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Audibles From the Long Snapper: Briggs Couldn’t Lead a Conga Line, Jones a Nogo…

| October 22nd, 2014

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IS LANCE BRIGGS OVER YET?

Per a Patrick Finley report in the Sun-Times (and many other reports), Lance Briggs left the Bears locker room during Brandon Marshall’s tirade after the team’s humiliating loss to the Dolphins:

“I just left because I could see where things were kinda going,” he said on his weekly Comcast Sports Net show, which airs Tuesday night. “And I knew that when you get emotional there are moments when, you get in an argument and both people are emotional, you’re not going to get anywhere, continuing to argue.”

So let me get this straight. Lance Briggs is the team’s most veteran presence and supposedly leader of an entire side of the ball. Instead of sharing his views with Marshall and the team or, you know, leading…he LEFT THE LOCKER ROOM?! Has any player revealed themselves to have less character over these past two seasons than Lance Briggs? From his Twitter outbursts regarding the team moving on from veterans to his refusal to speak with media for much of 2013, Briggs has become a player whose brilliant prime in Chicago is starting to fill like a distant memory.

CHANDLER JONES OUT FOR PATS

I am not the biggest Chandler Jones guy in the world, especially after spending much of yesterday watching every snap he’s taken in 2014. Yes he can be a productive sack man but he’s useless against the run and often goes invisible for quarters at a time. That still doesn’t prohibit him from being one of the best defenders on the Patriots. He’s out Sunday. Details from ESPN:

Patriots won’t have an easy task in replacing Jones, who has made numerous key plays including a blocked field goal that he returned for a touchdown against the Minnesota Vikings.

On the season, Jones has 4.5 sacks and 21 total tackles as well as a forced fumble and a fumble recovery. Jones also has been the main defensive end opposite Rob Ninkovich as Jones has played 414 of 478 defensive snaps this season (86.6 percent).

Rookie defensive lineman Dominique Easley, the Patriots’ top pick from the 2014 draft who has battled shoulder and knee injuries this season, projects as a potential fill-in for Jones.

This is not a good defense, with or without Jones. But are the Bears a good offense?

DBB SIDE GIG: ART OF MEN

I have been spending a lot of my time working with an organization called Art of Men. The organization was founded upon a single premise: providing an outlet for men across the country to engage in social projects in their community. We will be launching major initiatives in Chicago this coming year. This past weekend we brought 75 seniors from a Manhattan center to their first Broadway musical. You can read about the event and see some amazing video by clicking here: ART OF MEN: SENIORS.

Here are two amazing videos that summed up the experience. One of our seniors, Maria Vasquez, anticipating the experience of seeing her first Broadway show after sixty years of living in New York City:

Here is Maria inside the Music Box Theatre, after the show:

I recommend everybody go and check out the site at ArtofMen.org and if you have a few extra moments, click the Join US button and sign up. There’s nothing required after sign-up. But since we launched the site only a week ago it would be great to start populating it.

A FEW QUESTIONS TO PONDER…

(1) Why didn’t Brandon Marshall light up the Bears locker room at halftime? The team was just as awful over the first thirty minutes as they were over the entire sixty.

(2) Do we read into Jay Cutler not appearing with Waddle & Silvy for his weekly spot? Treatment? I have no interest in re-watching the Dolphins game to see if there were any particularly rough hits. The Bears didn’t bother playing the game once. I ain’t watching it twice.

(3) When did this word “elite” become such a debate topic? Who gives a shit if a player is elite? Why is Phil Emery even wading into the waters of this discussion? Eli Manning is a borderline terrible regular season quarterback. He doesn’t have to give back the Super Bowls, does he? Jay Cutler had a team in the NFC title game. He had the following year’s team poised for a run. He can get it done.

(4) Why are the Bears blindly supporting Jordan Mills? He’s a late draft pick not some millionaire first rounder. If there is a better option, play the better option! It doesn’t end Mills’ career to be benched once. Sure didn’t end Terry Bradshaw’s career.

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  • GPLDAN

    1st. Briggs taking a hike is a metaphor for the whole team, isn’t it?

    It can be summed up in this phrase:

    Doooooooooooon’t Care.

    Because he doesn’t. The QB doesn’t. Both him and Peanut were sore about the Lovie regime and were never going to get over it – both in hindsight should have been moved on and the cap room used to find other players.

    Too many mercenaries and no leaders.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Briggs is a ‘me’ first player, and always has been. It has been apparent with every hold out or threatened hold out. He is exactly as you said a mercenary. For many years we have had clear leaders on both sides of the ball, whether it was Kreutz on the O or Lach on the D. You could tell just by watching the games who was the leader. When they talked team mates/media/fans took notice. That is what is lacking on this team. Does BMs outburst in the locker room help cement him as a leader? Is BM the player that is a good leader? Who is there on the D? I’ve seen no one. No defensive vet has stepped up, and you can’t really expect any rookies to take charge. The D needs an identity that only a Leader can provide.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        There is NO ONE. Tillman would be the closest but his injury took him right out of that role as well as off the field. You can’t lead from the sideline as a player. You can’t draft leadership either. That has to come with time. Briggs has made no attempt to hide his lack of interest. We lost the last “leader” on that team when we lost Urlacher. Yeah, he was kind of a bone-head at the end there but he still could light up the D like no other.

        Face it, the road ahead for the Bears is a Long and bumpy one and the street lights are out.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        I just read the bears are rotating captains this year. What is this high school football? No wonder there’s no leadership.

        • CanadaBear

          Iron Mike said they are doing that because they don’t have any de facto leaders. Most of the time I take Iron Mike with a grain of salt but I think he’s correct on this topic.

          • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

            I hear that. Many of the players just seem too cool and nonchalant. But if coach Nessman declared say Mullet, cutler, Marshall, and Briggs captains . Dudes would follow them. And with that role thrust upon them some of those guys may end up shining in that role. Hell B Marsh already fits the bill. The way he takes guys like Alshon under his wing, the way he plays and fights for yards, and his willingness to be vocal, he seems like a natural fit.

            Rotating captains? Ridiculous. Maybe Nessman should rotate play calling duties or give everybody a chance at QB? What is this, little League?

          • CanadaBear

            Exactly!

        • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

          I hear that. Many of the players just seem too cool and nonchalant. But if coach Nessman declared say Mullet, cutler, Marshall, and Briggs captains . Dudes would follow them. And with that role thrust upon them some of those guys may end up shining in that role. Hell B Marsh already fits the bill. The way he takes guys like Alshon under his wing, the way he plays and fights for yards, and his willingness to be vocal, he seems like a natural fit.

          Rotating captains? Ridiculous. Maybe Nessman should rotate play calling duties or give everybody a chance at QB? What is this, little League?

        • AlbertInTucson

          Have to agree. “Rotating Captains” smells like “Everybody Gets A Trophy”.

          • BillW

            Jonathon said several teams do this. In the big picture maybe it’s no big deal, but still the “participation trophy” aspect is a concern.

            Not surprisingly Ditka hates this idea. He said his teams (and I’m sure most if not all) votes on captains – no coach input. And he rightfully said being a captain is something you earn.

            And therein perhaps lies the problem. No one has earned it and Trestman knew it. So rather than have a 25 way tie of players with 2 votes each, he went this route.

        • guest

          Rotating captains happens on most NFL teams.

          Jeff made the comment “This is not a good defense, with or without Jones.”, but they’re the #1 pass defense in the league.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Barb, calling your favorite team a loser franchise begs the question why you would root for them at all.
    Comparing us to Browns fans? GTFO.
    We’re hardly THAT low.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      That’s a poor attempt of distorting my ideas.
      I think it’s insane calling out Browns fans for rooting like crazy for a losing franchise. As is calling me out for rooting for a losing franchise. When I’m writing ‘insane’ I mean ‘crazy’.
      Talk about the ‘bandwagoners’ concept at it’s best.

      PS: I dislike Baseball as much as any sport, but from what I understand there are a huge amount of Cubs fans. Anyone in the building ?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I can’t distort your idea because I have no clue what you mean.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Sorry, but you have no clue in general.
          In your mind the Browns fans have right to root for the Browns because the Browns franchise is pathetic.
          At a minimum they must think their franchise is the best in the world.

          Recap: For you a fan must root for a winning club or be dumb.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Der der der der.
            In my mind, if you have no hope…if you really believe the team you follow is a “loser”, then why are you wasting your time? Why wouldn’t you take up knitting or whatever rustic activities are allowed in your village?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You moron… there’s a difference between ‘hope’ and ‘reality’.

            In you’re minimal IQ way, you’re saying that a Brown fan is 1. losing his time rooting for the Browns or 2. thinks his franchise is a winning one.

            I mean…for fucks sake… how stupid can you be ?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            For a linguistically challenged, goat fucking mouth breather like yourself, who lurks on dead threads with his negative Nancy bullshit like it’s his only hobby, you sure have a mouth on you.
            Get bent and follow a different team, you piece of rotten fuck stick, and let the grown ups talk.

          • Scott W.

            If that’s the minimum, what would be the maximum?

            How can one have no clue in general? The premise doesn’t work. In general.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            it’s pretty basic stuff… a second grader would understand it.
            the minimum is they must be delusional’ the maximum is they can’t root for the Browns, period. How can someone root for a losing franchise ?

          • Scott W.

            Of course, if actual reason is too elusive, there’s always the devastating accusation that one’s mother wears army boots…
            No, wait; that was third grade.
            Disregard.

      • guest

        The Browns were in the ‘superbowl’ ten years in a row, winning seven of them. All during the ten year career of a guy nobody ever talks about when discussing the GOAT QBs.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Calling the Patriots “not a good defense” is plain false and highly unproductive. If they light them up you’ll say ‘well, they are bad’. If they shut down the Bears O you’ll say ‘how come they were shut down by those bums?”.

    Facts are: the Patriots D is 7th in the NFL for yards allowed per play and 1st in the NFL in TURNOVERS.

    That’s close to elite.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Cutler’s no-show was a healthy scratch. Silvy said as much on more than one occasion. He just didn’t want to show up.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Again… people miss the entire point. Questions shouldn’t be asked about the actions of the sport player, who -by definition- is spoiled, selfish, arrogant and rich.
      The real question is about the fucking culture the franchise has. Going or not going to that gig is/should/must be the Bears organization decision. You don’t let individuals do whatever they want. You have ho say go or don’t go and let people know it was a club decision.

      • CanadaBear

        Not sure about Romania but in North America your employer can’t dictate what you do on your off time.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          If only we were all as wise as Barb, so we could get the entire point.
          Boy, do I feel stupid.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          you might be the only person in the world that thinks that show is an ‘off time’ gig. LOL.
          what’s next ? Bill Belichick talks about his personal life on his weekly radio show on WEEI ?

          • CanadaBear

            Whatever.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Whatever indeed.

            “San Jose Police suspends officers’ off-duty work with San Francisco 49ers”

            San Jose-> California-> United States of America-> North America

          • CanadaBear

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Not sure about North America but in Romania ‘zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz’ means nothing.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Wow. Mind. Blown.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            that was a conflict of interest story. Ray McDonald called a specific police officer, who worked security and was friends with Ray, when he beat up his girlfriend.

            http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_26711248/case-49ers-ray-mcdonald-illustrates-potential-conflicts-interest

            when it comes, to the respectability of an organization whether a police department, NFL team, or any other business, the bosses can dictate what you do in the off time when it leads to concerns of their business. for the most part its a PR move. As far as Cutler and the radio show, while the Bears organization could influence him not to do it, it is not their call. I am pretty sure he didn’t show up because he knew he would get hammered.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            it’s the same thing. As you said, it’s PR. For the BEARS !!!

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            how is that the same thing? Your example about the San Jose Police, is a public safety issue, it implies preferential treatment to an entity by a local government agency, which by far outweighs Cutler’s no show on a radio show. I don’t know how things are in Romania but here in the states it is severely frowned upon if there is any kind of controversy when it involves government agencies, especially LOCAL agencies.

      • GPLDAN

        Rich Cohen said it best: at different stages of development, teams need different types of coaches.

        This particular team isn’t well suited for a cerebral, Walsh wannabe. The only person who responds well to that style is Cutler, who likes Trestman and the intellectual approach. THe rest of the team is under-performing.

        It’s clear we missed out by not keeping Old Sauce around as DC. He’s kicking ass in Dallas with a talent level below what we have.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Nooo… the coach doesn’t mean much. Not even the GM. The Bears are dysfunctional at the top.

          • GPLDAN

            Teddy?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            If only Virginia had some fire in her belly that wasn’t lactose-related, these Bears would be kicking some ass!

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Virginia should get the fuck out of the way. Just watch what happened with the Blackhawks.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Can you explain your reasons on why the coaches don’t mean that much in the determination of success?

        • BerwynBomber

          Actually, the only players who seem to be responding to Trestman are Forte, Bennett and at times the O-line.

    • Scott W.

      Gotta admit, we are a fun bunch to watch during the season.

  • GPLDAN

    Corm –

    I want to hear more about Abbie the ghost. I believe you think you saw what you saw, even though I think ghosts don’t exist I am interested in the idea of the suggestion. My working theory is that since your neighbors said “have you seen Abbie yet?” they planted a kind of group think into your mind where you were ready to see her in your subconscious. This is why Ouija boards work – neither party THINKS they are moving the Oracle, it moves because of elements of the subconscious such that your conscious mind doesn’t even know what it will spell. It’s called the ideomotor effect. It’s like merging the dream state with the awake state.

    Was she ethereal or corporeal? (Did she look like a ghostbusters ghost or like a person?)

    When you say you couldn’t understand her, did she speak backwards like a Beatles track, or was it another language or was it just too quiet?

    Did you get a reciprocated motion? Like wave to her and she waved back?

    Thanks.

    • Scott W.

      God, how did I miss this story?

    • Cormonster

      I was just messing around. Every part of the story is true except for the ghost part. I scared the shit out of a few new neighbors over the years by asking them if they met Abbie yet. I would tell them I’m just joking, but a few of them would still be spooked for a while.

      • GPLDAN

        Oh that’s too bad. I’m always interested to talk to people who think they’ve seen a ghost.

        • CanadaBear

          Just do cocaine with a bunch of idiot women. Every time I was in that situation the conversation always ended up being about ghosts and the supernatural. I wasn’t into cocaine at all. Just wanted to fuck one of the abusers!!!!!!!

          • GPLDAN

            (Jotting down in my notebook)

            “If wish to talk ghosts – fuck truck stop hookers with lots o coke”

            This life lesson book is shaping up awesomely.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Can’t say that a down Bears season doesn’t still entertain….

          • CanadaBear

            Always trying to add value!

        • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

          My stepmother claims to see spirits. I don’t think she’s nuts but then, she did marry my dad.

  • CanadaBear

    Lance isn’t a leader but he’s not the problem. The problems are we are short on talent on D, injuries, Nessman and Cutler has regressed.

    Last year I saw real improvement in Cutler and even though we lost to the Fudgies last year, Cutler played well enough to win and gave me hope for the future. In the off season there is always lots of hype, rainbows and unicorns and I bought into the theory that the O would take the next step. Little did I know the next step was back down. For both Cutler and Nessman. Jay’s mechanics have regressed and his decision making has regressed. Unless he gets his shit together and Nessman grows a pair, we’re fucked in the immediate future. We’re stuck with Cutler for 2 more years and who knows how long PE will put up with Nessman.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      I guess I’m an outlier now – I think the problem is a defense that cannot stop an decent offense more than once per half. I mean, Green Bay this year…that’s one thing. But Miami?!?
      It’s not like Jay had a four pick game. He threw one absolutely astonishingly bad interception. Each of the drops at the end of the game hit the receiver squarely in the hands.

      • CanadaBear

        I agree the D is not good. The DL is the only healthy group on D. Not to mention PE spent a fortune on it. The LB’s are horrible (partly due to injuries but mostly due to lack of talent), safeties are below avg and not because of injuries and CB is touch and go. If Fuller misses much time we are absolutely screwed back there. I don’t like PE as much as a lot of posters. I think he’s done OK but not great. His last 2 drafts have been good but he leaves massive holes on the roster (esp on D). I don’t blame the D as much due to injuries and lack of talent. With the money spent on O and the talent, they should be lights out. Needless to say they aren’t.

        • Scott W.

          Ok. Put it out there. If you could fire Emery and hire his replacement, who is it?

          • CanadaBear

            Have no idea. If I was the one making the decision I would probably look at the organizations that are always good. Look through their staffs to see some rising stars and grab one. When we got JA the Bears hired a consulting company. How bad is that? With predictable results. This time they went with a guy that had past ties to the organization. That strikes me as a bit lazy as far as a search goes. We need a football guy at the top, not a bean counter. What qualifications does Teddy have to hire a GM? None that I know of.

          • Scott W.

            I have no idea about a GM. But I would hire a retiring, combat decorated Special Forces Commanding Officer somewhere on that coaching staff, one who played 4 years of college ball and started.
            I know how that sounds. But imagine the players having to explain why they didn’t stick to their assignments after a game, or why they were lazy during practice, etc.
            Wouldn’t be a pleasant moment.

          • CanadaBear

            Wouldn’t have to be ex-military. Just someone that will hold everyone’s feet to the fire.

          • Scott W.

            Someone they tried desperately to measure up to. I went ex military because it was the easiest example to use.

          • CanadaBear

            We’re both basically talking about a guy like Marinelli. It’s a crazy tough job. If you hire the wrong HC everything else goes to shit. I’m not that down on PE other than the Nessman hire and the washed up hillbilly signing.

          • Scott W.

            We will note that Rod is a Vietnam vet. It’s hard to look such men in the eye and say, “I can’t…”.

          • CanadaBear

            When he was here his players absolutely loved him and would do anything he asked. It looks like Dallas’ D feels the same way about him.

          • Scott W.

            Yep. He knew how to get em up.

          • GPLDAN

            In Nam, Old Sauce was a tunnel rat.

            Go Wikipedia the tunnel rats. These were guys who got on their bellies with a knife and a pistol and rooted out dug-in VC.

            I think Rod knows tough.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah. I read up on him a few years, back. My late brother-in-law did the same in ‘Nam. God, the stories….

            Again, awfully hard to tell guys like that you can’t make a tackle or stay in your gap.

          • CanadaBear

            Didn’t have to google it. I was eligible for the draft and at 5’3″ I knew there was a chance that would be me (they always used little guys for that job). Fortunately I didn’t get drafted.

          • Scott W.

            Let’s lobby for Virginia to sell the team to Conde Rice.

          • CanadaBear

            Not a big Conde Rice fan but I’d love to see the McCaskey’s sell the team. Not sure what the tax implications are for the family when Ginny passes. If the McCaskey’s can avoid paying taxes on the inheritance, they won’t sell. If the govt gets deep into their pockets, I think they will sell.

          • Scott W.

            Again, I confess to being lazy in using our former Sec. Of State as an example. It’s the idea, not the actual person.

            Myself, I was a big Jeanne Kirkpatrick fan.

          • Cormonster

            I kind of liked Kirkpatrick. When I was in college at Wisconsin in the early 90’s she was supposed to give a speech, but got shouted down by socialist and communist protesters to the delight of one of the campus newspapers The Daily Cardinal. Free speech was very one-sided when I was on campus. I did see Jesse Jackson speak to a packed house. After the 1.5-2 hour speech was finished, I had no clue what the hell he was talking about. He just rambled the whole time with the occasional “Keep Hope Alive”. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown was by far the most entertaining speaker I seen while in college. What a goofball! Seen Clinton speak in 92 while running for President. Man was he good! He walked past me after his speech and had an aura about him similar to Obama in 2008.

      • BerwynBomber

        The D, thus far, has met or exceeded expectations. The O has not. In terms of Cutler, he was also stripped/sacked from the front side and led us to only 14 points. This was a team designed to win shootouts, or so we concluded. But right now we have only seen that type of offense on display in the second half of the SF game and the first half of the GB game.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          !!!! on the Defense. I’m not saying I’m happy with a lost fumble and a pick. I’m saying, the D can’t stop a mild case of the sniffles at the moment with a bottle of Dimetapp and OJ.

      • the problem is decidedly offense.
        In 7 games, there is not once you can say they’ve had an above-average performance. Maybe SF, but even that is stretching it.

    • Scott W.

      It’s also possible that several groups on the team live in their own private vacuum.

    • Scott W.

      I used to tell folks when they asked me how I thought the Bears would do to ask me at the end of October.

      Now, I just want some one to use the word “imbroglio” in a post.

    • Bender McLugh

      I don’t buy into the whole “PM will put up with Nessman”. Frustration does wierd things to peoples heads.

      • CanadaBear

        At some point PE will have to make a decision if the Bears keep losing this year. It’s mostly PE’s players at this point. If we do end up with 6 or less wins, I could easily see PE launching Nessman. Otherwise, PE might go down with the ship.

        • Scott W.

          You know how this works Canada. First on the chopping block are the assistants and coordinators. Nessman is safe for 2015.

          • CanadaBear

            Not necessarily. If PE loses confidence in Nessman, he’s gone. Otherwise, I agree with ya.

          • Scott W.

            We are talking about a GM that thinks Shea McClellin and the washed up hillbilly were really, really good ideas.

            I just don’t see him divorcing Nessman.

          • CanadaBear

            Fair enough. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

          • Scott W.

            Ok. Is this the part where we take it personally, start calling each other names and stuff, or is that later?

            Sorry. My tongue is stuck in my cheek.

          • CanadaBear

            Oh, I know. Doc yesterday twice posted to me about avoiding Johnny’s posts if I didn’t agree with them. The inference I took from that was I was responsible for Johnny taking off. I think that’s total BS because not once did I ever get personal with Johnny (or vice-versa). Maybe I’m reading too much into Doc’s posts.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I don’t think that was directed at you.

          • GPLDAN

            Nor do I.

          • CanadaBear

            Thanks. I kinda stewed about it last night. Wasn’t mad just disappointed.

          • CanadaBear

            Good. I wasn’t sure but when Doc posted it the second time … Johnny has to be my favorite poster. Funny as hell, passionate, relentless and brings untold amounts of energy to the blog.

          • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

            You are. I’m talking about Johnny not reading the posters that get his feathers so ruffled. Though it was kind of directed at everybody. I don’t remember exactly what I said, but whatever it was, I must not have articulated it well. I love you Canada! You know this….MAN.

          • CanadaBear

            Thanks. I didn’t think it was malicious or anything just a little puzzled. No doubt the blog goes upside down when we stink unexpectedly. Appreciate you responding Doc. Needless to say, you still have an open invitation.

          • Scott W.

            Like I said yesterday, while watching Johnny shrapnelize all over the room, if we were winning, or at least not losing so weirdly, our blogosphere here would have a lot more gravity in it.

            We are all just Bears fans, commenting and shooting the breeze on Jeff’s awesome blog. All of us.

            Which reminds me. Thanks Jeff. We know you sacrifice to do this, and we really appreciate it man.

            Even when we catch chat-rabies.

          • Scott W.

            You might be right. Lots goes on behind the curtain we never know about. Just wondering out loud what it would take for PE to get that drastic.

          • Trac

            It’s not like we havent had opportunities Canada. You gotta be 1-15 or 4-12 to get yanked after the 2nd year. That ain’t gonna happen. I still say this team is in stealth rebuild mode.

  • Scott W.

    Looks like a good organization Jeff.

    I signed up. We’ll see how it goes.

  • Trac

    We thought this team was closer than it is but they’re not. Can’t change that fact this year I’m afraid. It happens. Net net, I’m giving a Trestman and Emery until the middle of the 2015 season before I can say they’ve failed or succeeded.

    • Bender McLugh

      not sure why anyone in their right mind would not agree with this.

      • CanadaBear

        if we end up with 4-6 wins this year are you standing behind Nessman? Maybe I’m not in my right mind now but I have lost all faith in Nessman and have no illusions that he will lead us out of the woods. Pretty sure he will lead the sing-along at the campfire and make sure everyone feels good about themselves, though. I guess that’s something.

        • Trac

          Sometimes coaches think the team or their coaching techniques are better than they are. Trestman is being tested and it’s obvious he needs to improve what he’s doing. It’s gut check time for Emery and Tresty. Let’s see what they have.

          • CanadaBear

            Fair enough. Hopefully Nessman gets his mojo back.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      What does failure or success mean for you ? Next year will mark 50 years of the Superbowl period in which the Bears played there 2 times…1W, 1L.

      • Trac

        This team reminds me of the USMNT Soccer Team. In the end they just weren’t good enough to control games against good teams. When the Bears start doing that, they’ve turned the corner. Good teams sometimes lose to inferior teams like Seattle did to the Rams but from what I can tell, they dominated the Rams on the field. The Bears have to be division front runners in the standings to succeed.

        • DaBearsBlog

          Excepting one thing. USMNT doesn’t have the talent of the good teams. This Bears team does, especially on offense. We’re more like England.

          • Trac

            So you’re saying we’re Spain?

          • Trac

            England. Hmmm. Interesting analogy. Who’s our Rooney? They backed the wrong horse? Hmm.

    • Scott W.

      I hear you. I just think there are so many odd as hell miscues. It is actually bizarre, to watch this team.
      It makes no sense. None. One week Tucker fields a squad of animal no names that crush people, Marshall and Bennett are flipping defenders to the ground like cigarette butts, and Forte is humiliating tacklers.
      Next week? A team in total disarray.
      I have to look over the top of my glasses at Nessman for that, and now, not later.

  • Sactowns#1

    Idk why but I actually feel pretty good about this weekends game. Team seems fired up and they always seem to perform when theyre the underdogs.

    • CanadaBear

      Hope you’re right!

    • Scott W.

      Ya know, I’m all good with just relaxing and enjoying the team one game at a time instead of screaming about Super Bowl chances.

      • CanadaBear

        Super Bowl!!?!! (Said in a Jim Mora tone).

        • GPLDAN

          We’re 8-12 under Trestman! Suuuuper Bowl????

          • CanadaBear

            Actually 11-12 but I’m with ya all the way.

          • GPLDAN

            Sorry, 8-12 over the last 20.

  • WP4Life

    could j allen or w. young be setup for a big day?

    • BerwynBomber

      Does Foxboro have carpet? If not, I would suspect Young over Allen.

  • “Are the Bears a good offense?”

    Great question Jeff. Right now the stats say without a doubt no. They aren’t even average:

    http://dabearsbeat.com/2014/10/22/chicagos-offense-hasnt-even-been-average/

    • GPLDAN

      Home game point trend – 20, 17, 14.

      So next home game we need to keep the opponent to 10 or less to win.

    • GPLDAN

      I have one more comment on your piece:

      The Bears are not credibly using the 3rd wideout. Ok, Josh Morgan has a TD catch. ONE. Other than that he’s no threat. Holmes has been responsible for more pics than 1st downs.

      They have an incredibly limited repertoire for a team in it’s 2nd year under a O Guru.

      Rosario has one play in the flat where he catches the ball.
      Jeffery is either running a 9 hook 15 yards downfield or a fly/post for the bomb.
      Marshall is the only guy who can reliably go over the middle.
      There are no plays in the last few games that use Rosario as a lead blocking FB
      They’ve ditched the pitch to Forte, the sweep to Forte and have him exclusively running the draw

      What stands out using the NFL Replay app watching this team, is how FEW formations and plays they really have. That is very puzzling.

      • the coaching/play calling on offense has baffled me. It’s like they think “we’re better than you, so we’re not gonna bother being smart, we’re just gonna line up and do whatever the hell we want, even though you know exactly what’s coming, and it’s gonna work.”
        It’s not working. Let’s see some adjustments.

        • Trac

          Maybe the players aren’t heady enough to grasp a complicated playbook? It’s a legit question.

          • GPLDAN

            We suffer from stupidity?

          • Trac

            It’s a big problem with WR’s. I’ll use Chad Johnson as the poster Child for one that couldn’t or wouldn’t learn the playbook.

          • See, handle.

          • Scott W.

            Bennett is very smart as a person, and a player. Marshall is no one’s idiot. If Jeffery has trouble with the playbook, safe bet the other 2 can get him en route to catching on.

          • Trac

            Just trying to figure out why our offense is so predictable and commenting on Johnny Woods post.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            we need to run the damn ball. Teams are sitting on the pass, and they know Jay will check into a pass play so they are disguising the pre-snap reads.

          • BillW

            I believe you are spot on and I hope the coaches get this corrected – or even use it to the Bears advantage.

          • Scott W.

            Has anyone already suggested that Nessman is outsmarting himself?

          • BillW

            Several people – I thought it back to last year. Too cerebral in his play calls. Case in point was the last drive of the first half of the GB game. Run Forte – nice gain.

            Next play – run Forte again – little gain and valuable time wasted they needed at the very end.

            Makes you wonder if he’s thinking “they’ll NEVER expect two runs in a row”.

            Then you see seemingly random “cute” plays like the lateral in the Miami game and many others. They have their time and place of course but they can be drive killers at the wrong time.

            I may very well be wrong and second guessing is cheap and unfair I suppose.

          • Scott W.

            I dunno Bill. I think as commenters on a blog, it’s our JOB to second guess.

          • guest

            Cutler’s only interception against Miami was a result of Holmes running a Go, instead of a hook.

          • CanadaBear

            Cutler admitted he overthrew a double covered Black Uni. The guy covering Holmes saw Jay stare down the Black Uni, peeled off Holmes and picked Cutler.

          • I don’t think so, but I can’t say for sure. It’s not like they still have Devin Hester running around pretending to be a WR while being unable to string two words together.

            I think in some cases simplifying it might be nice. Like limiting the option routes (where receivers run various routes based on reading the defense). Been a lot of miscommunication and then turnovers from these this year when the WR and Cutler aren’t on the same page.

  • Bernsy

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4770620/expect-brandon-browner-to-be-factor-vs-bears
    Long time lurker, just wanted to point out that Brandon Browner is back this week from suspension. Maybe Trestman and the O will test him early to get a quick pass interference or big play off of him. He’s big but without Earl Thomas or Kam Chancellor behind him maybe he won’t be as effective.

    • made his debut last week with 41 snaps, per PFF. Definitely interested to see how he does against (I presume) Alshon Jeffery.

    • CanadaBear

      Stick around Bernsy. With MB and Johnny gone we need all the help we can get!

      • Bernsy

        I’m a hockey freak and the Hawks just started but i’ll jump on with a video once in a while. I was watching a Brian Bosworth highlight reel and it made me miss old time football.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az-vWh_VcuI
        Ahhhh, the days when you could tackle someone with aggression.

    • I see you’re from Indiana? Santa Claus Indiana by any chance?

      • Bernsy

        no, right by Valpo. Bears and Hawks are my teams. Cubs a little in the early 2000’s. Enjoyed the 2005 Sox very much.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Jeff you are totally spot on with the timing of Marshall’s outburst. At halftime, maybe it gives you a boost, and maybe you can save the season. After you lose that game, it’s almost too late now for the Bears unless they win 1 of the next 2 games (although really, it’s only the Green Bay game they need). It doesn’t come off as motivation. It comes off as venting.

    If the Bears do win on Sunday though, everyone is going to pounce on the locker-room-explosion-as-turning-point narrative whether it’s deserved or not. So that could end up working out for the Bears. Maybe the narrative turns into some self-fulfilling prophecy. Kind of like how the “packer nation” is running with Rodgers’ “R-E-L-A-X”.

    Regardless, Marshall is a powder keg. There is just no denying it. That doesn’t mean he isn’t worth the headache and the price you paid to get him (so far he has been a bargain). But there certainly is risk of him tearing this whole thing down. It’s clear that Marc Trestman has no authority over him. Marshall’s ridiculous 40 minute press conference made it pretty clear he can do whatever he wants. Trestman can’t even blame Marshall for his mistakes without backtracking the next day (or in the case of the Carolina interception, hilariously backtracking in mid-sentence). The Bears desperately need a couple of wins to calm him down, or this howdy doody circus could get a whole lot more entertaining after the bye..

    • Doc Hamstring

      At halftime, you listen to the coaches make adjustments and, if necessary, light the fire.

      And the end of the game, there are no adjustments or changes in personnel the coaches need to share.

      In other words, at halftime, it was Trestman’s and/or Tucker’s job to yell at the players.

    • GPLDAN

      Oh fuck you Cheesy.

      J Findlay was as big a distraction in the Pack room as Marshall is. Knock it the fuck off trolling BM. Jefe posted at least 6 threads in 2 years about how inspirational BM is, how the lime green shoes shouldn’t have been fined, etc. He’s not going to bite at such weak chum.

      Signed,
      Your Favorite Martian

      • TheBigCheesy

        I disagree. Finley was a headache, that’s true. And he was probably more “diva” than Brandon Marshall. But no one ever worried about it. Maybe part of that is because the Packers never really had a losing streak while he was on the team and winning cures all ills, but I highly doubt it ever would have amounted to anything. People mostly just hated Finley because he dropped balls and massively underachieved; they were ready to jump on him for any reason whatsoever.

        It’s easier to forgive Brandon Marshall for his erratic behavior because he suffers from mental illness and he has come so far to rehab himself. But he is volatile. There is no question about it. He’s done damage in the past and he can do it again. Mental illness (and even his own mental illness) transcends the game and so I don’t mean to trivialize it; I’m just talking about his effect on the locker room chemistry and I’m not trying to make a larger point about who he is as a person.

        Brandon Marshall should be an inspirational figure, because he is a veteran, because he is good, and because he is passionate. But he cannot be THE leader of the team, which it appears like he is right now. I don’t think the Bears have the appropriate environment to support a player like that when things start to go south. They have a soft spoken, cerebral head coach who has yet to prove he is a “leader of men”. They also have Jay Cutler at quarterback. Look, Jay Cutler is probably a better leader and teammate than his reputation suggests, but I still highly doubt he’s one of the better leaders in the league that that position (maybe i’m wrong though). Lance Briggs, the guy who (for so many reasons) should be the heart of the defense – if not the entire team – has completely checked out and cares more about his restaurant in California.

        The Bears don’t have any established leaders and I think that’s why Brandon Marshall’s voice is the one that’s been dominant. The problem is: for all his inspirational capability, Brandon Marshall doesn’t have what it takes to be the main man. Brandon Marshall talks when he wants to talk, and then goes quiet when he feels like it. The main man has to come out and take on the media on behalf of his teammates when the losses pile up. You know who might have what it takes to be the main man? Kyle Long. As stupid as his remarks were after the game, Kyle Long manned up the next day and apologized with sincerity. He also filled in for Jay Cutler when Cutler completely blew off his own radio show just because he didn’t want to face the fans and answer their stupid questions again.

        Saying shit like “you just kick the ball” is incredibly counter productive. That’s a personal shot at one of the most senior members of the locker room who does his job very well. Brandon Marshall saying Robbie Gould doesn’t deserve a voice is in direct defiance of Trestman’s philosophy of “a team of leaders,”. As ridiculous as that philosophy might be, Marshall undermining the coach in any capacity is a big problem.

        If the Bears win games, Brandon Marshall will not be a problem. But if they keep losing (and especially if he’s not getting his targets at the same time), he’s going to become a liability.

        • GPLDAN

          And it’s obvious from Briggs walking out on BM’s tirade that nobody takes him seriously.

          Does the team miss Kreutz? Yeah. It does. Kreutz jammed Wale into a locker for talking some shit about the locker room to the press. He kept the internal order. Because he was a center, and a tough guy, he could do that. He knocked the shit outta Fred Miller at a gun range.

          BM isn’t knocking the shit out of anybody. So the team could use an enforcer, and Long isn’t ready to take that helm. Cutler probably rolled his eyes during the whole tirade.

          So the team needs a leader. But I disagree that there is much damage a mouthy BM can do to team unity.The only problem he causes is when Nessman refuses to discipline him in any way whatsoever.

          • TheBigCheesy

            That’s pretty much what I am saying. It’s a problem because there is no authority figure above Brandon Marshall to reign him in when appropriate. Marshall can’t be the main man. I don’t think he’s cut out for it.

          • Scott W.

            He’s too manic. The ups and downs keep him from being the new Kreutz.

          • guest

            Marshall was only saying that losing is unacceptable, which is correct – if you’re a winner. The QB should be saying that. Maybe if Jay had a 18-1 TD-INT ratio like Rodgers, people would be more chilled out.

          • Bring in Incognito?

          • Scott W.

            Your last sentence. Big time that.

      • Trac

        Wasn’t it Marshall that slammed Kyle Fuller in training camp? That would explain why Briggs left. No respect.

        • Cormonster

          Black Unicorn got “suspended” for that move.

          • Trac

            Gotcha. My bad.

          • Ososfan

            Get it together Trac. Lol

    • Bears-4-Ever

      “But there certainly is risk of him tearing this whole thing down.”

      Not a chance. One Player doesn’t have that kind of power or influence on a team as a whole. ALL the teams in the NFL have or had their “Problem Child” Players and they deal with it or they let them walk. BM, since he’s been open about his mental condition, is in the “deal with him” category. He was way harder to deal with when he was in Miami. One Locker Room outburst doesn’t mean the ceiling is caving in. It means one thing frankly, BM gives a shit. Briggs is the exact opposite. If we had 2 or 3 more guys yelling in the locker room like BM, they might be able to turn things around. Instead we just keep getting bad attitudes or none at all from the majority of the Bears Players.

  • GPLDAN

    Jefe –

    You re-twatted Dave Melton saying this:

    Only a few minutes til someone dials up Todd Bell and asks what he thinks about locker room leadership.

    Todd Bell is dead. He drove into a sign after falling asleep at the wheel in 2005. He never really got over missing the ’85 Bears. His is a sad story in Bears lore, as sad as Dave Duerson.

    Let’s not be trite and re-twat shit like that.

    • Scott W.

      I was pretty stunned to see that retweet too. Jeff’s usually a lot more on top of that kind of stuff.

      • BillW

        The original tweeter made a bad joke – saying every ex-Bear is being asked so why not deceased ones. But had he said “Red Grange” or even Sid Luckman he could have made the same point without being so tasteless.

        • Scott W.

          True. The Bell reference was a bad one, and not just due the time elapsed.

          Grange, et al, would have been okay.

    • BillW

      I checked on Todd Bell’s death because I thought it was more than falling asleep. From what I read he suffered a heart attack while driving.

  • Scott W.

    All in on your Briggs evaluation Jeff. He should have put in his papers before this season started, is my opinion.

    Allen? Mirror image of Peppers to GB. Both great yesteryear.

    I think we have longer to go than we feel we should on both sides of the ball, but does anyone on the team do their job better than Kyle Long, week in and week out?

    • BillW

      Even Hub complimented his play this week in his SunTimes column.

      He gave most of the positions C or C-. That’s average, and I think there were a few positions with below average performances – but hey, grade inflation is everywhere.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    the Black Uni hasn’t been practicing because of a hamstring issue.

    • BillW

      Does anyone have a feel that maybe we don’t have a great strength and conditioning coach? I know injuries are all over the league so maybe we’re no different.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        i get that feeling too. But injuries seem to be up all over the league. A lot of media/ex-players and former coaches have speculated a lot of it is do to the restrictions placed on the off season regiments. Teams can’t practice like they used to, therefore can’t be conditioned like they used to and get into ‘Football Shape’. Which makes a lot of sense when you look at the type of injuries that are occurring. You will always see the freak injuries, bone breaks and blowing out knees, but it seems a lot of players are having muscle strain type injuries now, more so than in the past. I don’t know any of this for a fact since i have not seen any studies on injury types over the years.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          I blame energy drinks.
          And aliens.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            man i wish i could up vote that comment more. Made me laugh, and miss that crazy fool Irish.

          • GPLDAN

            Both of which have distribution deals with the Rothchilds.

            #Irishing

          • Ososfan

            Lmao!

        • It could just be the “Mercedes” syndrome. I think I saw a study that outlined Mercedes cars spend the most time in the shop.
          It’s more sophisticated – everything has to be very fined tuned, or else it doesn’t function.
          Meanwhile, my first car was a Bug, and I don’t think I ever had to take it to the mechanics other than for maintenance.

          • Scott W.

            Bugs were as easy to fix as a lawnmower. I had an old one, and I’m no mechanic, but I could keep that puppy running.

      • Ososfan

        Good point, the old coach was fired when Trest came in and got his guy.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    Did anyone realize that Forte has yet to have a 20+ yard run this year? Forte never seemed like the guy that will out run Ds but he had 9 last year which tied him for 2nd most. I think we need to start utilizing him more as a runner.

  • Here’s my problem with the “no captain” cumbaya.
    I don’t know how a team’s QB is NOT a captain. Cutler seems more like one of the guys, when really he should be more leader. Anyone who has been in charge knows you can’t be all buddy buddy with those beneath you (Don’t make me bring up the Nazi ‘no officer fraternizing with underlings’ policy).

    I mean, Cutler should be a captain, Garza, Briggs and someone on Specials like Mannelly.

    But really, we might only have one, and that’s old beat up Garza.

    Bmarsh is outspoken and passionate – but that doesn’t = leader
    Reminds me of Bronx from Saving Private Ryan when he’s pissed off about taking out the .88s and his superiors threaten to shoot him for insubordination, and the Captain, the Leader, had to intervene (who is that on the team, Forte?)
    .
    The Score is mostly full of crap, but they did ask a valid question: Do you WANT Bmarsh as a leader?

    That being said, all this is moot if we win the next two games.

  • More Forte benchmarks:

    “Murray, the Cowboys running back who is threatening the NFL’s single-season records for carries and yards, is having the best season of any back in football. But Bears running back Matt Forte and Colts running back Ahmad Bradshaw are both threatening to break NFL records for running backs as well.

    Forte is leading the league in receiving, with 52 catches, which putshim on pace for 119 catches this season. That would blow away the previous record for catches by a running back, set in 1995 when
    Cardinals fullback Larry Centers caught 101 passes. Forte is also threatening to become just the third player in NFL history to have 1,000 rushing yards and 1,000 receiving yards in the same season. Forte
    currently has 448 rushing yards and 436 receiving yards, putting him on pace to finish the year with 1,024 and 997, respectively. Only Roger Craig in 1985 and Marshall Faulk in 1999 have managed 1,000 yards both
    rushing and receiving in the same year.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

    • Scott W.

      Nice post. Thanks for putting it together. I even read parts of it to my wife. Got that polite head- nod wives throw out there, but it’s her version of an up vote.

    • Cormonster

      I posted the Forte 1,000/1,000 numbers a week ago and mentioned that only Craig and Faulk had accomplished it. Do I get a sticker? Maybe I’ll just up vote myself.

      • Scott W.

        Hey, Mr. Memory. I not only upvoted you, I replied with enthusiasm. I even wrote my congressman and asked him to make it cormonster day.

        Take notes damnit.

        • Cormonster

          Thanks Scott. I got that nickname about 30 years ago in Jr. High. Not sure who started it. Someone on the football or wrestling team. I just looked it up. Here’s my post on the blog from 10 days ago:

          Back to my Forte stats. Forte had over 150 total yards today, moving
          him up to # 82 all time. He passed 6 people today. Earl Campbell,
          Terry Allen, Andre Rison, Brian Westbrook, Jim Taylor, and Donald
          Driver. He just got past the two Packers I named at the end.

          If Forte keeps the same averages he has now for the rest of the season, he
          will have over 1,000 rushing and 1,000 receiving. That’s only been
          accomplished twice before. Roger Craig in 1985 and Marshall Faulk in
          1999.

          • Scott W.

            Ok. I was thinking you did a pretty serious stats run in sev. categories including Forte just 3-4 days ago? I think there were at least 3 separate posts by you in that run. Did my neurons lie to me again?

          • Cormonster

            I did a Forte-Payton comparison, but that was several weeks ago. I think I did one or two others, but just not in the last week. Forte did pass two more guys Sunday to move up to 80th in total yards. He passed Lance Alworth (HOF) and Santana Moss.

          • Scott W.

            Side story, tangetially related…

            I spent a few hours with Andre Rison in his rookie year with the Colts. Mostly 1 on 1.

            Back then, he was a friggin’ Gazelle with soft, sure hands. He didn’t explode off the line, he was just suddenly not there. An amazing receiver in his time. He could have been as great as Rice if he had decided to be, easily. But…

            …Rison was a diva, and the chip he had on his shoulder was a tree trunk. It was his undoing, ultimately.

            I heard a year or so ago that he had turned his life around and doing some good. I was glad to hear it.

          • Cormonster

            Wow! He was definitely great in his prime with the Falcons. I never knew he played for the Colts. I just remembered him with the Falcons and Packers on their 96 SB run.

            Oh, and how did you know Rison? Inquiring minds want to know.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, he was Indys 1st round pick. Chris Chandler was their QB.

          • Cormonster

            That is very cool to know! I can see that being a fun job. Were you still working the beat when Harbaugh became the QB? He had a couple good years there. I remember when Ted Archibrota was HC and Bill Tobin became GM. I kind of remember the Colts were picking up a lot of ex Bears around that time period.

          • Scott W.

            No I was off to another job when Harbaugh pulled in. I got to interview a lot of future HOF’s, but the best /moat fun stories and interviews I got back then were always with the kickers and punters believe it or not. God, I could tell some stories.

          • Cormonster

            I’m salivating at the thought of hearing some of the stories. I won’t pry, but please sprinkle in a story now and then if you think it’s fit. Off the record is off the record. I get that. Maybe just titillate us now and then with a story.

          • Scott W.

            Ha! It will be good exercise to recall some of those. I’ll toss a few out along the way.

        • Cormonster

          The 997 yards triggered another memory. Somewhere between 1977 and 1979 Walter had well over 1,000 yards rushing and Roland Harper finished the season with 997. Not sure why he didn’t get a couple more carries to surpass 1,000.

    • guest

      Bears are 24th in the league in rushing. Meanwhile, Jerry Jones investing 3 first round picks in his OL are tearing it up. Go figure.

  • Damn, already talk of Emery/Trestman in the “hot-seat” in the national media. No Bueno.

    http://stream.nbcsports.com/pft/?pid=10000&referrer=&referrer=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/page/2/

    • GPLDAN

      It was just Emery.

      Arians performance in Arizona should piss Bears fans off, since he was the #2 choice over Less Nessman.

      • Hopefully, Trestman won’t be the “Shea” to Arian’s “Chandler Jones”.
        And I don’t care what Jeff tweets. Jones is a good player. Not all pro, but much better than Chicken Dinner.

      • Trac

        Yeah but he’s got Drew Stanton. That’s not a fair comparison.

  • BerwynBomber

    Revis sent home from practice for being tardy. The ‘chick don’t fuck around:

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/11746518/new-england-patriots-cornerback-darrelle-revis-sent-home-being-late

  • Viva

    We are the football equivilant of Mike Tyson’s last 4 years in his profession. Enough talent to win every game we play, and enough lapses in judgment to self destruct on any givin Sunday.

  • Trac

    Bears are ranked 19th in the power rankings. 32-19=13. Hmm.

  • Ososfan

    Put Ola in let Mils heal more. Can’t have him trying to regain his composure while putting Cutler at risk even more.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

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