bonfire.

          • IBNO

            I have posted links to the actual government data for arrivals from Africa for the 1st half of 2014. Roughly 1,000 foreign nationals per day arrive in the US from Africa. A person can have Ebola for 3 weeks without showing symptoms. So you’re talking about “health inspection wait/clearance” for ~20,000 people at a time (more than this, really, as these are simply foreign national arrivals, not American passport holders), for 3 weeks per individual.

            More than “tricky logistics.” Especially if you’re working under the assumption that some actually have Ebola. Then everyone has to be quarantined individually (otherwise you can start an outbreak among your quarantined population, which means you’ve broken the quarantine), and anyone who interacts with them needs full hazmat protection.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            how about since August 24th?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            IBNO, lets have this conversation in 2 months and then you can just apologize to me. Bringing up the Right or Left is totally gay.

          • IBNO

            Again, you’re saying that the President should (and has the power to) tell businesses how to operate? He’d be using an Executive Order (which the Right has vilified him for saying he’d do if he couldn’t get Congress to work with him) to restrict businesses that are otherwise operating the flights (and making money doing so, I assume).

            You cannot tell me that the President acting in such a way would be applauded by the Right. Because if that’s your argument, I’d like you to show me documentation of anyone on the Right arguing that the President should do so.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            IBNO, I DON’T FUCKING CARE WHAT THE RIGHT FUCKING THINKS ABOUT THIS SITUATION. I DON’T FUCKING CARE WHERE THE FUCKING HOTSPOTS ARE. I DON’T CARE THAT IT HAPPENED AT THIS POINT IN HISTORY. I ONLY CARE ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE PAID AND TRUSTED TO FUCKING ADDRESS THESE SITUATIONS TO FUCKING DO SO.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            stop bringing up fucking democrats and republicans.

          • IBNO

            I haven’t typed the word “republican” at all. I’ve only typed “democrat” as part of spelling out the Democratic National Committee, whom Trac accused me of parroting.

            I’ve said “the Right” quite a bit. Why is that so bad? The Right is in opposition to many of the Obama administration’s policies, has publicly questioned the administration’s actions vis-a-vis Ebola (among other things), and holds the view that government spending must be reduced severely–a view which has led to budget decreases for the CDC and NIH.

            Seriously, are you telling me that politicians who are Right of Center in this country are not critical of the Obama administration, or do not want government spending reduced. I can refer you to the Paul Ryan budget plan, if you like.

            Don’t get mad at me for pointing out the facts.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            when did the Paul Ryan budget get implemented?

          • IBNO

            Let me quote what I typed, because you seem to have missed it:

            “politicians who are Right of Center in this country…want government spending reduced. I can refer you to the Paul Ryan budget plan”

            The political Right in this country wants to cut government spending. Is there something incorrect about this?

          • IBNO

            Oooh, all caps. I can still read it. Are you mad, bro?

            The funny thing is, everyone at the CDC who is paid to address this, has been. The problem is that not enough people are paid to do the work. That’s the funny thing about government… we want less of it, except when we need more of it.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            yes IBNO, I’ve been insulted enough to get mad about something I actually care about. congrats.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            please retain dignity and erase that last sentence. That is not indicative of your intelligence level. Please admit that.

          • IBNO

            “That’s the funny thing about government… we want less of it, except when we need more of it”?

            You want me to erase that?

            Why? It’s true. On both sides of the political aisle. We want to reduce government bloat, but when the shit hits the fan, we need more (more government, more bang for the buck, more whatever).

          • GPLDAN

            It would appear the Jericho system is back in the hands of it’s rightful owner.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            it’s annoying to have someone of intelligence like IBNO resort to partisan bullshit. At least i’m not getting heated trying to defend Cutler from 2011. Now it’s just attacks on my own intelligence.

          • IBNO

            What partisan bullshit? How am I engaging in partisan bullshit?

            Here is the most “partisan” stuff I’ve said (paraphrasing): “Conservatives want to cut government spending. Republicans in control of the House (for most of the last 14 years) have driven most of the cuts that have reduced the CDC’s and NIH’s ability to fight Ebola outbreaks.

            How is that partisan. Isn’t that all fact?

            I’ve ascribed more to the radical Right and their conspiracy theories. Though if it’s “partisan bullshit” to call out the fringe Right for thinking Obama is trying to bring Ebola into the US, then count me in.

          • GPLDAN

            IBNO, lets have this conversation in 2 months and then you can just apologize to me.

            Let me go Mr. Peabody and dial the Tardis up to a year ago.

            Lemme see, open the Luftwaffle files.

            Here it is…

            “Damn GP, if you weren’t such a pretentious ass and talked down to people in arguments, I could maybe see your points.”

            Damn I love this Tardis.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            GP, I was accused of being a racist, xenophobic and ignorant because I don’t agree with the handling of this evolving crisis. I think that a couple of months from now would be an excellent time to see if my concerns have been validated or simply the musings of a hillbilly card carrying member of the KKK and bible thumping creationist preacher.
            A year ago you and I had a much different flavor of back and forth did we not? On multiple occasions I’ve noted your intelligence and also disdainful sarcasm. I think you should post the entire exchange on that thread because that sentence is probably taken out of some context. Dial up the Tardis again.

          • GPLDAN

            I don’t have the whole exchange. I made a little wall hanging in my office with that quote, though.

            And IBNO was saying that you would BE ignorant IF you felt that race didn’t have something to do with a black guy being sent home in a Texas hospital showing the symptoms he had. Which is valid.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            naw, it’s just indicative of the lack of preparedness of the US for an Ebola outbreak. The nurse that treated him got it, a second worker in the same hospital just got it, etc.
            Racist would be them saying, Duncan, we would give you this experiemental Ebola medicine but you obviously don’t have any money or insurance to pay for it because you’re black, now git home and cook up some chitlins.
            That would be racist.

          • GPLDAN

            Well whatever the reason he was sent home, it was the wrong call. Everything so far has been a fuckup. THat cute little Asian nurse (possibly racist and sexist there) now has it, probably because she didn’t know hazmat properly. And it’s a problem.

            But the real problem is yesterday’s WHO Report. By next month, West Africa could be looking at 10,000 new cases a month.

            If you want the scary, there’s the scary. And the markets responded by crashing today.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            that is sad to think about.

          • IBNO

            Jeez, do you not think that there is racism below the level of “you’re black, get out of my hospital”?

            Elevator comes to your floor, doors open, and there are two young black guys in it. You don’t get in, say, “I’ll take the stairs.” Is that racism?

            It doesn’t have to be emphatic, violent, or virulent for it to be racism. If, controlling for other variables (weight, exercise, age, income, etc.) 100 white guys go to the hospital for chest pain, 80 are admitted for testing and of the 20 sent home none die of cardiac arrest. Again, controlling for other variables, 100 black guys go to the hospital for chest pain, 70 are admitted and of the 30 sent home 2 die of cardiac arrest… that’s a disparity indicative of systemic racism. That’s not saying any individual said, “you’re black, get out of my hospital.” But it’s indicative of systemic racism.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            did you just validate the idea that people will do whatever it takes to get to the US from hotspots?
            Because you’re not crazy if you did

          • IBNO

            I said nothing of the sort. “Whatever it takes?”

            No. I said if you suspend flights from, say, Freetown to NYC, then someone with a visa (which means tourism, job, education in most cases… which means they have a vested interest in making the trip) to come to the US can circumvent the suspension by flying someone else–like the UK–first.

            Suspending direct flights from at-risk countries to the US won’t stop people from arriving from those countries. It merely makes them choose different flights.

        • i was actually privvy to the conversations:

          “holy shit, guys. did you see what mel tucker did with those linebackers?”

          “it’s crazy, mister president. maybe we should give him a call?”

          “i was thinking about it. if he can contain the atlanta O in their dome, he can contain anything.”

      • guest

        The incubation period for Ebola is 21 days. You’d have to stop flights from everywhere if you want to stop it getting into the country … you’d have to stop all ships …. you see where this is going ?

    • IBNO

      I certainly hope you’re trolling, because the level of xenophobia and ignorance you’ve posted is staggering.

      You CANNOT stop a virus at a country’s borders. How the fuck would you expect to quarantine several countries? Especially since people can be exposed and then travel through several countries before coming to the US?

      And “the administration failed to act”? Bullshit. Bull fucking shit. Congress repeatedly and continuously slashed the budget of the CDC and our contributions to the WHO, reducing the world’s–and our–ability to contain or fight an outbreak. But let’s say Congress didn’t hamstring the CDC. What was the administration supposed to do? Impose martial law? Bar anyone from coming into the US who MIGHT have beeen exposed to Ebola?

      Stop hyperventilating. Ebola is not contagious–it’s INFECTIOUS. There will be no mass outbreak in the US. Not unless you go looking for Ebola sufferers and start bathing in their body fluids. The average Ebola case infects 2 other people. Measles infects 18. Hep C infects 2. So you’re looking at an illness that is as infectious as Hep C, but unlike Hep C, the time frame when Patient A can infect others is pretty short. If we exercise good public health procedure, we prevent this from being an issue.

      Worry instead about Ebola making it to India or somewhere similar. They’ll be decimated.

      Fuck, the ignorance here is staggering.

      • Trac

        What the Ellis Islands original purpose IB?

        • IBNO

          Ellis Island was a fucking disaster. People were treated like cattle. Immigrants were shit on.

          Yes, people were examined for signs of disease. You propose doing that today, Trac? All arrivals, or just foreigners on visas? Because Ebola only infects foreigners, of course.

          So you want to quarantine/examine all arrivals from everywhere in the world? For how long? What doctors are going to examine all these arrivals?

          OK, let’s limit it to all arrivals from Africa. Because naturally no one exposed to Ebola will transit from other countries, right?

          http://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2014-I-001/table2.html

          On average, about 35,000 NON-US-RESIDENTS arrive in the US, per month, from Africa. That’s over 1,000 a day, scattered across multiple ports. People exposed to Ebola can go 2 to 21 days before showing symptoms (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/). So you want to quarantine roughly 20,000 people at a time, holding each individual for 3 weeks, to determine if they’re infected? Who pays for this?

          • Trac

            I’m saying exactly what Yonny is saying, put a travel ban in hot spots until protocol can be established. Common sense.

          • IBNO

            How can you ban travel? The only way you could ban travel “in hot spots” is to ban travel FROM hot spots. Which would require a full-scale military blockade. Of several countries. And sealing their overland borders with their neighbors.

            You see how “common sense” when you start thinking about how you would actually do this in the real world?

          • Trac

            You have to force Liberia to deal with the problem. If they can’t or are unwilling to then, yes, put a travel ban on anyone trying to come to this country from an Ebola hotspot that hasn’t gone through a medical screening. This disease is that deadly.

          • Sactowns#1

            There are MUCH deadlier diseases. Stop eating what the media feeds you. http://www.livescience.com/47340-viruses-scarier-than-ebola.html

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            that’s your response Sac? “oh, it’s not that bad, there’s way worse stuff out there, stop being a pussy” ??

          • Sactowns#1

            In essence, Yes.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            lol, awesome. on that note, i’m going back to MB’s post that Darryl Sharpton is the next Brian Urlacher.

          • BerwynBomber

            Dude, really? The flu? Yeah, it kills more (thus far) than Ebola, but it often only kills the very old, very young or infirm. And HIV? It’s a helluva lot harder to contract than Ebola. There is a reason health workers where full Hazmat suits and face mask around infected people with Ebola. it’s extremely deadly and very easy to transmit given its deadliness.
            That livescience post could have been written by a college freshman.

          • Trac

            It’s pointless Ber. I’m going back to Bears mode.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I hear ya. Thing that gets me is how it is assumed one is a racist Republican if you disagree about this shit. SMFH. But you’re right, screw it.

          • IBNO

            I have assumed nothing about anyone’s party affiliation. Trac accused me of parroting the DNC. I asked (and have not received any answer) what DNC official has been saying what I’m saying, and guessed that what Trac might have heard was a GOP mouthpiece denigrating the facts by ascribing them to political attacks by the DNC.

            I’ll stand by the racist claim, though. Again, if you deny the real, documented racial issue involved, you’re either ignorant or a racist. Explain to me how you cannot be one or the other (or both) if you deny that the Duncan family raises legitimate concerns about his treatment in light of documented racial disparities in US healthcare.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Duncan got one of the three infectious disease rooms, received an experimental Ebola drug and his family brings up race when he dies?
            What the fuck?

          • BerwynBomber

            Good. Think of me as a “racist”. You made the initial charge and personal attack. And I will think of you as a piece of shit for having done so. And there we stand. Moving on …

          • BerwynBomber

            Oh, and to answer your question: no one, from what I have read, is denying racial disparities in terms of health care. If it’s any consolation to you I’m a huge supporter of ACA. But what people are disputing is that Duncan was misdiagnosed and sent home because of race. Again, I have you asked for evidence that he was. Instead, all you can point to is a society-wide problem, which unfortunately is not evidence in an individual case. So it leads me to believe you really don’t have any — specific evidence that is.

          • IBNO

            So a society-wide problem doesn’t impact individuals?

            Please.

            I have no evidence that Duncan was misdiagnosed because of his race. No one has evidence. Because the questions are just now being asked, and the evidence is being collected.

          • IBNO

            BerwynBomber, don’t come to a factual argument unarmed.

            Ebola is less infectious than HIV:

            http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola

            It is not “very easy to transmit.”

            Stop saying things that are factually incorrect. So blatantly wrong. Such lies.

          • IBNO

            “Force Liberia to deal with the problem?”

            How? We invade?
            How? How on God’s green Earth do you “force” them to “deal with the problem?” As if the Liberian government is ready, willing, and able, but just doesn’t want to?

            This is exactly what I’m talking about when I rail against knee-jerk reactions. “Force Liberia to deal with the problem” is a platitude. There is no policy prescription. There is no “there” there.

            And again, I’ve cited travel statistics. How many thousands of people are you going to quarantine for 3 weeks? (And that’s just the foreign nationals, not the Americans traveling back home). Who pays for thousands of people to be quarantined for 3 weeks a person?

          • IBNO

            And what the fuck “protocol” are you talking about? You mean screening travelers? Which runs into the same logistical problems I alluded to above.

            There is no such thing as “Fortress America.” We cannot seal the gates. We cannot stop a virus.

            We manage the few cases that get into the US, and we pour aid into the countries affected. You know the disaster waiting to happen? Shit gets so dire in the affected countries that hell breaks loose. Then people flee and no one can contain where they go. They end up in India, or Bangladesh, or Egypt… and then it spreads.

            We’ve been talking about outbreaks affecting hundreds or thousands of people to date. Not enough instances for the virus to evolve. Infect hundreds of thousands in poor countries around Africa and Asia, and then maybe a case–probably less deadly, that’s the way these things change–goes airborne. Then we can all shit bricks.

          • Trac

            Honestly our obligation is to protect Americans first. That should be priority #1.

          • IBNO

            Trac, I say this in all respect and sincerely. This is my belief–though one that is not out-of-line with a lot of research and even US gov’t policy:

            One of the best ways to protect Americans is to do the hard work of protecting other people. We wouldn’t be worrying one bit about Ebola if we had more resources in play (in West Africa) and were able to prevent hundreds (well, thousands, now) of Africans from being infected.

      • Trac

        You have the DNC’s marching orders it seems. Hail to the party and screw anyone that questions them? Pretty lame IB.

        • IBNO

          What the fuck are you talking about? From Senate testimony by CDC officials whose tenure long precedes the Obama administration:

          Dr. Beth Bell, director of the CDC’s National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases testified that the budget cuts allowed the epidemic to explode in Africa. “If even modest investments had been made to build a public health infrastructure in West Africa previously, the current Ebola epidemic could have been detected earlier, and it could have been identified and contained.”
          Or, per NIH Director Francis Collins: “NIH has been working on Ebola vaccines since 2001. It’s not like we suddenly woke up and thought, ‘Oh my gosh, we should have something ready here,’… Frankly, if we had not gone through our 10-year slide in research support, we probably would have had a vaccine in time for this that would’ve gone through clinical trials and would have been ready.”

          That’s not party line bullshit. That’s scientists talking about funding cuts hampering their ability to fight this disease.

          So fuck you and your accusations of politicizing this, Trac. Aside from the Democrats holding the House from 2008-2010, it’s been Republican Congresses that have been cutting these budgets. That’s not “DNC marching orders.” That’s fact.

          • Trac

            You’re the one telling every one how stupid they are and losing your temper. You need to take a look at your posts again and reflect on your communication skills. When I apologized the other day, it wasn’t for my thoughts or position on our discussion, it was for allowing my anger to derail the discussion. Not going to argue with you but everything you’re saying about funding is the exact same tripe I’ve heard every talking head in the DNC spout over the last few weeks. I’m sick of the blame game ok. Just fix the dam problem. The U.S. has to force Liberia to solve the problem first and foremost. How we go about doing that is another story.

          • IBNO

            I’m not losing my temper. I’m frustrated that people here are being so fucking ignorant that they’re willing to blame a guy who got sick for seeking treatment.

            The basic level of humanity and empathy that is lacking in the “blame the victim” stance, and the willful ignorance of the facts of budget cuts and the impossibility of quarantining the world in the “blame Obama” response just floor me. It’s like people forget they’re humans and just want to repeat talking points in order to score political points.

            What “talking head[s] in the DNC” have you seen “spout[ing]” these past weeks? Seriously, what leaders in the DNC have been saying this stuff? Does it matter? Does it matter if what they’re saying is true? One, I am not convinced that you’ve seen “DNC talking heads” spouting this. I think you’re repeating what “GOP talking heads” have been spouting about “DNC talking heads.” But even if you HAVE seen MULTIPLE leaders in the DEOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE going on the airwaves and repeating the same thing I’ve said here, DOES THAT MAKE IT LESS TRUE?

            http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2013/04/cdc-preparedness-funds-take-hit-proposed-2014-budget

            Look here:
            http://www.cphfoundation.org/images/ChartFY13Sequester.JPG

            Those are REAL dollars, not adjusted-for-inflation dollars.

            This one shows a baseline of inflation, and so you can see the actual budget falling more clearly, when adjusted for inflation:

            http://www.cphfoundation.org/documents/FY12DebateGraph11.23.11.pdf

            I’m not exempting the President from blame. He signs the budget. He proposes the budget. But he can’t propose or sign a budget that won’t get past the House. And the reality is that House has been driving cuts to government agencies left, right, and center.

            That’s not a talking point. That’s the facts.

            Fix the problem? The “fix” for the problem would’ve been easier if the funding hadn’t been cut. And Reps and Senators are holding hearings wanting to score political points in blaming the inability of the CDC and NIH to stop Ebola on Obama somehow being ineffective. Which is like blaming the BATF for not getting illegal guns off the street when Congress has passed all sorts of restrictions on their ability to do so. Oh, that’s happened, too.

            You want long, trenchant analysis by someone who knows all about this shit and until recently, was overseas working on similar issues. Here I am. And I’ll type all day, if you want me to. But I will NOT tolerate ignorance and the debasing of a human life because he had the temerity to die on American soil.

          • BerwynBomber

            You’re not losing temper? Dude you’re calling people racists because of your own narrative/hyper-sensitivity, you’re typing a mile a word a minute, and in the very post you’re claiming you’re not losing your temper you’re typing in CAPs as if to scream at people. Hey, I’ll never respect you again for what you called me, but seriously do yourself a favor and switch to decaf.

          • IBNO

            Again, let’s recap.

            BerwynBomber, you said:

            “What got me was the dead dude’s survivors bitching about the treatment he received here. That dude knowingly put hundreds of people at risk. Some brass to then bitch about his treatment.”

            His family raised concerns his treatment was substandard because of his race. There is a documented disparity in treatment and outcomes for blacks versus whites in this country. So there is a legitimate set of questions to ask about whether Duncan received substandard care (compared to previous, white patients) based on his racial/ethnic background and/or national origin.

            If you dismiss legitimate concerns about legitimate racial issues as “bitching,” you are either 1) ignorant that there are legitimate racial issues involved; or 2) denying those legitimate racial issues (hence, racist). I guess there’s a third possibility: a little of 1 and a little of 2. What other possibilities exist?

            If you think I’m losing my temper, you’re mistaken. Typing fast and being armed with logic and factual support is not a sign of losing temper; it’s a sign of being a teacher and wanting to remove the veil of ignorance from others.

            I type in CAPS to EMPHASIZE certain WORDS, as I don’t think this commenting system uses bold oh, hey, it does! Well, fuck the capital letters! I can italicize, too? And underline! Awesome!

            DON’T AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT TYPING IN ALL CAPS MEANS ANGER, EITHER. SOMETIMES IT JUST MEANS SOMEONE MISTAKENLY HIT THE CAPS LOCK KEY AND DIDN’T NOTICE IT. OTHER TIMES IT’S A JOKE.

            I don’t drink coffee, either.

            I don’t need your crave your respect. What I need and crave is for you to abandon knee-jerk assumptions and racist logic about the world.

          • BerwynBomber

            And again, you could point to NO specific evidence that race played a part in Duncan’s case. I said “be specific”. Instead, you gave me his family’s opinion, which thank you very much, I was very well aware of, and then cited generic “legitimate racial issues”. Frankly, IBNO I find you a joke. Maybe worse than that. People who immediately shout “racist!” at people who never even suggested race are no better than racists themselves. They’re, in fact, part of the same problem.

          • GPLDAN

            IBNO is training to be a Middle East specialist of some kind, and has actual colleagues who work in the CDC.

            You are from Berwyn.

            Just sayin’. May wish to contain the rhetoric on who is a joke.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t care his credentials. Crap is crap. And no reason to look down upon me because I reside in Berwyn. You revealed your own ignorance by trying to “big-time” me like that.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t give a shit where you live BB, I’ve never thought you were a racist before today, today and probably tomorrow. I think IBNO brings up a lot of good points but so do you, Johnny and Trac. Things get tricky when shit goes off the rails. No easy answer no matter how much we want one.

          • BerwynBomber

            Thanks CB. It’s all good. I am from Berwyn. I am a bit of a grit. But doesn’t mean I can’t defend my opinions because someone is from a better place or more professionally accomplished. Anyway, back to pigskin.

          • IBNO

            Thanks, CB. I am passionate about this stuff because I believe it matters.

            I understand why people think “travel ban” and how that would “solve” the problem (by letting the people overseas die, and they can’t get here to infect us!). But that’s a knee-jerk simplicity that is parroted by a lot of hateful/ignorant people.

            What gets me “off the rails” is when people deny reality. Reality is that a travel ban couldn’t be implemented and wouldn’t work. Reality is that racism is with us. Reality is that Duncan was–by all accounts–a good guy, who got exposed through an act of kindness, and people blaming him for getting sick are just plain wrong.

            Debate me, argue your points–bring evidence (which, as far as I’ve seen, no one has linked to or quoted any sort of proof except me)–and I’ll engage. Repeat the same tired tropes and I will continue to lob truth-bombs your away.

            Kids who take my classes learn that they’re welcome to disagree with me, but if they don’t bring proof/evidence to back up the tired half-truths they cling to, I’ll bury them in facts that prove they believe a sack of lies they’ve been sold.

          • CanadaBear

            To be honest, I agree with almost everything you’ve said other than the racist stuff about the posters here. Not down with that. I get your points but just don’t quite agree. People can hate Obama without being racist. I think a lot of them are racist but unless I hear them say racist stuff or do racist things, I won’t bring up the racist issue. Might think it but won’t say it. That’s just me. There have been a few posters on here that were definitely racist (That guy that had Jersey in his screen name) but I don’t get that feeling at all from the rank and file here. Just because they might not look at things through that filter doesn’t make them racist. It just means they don’t, for whatever reason.

          • IBNO

            I think this is the post where I’ve offended BerwynBomber and others:

            Yes, race. Duncan’s family brought it up, wondering why previous (white) patients were transferred to the best facilities to treat Ebola, and given the cutting-edge treatments, while he was sent home the first time, and never given the same level of treatment as the previous (white) patients.

            Those are valid concerns, especially considering that there are numerous and repeated studies showing that black patients receive care (especially in hospital ERs) that is lower-quality than white patients (one example I have handy:http://archinte.jamanetwork.co….

            BerwynBomber wants to shame Duncan’s family for “bitch[ing] about his treatment.” The basis for their “bitching” is that Duncan was treated differently because he’s black.

            So, either BerwynBomber is casting aspersions on the family without knowing the basis of their concerns (ignorance), or he understands that they are concerned about the racial themes that underlie Duncan’s treatment and he dismisses the real and documented effects of race on medical treatment (racist).

            So, take your pick: ignorant or racist? Or both?

            BerwynBomber says the family’s “bitching” is without merit. They’re questioning whether race played a part in Duncan’s mistreatment/death. If BB denies that racism either exists as a cause of health care disparity in this country, or if he denies (before any evidence either way is discovered) that it might have had a role in Duncan’s case, then yeah… denying the facts of racism makes you racist. It’s taking the injustices inherent in the system and saying “fuck you, grow a pair” to people who suffer from those injustices.

            I’ll pose the question again, in a different way: If you’re white, do you realize you’ve benefited in life from not being black? If you deny the privilege you’ve enjoyed, you’re racist. Not necessarily like KKK, maybe just the Diet Coke of racism… just one calorie, racism lite.

          • CanadaBear

            I get your point but just don’t agree with throwing around the racist tag unless it’s overt. You can’t un-ring the bell so I try to be really careful throwing it out there.

          • IBNO

            Just because I say it’s racist doesn’t mean it sticks. This is the internet, and we’re all somewhat anonymous. It’s not a scarlet letter.

            And I never called any person a racist. “Racist” is an adjective, in this case used to describe the thought/thinking.

            I understand people get hot and bothered. But why white people lose their shit about being called racist when every single human is, at some level, racist, boggles me.

          • CanadaBear

            Well, I sure take offense when someone calls me racist. You basically said posters were either racist or stupid. Not a lot to like there. I like all the facts you use to back up your arguments but just don’t think there’s any need for the name calling. Let the facts speak for themselves and let everyone else come to their own conclusions.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            well said, CB. That is what i took offense to, IBNO, my apologies if i was not able to clearly convey it in my previous post as well as CB just did. Using “Racist” as an adjective conveys certain connotations in and of itself. It is a very negative adjective, therefore, will evoke negative emotions and responses. For you to have used it as early as you did, in my mind, did not help your case about racial inequities because of the view i formed of you by calling people either racist or ignorant. BTW, for the most part, i agree with you on your views on racial inequities. There is usually no need to call someone racist as CB points out let the facts speak for themselves and let everyone come to their own conclusions.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            truth-bombs like calling people racist, instead of first trying to debate you point first. you threw that racist bomb early in the thread before you even made mention of the racial inequities of the medical system. People on this blog are not stupid, yet you call them ignorant because they don’t take race into account immediately on the subject. You stated that you believe only 1%of the Duncan issue is probably due to latent racism. Yet you are willing to call people racist because they didn’t take that 1% into account when they made comments. To me that is simply unacceptable.

            You say no one has brought any proof, yet i posted several comments that linked to the Washington Post directly related to the Duncan case. Yet someone ask you for proof that race was directly related to this case and not sheer incompetence, and you give links to books and studies about racial inequities, nothing directly related to this case with Duncan. I am apologizing in advance since i did not click all the links you posted, since several them seemed more pointed to politics and funding issues than the case at hand. But your proof seems to be very generic in nature. I agree that there are probably racial inequities in the medical field, but you have no proof that it was in the case of Duncan. As far as his family bringing up race, quite honesty, I look at it as a grieving family trying to get answers and trying to find someone to blame. Instead of blaming a very deadly disease with a high mortality rate. Sometimes mistakes are made, sometimes there are no reasons for those mistakes, and sometimes people die because of it.

            All of this does not discount that you played a race card, and you called people ignorant racist before even taking the time to expound on your arguments or to actually hear their side. All of which is unacceptable. You, sir, lost any credibility in my mind once you start accusing racism and ignorance.

          • IBNO

            1) At the time I noted that no one else had posted evidence, your posts with links to the washington post article were not showing up on my screen. Congratulations, you posted a link. It didn’t prove that Duncan lied. It proved that people argue that he might have lied.

            2) I posted above that denying the effects and outcomes of institutional racism is either ignorant or racist. When the person said that he wasn’t ignorant, I assumed that his arguments were racist. Nowhere did I call any particular person racist.

            And really, if it’s such a grievous insult to be called racist, holy crap.

            I’m racist. We ALL are racist, to some degree. Even African-Americans show implicit biases against their own racial/ethnic group. http://ideas.time.com/2012/04/19/inside-the-racist-mind/

            I didn’t “play a race card,” I responded to BerywnBomber blaming the victim’s family for asking questions and raising concerns that race might have had something to do with Duncan’s treatment. Again, if BB was ignorant of the family making the racial claim, then he’s not being racist in denying the validity of their claim. But if he knew they argued that race MIGHT be part of the reason why Duncan died, and he denied that race could have played any part in it–before anyone has investigated–and despite documentation that race does indeed negatively affect outcomes for minorities… well, denying that racism has an effect is, indeed, racist.

            And it wasn’t me who invoked it. It was BerwynBomber’s uncalled for ad hominem attack on a family grieving the horrible death of a relative.

            In my mind, reducing Duncan to some malevolent liar who was trying to get into the US by lying is equivalent to the “fence ’em in!” isolationist view that says we can keep the problem (in this case, Ebola) out of our country by keeping the poor victims away from us. They aren’t human, they’re infected bodies that threaten us.

            So I’ll repeat myself: if you deny–without questioning, without waiting for any evidence that can be gathered by the questions being posed–that race could have had any effect on Duncan’s misdiagnosis and eventual death, knowing that there are racial disparities in our health care system, then yeah, you’re being racist.

            Rather than saying, “You’re a bad guy for calling me a racist” (which I haven’t done), if you disagree with my statement (starting “if you deny…” and ending “you’re being racist”), then disagree with it. And if you want to debate it, fine. Let’s do that. But dismissing me, saying I have “lost credibility” (what “credibility” does a poster on a football blog have?), or otherwise sticking your fingers in your ears and saying “nyah nyah I can’t hear you” does nothing to counter my argument.

          • IBNO

            Son of Svengoolie makes fun of Berwyn, and that’s good enough for me.

          • IBNO

            I am pointing to tons of evidence. There are documented, repeated studies showing racial disparities in health care.

            Evidence?

            http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=__uouFvf9z4C&oi=fnd&pg=PR1&dq=racial+disparity+in+health+care&ots=0_3FqtjKwG&sig=MixiOlqD3KSIsWbT3Eozb8ioeaQ

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc1497553/

            http://journals.lww.com/lww-medicalcare/Abstract/2002/01000/Disparities_in_Health_Care_by_Race,_Ethnicity,_and.7.aspx

            http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.93.10.1713

            Need I go on?

            Duncan was sent home with antibiotics. He did not get ZMapp, the drug used by previous patients (there wasn’t enough left, we’re told).

            Why was his treatment & outcome different? Was it incompetence, or attributable (at least in part) to the systemic disparities I’ve mentioned? This is a question worth exploring. My gut feeling is that incompetence, screw-ups, not following SOP–whatever you want to call it–probably makes up 99% of the blame, and institutional, latent racism might make up 1%. But even if my gut is right, that doesn’t mean the questions shouldn’t be asked. Why do we fear questions about the role race MIGHT have played?

            “Generic ‘legitimate racial issues'”? Are you calling them “generic” to minimize them? Again, if you aren’t ignorant of the issues, and yet you dismiss or deny them, that’s a problem.

            If you can’t see that, there’s no amount of words I can type that will show you. You don’t want to know if there’s a racial component. You don’t care if there is one. You want your narrative to be right, and damn the people who show you evidence to the contrary.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Yet you find it okay to call people racist because they believe that the dude died because of incompetence, screw-ups, and not following SOP. I still think you owe an apology to all the people you called a racist. You jumped to the conclusion that anyone that didn’t think of race being a factor is therefore a racist. That’s just not cool.

          • IBNO

            Did I call you a racist?

            Where?

            I said that if you deny the presence of racism in (one part) of our society, then you are either ignorant or a racist.

            Do you deny that there is systemic racism in our society, and in healthcare outcomes? No? Fine. You’re neither ignorant nor a racist, and no apology needed because no offense was given.

          • IBNO

            I’m sorry I type fast.

            Is it not fair that I type fast?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            you’re making this about democrats? i’m talking about science and common sense and stopping and making decisions based on UNPRECEDENTED situations like this.
            You can talk about WHO funding all you want. i’m talking about the reality that we are in right now as everyone and their fucking brother that can get on a plane or get to the US or Europe somehow will do so before symptoms…..just like patient fucking ZERO did. Lied to get here and already infected 2 people in a week, put dozens at risk in his immediate contact and then exponentially from there.

          • Sactowns#1

            Unprecedented? Ok chicken little. I thought the bird flu was coming to kill us all. Or was it SARS? Or the machines that rise up after Y2K.

          • IBNO

            No, Trac said what I’m saying is (paraphrasing) “DNC talking points”.

            You’re not talking science. You’re talking fear-mongering.
            You’re not talking “common sense.” You’re talking about knee-jerk reactions and then not thinking through the implications.
            “Everyone and their fucking brother that can get on a plane… somehow will do so before symptoms.”

            Again, if you believe that the threat is from anyone traveling from the at-risk countries to the US, then your implied solution (given your explicit assertion to bar flights from the at-risk countries) is to bar ALL people who originate from the at-risk countries. A strategy that is impossible to implement, won’t work, will bar people who are no threat, and won’t prevent the virus from spreading in other ways.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            it’s not the solution it’s one of many temporary ways to do everything possible to reduce dangerous variables while the situation is assessed and all options are implemented.

          • Trac

            Fear mongering? I don’t think so. I’m not afraid, I’m more concerned at the lack of a clear and decisive action to isolate and deter. Science? The scientists themselves don’t know nearly enough about the disease and have said as much.

            Oh and any of you wise guys out there want to send an arrow my way for commenting on this topic, I didn’t enter it into the debate nor was I the one that started foaming on the mouth when it was brought up. Just because you raise your dialogue and try to ramrod your opinion does not make it so. I’m not interested in this line of interrogation from the thought police, mmkay. Move on please.

          • IBNO

            The scientists have said with a lot of certainty that they know how it spreads and how infectious (or not-infectious) it is.

            “Science” is not advocating or suggesting a travel ban, quarantine, etc. It is fear-mongering to attach so much anxiety to the possibility of being exposed to Ebola that we are willing to consider ineffective measures that target people who scare us because they’re from somewhere else (i.e., immigrants are bringing Ebola in! Stop the immigrants before we all die!). I’m not saying YOU are fear-mongering, Trac… I’m saying that (whoever Donnnnnnnnnnnnn’t Carrrrre’s original username is, I dunno… I’ll just call him “DC”) DC is, because he’s advocating a travel ban that would do nothing to stop the virus… using the same language and tropes that the hard right is when blaming Obama for this via their conspiracy theories. I’m saying that the arguments DC uses are used by the fear-mongers.

            I don’t know why you keep asserting I’m mad, angry, losing my temper, or (here) “foaming at the mouth.” You’re reading a lot into words I type.

            I’m not “ramrod[ding] my opinion” anywhere. I will argue facts left, right, and center, with gusto. Because facts are… well, facts. My opinion? I’m not giving much of it. Sure, my “opinion” is that travel bans wouldn’t work… but I back my “opinion” with a lot of data, so I don’t consider that to be an opinion. It’s a conclusion based on facts and knowledge. My “opinion” that it’s racist to argue that racism doesn’t exist? That’s more “logic” than “opinion.”

          • Trac

            Look at your verbiage. They say it’s not airborne but you can get it from bodily secretions. If a person that is contagious and coughs, guess what, it goes airborne. Just try not to get so worked up man. Nothing anyone can do that’s on the sidelines anyhow. Except be careful.

          • IBNO

            No, that’s not airborne. Seriously, do I have to do all the work for you?

            http://www.bt.cdc.gov/preparedness/quarantine/

            “Contagious disease: a very communicable disease capable of spreading rapidly from one person to another by contact or close proximity.”

            Ebola is NOT contagious. It is not easy to get. The virus is found in bodily fluids, but there is no indication it is easily transmissible via fluids other than blood, feces, or vomitus. HIV is found in bodily fluids, too… are you worried about someone HIV-Positive sweating on you?

            This is an important bit of verbiage, Trac. If we blur it and give the public the impression that Ebola is easily transmissible, then we get people panicking and reacting by advocating we ban travel from places where there are outbreaks, or quarantining anyone who might have been exposed, or… you see where I’m going.

            In short, my whole argument is that we need to realize how non-transmissible Ebola is so we DON’T panic and do a whole bunch of hyperventilating… (and I just typed something relating this to terrorism, but I don’t want to get off topic).

          • GPLDAN

            Aside from the Democrats holding the House from 2008-2010, it’s been Republican Congresses that have been cutting these budgets.

            Finally the truth shows up.

          • IBNO

            Whoops. I used the words “Democrats” and “Republicans” once each.

        • Sactowns#1

          No he’s using this crazy tool that humans evolved called “logic”. Now stop being scared of the boogyman of the day and go back to watching football.

          • Trac

            Not worth it Sac.

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        I should probably tell my relative that at the CDC that IBNO thinks he’s fucking crazy then. Jesus.
        You’re post is insane. I said the country would never be the same and we did it to ourselves not that it’ll become the Walking Dead bro. Stop pulling Xenophobia into it. it’s common sense to look at temporarily suspending flights as more and more cases pop up and it’s not selfish of me to worry about my country as opposed to a dude from West Africa traveling to India? Why bring up India from my post?

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          before you write a manifesto, just look at my original post and really read it.

          • IBNO

            “we simply allowed Ebola to our shores”
            “administration failed to act”
            “it will change the course of American history”
            “once it [Ebola] starts rolling it will change everything”

            Gotcha.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            You are naïve if you think that bringing in infected patients, not having sufficient systems in place to deal with this type of possible pandemic and that the nature of the disease itself isn’t accurately depicted in those statements.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            and just so you know, so you can get off of the insane racial huff post angle. The dude in Texas was given experimental drugs and he still died. He died because he had ebola not because he was black. the nurse that got infected got it because she wasn’t trained properly to deal with it and the fucking gov’t is sending thousands of soldiers to the hot spots because they know that they have to try something to stop this shit because they know the fucking consequences if it comes here in more than a few cases.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            HENCE MY FUCKING CONCERN. I’m concerned because I’m a fucking human being without ebola that doesn’t want to see it spread to the US, an isolated nation that has been kept pretty spotless in the grand scheme of things when it comes to attacks, invasions, epidemics,pandemics, etc in recent history.

          • IBNO

            There is no such thing as “an isolated nation” and it’s wishful thinking to think we will avoid problems that affect the rest of the world.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            dude, I’m not a fucking speech writer with a month to craft the perfect word structure. Is “relatively isolated” from certain types of situations normally brought upon by close proximity to other landlocked countries ok? is that fucking sufficient?

          • IBNO

            huff post? enlighten me. I don’t huff glue or gas or whipped cream, so I don’t know what huffing a post would do. Is that a dick-sucking joke?

            He died because he had Ebola? Wow, thanks for the news flash. Here I was thinking he died because he had Ebola and his treatment started 2 days later than it should have.

            Time magazine said that Duncan didn’t receive ZMapp–the experimental drug used with earlier patients (link: http://time.com/3502174/ebola-thomas-eric-duncan-liberian-bodies-treatment/)

            It is a perfectly legitimate question–given the documented racial disparities in health care outcomes in the US–to ask if there was any racial, ethnic, national origin, or even class (given that Duncan didn’t have insurance) component in Duncan’s mistreatment and/or death.

            And saying that the hospital wasn’t prepared… that’s part of the problem. Is it likely that fancier hospitals in more affluent areas were better prepared?

          • GPLDAN

            IBNO – it could have been sheer incompetence.

          • IBNO

            Absolutely. But isn’t it worth asking what the root of the problem was?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            ooooohhhhh, he didn’t get the same experimental drug, he just got another expensive experimental drug. Fucking racist doctors harboring all of the good shit for the white folk. c’mon man.

            http://www.boston.com/business/news/2014/10/15/cdc-says-should-have-responded-faster-dallas-ebola-case/J6yBfWbVnbGzUTLKDAdCoI/story.html

            Not racism, not even incompetence, maybe just lack of training for this type of crazy situation brought upon them by a guy lying to get into the country after caring for a person that just fucking died of it, in a hotspot of the ebola virus.

          • IBNO

            You say he lied to get into the country. Proof please?

            Why are you so willing to blame him for getting sick?

            He didn’t get the same experimental drug that worked with previous patients. Because there wasn’t a big enough supply. Is the supply issue racist? Hell no. I’m saying he got different care, and his family has concerns about that.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            He got sick and his own country is considering charges that he lied about exposure to Ebola. Probably because they have some protocol about people just getting the disease and jumping on a plane.

            His family says he got substandard care because he was black. That is what they fucking said.

            “The Rev. Jesse Jackson and Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is also African American, said they suspected that the hospital’s initial failure to treat Duncan as a potential Ebola victim was the result of his race and his financial situation.”
            Un.Real.

          • IBNO

            1) Good luck prosecuting a dead guy. You think Liberia has the resources to actually prosecute a guy outside their territory? They are “considering charges” for the same reason the Dallas prosecutor was–politics. The Dallas prosecutor (would have the charges laughed out of course) wants to make political hay; Liberia wants to discourage infected people from fleeing.
            2) At the time he got on the plane, he was asymptomatic. No fever. Hadn’t been enough time passed between contact and his flight, anyway.
            3) Jesse Jackson has never heard of a political/racial issue that he didn’t jump in on, and the Dallas County Commissioner sounds the same to me as the Dallas prosecutor. Politics. Does that make the concerns raised by the family less legitimate that a couple of political hacks jump in?

            Again, if he didn’t know the girl had Ebola, he didn’t lie. We’ll never know.

            What we DO know is that we cannot say that he lied to get into the country.

        • IBNO

          I should probably tell all the friends I have that work for the CDC that your relative at the CDC is telling you to that the administration failed to act. Or maybe I’ll tell my CO-WORKERS who work for the CDC that…

          Are we really going to do a “I have friends who are…” penis-measuring contest?

          What does your “relative… at the CDC” say? You’ve given no reference before this other than to blame “the administration” and wish for some sort of quarantine. Which no one with half a brain would argue.

          You said “The administration failed to act and it will change the course of American history. Once this starts rolling it will change everything. Incompetence at its highest level.”

          Are you waffling about what “changing the course of American history” means? Oh, nothing will be the same. Duh. You were implying that Ebola would “[start] rolling” and you blamed “incompetence” for it. To me (and anyone who can read), Ebola “rolling” in the US would be an outbreak. And the incompetence you’re pinning it on is “the administration [who] failed to act,” i.e., the president.

          So I countered, in emphatic terms, because your words are emblematic of and repeated by all sorts of xenophobes who think 1) we can realistically halt Ebola by quarantining Africa; and 2) it’s all Obama’s fault!

          Temporarily suspending flights won’t do shit to stop Ebola. It might temporarily stop some people from coming directly here. But if a person has a visa and wants to make the visit, what’s to stop them from transiting through the UK? So what you’re REALLY advocating is barring all nationals of the affected countries from visiting the US. ALL. Not simply infected or exposed.

          That is xenophobia. Ta da!

          I suggested you worry about Ebola getting to India, because if it does, it gets a shit-ton harder to deal with. You don’t care if it goes to India because you don’t care about non-Americans dying?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            I knew you were going to pull that shit in the last sentence, I fucking knew it. That was not my point.
            I also want to know why you are so against looking at every possible angle to drastically lower the chances, even in the very short term, of an Ebola outbreak in the USA while we help stem the fucking tide over in West Africa.
            Furthermore I want to know why I am unable to be disappointed with the protocols and procedures in place by the federal gov’t and the fucking geniuses that staff the positions without being labeled a racist Obama hating redneck piece of shit creationist?

          • IBNO

            I am not “against looking at every possible angle.”

            I just know it’s lunacy to try to stop a virus by a travel ban. A travel ban affecting multiple countries that aren’t even geographically contiguous!

            It’s a non-starter. It won’t work. Why consider stuff that is so easily dismissed as virtually impossible to implement and ultimately won’t work?

            And we shouldn’t worry about the short-term. We should worry about the spread of the virus to more hosts, which gives it more chances to mutate and change into a form that is either more virulent, more infectious, has a longer incubation period, etc.

            You started out labeling failures of the administration at the highest levels. And your reactions have been in-line with what I’ve read of the radical Right. And you deny that race might have had any effect on Duncan’s death. 1+1+1=

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            ok IBNO, we can stop now , you’re being insulting and it won’t do any good for either of us at this point to keep going. If you feel i’m off base then that’s just how you feel. Ebolas gonna do what it does whether you think i’m a racist or not. I’m livid that i’m being labeled right now and yet, can do nothing about it.

          • IBNO

            I’m having what feels like overlapping discussions here. I’m scrolling through, trying to figure out where I lobbed the first “if you deny racism, you’re a racist” bomb. I’m not sure if that was at you or at BB.

            I don’t know how I’m being insulting when I say a travel ban won’t work, period, and that we should be working to stop transmission overseas. How is that being insulting? You don’t like being affiliated with the radical Right? Then stop saying the same things they are.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            IBNO, I am going to do some work now. I am disappointed in you.

          • IBNO

            Well, given how much of my life is wrapped up in your good opinion of me, I’m crushed.

            Seriously, I haven’t been on this blog in months. How is the disappointment of someone who clings to knee-jerk assessments (of how to stop Ebola and how the government failed at its job) going to hurt me?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            You are not affected by much I would imagine. You seem pretty fucking pleased with yourself.
            In short, I hope you get ebola. I keed I keed.

          • IBNO

            I’m pleased if we can come to an understanding. If maybe I can convince someone to let go of thinking there are simple solutions to complex problems. If maybe I can peel back some of what we THINK we know, and get down to how messy the reality underneath it is.

            I know you don’t really want me to get Ebola. And it’s good that you’re passionate about your beliefs.

            But they’re BELIEFS. Not facts. You BELIEVE we can travel-ban or quarantine to reduce or eliminate the threat. I believe differently, and can marshal a lot of facts to back up my belief.

            In the end, what I really, really, really want is for people to stop panicking and suggesting all sorts of things that “protect America” or “protect America first.” Because you know what? We’re immunizing kids in Jordan against pertussis, in order for them to be healthier, happier, and not want to come to the US and blow shit up. While at the same time, parents in the US are opting out of immunizing their kids against pertussis because of a phantom fear of autism. We do a lot of evil because of fear, and very little good.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            you know full well that the CDC is in full fucking crisis mode right now so you can admit it to everyone else on the blog. Full on crisis mode with fucking response teams ready to fly anywhere and do anything to try and limit or monitor or reduce the impact of what 1 or 2 fucking people with Ebola means to this country. They are looking at hundreds if not thousands of targets in only the last 15days including fuckign pets.
            In order to get you to admit it should I amend my statement to go out of my way to make sure that by Administration I certainly didn’t mean to insinuate that President Obama is over his head in any way and that by administration I simply mean the current set of leaders and systems in place to deal with the affairs of the country?

          • IBNO

            I don’t know anything about “full fucking crisis mode.” That sounds like MB’s Friday night plan if his date doesn’t show up.

            Again, I’ll post this:

            http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola

            The R0 for Ebola is 2. That means the average patient–WITHOUT PRECAUTIONS–will/can be expected to infect 2 other people. The R0 for SARS is 4. SARS is contagious–it passes through the air. Ebola does not.

            I am dubious about your “insider claim” that the CDC “is looking at hundreds if not thousands of targets”. And regarding dogs: http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas-pets.html

            Yeah, Spain overreacted in killing that nurse’s dog.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            dude, they are looking for 132 just from the Frontier airlines flight so they can be monitored.

          • IBNO

            How is this “full fucking crisis mode?” Calling up 132 passengers from a plane (they have names & contact information) and asking them if they feel sick, and/or what to do if they start feeling sick. That’s SOP.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            you and I both know that the first Ebola cases in the history of the country is putting the CDC in full crisis mode. This has so many moving parts to think this will be treated with some standard operating procedure is silly. It will be treated with the utmost concern and reactivity then, hopefully after only a few deaths, utmost proactivity.

    • Sactowns#1

      No that wasnt thunder, that was me face palming at these idiotic hyperboles. The Mexican Isis ebola terrorists arent coming to take your jobs and kill you, I promise. Since when did Americans turn into a bunch of freightened sheep?
      And FYI- trying to quarantine an entire region is actually counterproductive in these cases. It most likely will lead to political and social unrest and the greater dispersal of the population. But why bring facts into a chicken fight.

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        Sac, I will simply not let you try to paint me as some 80yr old scared grandma watching O’Reilly and putting my dead husbands retirement savings into Gold Bars. I won’t let it happen.

        • Sactowns#1

          Gold is the currency of the future. Lyndon Larouche was right!

          • GPLDAN

            Oh, you lose fuckloads of blog points for name dropping LL.

          • Sactowns#1

            lol I was trying to find the Simpsons clip of Homer saying it. It was sarcasm btw.
            http://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

          • GPLDAN

            I know. I think LL and L Ron are on a spaceship above Earth.

          • CanadaBear

            Is there room for H. Ross Perot?

          • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

            That guy’s still alive?

          • GPLDAN

            So is Walt Disney. Shhhhh.

          • CanadaBear

            Yep. Had to look it up. He’s 84.

          • BillW

            Walt looks much older than that.

  • BerwynBomber

    “Through six games the Bears are tenth in the league against the run.”
    Tucker’s done a good job. It’s been the biggest surprise of the year. The D is far from a finished project and probably only average at best but they’ve been kept us in nearly every game this year. And Fuller is a fucking stud/shutdown dude. What a draft pick!

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Will Hill playing next week for the Ravens is going to bother me so much.”
    Why? What did Hill do?

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      young talented safety that the Ravens took a chance on because he was suspended. He is Mike Brown compared to what we have back there currently. Jeff wanted Emery to take a shot on him on the cheap and i agree. We took a chance on an injured Ratliff and it worked out very well. Will Hill is a fucking idiot but in the right environment maybe it was a risk worth taking.

      • BerwynBomber

        Got it. Thanks.

  • BerwynBomber

    Hey, quick tech question. I’ve never been able to create paragraph spaces on here; that is, they show in the text box but once I post they’re gone and everything is pinched/cramped. Anyone know why? I use IE if that helps explain anything.

    • Jokey

      really?

      test

    • Jokey

      try firefox

      • BerwynBomber

        Thanks. That was the answer I didn’t want to hear. I’m stupidly tied to my browser even though people switch them up every second of every day.

  • BillW

    Fake spike comments –
    I actually thought it was illegal but looked it up – only a fake kneel down is.

    So what is the proper defense for it? Obviously to assume the offense is running a play.

    So what happens on a real spike when the O-line is playing loose and the defense – worrying it may be a fake spike – plays all out? QB gets pancaked and the ultra sensitive refs call “unnecessary roughness”?

    Fake spikes out to be penalized like fake kneel downs.

    And I agree with Jeff – it was a very risky play on Rodgers part.

    And one more point in honor of the Audibles section – don’t recall the team or exact circumstance but someone call an audible on a punt when it was fourth and about 25! Very similar circumstances to our 65’s play – though I think it was the protector who called a direct snap based on the coverage.

    • what happens if the NT goes diving under center and intercepts the spike? is that legal? i’ve always wondered why no one tries to do that.

    • TheBigCheesy

      Technically he didn’t even really fake it. He just used pre-snap gestures to insinuate that he was going to spike it. But he never really actually pump fakes to the ground. He just kind of keeps it.

      • BillW

        He yelled CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK. C’mon man!

        • TheBigCheesy

          Right, but that’s all pre-snap. Can you penalize it if the deception is only before the play? Maybe you can because the Manziel deception was all pre-snap. I agree that if the Manziel play is illegal, the fake snap should be too.

          • BillW

            Well I agree this starts getting real touchy. Maybe we can penalize Manning for yelling Omaha when he really means Billings Montana? I get your point.

            Maybe 15 yards for inappropriate language?

        • IBNO

          Sure he wasn’t yelling “Cock cock cock”?

          • CanadaBear

            I’d like to think he’s more discreet than that!

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    Here’s one for ma boyz shady: https://twitter.com/Carson19xx/status/521711627998347264/photo/1

    11, 20, 30, & 38 made me fucking lalz.

    18 shady… amiright?

    • Shady

      Que?

  • MB30SD

    paging Marc Trestman. Paying attention (hahahaha)?

    • CanadaBear

      I liked the spin-a-rama by the WR.

    • SC Dave

      That was funny. Despite all the deception, the WR still has to pull a move out of his ass to get open.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    Nothing takes the sting off of Wednesdays like a victory!

    • SC Dave

      Mankind seems to enjoy ritual. Carry on, Doc.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    So my grandma died this morning. Well into her 90s. Did it her way. No Polish broad on earth made a better meatball. Celebrating her life.

    Sorry for your loss Jeff.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Sorry to hear that, Penis. I haven’t read Jeff’s post yet so for now….condolences to you, mang.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Disregard. I see now that it was Jeff’s loss, not Penis’s. Sorry Jeff. Condolences man.

      • GPLDAN

        His Polish Gramma.

  • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

    sorry Jeff, losing our matriarchs and patriarchs is the worst. It’s a constant reminder of how short an amount of time we actually have on this earth.

    • SC Dave

      When my grandmother died at 100 a few years back, it was a bit of an inspiration. Being a mere pup of 51 at the time, I realized that it was quite possible I had *half my life* still in front of me.

      Did I *do* anything about it? Well, no. But it sure stopped me from thinking I was “old”.

      Condolences, Jefe. Somehow, I think you grandma knows there is a warm little corner of your heart she can visit whenever she wants.

  • CanadaBear

    Sorry to hear about your grandmother, Jeff. Don’t care how old she was it still hurts when they pass.

    I don’t get Jeff’s point about Rodgers being lucky. Every great QB is lucky. Rodgers is a great QB and an absolute douche as a teammate. Oh well.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah I didn’t get the point about Rodgers being lucky either. Unless he means all great players from time-to-time benefit from some luck. “Lucky” qbs to me are the Trent Dilfers of the world. Mediocre dudes who nonetheless manage to win a ring.

      • CanadaBear

        Being a media darling also seems to help with the luck. The top QB’s routinely get calls that shitty QB’s don’t. Not unlike Michael Jordan. The ball wouldn’t touch the floor once he got past half court and he’d never get called for traveling. Frustrating for sure but it’s been this way forever.

        • BillW

          Perhaps there is such a thing as mystique. The opposing team is subconsciously worried that the “lucky” player is going to pull something out of his ass. And when he does, they choke. That’s as good an explanation as any. No matter what they might say, the opponents subconsciously almost expect to lose.

          I started to believe in that after the Bartman game. No other explanation for the Cubs complete meltdown over the pitcher throwing a strike (that’s what a foul ball is).

          • CanadaBear

            Good point. Esp if the team facing Rodgers has been down that same road a few times (think Bears).

        • BerwynBomber

          MJ benefitted from calls and no-calls??? Pffffttt … Blasphemy! Dude earned everyone.

        • SC Dave

          This!!

      • SC Dave

        (All iirc, so…) When I was in San Antonio and David Robinson came up, he was mercilessly hacked for about three or four seasons. Finally, he bitched about it, saying he’d long since “paid his dues” in the NBA. At the top of the league in free throws for several subsequent seasons.

  • BillW

    I watched the play again – I suggest you take off your green and gold glasses Cheesy and watch it objectively. After the pass was caught, the receiver and defender “danced” for a second or so. Had the defender thought to simply go to his left (the sideline) the receiver would have been forced inside and tackled in bounds by someone. In fact, the longer it took to make a tackle, the less time Rodgers would have had to run another play (unless of course he scored).

    Having said that, it seems likely that no matter the result, there would have been enough time for a real spike and one last play.

    I think trick plays like that need to be outlawed. There are all kinds of rules already to avoid a situation where the defense could relax – for example, I seem to remember that it’s illegal to run a play with an offensive player within 5 yards of his bench. That’s to avoid a Wildcat type play where it looks like the QB is going to the bench to listen to a coach but the play is a direct snap to an RB or WR.

    The point of that and the illegal fake kneel down is two fold. First, given the size and speed of players, you don’t want a situation where a player is not expecting a block. Second, it’s football, not Simon Says or April Fool’s.

    • BerwynBomber

      I didn’t have a huge problem with it but I can see the point of outlawing it given that the rule itself allows QBs to intentionally ground a ball w/out being penalized for it. Still, I think people are making, for better or worse, way more out of that play than it deserves. From what I caught on NFL replay the other night, the key play of that drive was Rodgers converting a fourth and ten while getting clobbered. It also appeared he was running for his life a good deal of the game which makes me think either a) the Fish will be the best D we faced since Buffalo, b) the Cheese’s O-line is still shaky, or c) both a and b.

  • BillW

    Condolences, Jeff.

  • CanadaBear

    Hey MB, I wanted to let you know the Art Tour was great! I’ve got a PVR so missing the game live is not a big deal. Esp, here on the Island where the chances of someone telling me the results of today’s game is almost 0. Had to laugh about your post about the ex. Did she also fuck a bartender on a cruise? That was one funny movie. The sequels are OK but certainly a notch below the first one. If your ex was really like that, holy crap you must have been a slave to that pussy. That bitch was the worst.

    • MB30SD

      hahahaha… no. we were in love, and will always love each other I think. We were together 16 years (married 8). I never even thought about cheating and neither did she (I guess, as far as I know, but I know her). Anyway, the jealous piece was spot on, including turning away for a kiss cause she was pissed. Hilarious.

      Glad you had fun.

  • CanadaBear

    Mundy got fined $22K for that hit on Roddy White.

    • BillW

      A hit where they picked up the flag? The fans are expected to flock to a game where the officials can’t agree on what the rules are?

      Wilbur Marshall got a fine for a hit that most people thought was a bad call. (Of course, in today’s league he’d be banned). Wally Phillips (yes, I remember Wally Phillips) started the Wilbur Marshall Nickle Defense Fund, asking people to donate just a nickle to pay the fine. Banks and stores voluntarily set up collection jars. I don’t remember how much they raised – of course the money ended up going to Wally’s Kids.

      Which also reminds me of Steve Dahl’s parody song Oh Wally – sung to the tune of Barry Manilow’s Mandy (“Monday morning in the dark…I’m calling you from Tinley Park…”)

      And now back to the Ebola thread.

      • GPLDAN

        Somewhat odd that Dahl essentially morphed into Wally Phillips. Irony.

    • BerwynBomber

      Not surprising. I don’t know if Mundy was head-hunting, but like Blogfather I was surprised the refs waved off the flag. A fine seemed a fait accompli.

      • CanadaBear

        Once the refs picked up that flag, our D went into overtime trying to smack their receivers. Was the difference in the game.

    • here’s what pisses me off about that: Burfict got fined $25k for deliberately trying to injury an opponent after the play was over. Twice.

  • GPLDAN

    When I got my PS4, it didn’t support the PS Move. Those little light sticks you use for motion tracking.

    So, I couldn’t play my E-Bowlin game.

    • BillW

      Your humor is infectious.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “…the Shitty Fake Spike.”

    I posted this early tis week.
    The “Fake Spike’ should be illegal.
    It’s on a par with that “Johnny-Footbll-Yelling-at-the-Coach-on-sideline” play that was disallowed.
    The Spike is an EXCEPTION to the ground rule intended to allow offenses to stop the clock and ONLY for that.
    It was never intended to becaome part of a QBs “bag of tricks” that Dan Mariona inspired.
    Commissioner Albert’s rule: The Spike is allowed only as a measure for the offense to kill the clock at the cost of a down. The spike can only be executed with the QB UNDER CENTER.. If the QB makes any king of deceptive move to make a play look like a spike but then tries to continue play, the play will be immediately blown dead, a 5 yard illegal proceduce penalty will be assessed and, if appropriate, a 10 second clock runoff applied.

    • TheBigCheesy

      agree

    • BillW

      I’ve posted the same a couple times today not realizing you had said essentially the same thing in an earlier thread. I’ll gladly pay the appropriate royalty fee.

      I think the spike is technically not an exception to the grounding rule. Could be wrong but I think grounding is only when the QB intentionally throws an incomplete pass while in the pocket to avoid a sack. If no sack is imminent then it’s not grounding. At least that’s how I remember it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I disagree.I believe that “spike” used to be intentional grounding and they eventually allowed an exception for clock stopping to help
        the offense.

        • BillW

          Could well be. In any event, the distinction is made since the QB is not trying to avoid a sack.

          Totally different point, but I think if a QB is going to “ground” the ball when out of the pocket there ought to be some reward to the defense besides the loss of down. Maybe five yards?

          • AlbertInTucson

            “..reward the defense…” ?!?!?
            HERATIC!
            Stone him! STONE HIM!

  • TheBigCheesy

    “So my grandma died this morning. Well into her 90s. Did it her way. No Polish broad on earth made a better meatball. Celebrating her life.”

    This an impressively touching tweet.

    • GPLDAN

      How big a Bears fan is Jeff? Even his gramma was Polish.

      • I used to live with a Polish fam.
        They eat a lot of soup. I don’t think there was ever a time when their fridge never had a big vat of soup in it.

  • Looking at the run D, like Jeff mentioned…

    here’s an in-depth look at the numbers and how they’ve improved as the season progresses (even factoring in strength of opponent):

    http://dabearsbeat.com/2014/10/15/chicagos-run-defense-continues-to-improve/

    • BillW

      If there isn’t an Ebola conversation in there, I’m not reading it.

      • GPLDAN

        If you reorder the letters in Ebola it spells Labia. As in cunt.

        So there’s that, Bill.

        • BillW

          Major AND minor?

          (Did I actually type that?)

          • GPLDAN

            that post added no value.

          • BillW

            sniff…

          • GPLDAN

            …i called and you gave me some cotton pantyhose….with the cotton panel…

          • BillW

            OK – I’m way out of my league here. I don’t get that at all and I suspect it will suffer greatly in the translation.

          • GPLDAN

            this

          • BillW

            Oh wait – YFVM

          • CanadaBear

            I think that acronym applies more to MB. He seems to get in more fucking than the rest of us.

          • GPLDAN

            He’s the Doctor. Doctor Strange.

          • BillW

            Yes – HFVM from what I read

        • Scharfinator

          No it doesn’t. You’re bad at spelling. 😛

          • SC Dave

            I was going to ask if there was a translation to some other language involved. GP can be clever…

    • CanadaBear

      Nice job as always JW. Thanks for doing the research.

    • SC Dave

      Looks like we’ll see this week just how far things have come. Perhaps next analysis, you might want to check the home / away stats for grins.

      • next analysis will be at the bye (bunch of analysis coming up then), and I’ll look at how effectively teams have run it in all the different areas (left tackle, left guard, left edge, etc)

  • BillW

    I have little to add to the Ebola conversation except my concern of going to the Dallas game.

    However just read that the second nurse to contract it was on a flight from Cleveland the day before she got symptoms.

    Now from what everyone says you can’t contract it until a person has symptoms. But it’s a legitimate question as to if that’s technical true first – but more important, can you have symptoms without knowing it? What technically is a symptom? Is there a definitive start time? That is – I didn’t have symptoms until exactly 1:04:52 PM?

    And / or is she lying when she says when she first felt symptoms?

    I used to enjoy reading Tom Clancy novels – but of course the responses to extreme problems were laughably simplistic (one was declaring an entire day of trading as a do-over.) One novel had the country if not the world suspend all travel for some period of time as a virus spread from a terrorist group.

    • Scharfinator

      True – the first symptom is… duh nah nuh… a headache. Sounds like a normal day to me. Then again, hopefully a *nurse* would know to say it was a symptom?

      • That sounds pretty horrible.
        Start monday with a headache. End sunday with Ebola.
        Not a good week.

        • MB30SD

          did we win at least?

    • IBNO

      Bill, you raise a legitimate concern: when is it infectious?

      The thing is, if she has a headache, how is she spreading the virus? It’s spread most commonly through vomitus, feces, and blood.

      • Scharfinator

        It’s any bodily fluids. Saliva/mucus being the easy ones to transfer in close proximity (sneezing)

        • IBNO

          Wrongo.

          Bodily fluids, right. Including sweat, mucous, urine, semen, etc. But that fluid must enter your body through broken skin or through a mucous membrane.

          http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/index.html

          If it was “easy… to transfer in close proximity (sneezing)” that would make Ebola contagious, not infectious.

          So, a person with a headache who sneezes on a plane? You’d have to get her sneeze onto a cut, or have her sneeze into your mouth or up your nose.

          Every case that’s been documented so far by the CDC has been via blood, feces, or vomit.

          • MB30SD

            eeeeewwwwwww.

            And I trust the fucking spy hunter over the restayouz (and we share the white safety in college thing. Ohh rah!)

          • IBNO

            Go Free Safety Power!

            /Head butt
            //Conte gets concussed

          • Scharfinator

            So… you’ve never smelled someone’s sneeze before? In close quarters? I think that’s happened to everyone.

            Also, haven’t you heard? According to CNN, Ebola is the ISIS of diseases!!!

          • MB30SD

            smelled a sneeze!?!?!

  • For the record, I was the one who brought the factoid that we were ranked #10 in run D.
    Another factoid i heard from the Score:

    Who rushed the most vs our D this year? (no google).

    • GPLDAN

      I’ll guess the Jets.

      • Person, not team, but no – he was not on the Jets.

        Here’s a gift basket of used MB condoms.

        • GPLDAN

          Thank you, I will use the sperm to create a race of half robot – half Jew safeties such that the Big Ten can become relevant again.

          I’ll go with Fred Jackson then.

          • MB30SD

            pac 12

    • BillW

      Please – not a Packer!

      • BillW

        The suspense was killing me and so I looked it up. Won’t spoil the answer but it’s not real surprising.

    • BerwynBomber

      The Bills wasn’t it? They broke two huge runs that I remember that probably accounted for 100+ yards alone.

  • Will Young has more sacks than 4 teams.
    Also, if my math is correct, Young has 7 more sacks than the entire Rams team thus far.
    The more you know…

    • BillW

      The Rams do have a sack. But from what I heard that is a record for futility at this point in the season.

      Who was the DC who said sacks were not important? Was it Blanche? Seems like it was after him. Not Marinelli…or was it?

      • They finally racked up a sack? Didn’t know that.
        7 games into the season, pretty awful.

      • CanadaBear

        It was Blache. I knew what he meant but people just went nuts over the statement. I liked Blache as a DC. The D came to play when he was the DC.

        • BillW

          Agreed

        • BillW

          And I liked how he handled the media. I don’t remember the topic or situation but I recall him saying something like “if we didn’t improve there I knew you guys would rip me a new one.”

    • Trac

      53-7=46. Am I right Doc?

  • Hey, we were just discussing Red Grange (things never said outside this blog).

    Check this Illi Unis out in his honor

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/view-illinois-to-wear-gray-ghost-uniforms-to-honor-red-grange/

  • AlbertInTucson

    I hate these.

    “When is the last time the Bears, six games through a season, had someone in the top ten in the league in…”

    When was the last time they gave out trophies six games into a season?

    And if the season ended today, the Bears miss the playoffs.

    • CanadaBear

      Yeah, gotta agree. I understand Jeff pointing it out. He’s got to write something and these facts are interesting. No more than that. If we manage to get healthy this year we might be able to slip into the playoffs. Not holding my breath because we need a few things to go right for us health wise and that really hasn’t happened in the last 1.5 years.

      • MB30SD

        honestly canada, I think if we get healthy… we storm into the playoffs.

        • CanadaBear

          I’m so beat down by all the injuries I just don’t see it ending well. Really hope I’m wrong because there is some talent on the roster.

          • MB30SD

            totally understand, trust me. But at some point it’s gotta stop and we have to get some luck coming our way.

    • So do the Seahawks.

    • Trac

      Yes but it’s much better than the alterior.

  • MB30SD

    sorry about your grandmama jeff. Long life maings.

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    There was a time in Hollywood when the answer to “Who should star in our cop movie?” was Billy Crystal & Gregory Hines. Hollywood sucks now.”

    Love that movie.

  • BillW

    Speaking of Ebola – all I know is I’m glad I kept all that duct tape and plastic sheeting I bought during the anthrax scare.

  • IBNO

    I’m officially done with the Ebola talk. And with constantly reiterating my position on racism & denying its effects. Sorry to distract from football.

    • MB30SD

      100%. Let’s all stop freaking out… for now.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Piss on NBC’s Dr. Nancy Snyderman for thumbing her nose at the quarantine. She should resign her position at NBC. What she did was shameful, not to mention self-serving and arrogant.

    • beninnorcal

      Hey, lets talk about Ebola, ya racists.

    • Cormonster

      Your a teacher? What type of classes do you teach? Do you teach at a University? Just curious.

      • MB30SD

        no. he’s a spy hunter.

        And that info is on a need to know basis… and you don’t need to know soldier.

        • Cormonster

          If he’s a spy hunter, why is he race-baiting on the blog?

          • MB30SD

            spy hunters iz peoplez too maings.

            I didn’t get the race-baiting. where did that happen?

          • Cormonster

            Kudos to them. They have done a great job in the Middle East over the last 15 years.

  • DSupreme

    All I got today is a MUTHA FUCK Rodgers… That BITCH!!! #BearDown

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Latest on the OL drama, Bushrod (limited) was back in practice today but now Jordan Mills DNP because of his foot. Geez! However, Shea practiced in full, which should put him on track to play Sunday.

    • MB30SD

      YAY!!!!

      • Bender McLugh

        Yay for Shea, no doubt

        • MB30SD

          100%

          the LAST thing we should do is change the line up from last week. Keep the EXACT same guys in and see if they do as well. Why throw some C-level linebacker into the mix.

    • no Briggs or DJ in practice, and Trestman already said no Briggs tomorrow.

      Bushrod back is HUGE

      • GPLDAN

        No, Chicken Dinner is HUGE. He’s like LT was to the Parcell era Giants!

        • MB30SD

          hahahaha…

      • ESP vs Cameron Wake. That dude is a manimal. The Fin’s pass rush is no joke; they beat the shit out of Vadgers.
        Not sure Cutty would execute the same in equal conditions.

  • Doc Hamstring

    I had thought that the fake spike was illegal, but I guess it’s not? Why make it illegal? If the defense is going to snooze, they get what they deserve.

    Rodgers was less lucky and more tricky. So let’s look down our noses at Green Bay for having to trick Miami into losing.

    If the Bears beat Miami convincingly, I predict BigCheesy will come here to gloat that Cutler isn’t as tricky as Rodgers…

    • Trac

      If the Bears beat Miami? Their ass is grass. Ahem, I mean, Dolpins Dead!

    • BillW

      Whatever the coaches did last week I hope they do the same. This is no time to think everything is OK (even if it is).

      I know the fans will be crazy Sunday.

    • EnderWiggin

      Fake spike is only illegal when you spike it after the fake. Caleb Hanie lost us a game this way. Faked a spike, then spiked the ball. Penalty – loss of down (I think) and 10 second runoff.

      • BillW

        The whole thing is a weird loophole when you think of it. It’s an loss of down timeout that requires the team to be lined up legally and not false start – and doesn’t take a time out.

        I would not surprised at all if Thurs/Sun/Mon we see a QB get blowed up when executing a real spike. The DCs will be telling their team to not fall for it and the only way would be to rush hard even if the QB is yelling CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK.

        And that’s the issue I have with its legality. You’re telling the defense you are not running a play and then running one. No different than a fake kneel down in that regard.

        • Trac

          Then you’d have to erase Hester’s TD on that missed FG when he pretended there wouldn’t be a return. Sneakery has its place Bill.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Apples and Oranges.

            Everyone knows (or should know) that a missed field goal in the field of play is live. Hester didn’t return it because he faked it, he saw that he was up against nothing but a kicker, a holder and 9 wide bodies to negotiate and realized it was like getting a freebie.

            If you are going to allow fake spikes, then you can’t cry when a D-lineman blasts across on a REAL spike, blows up your QB and says “Sorry, but I saw him fake it last week.”

            Repeating myself but I contend the spike is already a rule exception. Special dispensation, if you will, for all you current or former Catholics. It should not be used foranything other than what the “exception” was granted for. Stopping the clock.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Sorry about your Grandma Jeff, I lost mine 3 Years ago at 96. Tough Polish Lady as well. A second Mom to me for sure. Miss her and continue to Love her…best you can do. Besides, you’ll see her again someday, and that will be a good day. Amen.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I saw our building maintenance man in the hallway today and we always talk NFL. He was raised in Cincinnati so he a big Bengals fan and knows that I’m from Chicago. First thing he says to me when he sees me is “Will the real Chicago Bears please stand up?”. I told him we are all hoping the “real” Bears were the ones that played in Atlanta.

    I have some serious confidence in our Bears, After the Atlanta Game I think we can really man-handle Miami, No mistakes and we’re going to grab another “W”.

  • EnderWiggin

    Crap. It is going to get confusing around here of Fridays…
    https://twitter.com/zachzaidman/status/522473553325592576

    • A little early to nickname him. What if he bombs? Then it’ll be “The Rev” needing divine intervention.

      • MB30SD

        hush yo mouth!

        • Can’t nickname someone off ONE game.
          That’s like someone coming in here and earning a nick name after one comment.
          Can’t. Do. It.

          • MB30SD

            I agree… but I was talking about you saying he might bomb. Stop jinxing it! We may have found our MLB for the rest of the year if he plays erra game like sunday.

            That said, he’s been on the team for a while, no?

          • No. Sharpton was with the Texans last year and LB coach Herring.
            Cushing went down, he stepped up, then led the team in tackles.
            Don’t know why they let him go, maybe inj, maybe Cushing coming back, but Sharpton landed on the SKins this offseason, but then hurt himself, and was let go.
            Herring jumped all over that.
            That’s why he didn’t look clueless like Bostic. Sharpton knows exactly what his assignments are.
            The knock on him was that he was more of an undersized 3-4 ILB with coverage limitations, but he looked pretty awesome to me.
            Then again, when you haven’t eaten in a while, crackers are fantastic.

          • Trac

            What impressed you the most about him MB?

          • MB30SD

            see below. I didn’t even watch the game, just read the box scores, read some press, listened to you guys.

            But you knew all this. ; )

          • Trac

            Doc did it. Hahaha

  • Houston, we got a problem.
    Here’s a romp in logic. IF Houston was a beast with the Raiders (not exactly the bastion of talent, scheme and dominance), then why the hell is he so “bleh” on the Bears?

    1. Our coaching and scheme is inferior to the Raiders
    2. Houston has cashed in and threw it on cruise control
    3. Houston has some sort of mystery ailment of which we’re not aware.
    4. Maybe Bears are just asking him to plug up the line
    5. A mixture of all the above.

    Season is still early, so I hope Houston picks it up, but so far he hasn’t jumped off the screen.

    • CanadaBear

      He’s pretty much as advertised. Run stuffer, gets some push and gets lots of hurries but isn’t a closer. That was everything I read coming into the season. All of that is pretty much spot on. We just over paid.

      • But Emery and gang were selling it that Houston was THIS close to many sacks (much like with Young).
        But I agree. If he is merely a run stuffer, we severely overpaid (that’s what happens when a team’s desperate).
        I’d still like to see Houston more in the 3tech, but when Allen got ill, that pretty much forced him solely outside.

        • CanadaBear

          I think they were going to kick him inside more but Rat is back, Paea is playing his best football and the new guys are holding their own. I agree about being skeptical about guys blowing up in the last year of a contract but I don’t think Paea is THAT GUY. Could be totally wrong but I always thought he had some talent if he could just get healthy.

          • SC Dave

            Like Dusty, who never did get healthy

  • Shady
    • MB30SD

      Hee hee

  • Shady

    Coach Killers, Week 6: Lovie Smith, defensive guru, has terrible defense

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24752040/coach-killers-week-6-lovie-smith-defensive-guru-has-terrible-defense

    “Absolutely not, we’re not going to change our scheme,” Smith said after the Ravens game. “We’ve been doing this scheme every year I’ve been in the league. I believe in it. We’re not coaching it and we’re not playing it as well as we need to. Zero chance that we change our scheme.”

    A lot of this can be fixed with a better pass rush, which is a critical component to the success of any Cover-2 scheme. Smith admitted as much Monday, but the reality is that even if this Bucs squad morphs into the 2002 team that won the Super Bowl, it’s still not very good.

    Lost amid all the Ravens’ touchdowns is that the Bucs’ offensive line was historically bad Sunday. According to ESPN Stats & Info, quarterback Mike Glennon was sacked or under pressure on 26 of his 49 dropbacks. That 63-percent mark is the highest for any quarterback in the last five years.

    “We’re not as talented as we need to be in some areas,” Smith said Sunday, which is an odd thing to say after spending some $55 million in the offseason and further reinforces our “be wary of offseason champs” theory. … “We have been very disappointed in two football games that we’ve played, where we just haven’t looked like ourselves. Besides that, there still are good things looking at the overall picture.”

    • Trac

      Lovie will be lucky if he makes it to his 3rd year of his contract.

      • MB30SD

        Yeah trac… good luck with all that.

    • AlbertInTucson

      As we well know, it all starts with the offensive line.

      If you can’t protect your QB, your defense better be puttin’ up 14 points a game and in a league that can’t WAIT to find ways to increase offense, that just ain’t a gonna happen.

      • Shady

        “As we all know” Yes, all of us except one Mr. Lovie Smith.

  • Trac

    If Cleveland goes to the playoffs this year, they’d be crazy not to keep Hoyer as their starter and give him a contract.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/15/hoyer-disputes-report-that-its-him-or-manziel-in-cleveland/

    • BillW

      Agree 100 percent. Johnny was a gimmick pick to draw fans. But nothing draws fans more than winning.

      • Shady

        I like your new avatar.

  • BillW

    Cutler not calling the Surface tab by its name. Someone getting fined for using beats instead of bose headphones.

    What next? Fines for wiping your butt with the wrong tp? . And why is there no official condom of the nfl?

    Is it Sunday yet?

    • Trac

      There is, his name is Jerrah Jones.

      • Shady

        I thought it was Jimmy Johnson.

    • BillW

      Funniest line in A League of Their Own:
      Did anyone tell you that you look like a penis with a hat on?

  • Shady

    Look at it, MB. Look at it!!

    theconcourse.deadspin.com/look-at-this-fat-dog-1646670014/+samer

    • comment of the day:

      “Eddie Lacy thinks this is just a bad angle.”

      • MB30SD

        Hahahahaha

      • MB30SD

        this was my fav: “You know whose anonymity shouldn’t be protected? Whoever did that grout work.”

    • MB30SD

      Look at it… I can’t stop looking at it!!!

      It’s… beautiful.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “What’s wrong with ketchup on a hot dog?” asks @castrovince. “It’s America.” America gives us the freedom to say no to ketchup on hot dogs.

    Well Lah-Dee-Dah.

    What are you? The FOOD POLICE or the CULINARY NAZIS??

    Feel free to take your “What to Have On What You Eat Because I Know What’s Best For You” rules and go pound sand.

    • Shady

      No soup for you!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Larry Thomas on SEINFELD.

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