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Attacking Legalization of Sports Gambling While Endorsing Fantasy is NFL’s Greatest Hypocrisy

| February 3rd, 2014

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Each weekday afternoon, at 5:00 PM EST, the NFL Network airs something. I hesitate to call this something a television program because, you know, The Twilight Zone was a television program. All in the Family was a television program. CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite was a television program.

NFL Fantasy Live is not just sixty minutes of daily recorded garbage. It is also a symbol of the shield’s greatest hypocrisy: embracing the eh, we’re fine with it gambling of fantasy football while using their legal infantry to thwart the sorry, can’t have it gambling of point spreads, over/unders and the type of wagering that greatly helped build the NFL into the athletic superpower its become.

HOW DOES THE NFL VIEW FANTASY?

I began to write this column a few months ago but stalled due to my nagging believe that nobody wants to read another column thrashing Roger Goodell and the NFL ownership group holding the strings of Uncle Roger, their transparently prevaricating marionette. Then the thirty million dollar a year phony spoke on that bastion of sports journalism known as CNBC. From ProFootballTalk:

While addressing the league’s aversion to all forms of gambling, Goodell was asked about fantasy football.

“Fantasy’s a different issue for us,” Goodell said.  “We see families getting together.  It’s not about wagering.  They’re competing against one another.  And it’s a fun forum for our fans to engage in the game.”

Fantasy football: bringing families together since Roger Goodell said so.

One does not need to spend six months navigating the Dewey Decimal System to discover the fraudulence of Goodell’s assertion. It is impossible, truly not possible at all, that Uncle Roger believes his own words.

THE FANDUEL PROBLEM

What is FanDuel, you ask? I’ll let them tell you.

It is customary for all sites, let alone gaming sites, to display a readily available legal disclaimer. FanDuel’s header for that disclaimer, Is FanDuel Legal, spells out clearly the fear they have when it comes to the user experience. On their legal page they provide a short and long answer to the question. Here is a piece of the long:

According to a 2007 study, fantasy sports is played by 29.9 million people in the US and Canada. In fact 22% of US males aged between 18 and 45 with internet access have played fantasy sports. It is estimated that fantasy sports has a $3-4 billion annual economic impact across the sports industry and it is now supported by all the major leagues.

Studies by the Fantasy Sports Trade Association (of which FanDuel is a member) have estimated that around 73% of fantasy sports players play paid fantasy games (i.e. games with an entry fee). To meet this demand, major networks such as CBS, NBC and Fox all offer pay to play fantasy sports games.

The laws relating to fantasy sports varies by state however in the vast majority of them fantasy sports is considered a game of skill and therefore legal. In most states a game of skill is classed as game where skill is the predominant factor in determining the winner. The states where our lawyers believe the law is unclear or questionable about the legality of fantasy sports are Arizona, Iowa, Louisiana, or Montana. Therefore we do not offer paid entry games to residents of those states.

Other sites have varying figures but its almost certain that 65-75% of fantasy football contestants are playing for money. FanDuel (and its competitors) are entirely about the “wagering” Mr. Goodell denies. From an article in Forbes:

The daily fantasy sports site also intends on introducing new features to its daily fantasy games, which last 1 day and pay out prizes to participators as soon as games finish.  Those games are currently experiencing an average of over 250,000 line-up entries per week.

Nope, fantasy football is not about wagering, Roger Goodell. But there’s a quarter million confirmed individuals wagering on it each and every week. Instead of gambling on Denver’s ability to beat Kansas City by 6.5, the player gambles on Peyton Manning’s ability to have a productive afternoon.

And that difference, according to the federal government, is a huge one. Back to the FanDuel legal page:

Yes, fantasy sports is considered a game of skill and received a specific exemption from the 2006 Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA 2006). FanDuel uses exactly the same rules as any other season long fantasy sports game, the only difference is that our games last only a day.

THE “SKILL” EXEMPTION

It is called the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 and is just as exciting a read as you’d expect. (You can read the entire document by CLICKING HERE.) It’s relevance is simple. It lays the ridiculous groundwork that allows fantasy football to be considered a game of skill, not chance, and thus relinquishing the “gambling” label.

This was not the first relevant discussion of the topic. From a piece by Chris Smith in Forbes:

The legal question of skill versus chance was finally put to fantasy football specifically in the 2007 New Jersey District Court case Humphrey v. Viacom, Inc. A 2007 article from the Illinois Business Law Journal details that case, in which a Colorado lawyer sued three pay-for-play online fantasy sites, and its result:

The court disagreed [with the plaintiff], however, and dismissed the case. In doing so, it indicated that fantasy sports are games of skill because players actively manage their teams, employing their sports knowledge and making strategic decisions.

So there are three elements here, presented by the court, defining skill:

  • Actively managing team
  • Employing sports knowledge
  • Making strategic decisions

Let’s eliminate the final two elements right off the bat as neither the employment of sports knowledge nor the making of strategic decisions is exclusive to fantasy football over any other form of sports gambling. (Nor is it actually NECESSARY for either, but that’s an entirely different story.) So is the court claiming the management of a team/roster is enough action to dictate labeling fantasy sports as skills competitions?

The answer is simple. Yes.

Why did the NFL allow this exemption to go unchallenged? Why did a league, that spends so much time and so many resources to keep sports gambling out of the forty-nine other states for reasons of athletic sanctity (The BlackSox! The BlackSox!) allow for an exemption that would impact its sport far greater than any other?

Can’t an argument be made it is FAR easier to corrupt the performance of an individual football player (fantasy) than the performance of an entire team (point spread)?

But alas, I come not to demonize fantasy sports and relegate it to the land of illegality. Instead I come to make the argument that it is time the NFL vacate its hypocritical stances and fight for the legalization of sports gambling across the country – a legalization that would help cities and states dig out of cavernous financial holes but simply making an action that ALREADY TAKES PLACE IN BARS AROUND THE COUNTRY and making it safer.

HOW MUCH IS SPORTS GAMBLING WORTH?

From an article by Chris Sieroty in the Las Vegas Review-Journal:

Eamonn Toland, president of Paddy Power North America, argued that the “only way to stamp out corruption is to have a legal sports betting market.” He estimated illegal sports betting is a $300 billion business in the U.S.

“It’s an enormous source of money,” Toland said. “We want to make it legal and regulate it. In Europe, we tend to work hand in glove with the sports leagues. It protects the leagues.”

Paddy Power may not be a well-known sports betting brand in the U.S. Based in Dublin, Ireland, Paddy Power is a publicly traded bookmaker with $4 billion in market cap.

In Nevada, casino visitors wagered more than $3.4 billion on sports last year.

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(I live in a predominantly Irish neighborhood called Sunnyside, Queens and my last name is Hughes so I’m quite familiar with Paddy and his Power. I lost $1,000 on Super Bowl Sunday. I bet Bubba Watson to win the Waste Management.) An article at Sports on Earth cites a belief that more than $500 billion is wagered on sports in the United States.

Side note: It is foolish to assume all of the money illegally gambled on sports in this country will suddenly be gambled legally due to a law change. Legal gambling will require bettors put up the cash at the time of the wager. Illegal gambling thrives on credit. Lose a fortune at 1:00 pm, try to make up for it at 4:00 pm, go all-in for the Sunday nighter. You can’t do that with real money unless you’ve got a shitload of real money.

This is an industry that will not benefit states in the millions. This will benefit states in the billions. And why does it not exist? From a piece by Joe Asher at USNews.com:

So, why is sports betting illegal? The National Football League is the biggest reason. The NFL led the charge to outlaw sports betting and fights any efforts to legalize what everyone knows is going on. Their professed reason is that wagering affects the integrity of the game. But, that ignores that it is going on anyway, and legal sports books would be the first to report anything shady.

So it makes total sense. Because wagering on NFL point spreads is not a skill, the NFL uses their legal might to keep nearly 400 billion dollars out of the coffers of desperate state houses. Because families don’t gather at the Sunday evening dinner table and discuss the over/under for Ravens v. Steelers, Goodell’s NFL can’t endorse the act.

NFL VS. NJ

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New Jersey’s governor, the artist formerly known as presidential candidate Chris Christie, made the state’s economy his primary initiative from the day he took office in Trenton. In 2010 Christie halted the construction of a second Hudson River commuter tunnel between NYC and NJ – America’s largest public works project at the time – for a very simple reason. From NJ.com:

“It’s a dollars and cents issue. I cannot place, upon the citizens of the state of New Jersey, an open-ended letter of credit,” Christie said.

It was the second time the governor killed the tunnel this month. He scrapped the project on Oct. 7, saying his advisers were projecting overruns of $2.3 billion to $5.3 billion beyond the $8.7 billion tunnel price tag.

Like it or not, Christie has stayed consistent with his economic approach: if NJ can’t afford it, NJ can’t have it.

In Christie’s mind, NJ can have and should have legalized sports gambling. But the power of the NFL and other sports leagues thwarted those efforts this past autumn, winning in the U.S. Court of Appeals in Philadelphia 2-1. From a Bloomberg story:

The law, which would permit betting on professional and college sports at racetracks and Atlantic City casinos, is pre-empted by the 1992 Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act, a federal statute that restricts sports gambling, a U.S. Court of Appeals panel in Philadelphia ruled today 2 to 1.

“We are not asked to judge the wisdom of the PASPA or of New Jersey’s law, or of the desirability of the activities they seek to regulate,” the court said. “We speak only to the legality of these measures as a matter of constitutional law.”

Later in the same piece, the dissenting judge laid out the true issues which will lead to PASPA’s eventual decline:

U.S. Circuit Judge Thomas I. Vanaskie today partly disagreed with his colleagues’ conclusions, saying, “I respectfully dissent from that part of the majority’s opinion that upholds PASPA as a constitutional exercise of congressional authority.”

“By prohibiting states from licensing or authorizing sports gambling, PASPA dictates the manner in which states must regulate interstate commerce and thus contravenes the principles of federalism,” and “conscripts the states as foot soldiers to implement a congressional policy choice,” Vanaskie wrote.

Lesniak, a Democratic senator, said of Vanaskie’s dissent that for the first time a judge backed New Jersey, and “that gives us hope.”

New Jersey has hope. So does every state in the country who would like to be able to legally generate revenue from an act being performed illegally in the barrooms across their state. From a piece in the Washington Times:

“That is the folly of the leagues’ argument — that somehow if you legalize it, take it out of the hands of criminals, that somehow you are destabilizing the leagues. I mean, only the commissions of these leagues and the NCAA can make that argument with a straight face,” Mr. Christie said.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENS NOW?

Roger Goodell was asked about this very issue during his state of the league address on the Friday before Super Bowl XLVIII. PFT detailed the response:

“As you know, we fought legalized gambling, sports gambling, for a long time, most recently here in New Jersey, and I would see our position in the same vein going forward,” Goodell said.

Goodell’s response stemmed from a question about the league’s support of fantasy football and distaste for sports betting.

“We don’t put fantasy football in that category at all,” Goodell said, referring to gambling.

Goodell relayed a story of a father and teenage daughter bonding over fantasy football and playing in the same league.

“Fantasy has a way of people engaging more with football, and they do it in a fun, friendly, in this case, a family manner,” Goodell said.

Here is what the NFL knows. Fantasy football requires the player invest in ALL THE GAMES and thus makes the value of each of their television packages worth more money. Folks are tuning in to the awful collection of Thursday Night Football affairs because, yes, they love the NFL but mostly because of a wide receiver or running back or kicker on theirs or their opponent’s roster. Fantasy football makes the NFL millions of dollars. (Why do you think the Red Zone Channel exists?)

And fantasy football is played by ten year-old kids! The NFL is not only cultivating the next generation of football fans. They are cultivating the next generation of gamblers!

The NFL fights against the legalization of sports gambling because they don’t know how to profit from it. That’s why they’ve fought so hard. That’s why they’ll continue fighting so hard. It has nothing to do with the integrity of the game. It has everything to do with the ONLY thing NFL owners care about: finding new methods to line their pockets.

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  • AlbertInTucson

    +1. Fantasy Football is just long form “Prop Bet”. Anybody playing in a league that does not involve prize money?

    • MB30SD
      • AlbertInTucson

        The entire concept of “body art” and piercings is lost on me.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s one of those things either you like ’em or you don’t. I’ve got 3 (both upper arms and a very large piece on both upper legs and lower torso). I used to be really put off by piercings in the face. After hanging out in a tattoo shop for a few years, I don’t even notice them now.

        • Trac

          I actually get it Al. I was in the Corp for 4 years back when Tatoo’s were unique to mainly enlisted military personal. I never got one but was tempted to on more than one drunken occasion. Some people get them now because they think it makes them look cool. Back in the day society generally didn’t favor them and I knew that if I got one, I would come to regret it. Today, they are being marketed to the chillin’s so I am not surprised so many people have them today. I also know one mom who took her 14 year old daughter with her to get tat’s together.

          I understand why people get them, just glad I never did. I would prefer that people realized how beautiful and unique they are without them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Seeing people get their three year olds ears pierced is quite an amazing thing to me. Fucktards in extremis.

      • NewBearInTown

        Wow. Talk about no self respect.

        • MB30SD

          yes, but think about this solution to the problem you mentioned in one of your posts above.

          Talk about incentive not to auto-draft, not to loaf for a single second, to put forth your very best product each and every week no matter what.

          BOOM! Inherent FF problems solved!

          Of course a league like that may be a bit difficult for a pious man such as yourself NB.

          • NewBearInTown

            On the subject. I’m starting early this year.

            I will be setting up an 8-10 team legacy league this year. Its been long enough on the blog now that I think we can try to use keepers. A few things that I know for sure will be part of the league:

            (1) There will be a punter;
            (2) There will be special teams points;
            (3) There will only be one quarterback;
            (4) It will be an auction draft, and not on a Jewish holiday.

            I am interested to see if the salary cap can be a factor, but I doubt that will work.

            And the draft will not be on the Sabbath, the Jewish New Year, Yom Kippor or on any other day I can’t be a participant.

          • SC Dave

            You go, compadre

          • Irish Sweetness

            NBIT is Shomer Shabbos!

          • MB30SD

            Yeah man, where you been. .. nb doesn’t roll on shabbos

          • Irish Sweetness

            No backup QB?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Count me in BTW….unless it’s an invite league and you’ve got a thing against 9 foot tall white dudes.

          • NewBearInTown

            One starter. You can keep more on the bench.

      • NewBearInTown

        Another word on this. My comment about no self respect should be taken the right way. I think bets like this are a lot of fun. “Loser gets a pie in the face” sort of stuff for me is more fun than gambling money. Even when you lose, if the punishment is light-hearted, its still fun.

        But getting a massive tattoo is ridiculous. I’ll take a pie in the face, but I’m not wearing the pie for 50 years.

        Hazing goes the same way. It starts in good fun, but it gets out of control. Eventually the guy who lost isn’t smiling as much as he was last year. And that’s where you’ve got to have some common sense.

        But hey, I think there is some amazing tattoo art out there, but I never got one. Being religious is only one reason for that. I also can’t imagine feeling the same way about anything for my entire life. Even my family – as the years go on you want to express your love in a different ways, and the old stuff can seem foolish. I just don’t see myself ever being sure enough about a tat to pull the trigger.

        The ones I talk to that get’em. They’ll tell you even a bad tattoo is still a good story. That’s where I’m can’t get into it.

        • MB30SD

          Shady told me he has a huge Gefilte fish tat on his left ass cheek nb.

          Now THAT is commitment!

          • SC Dave

            lol… but its still graffiti on ones body

        • SC Dave

          More than ridiculous, it’s STUPID.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yup, a head-shave is a relatively temporary thing (unless you’re a lady), but tattoos? Hazing is sick. I don’t get Fraternities either – no offense to FDQ – I just don’t understand them. A naturally formed fraternity (through some common bond or thing/experience shared) is one thing, but a contrived thing where you mightn’t even KNOW any of the people in it at first ? Weird.

          Only ever saw one tattoo I liked. Some rocker guitarist kid from the hometown got a full-back tat of Geronimo sitting cross-legged with a rifle slung against his shoulder. Took him 8 weeks to get it finished. Pure art.

          • NewBearInTown

            Frats are an interesting invention. On the one hand, they’re a bunch of stupid college kids paying too much money to be packed like sardines in a dirty house. The hazing creates a bad reputation. The parties create a certain reputation also (no necessarily bad, but not all good either). But on the other hand, I know people who’ve had great experiences.

            In a good frat, the guys really take responsibility for each other. If a guy is too shy to be social, the other guys will help him get out and have fun. If a guy needs help in school, the other guys will get him help. If a guy can’t get a date, they’ll get him a date. They really take it seriously, and the bonds grow pretty fast.

            I didn’t join a frat in college. Then I got super religious, and joined something even more all encompassing. The time I spent in yeshiva (kind of like Jew College) living in the dorm, which was essentially one big frat, were some of the best times of my life.

      • Irish Sweetness

        MB- aren’t you the boy who wanted us to draft Kam Chancellor – he of the fifth round? I nominate you our designated safety-finder. That kid should have been the MVP.

        Man, did Peyton ever live up to his moniker of King-choker? Some brutal throws, he was like a deer caught in headlights, and that was always the knock on him – once the head goes down, that’s it. Joe Cool never saw the rush, he just felt it, danced around it, then got the ball where it needed to be. I hope they lay off the “greatest of all-time” bullshit with Manning now.

        Cometh the hour ….

  • Still a Doug Plank Fan

    Good piece Jeff. Loved the breakdown of Fantasy vs. Sports Books. And that they can’t figure out how to profit from gambling is telling, it’s just not that impossible to do.

    Seems like all they’d have to offer is a page on their website for internet-based gambling. They could even offer only prop bets to prevent the evil machinations of organized housewives from influencing game outcomes.

    I, for one, have never gotten into the whole over/under thing. I’m old, so I’m a win-or-lose kind of guy. But props? That’s another story. Fun for the whole family!

    “Peyton honey, you need to say ‘Omaha’ 6 times in one down for me tonight, okay?”

    “Yes, dear.”

  • MB30SD

    NB, please re-post your 500 word piece on the new thread.

  • NewBearInTown

    Now on its third thread in a row (with a nod to Butch and Irish for the idea):

    Well that was an underwhelming Superbowl. An overshot snap for a safety on the first play of the game that was the closest the score would be before the final whistle. We saw the record set for
    completions in a Superbowl as well as catches by a wide receiver, and those
    were just for the losing team. We saw Troy Aikman say the last shutdown corner in the league before Richard Sherman was Dione Sanders. We saw the press box try valiantly to talk about Russell Wilson when he did nothing of note during the game except avoid being tackled by a Denver defense that couldn’t wrap up a train set for Xmas. And we saw one of the most dominating defensive performances in recent memory (though I think the Bears, Bucs and first time Ravens were all more impressive personally). But what we didn’t see, and what would have made it a real game, was the Green Bay Packers.

    The Packers SHOULD have won this year. So what happened?

    Well, it’s a conspiracy. The Green Bay has been trying for decades to get out from the shadow of the Chicago Bears. Playing the Bears is like betting $20 in a knife fight. Even if you win, you’re so beat up
    afterwards its not worth the trouble. Look what happened to poor Mr. Rodgers this year. And the Pack have to play the Bears twice!

    Ever since interception-gate with the replacement refs, the Pack have wanted another shot at the Seahawks so they could embarrass them on the world’s biggest stage. After forming a warm relationship with the Rothchilds (who came up with the idea to sell worthless stock to the masses) and signing a 20 year endorsement deal with State Farm insurance (Green Bay loves anything involving cows, including farms), the Pack had the money and influence to switch conferences and cities with
    Oakland. That way, they’d be eligible to play Seattle in the Superbowl, and they’d finally move to a city with some culture and class in the fan base.

    But it was not meant to be. Recent revelations about spying which are available to anyone with an unfiltered web connection who searches “Snowden and Asteroid Belt” nearly unearthed the Rothchild’s efforts to harness the earth’s cheese supply to power a race of human/warthog hybrids (commonly known as Packer fans) to form an unstoppable army meant to colonize Jupiter’s moons. Fearing discovery, the Rothchilds were forced to remove their influence from the NFL for most of the
    season (thus explaining Cleveland’s appearance of competence for a few games and the collapse of Matt Shaub).

    By the time a couple of well timed “lunar” eclipses had pulled the cheese head back over the eyes of the American public, it was too late. While the Packers were able to mount a late season surge to take the division, they would not be permitted to best the Seahawks if not on the world’s biggest stage. They trounced the Niners before allowing them a last second comeback. They would again plot their revenge the next time the Rothchilds reached the zenith of their powers (on Saturn’s next winter season).

    Until then the world was robbed of seeing Clay Matthews best Pete Carrol in a game of who’s got the best psycho-smile; of seeing Aaron Rodgers’s touchdown dance, a close approximation of the mating call of the Common Reed Frog (made famous in Jurassic Park for spontaneously changing gender); of seeing John “cannonball” Kuhn best Marshawn Lynch in a game of who can get CTE the fastest while running for less than 50 yards! And of seeing the Packers cheerleaders, the Gouda Gals (who also
    double as their defensive line) show the Red Hot Chili Peppers how to really get America’s attention by performing shirtless.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      We have to figure out how to keep this bet running through the off season. We’ll be stretching for stories as the weeks (especially the next 6) trudge on.

      I’ll come up with a few ideas and post them up, but will look forward to hearing yours. Besides, we’re tied.

      • NewBearInTown

        February 17-March 3 is the franchise tag open season.

        February 19-25 is the Combine.

        March 11 is free agency

        May 8-10 is the draft

        I’d say those are the best fodder for betting in pure football context. Beyond that… I leave it up to you.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Good info! Thanks!

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      haha…selling worthless stock to the masses…that’s SOOOO rothchilds, those bastards!

      • Irish Sweetness

        For the love of God has anybody seen The Wolf of Wall Street yet? Time well spent.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hats off.

      And he’s not joking about the Rothschilds ….

      • NewBearInTown

        For the protection of my Jewish brethren, yes I am joking about the Rothschilds.

  • NewBearInTown

    Interesting read Jeff, but I didn’t enjoy it as much as some of your other work because the point of the article is rather muddy.

    We get it, sports gambling happens, fantasy football is sport gambling, certain forms of sports gambling should be legal (you contend, I give no opinion). But why is the NFL not in favor? That’s the really interesting question.

    You write this at the end: “The NFL fights against the legalization of sports gambling because they
    don’t know how to profit from it. That’s why they’ve fought so hard.
    That’s why they’ll continue fighting so hard. It has nothing to do with
    the integrity of the game. It has everything to do with the ONLY thing
    NFL owners care about: finding new methods to line their pockets.”

    I don’t buy that. I think the NFL is as smart as any of these other gambling institutions and would love to make money off of gambling. And they have the ability to manipulate the rules to favor preferred gambling methods, just like they can increase scoring for fantasy players. And they can manipulate programming to allow gamblers good television (imagine Kurt Warner and Warren Sapp arguing over which conference game gets 2 confidence points and which gets 1). They can do everything they do for fantasy now for gambling.

    And Goodell can still say that the wagers bring families together.

    But the NFL doesn’t because they have to have a bad guy. They can say “we love fantasy football,” “we love office pools,” “we love the unpredictability of the game.” But they can’t say “we love gambling,” Gambling is a bad word. If the laws are written to remove more sports wagering from the umbrella of gambling, the NFL will adjust the message. But they need to be a family sport. So they need to keep the dirty word “gambling” off the network.

    • DaBearsBlog

      It’s not possible. Sports leagues can’t prosper off “wagering”. How could the owners receive a take from money wagered on their games?

      • gpldan

        They can’t.

        And no offense to NBIT, whose insights are usually um… insightful… but here he is missing the mark.

        Sports wagering, especially ORGANIZED sports betting by th large casinos, allows ENOUGH money to line up behind a given result that it becomes more and more feasible to get a player to cooperate with a given scam.

        In a world of insiders and insider trading, don’t tell me that a Casino – a big Casino like Sands, couldn’t have guys that could get a mid-tier QB like Alex Smith to get all Art Schliester with it, and promise a long-term payout after the player leaves the league and have that player regard that as viable, and worthwhile.

        THAT is why the NFL opposes gambling. PERIOD.

        A big shop can line up $500M+ on an outcome. It becomes MUCH more viable to approach a QB and tell them about a Swiss bank account that appears in 5 years with $25M in it, than ANY group of backroom bookies or organized crime lords. The 5 families are done, even Scorsese has moved onto Wall Street as the home of the real crooks.

        So there’s your reason.

        If you found out that Payton THREW that game for a $50M account for him, and another for Eli – it would make Lance Armstrong look like a weekend dalliance with a hooker while he was dating Sheryl Crow. It would be the biggest sports scandal of all time, and it would destroy the NFL at a time where it has chinks in its Smaug like armor right now.

        And lest you think it would never happen, it would. Hell, it WILL. Too many QBs like Andy Dalton who know the clock is almost up on them and have drug or gambling problems on the side. Too much social cynicism has accrued that nobody really cares who wins the Super Bowl anymore (it’s true) and so – you know – why the fuck not?

        So it’s imperative for the NFL to fight that kind of power – the Vegas organizers – who can amass that kind of money and run a long play like that with credibility.

        Real Casino operators are not Andy Garcia like doofuses like in the Danny Ocean series. They can and would rig a big bet like that for all the same reasons that people do stuff; because they could.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          I agree. Imagine if the NFL regulates gambling. Then, let’s say, Michael Vick becomes a “bridge” QB for a team next season, let’s say the Raiders.

          Well, some gambling house/interest comes up to Vick, “Hey, Vick, you know you’re just a temporary solution only making like $3M, and you’ll be lucky to see the whole contract. Well, my friends and I can offer you an offshore account of $20M when you retire if you throw a few games.”

          It can happen. Millions of scenarios. Then the Raiders and other teams now have to weigh such scenarios when arriving at FOOTBALL decisions.

          • MB30SD

            the raiders throwing games… that’s a funny thought since they do it for free most games each year.

            Yeah, I didn’t have a coherent insightful thought, just being silly. It’s all I bring these days.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            “Raiders throwing games fo free, might as well get PAID!” Michael Vick in 2014 in a parallel universe where Jeff’s proposal is law. Also, in that Parallel Universe, Jeff’s article is arguing about the corrupting influence of legalized gambling.

            Also, there’s a Thai living in Ireland writing about short “pinks” visiting planet Zena for a millennia…

          • Irish Sweetness

            Vick would certainly have no problem throwing games – in no team sport is it easier for a single player to throw a game. He throws five picks, nobody bats an eye.

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          “…nobody really cares who wins the Super Bowl anymore…”

          I think you have a great point there, and one that many ignore. By the time the SB happens, it’s almost anti-climactic. The players care – the bonuses involved alone would keep interest high (HA! See how I did that?), and the fans of each team care. That gamblers care is a given.

          Your line there is intriguing though. How do you resuscitate national enthusiasm on a more visceral level for the self-described biggest game of the year? It’s almost like you’d have to manufacture tradition, and (BLASPHEMY ALERT!) reconfigure the league so true dynasties were possible.

          • gpldan

            I agree with you that league parity and the destruction of dynastic regimes has been overall bad for the league.

            Now, instead of dynasties that rise and fall, you simply have organizational tiers. Ravens, Seahawks, Pats, Broncos, Niners, Packers are all organizations with dedication to winning and even they struggle to keep the personnel in place that allows competitive advantage over time, because 2nd tier clubs like the Bears will try and poach personnel, etc.

            The lack of a Redskins, Niners type club that crushes for 3-4 years straight has really made the league suffer. If everybody wins it eventually, it isn’t special anymore.

            I’m not sure how you correct that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Seahawks will.

            All they need is a couple of players on offense. They’re built to leave a phase at home and still win. Pete Carroll and the front office were really the only MVP of that game (MB’s boy Mr. Chancellor aside).

            You can rush three and still get to the QB? Gimme some of that.

          • johnnywad

            Skip the bye weeks and get on with it. The post season has too many gaps in it. I had already list interest waiting so I took my wife to the movies instead.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What did you see?

          • johnnywad

            Lone Survivor

          • Irish Sweetness

            It was your turn to choose.

        • johnnywad

          But what does any of that mean? I ask this in all seriousness because I just don’t get it. The huge gambling houses are already in place and taking shitloads if cash in for every game. Couldn’t the fix already be jn? What’s the difference where they’re located? Mark Sanchez can’t be had for a payout because the sports books are in Vegas and he isn’t . . . . . . but if the books were to pop up in Jersey, suddenly there’s a problem? What am I missing?

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            I’m a little confused too because I’m not exactly sure what Jeff is arguing. I think he’s saying that Goodell and the NFL should embrace legalizing gambling, but if the NFL does that, I think they lose all ‘moral high ground’ in telling players NOT to gamble.

            “The rest of America can gamble, but not you, NFL player/employee.” Meanwhile, there would be 20 shows on NFL Network about spreads, props, parlays…It would only be a matter of time before a player sees THAT as hypocritical and begins to gamble. Then, SOMEONE will get in a hole, and some sleazy character will approach said player with an offer he can not refuse.

            It can happen now, but the NFL is at least trying to reduce those chances with its ‘hard stance’.

            They’re making BILLIONS, why risk that just to benefit other parties who can’t kickback legally?

          • johnnywad

            I can go online and bet anything I want anytime I want. Its unlikely that a good number of players aren’t doing it as well. Just look at all the other stupid shit they do. Aaron Hernandez, Sam Hurd . . . . . . Moral high ground can be the only reason which is ironic isn’t it?

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            It is ironic, but perhaps necessary. No coincidence that no major sports embraces gambling openly. It’s like having an affair. You can’t exactly take your mistress to family functions, and yet you can’t stop fucking her.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Players could never bet enough online to warrant throwing a game though. Your bookie has to have ‘the’ as a middle-name to get those big bets on. The biggest double-bet I can make online is about 225 euro, although I never tried to have that same bet twice, I’m a teacher.

            Mark Cuban if he can be believed – said he made 20 million dollars off the first scoring play being a safety. I don’t know what the odds were, but I’m guessing he had a mill on at 20-1. Disclaimer : how many other bets did he have, and how much does he lose yearly …. gamblers don’t talk about this.

            The odds his bookie was called Paulie are very high.

          • johnnywad

            It was +4000

          • gpldan

            What am I missing?

            I think the issue now is competition. No one casino owns Vegas, it’s done a good job with the gaming commission of creating balance. the town is running 100 sports books for the Super Bowl, nobody has anymore than $50M in play, even the Bellagio and the big casinos nobody has the organization to do things like infiltrate a high paid player and get him to turn.

            If they did, the risk is they would get caught. And if they get caught, nobody will bet there anymore and they are done.

            In another state, with another commission, a monopoly might form and if one casino gets big enough and wants to take a big dip, it becomes more feasible it could be pulled off.

            Despite what Irish thinks, conspiracies are hard. But if Casinos get big enough and the money consolidation into one spot happens, the temptation to taste is huge.

            If I run a Casino, and I “own” a QB, and it’s a huge game, I line up all my vested interests on one side of the money (the winning side) and then adjust the line until the balance is there, and then all my pals win and win big. But it’s gotta be worth it. It’s gotta be worth crossing the NFL and the Feds and everything, so it’s gotta be a very big score.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Alright, I’m in!

            Oceans 14, I’ll play the part of Pit, now we just need the rest of the crew.

          • MB30SD

            Of course you choose pit. Smh.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            I actually look closer to Clooney, but since GP came up with the idea, I’ll choose Pit. That, or Ernie Mac (oh wati).

          • MB30SD

            ok, can I be basher? or maybe scott caan’s character.

          • Irish Sweetness

            See above, GP. Soccer. Rotten. And there are different levels of conspiracy. Snooker is well known for players throwing matches. they can make far more from gambling cartels paying them off than they can from snooker. You have to win a lot to make decent money at snooker .. but if you can miss that last pink in the final frame of a semi-meaningless match for 200K ….

            Horse-racing is another sport infamous for betting Coups. Google ‘yellow sam’, or any number of stories from days gone bye. Barney Curley was a legend at it. It was a lot more interesting before mobile phones and when there might only be one phone-box at a race-course. Smart people always a find a loop-hole or a weak link in a chain if there is one.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yup. See uh … what you guys call “soccer” … for what happens when gambling gets into it.

          FIFA is one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet. It’s run by people who wouldn’t know a football if you showed them one, and it’s decided in advance who advances into major competition finals – there’s too much money at stake to allow it to be a fair game.

          Exhibit A :

          There was no way they were letting Ireland into the 2010 World Cup instead of France, the ref was clearly under instruction as to who was going through before the match. Game tied. Extra time. The ref does not want this going to penalties – Ireland has the better keeper – and is under pressure. The whole world watched Thierry Henry execute a double hand-ball, with control, inside the penalty box. So disgustingly blatant that the ref had probably advised him “just get it in the net any which way”. After the game, the players, French and Irish, sat around talking about it on the field afterwards. Flabbergasted. Embarrassed. Heartbroken. Unprecedented. The biggest most money-laden game on the planet bar none, yet there is NO instant-replay or video, or anything in place to protect the integrity of money masters simply won’t allow it.

          The amount of gangsterism is unbelievable. Actual gangsters, I mean.

          Andres Escobar, the Colombian defender whose own goal against the United States helped eliminate his nation from the World Cup was shot dead for costing somebody millions. Perhaps his namesake from his own hometown of Medellin? As with every conspiracy, follow the money.

          The NFL is far from corrupt, the introduction of the challenge flag proved that. The existence of multiple officials, video evidence, all support some effort to keep it clean. It may not be virgin white, but it’s nothing like soccer, which is rotten to its very core.

          The fact the England won a world cup proves that.
          (ducks)

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Maybe the leagues themselves can’t profit, but I can easily envision kickbacks through 3rd party ghost companies, off shore accounts, millions dollar vacations, etc.

        Ya know, like what Big Oil, Guns, Tobacco, Pharmaceuticals ‘donate’ to politicians.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Any chance of a short piece on Philip’s passing, Jefe? I left a short one on the other thread, but at least you’d met him. Any cool little stories about the ciggy breaks outside The Public?

  • gpldan

    What were the odds on the prop bet being that the first play Denver ran from scrimmage resulted in a safety?

    I have to imagine that was a 250-1 bet or better.

    • Max

      50-1 for it being the game’s first score.

      Not sure on the odds that it would be Denver’s first play.

    • Irish Sweetness

      First play of the game being a safety would be around 2000-1 off the top of the head.

  • MB30SD

  • gpldan

    50 Bags of Heroin sounds, strangely, like a movie that PSH would be in.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/philip-seymour-hoffman-dead-46-autopsy-expected-today-article-1.1600477

    Sad – but with that much in his possession, he was a freight train to the afterlife with no brakes. Addiction had him by the balls.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Aside #1 Look at the photo of his body being removed. Look at the coroner(?) – smiling? I wouldn’t smile with that dead thing on your head dude. Is that a cat?

      Aside #2: With his kind of money I wouldn’t want my heroin cut with anything. He could afford pure, medical-grade heroin, which is surprisingly non-damaging if you’re careful. See Keith Richards.

      Heath Ledger. Philip Seymour Hoffman. We lost a great actor.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Apparently he’d been off Heroin for 20+ years? I guess it’s hard to have the greatest feeling on earth play with your mind all the time. Knowing it’s out there, and you have the money. That’s why I never tried it. Somebody told me once that there was nothing else like it on earth, so I vowed never to try it.

      • Irish Sweetness

        See Lou Reed’s ‘perfect day’, or The Strangler’s ‘Golden Brown’.

  • My Bad Guys, My Bad…

    Jeff, I’m being completely serious. This was a great piece. Sometimes I feel that you mail it in if you’re super busy with something else or just have a run of ho hum weeks where nothing interests you. When you are on your game you put together solid, noteworthy posts.

  • Trac

    “He who controls the spice, controls the Universe.” – Anyone?

    • MB30SD

      David Beckham?

      • gpldan

        Ha!

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        I see what you did there.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Marco…

    • gpldan

      Benny Gessarit?

      • Trac

        Damn, I know that was strictly from memory and not googled because you got the spelling wrong.

        I loved that book, is that wrong?

        • gpldan

          No, why would it be wrong? It’s a masterpiece of prescience.

          You can read Herbert’s book now and see exactly in it the modern day situation in the middle east.

          The Americans, the Russians and the British before them didn’t invade Afghanistan because of the Taliban or Osama Bin Laden. He turned out to be hiding across from Pakistan’s West Point Academy anyhow.

          We went in to disrupt the world’s opium supply as a means to disrupt international terrorist funding. It worked – for a few years. And then, it didn’t. We had no House Harkonnen to install there, so the Fremen took it back.

          And now the spice flows. And the shipping guilds are happy again.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The CIA were the first to fly cocaine directly into the states en masse. Not a conspiracy theory, but conspiracy fact. What do we feel about that, Amercia? What do we feel about an org that isn’t supposed to be doing ANYTHING on American soil in any case?

            Ahhh… the off-season …. anybody looked up Sgts. Clifford Stone and Bob Dean on Youtube yet? Are any of you guys police-officers or criminal investigators, where understanding of body-language is key? As an amateur, I’ve watched all of the youtube videos on body-language and the science of lying, and I’ve watched all of the testimonies of these two ex-military guys, and I’m not noticing any red flags. Their stories are literally out of this world.

            Philip Corso – he of “The day after Roswell” book is even more impeccable as a witness. He was tasked with intelligence control after the two Roswell crashes. Former Canadian defense Minister Paul Hellyer (with whom I have been in email contact, and who has used some information I gave him in television interviews) was reading the “The day after Roswell” when his son, who was in the US forces I believe, saw it. He said his General knew stuff about it. Hellyer rang the General in question, whom he knew, and when the guy picked up the phone – before a word had been spoken – said “it’s all true Paul, every single word.”. Aside : the end of the book deals with alien bases on the dark side of the moon, which is why kennedy wanted to share the moon ‘race’ with the Soviets,and why Reagan wanted to share the cost of SDI with the Soviets. Who were they afraid of? Why did Reagan make all of those strange comments during his presidency re aliens?

            Colonel Philip J Corso had higher security clearance than the President of the United states. He waited the required 50 years of his security silence waiver, and the death of his last superior officer (Gen. Trudeau, I think), before publishing his story on Roswell in 1997, in which he was a key figure entrusted with the cover-up. these are the men we should listen to, the men with nothing to gain, the men who kept their mouths shut out of a sense of patriotism until they weren’t required to do so anymore.

            The whole shebang started in 1947 with the Roswell crashes, and the NSA and all of those super secret agencies popped into existence the same year. The reverse-engineering of flying saucers, anti-gravity control and gravity manipulation were in working order ten years later. Controlling gravity wells gives you time-travel and matter transportation capability. The Philadelphia Experiment was not just a Hollywood movie, it was the first step into your military’s adventure into matter transportation – although they were initailly only trying for invisibility cloaks. There is a reason NASA have ceased space exploration and have to rent space on Russian rockets to get to the ISS. Space travel is now entirely under the domain of the U.S. Navy, they are not only capable of anti-gravity propulsion, they’ve been doing it for sixty years and most flying saucer sightings and ‘boomerangs’ are craft of the Tenth Fleet of the United States Naval forces. They are developed in S-4/Area 51 at Indian Springs Nevada, a Naval territory that exists outside the jurisdiction of the United States and its constitution. Underground bases beneath many many U.S. bases are connected by high speed magnalev rail, and according to a general friend of Bob Dean, on the bottom level of S-4 is a portal that connects Indian Springs Nevada with the largest flying saucer construction site on Earth, Pine Gap, Australia.

            A good friend of mine at work has a brother who witnessed with his own eyes, flying saucers exit the establishment back in the Seventies. The cover story was that it was a jointly-run operation between Australia and the U.S. Navy originating from the Apollo missions/radio contact and monitoring.

            I have video of anti-gravity machines being operated under U.S. control in Canada in the 1950s. I have video of flying saucers being constructed on U.S. bases in the 1960s, which I will post as a video on YT and share it with you, possibly some bringing unwanted attention on myself from some very dangerous people.

            And you paid for a lot of it. Trillions and trillions of dollars. Is that debt getting any smaller?

            You paid for and developed time-travel, de-materialization and matter transportation, and faster than light travel capability. Not science-fiction, but science-fact.

            Free and clean energy is being kept from you. They have perfected zero-point energy access (utilizing the energy from the ’empty space’ in atoms first discovered by Nikola Tesla, the greatest scientist in human history, and whose patents were all bought by George Westinghouse and put beyond use, although are visible on the U.S. patents website). Mr. Tesla died an old man in the New Yorker hotel in his eighties, with a fraction of the fame afforded Albert Einstein, whose equations do not take into account the now universally-accepted physics of quantum mechanics, and whose opinion that light speed cannot be broken is false (given his ignorance/refusal to believe the New Physics governing photonic behaviour). He said that “God didn’t play dice”. It has now been proven that indeed God does play dice, and that we live in a probabilistic universe (ref QM).

            Another friend at the Uni is a Professor of Material science who was tasked by the KGB in 1989 with investigating UFO related incidents, close encounters of the third kind. First-hand information that I will share also, and beyond a shadow of doubt the man is not lying to me, and is in fact very cynical about such things.

            I do not believe everything I see, and I publicly debunked Bob Lazar with some help from my Physics professor friends (though I notice Stanton Friedman had already debunked him from an educational-claims perspective).

            I have seen two UFOs with my own eyes. One at night with a friend, and corroborated by my sister, who was in a different part of the village. The other was the glowing-orb type, which I witnessed with about 40,000 other people at the Galway races in 1995 or 1996. A local paper dismissed it as St. Elmo’s fire, which is laughable.

            But let’s start at the start, and if Roswell is true ….

            R.I.P. Col. Philip J. Corso, and thank you.

            And down the rabbit hole we go …..

            … BOOM !!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Frank Herbert’s Dune. But …. no.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    It’s a good read, Jeff. Can tell you put a lot of work and research into it. However, I disagree with some of your points for various reasons. I will post them in separate parts, lest I accidentally write a thesis.

    My background:

    I do agree that in general most folks play fantasy for money. You cited about 75%, though how accurate that stat reflects reality is anyone’s guess.

    I am in that 25% who plays it for free. I started playing it about 3 years (thanks to this blog, you corrupting bastards). Never really had any interest in it before, and quite frankly, found all the FF related discussions (becoming increasingly more common and time consuming) on networks annoying. The ticker-tape stats scrolling through the bottom of the screen also irked me a bit. As a FOOTBALL fan and Bear fan, I didn’t need to know if Antonio Gates caught 7 balls for 86 yards.

    But all that has changed for me now. Now I am in THREE leagues (which I’m going to promptly go back down to 2 next year). NONE of them had fees. One was Irish’s standard league through ESPN (which I won, ahem). YES, that Irish. No gambling. That’s right. The second was Shady’s crazy no-hold barred auction league, also through ESPN. The last was Artoo’s league in his writer’s blog league, and he persuaded me to represent the honor of Da Blog and Bear-dom, so I obliged (his league was through Yahoo.)

    First point: FF is a game of chance.

    Now, I say this not to show off, but to state the facts (and to “not show off”). I made the championship in all three leagues this year. I won 1, the other 2 I lost, but nevertheless, making the finals in 3 out of 3 leagues is not exactly blind chance. I also have won an FF league the previous last two seasons; in other words, I’ve won a championship in the each of the 3 years I’ve been playing FF, or another way of looking at it is that I’ve been in the championship in 5 out of 6 leagues. I’ve also noticed that the same regs tend to win more often than not, so I’m not alone.

    One might conclude that it’s skill much more than chance. Now, before I start giving myself a hand job, let me say that when it comes to predicting NFL games, I am nowhere close hitting 83% success rate. In fact, just predicting which teams would win the playoffs this post-season, I was 69% successful, and that’s STRAIGHT UP. If one were to add lines (another layer of chance), then that success rate would drastically go down, probably closer to 51%, if that. This is the same brilliant analytical mind that’s relatively successful in fantasy. Why? Because I submit Fantasy is indeed less a game of chance. Is there chance involved? Naturally, but not as much as gambling on football outcomes straight up, and much less with lines, props, etc…

    This is just MY anecdotal observations, but accurate nevertheless.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      I can’t get into FF because it moves me across the entire spectrum of the NFL, and it seems to demand hours of stat study. I’m a Bears fan, and that’s it, and I’m not good with the “looks good on paper” side of the game.

      If some enterprising smart person could create a version of FF that involved only one division or was team-centric (that also didn’t require a degree in statistics), then the demographic that Jeff described as “middle aged white guys” that don’t play FF would, I think, get more into that aspect of it.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        It’s really not that statistics driven, depending which league you play in.

        A general format goes like this.

        A td (6 points).
        A passing td from a qb (4 points)
        More or less a point for every 10 yards.
        Pick a defense that you think will create a lot of turnovers/TDs.

        There’s a little more to it than that, but not much. The real trick is in finding players who CONSISTENTLY produce.

        But you’re right, FF DOES force you to track the ENTIRE NFL. So when the Jags and Texans are playing on Thurs, and you got players on either team, you might be watching it even if you don’t want to.

        But can someone blame the NFL for wanting to promote its product that way? No one is putting a gun to FF owner’s head. They watch it because they’re suddenly rooting for a rookie kicker or some 2nd tier HB to just get 50 yards. It can be fun, and I would argue that it expands an average fan’s knowledge of the NFL. But yes, to be good at it requires a bit of homework – if you would consider podcasts “homework.” I actually find a lot of the FF podcasts and some articles a hundred times more informative than those dumbasses on ESPN and NFL network.

        • NewBearInTown

          Here’s my thing. I don’t watch enough football to consider myself a FF wizard, but I have found a few things to be true in my fantasy football experience.

          (1) If I participate in the draft, I have a chance. Auto-draft kills you because most leagues don’t leave enough room for the waiver wire to be interesting. Luck is definitely a factor, especially because of injuries. But bad luck won’t drop you from first to worst. Good drafting is really the key to fantasy success.

          (2) The guys who are successful are guys who work on their teams every week. The leagues I’ve played in, probably 1/3 to 1/2 of the guys stop caring within a month, so there are easy pickings. How many teams on a weekly basis start injured players, players on bye weeks, players who have been performing terribly or benched. Why? The owner isn’t keeping an eye on things. I tried fantasy baseball one year; I started raking in points when I realized you could switch out your starting pitching on a daily basis.

          I’ve never been in a well designed league with all serious players who all stay in for 17 weeks. If that happened, I imagine it would be much more challenging.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            I agree, but most FF leagues are a lot like Da Blogs. Just average owners who fill up line ups casually. A lot of owners (like ARTOO!) just simply stop making their line-ups. I think that’s about average. Matthew Berry even admits as much.

            Not many leagues are “hardcore” where it’s a $5,000 entry fee and a sacko award for the worst team.

            Maybe Jeff runs with another crowd (Jersey, anyone?), but I don’t think FF is promoting gambling anymore than March Madness pools. Just something casual sport’s fans do for the fun of it.

            Gamblers will always find something to wager on. Heck, my friend dropped $200 in Vegas one morning playing High-Low.

            HIGH. LOW.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Nothing worse than getting beaten by a team where there are players on it who went IR weeks ago, and your points are sitting on the bench.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Change your kicker and defense weekly, unless you have Seattle.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Waiver wires are the key. Many studs come out of NOWHERE, even if it’s just for a few weeks.

          • MB30SD

            Like the Super bowl mvp… 7th rounder.

            All about the coaching and the support on the field? Uh oh.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It does force you into knowing exactly who is doing what, and the health of almost everybody in the NFL. Helps with betting too, when you know who’s hurting, who’s missing, who’s on drugs/under-performing etc. And vice versa with betting, you know who converts their third downs a lot, who stops people on 3rd down, yada yada …. so you know whcih teams/players might have good offensive production that week.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    “It has everything to do with the ONLY thing NFL owners care about: finding new methods to line their pockets.”

    If this were true, then wouldn’t the NFL embrace gambling? The NFL seems like any other corporation and wants to dip their beak into as many nests as possible. What can be more lucrative than taking billions from hapless gamblers? If anything, I can see Vegas trying to keep the NFL from their territory.

    Also, would you advocate that the NFL be in charge of a Gambling Commision? Goodell is fucking up the game without having to worry about gambling, imagine the bureaucratic nightmare that joining some Gambling Regulatory Agency would create.

    “The NFL is not only cultivating the next generation of football fans. They are cultivating the next generation of gamblers!”

    I dig the shock value but this is a bit of an exaggeration.

    Even IF 75% of FF leagues include some kind of fee, I imagine it’s not high-roller stuff. Maybe like a $25-$100 fee. That’s not exactly “Rounders.” Heck, some bingo games at nursuries probably go for that, so that would be like claiming, “Nursery homes all across America are turning the elderly into degenerate gamblers!” Sometimes our family used to put like $5-$10 bucks on games: pool, pocker, loteria, hell, even monopoly.

    I assure you, neither I nor none of my cousins became monopoly hustlers.

    Legalize gambling?

    Unlike pot or prostitution, gambling is not exactly ‘harmless’. Hard core gamblers have one of the highest suicide rates. Their debt destroys families. They often become drunks and drug addicts, and if they owe money to the wrong people, I imagine it’s not good for their hands, knees, ribs…

    I would contend that most FF sites are relatively low-ball, and as such, no need to bring in the NFL or any other Governmental Agency to come in and set up its mammoth red-tape.

    • Cormonster

      If the NFL profited on gambling, would that jeopardize their “non-profit” status? That may be another reason.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        I think that’s the issue. I don’t think the NFL would be allowed to legitimately profit from legalized gambling. Conflict of interest, and the such.

        But whenever BILLIONS are at stake, conflict of interest doesn’t last long. I think that kickbacks from gambling houses would undoubtedly end up laundering their way to the Owners and their cronies (like the Commish, if he plays nice).

        The scandal would eventually get discovered, and that would most likely be the death-knell of the once Billion dollar sport (unless it becomes like wrestling).

  • gpldan

    Jeff –

    I don’t know if you’ve developed a taste for taking on Chicago beat writers, but this ugly troll from Telander is worse than my Linda Lovelace joke.

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/25347359-606/peyton-manning-should-have-retired-saturday.html

    Telander has slowly devolved into that troll space that Mariotti inhabited; he’s become the Sun Times version of the Doomer. It’s an ugly column that spits on Manning when the AP just handed him the MVP today. Yeah, maybe it rings hollow, but he had a HOF season and a mainstream writer trolling him like that is pretty ugly and supposedly beneath a greybeard like Telander. Except it isn’t.

    • NewBearInTown

      I stopped reading when he said that safety was the fastest score in Superbowl history. Devin Hester anyone?

      • gpldan

        Yeah, for him to get that wrong is inexcusable.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Thank you. And NFL Network, NFL.com, Total access, every mofo in the business called it the fastest score ever. SMH. I was thinking, did Devin take so long to run it back that it wasn’t the quickest, did he do it quicker than 12 seconds?

        • NewBearInTown

          Okay, I checked. Here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVT91mNMS8A
          Play clock says 14:46 after the play, meaning it took 14 seconds regulation. To me, it looked like he probably crossed about a second earlier (so 13 seconds).
          NFL.com has the safety highlight. Play clock showed 14:53 before the snap (I don’t remember the run). 14:48 after the safety (12 seconds).
          So here’s my feeling. If you go by regulation time, the safety is the quickest score. But if you go by any other metric, Hester takes it. In particular: (a) Hester scored in one play rather than two plays; (b) Hester scored much sooner in real time given that there was no stoppage once the game started; (c) the Hester play started with more time on the clock, even if it took longer to complete.
          Bottom line: Bears.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      It’s because Manning embarrassed him last night. Sports writers hate being embarrassed. I don’t know of another NFL player that goes from being deified to demonized faster or more often than Manning. He’s the best that ever was, then he’s a one-legged choker who ruins a pre-written lead for the morning-after deification.

      Seriously, can you think of anyone else playing right now that goes from top to bottom in less than a single news cycle?

      • Trac

        Jeff had Manning all the way as well. Jeff dropped a grand on him and then drops the Hammer on the NFL’s gambling position. Go figure.

        I can’t take Jeff’s article seriously because he’s a gambler. Not exactly objective.

        • SC Dave

          Wow… awesome

          • Trac

            Actually gambling has no appeal to me anymore. To each his own.

        • gpldan

          Jeff dropped a grand on him and then drops the Hammer on the NFL’s gambling position.

          He sent Fred Williamson? Man, that IS serious.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Fred Williamson. AKA “Spearchucker Jones”?

        • johnnywad

          Read the headline again Trac. How does Jeff’s gambling detract from his point that the NFL’s position is hypocritical? You’ve missed the point of this piece.

          • Trac

            Not a headline reader johnny but I read the peace. Its a political ideological piece that really has absolutely no appeal to me.

          • johnnywad

            And yet you felt compelled to get on here and seemingly discredit Jeff’s position because he gambles. This is probably the most thorough piece he’s written on this blog with the exception of the Mental Health stuff last fall. You either gamble or you don’t. Neither precludes you from writing a piece like this. In fact, I would argue gambling makes the author more qualified, not less.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But the whole basis of the argument is false. You can bet on literally anything in life. It doesn’t mean the thing you’re betting on promotes gambling.

            Derivatives are for people who want to bet billions on say, a country falling into the toilet, and then the person who makes the bet, causes that country to fall into the toilet. It’s how the banks made money off the property crisis. It’s how Rockefeller etc. got rich off the Depression. Give out a bunch of loans, and call them back in at short notice. Bang! Depression. You suck up all their property as collateral. It’s how fuckers like Cheney and Rumsfeld get so rich. What are their salaries as state figures? Puny.

          • Trac

            Some of it’s tongue in cheek, some of it’s just plain disagreement. Discredit? You’re joking right? I actually think it’s funny that someone who just lost a grand unleashes an op ed on the NFL’s stance on gambling. My comments weren’t from a moral position, just my thoughts. Trust me, I’ve paid for many a marble floor at more than one gambling establishment in Vegas back in the day. I do think Jeff’s comments are just hyperbole.

            Still, I do get sick and tired of railing arguments against the Evil NFL owners and the commissioner. What is truth? I actually don’t care whether the NFL goes all in on gambling or not.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Jeff backed the Broncos to the tune of a grand? Wow. Defense of the year +3.5 was a bet I promised myself not to take for my babies. Turtlehead’s demise was enough for me.
          Defense wins championships. End of. Didn’t see the blowout coming though.
          Denver lose in superbowls 55-10 and 43-8. Sweet. Bill Murray sweet.

          • MB30SD

            Tooting my horn… i saw it.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Betting on fantasy is crazy if it’s big money. Rodgers goes down in week one and you’re looking at Colin Kapernick?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Props on denigrating your own Linda Lovelace joke, GP.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Speaking of gambling, my aunt came over and watched some of the SB. She NEVER watches football, and has no clue about any of it. Well, midway through the 3rd quarter, she turned and asked me, “Is the mafia in the NFL?” I was like, “What?” “You know, do they pay players?” I responded, “they’re not supposed to. Maybe they do, but nothing has really been found.” She just said, “OH”. Then I elaborated, “The Broncos are just playing horribly. It only appears as if they’re on the take.”

    Oh, and she also finds that Bruno Mars fellow entertaining because it reminds her of the early 60s.

    • gpldan

      He does give off a Frankie Valli vibe.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Frankie Vallie turned into…Larry Johnson!

    • SC Dave

      Reminded me a bit of Little Richard

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    More gambling theme…Here are the favorites to win next year’s SB.

    Super Bowl XLIX

    49ers, Seahawks: 5-1.

    Broncos: 11-2.

    Patriots: 10-1.

    Saints, Packers: 15-1.

    Eagles, Panthers: 22-1.

    Chiefs, Colts: 25-1.

    Steelers, Bengals: 28-1.

    Bears, Chargers: 30-1.

    Giants, Ravens, Falcons, Cardinals, Lions: 35-1.

    Cowboys, Texans: 40-1.

    Dolphins, Redskins, Rams: 50-1.

    Jets, Buccaneers, Vikings, Browns: 75-1.

    Bills, Titans, Raiders: 100-1.

    Jaguars: 150-1.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

    • NewBearInTown

      Steelers, Chiefs are rated too high.

      Jets, Buccaneers and Ravens are too low.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      that’s actually respect. 30-1 to win the superbowl with no actual defense currently intact. Put your bet in now before they start signing dudes.

      • NewBearInTown

        Meh, I think the Bears are a better bet for 2015 if that’s available. I suspect this year we will go from 8-8 to around 10 wins while making the playoffs. I see us winning one and getting eliminated. Similar to the Saints this year.

        Two years from now, if we continue the upward trend, there will be fewer rookies on D and the offense will be in the famed year 3. That’s the year I think we make a run.

        The Pack made a similar run when they won a few years back.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Funny, isn’t it? The Bears will get their defense together about the same time that Jay walks out the door.

          • MB30SD

            look on the bright side my maingses… maybe McCown will take a weekly sunday day-trip from his nursing home to QB for us.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “Saucer of milk for table two!”

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        I didn’t think it was too shabby considering the utter feces to the face which the Bears D is.

        I honestly believe if we get into the playoffs, we can cause some serious damage. We just need a power RB though.

        We match up well against the 9ers and Seahawks now in my estimation. NOBODY is gonna punk our “Trees” and our Oline is dramatically improved, much better than most of the teams that were in the playoffs.

        Our D just has to become opportunistic once more.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Nah, mang. The Seahawks D would eat Cutler’s lunch. Can’t force things into that safety pairing, no way. They’d hammer us. Our D couldn’t stop a nose bleed either. Now with Josh under center, we’d have more of a sporting chance, at least he wouldn’t turn it over as much.

          • MB30SD

            smh

          • Irish Sweetness

            Look at it this way, Manning would have eaten our lunch. The Seahawks made him look ordinary and mortal. The Hawks are definitely better than us right now. They have three phases, we have maybe one and a half.

          • MB30SD

            my point is that different teams play different teams differently. Ha!

            Exhibit #1, the az cardinals kicking the hawks ass… at HOME!!!

            Any given sunday maings.

          • Irish Sweetness

            People underestimated the Cards defense this year – on their day, but still very Jekyll and Hyde.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    On non-gambling note, here’s some Bears’ news.

    “Bears RG Kyle Long gave up just two sacks on his 1,070 snaps as a rookie.

    Long did allow nine quarterback hits and 21 hurries, so it
    wasn’t all peaches and cream. But he was certainly effective as a
    16-game starter, paving the way for the Bears to average 6.27 yards per
    carry when running right, getting penalized just three times and earning
    a trip to the Pro Bowl as an injury replacement for Mike Iupati.
    Thought of as a reach at 20th overall on draft day, Long turned out to
    be fine value.”

    – Rotoworld.

  • SC Dave

    To me, worrying about the NFL on gambling is a joke whe n you consider how the governments of most states have outlawed gambling except where they own the action, i.e. lotteries.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      In Cali there’s more than a few Indian Casinos. I think originally they had lower taxes, but the state began running propositions to raise their taxes.

      • SC Dave

        Yeah, but thats only because legally the reservations are neither california nor us territory… i.e. no jurisdiction to estop them.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    for some of the sci fi nerds on the blogs

    http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2014/02/star-wars-nfl-helmets-john-raya/

    check the last one on page 2. perfect.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The Ryloth Twileks? That got me and ….em ….I’m a longtime Starwars.com Hyperspace member.

  • MB30SD
    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)
      • AlbertInTucson

        Gotta hand to Mr. Takei. He’s turned himself into a cottage industry.

    • johnnywad

      If I were single I’d take the one on the left. You could be my wing man and work the “try hard’ on the right.

      • MB30SD

        You’ve been around longer than that haven’t you?!

        ‘The one on the left’ is Kate upton, my crush of all time. Common maing.

        • johnnywad

          Oh yeah. I’ve been around that long. You’re not the only one with the crush my man. It would probably be like a B grade made for TV movie. You and I settling it “like men” in the parking lot next to your ’74 Camaro screaming “She’s mine!” while she walks away with the captain of the Water Polo team from the local University. Meanwhile, the “try hard” is there waiting for the fight to end,cuz she’ll go home with the winner instead. Or the loser. Either way

          • MB30SD

            It’s a transam

    • Irish Sweetness

      The chick on the right hand side is S-C-A-R-Y.

  • MB30SD

    ok.

    http://instagram.com/p/j8DxjTknuN/

    the tweet at the end was inappropriate, but funny.

  • AlbertInTucson

    ‘”Skill Exception”. Talk about a convenient rationalization

  • AlbertInTucson

    I read a lot all about that early snap and “nobody could hear” but, I submit that even if Manning was ready, that snap was BAD and probably would have wound up in the endzone anyway.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      One story today quoted Sherman as saying they broke Manning’s hand-signal code early in the 1st quarter, and that was Denver’s doom. The much bally-hooed over snap safety was incidental to the dismantling of the Denver Broncos.

  • gpldan

    I found an article online that Vegas’ totals for the Super Bowl betting was $116M.

    That’s just not enough to scale a takedown of a key player that can throw a game. Across the 10 largest casinos, that’s only $16M per casino in betting. In actuality, no one casino would have more than $12M. Taking a side on that bet with insider, you could put $3-4M into play before the fish smell came out, and if you split that pot with the player – anyhow, given NFL salaries that’s just not enough coin to take a huge score and incur that risk. If the player is an addict, eventually he’ll squeal and then the whole thing is shot, and a Casino is worth billions.

    No – scale just isn’t there. I thought more was bet on the big game than that.

    • NewBearInTown

      Wonder if there are reliable estimates on how much is bet illegally. Have to wonder if the biggest unregulated bookie in the world carried more than $10M on the big game.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      I think $80M in a Swiss bank account would be enough to buy a kicker, don’t you think?

      I actually thought that number would be a lot bigger too.

    • johnnywad

      I wonder if you could get it done with $500,000 or so to some special teams minion. A missed block and a few whiffed tackles in the return game goes a long way in a close one.

      • gpldan

        I’m sure Sam Hurd would have taken it.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Fantasy = Gambling ?? Bullshit.

    Irish by name, Irish by nature – therefore I gamble. My father brought me to racetracks from the age of 8 and taught me how and when to do so (I won on football this year. I did not last year. NOBODY won betting football last year).

    I play Fantasy Football, ten teams this year, 18 teams last year. Never played for money. Ever. Only play it for fun. I was playing Fantasy Football 20 years ago (soccer, never played it for money).

    You can bet against two flies on a wall. It does not mean entymology promotes gambling.

    Logic is cool isn’t it, Doc?

    (lights cigarette)

    Next?

    • Shady

      Also great advice for dating women.

      • gpldan

        True ‘dat

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      1.6 Billion with a fucking B Irish. That is annual spending on Fantasy Sports. Don’t use whiskey logic. Use real logic.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Never spent a penny on fantasy yself, mang, that’s all. It’s not a ‘gateway drug’.

    • CanadaBear

      My name is very Irish, my dad was 100% Irish. He lived up to all the stereotypes. Hard drinker, loved to gamble, great storyteller, endlessly entertaining, until the party stopped. Then all those charming quirks aren’t so charming. I was following in his footsteps for years and finally got my shit together. Just because your old man was a gambler doesn’t mean you have to go down that road. It’s not exactly fate.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Like him, I learned early – “only bet what you can afford to lose”.

        I did take a big risk one time though, a month’s rent (that I couldn’t afford to lose) on a 2 year old filly called Pipalong. Five furlongs, soft ground. I didn’t think she could lose … and she didn’t. Went in at 5/2 I think. Never took that kind of risk again though. For MB it would be like dipping into Kate Upton and then turning celibate.

  • MB30SD
    • CanadaBear

      We had a pretty good one. Then it got old, injured and the replacements sucked moose wang. That was fast!

  • CanadaBear

    Don’t gamble, don’t play FF and I don’t care. Nothing against people who do. I’m not going to put the time into FF. Lost a few bucks over the year gambling (less than $100 in 61 years) and never did find it to be fun or entertaining. After working in casinos for 2-3 years it mostly makes me feel bad for the addicted gamblers. The NFL would be insane to get in bed with Vegas (read organized crime). I’m pretty much the poster boy for old white guys that like the NFL. If the NFL was in bed with Vegas I’d stop watching the NFL instantly. Pretty sure I’m not alone.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      I like this comment. Very well said, Canada.

      The heart of football is already undergoing it’s 4th major bypass, and frankly, I think they are running out of arteries in the legs to grab. Legalized gambling would take fan free agency to a whole new and deadly level. Some things need to remain okay to do just outside the light, but not legalized.

      For me, this goes more to the dinosaur fans like me (and you). I am still a Bears fan, but it’s a game I hardly recognize anymore.

      • Trac

        After reading Jeffs piece, I initially had the knee jerk instinct to say I’d turn away from following football but after thinking, I realized that this game is always changing and that I follow football more for what it used to be than what it is today. I have no way of knowing how gambling would ultimately effect the game should the NFL go all in so I’d really just have to take a wait and see approach. My gambling days are long gone and I wouldn’t care about how that aspect of it would effect me, only how it would effect the game.

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          “…following it for what it used to be…”. Yeah. I know that describes me too in lots of ways.

        • CanadaBear

          My take on it is if the NFL was in bed with Vegas, I’d never have any idea if the games were on the level. If that’s in doubt, you might as well watch the WWF.

          • Trac

            With the inconsistent rulings of officials and the constant influx of new rules, I’m not sure which would be worse.

    • Trac

      I have to say your comments are spot on Canada. Bully, here here.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Check out Louis Theroux’s doco on YT about LV casinos. One great thread is a guy who takes his elderly exdoctor mother to play the high-stake slots everyday and she’s blowing all his inheritance daily. Love is.

      • MB30SD

        You’ll like runner runner… fun flick. The chick is hooooot

    • Irish Sweetness

      Never bet what you can’t afford to lose.

  • Shady

    Tobi, hope you still have that Coyote fur coat. Namath is bringing sexy back!

    • MB30SD

      oh, you think you can just waltz back into all of our lives now?!?! Where the fuck have you been!?

      It doesn’t work like that!

      …Now show all of us your gefilte fish tat.

      • Shady

        Get your ps4 yet?

        • MB30SD

          no. just got back from SA and trying to get back on track. Jet lag been kicking my ass. Haven’t gotten a full 7 hr night yet.

          maybe this month.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “Haven’t gotten a full 7 hr night yet.”

            I GOT TWO FUCKING HOURS LAST NIGHT!!

            {That’s because you were on here writing about aliens and then playing your sill tank game you crazy fuck!}

            HEY!!

      • Irish Sweetness

        He had me at ‘Tobi’.

    • tobijohn

      Yup, it’s in storage at Macys back in Chicago. Broadway Joe lives down here next door to a former customer of mine. His dogs and daughter always seem to be getting into trouble. The dogs for running loose and biting people and the daughter for drugs. Or was it the other way around? I can’t remember…

      • MB30SD

        Awesome jacket or no… sorry TJ, cats are still gross

        • MB30SD
          • tobijohn

            I guess that would be the equivalent of us eating monkey steaks…

          • Irish Sweetness

            Don’t knock Bonobo Burgers until you’ve tried them.

            Anyone got any bananas?

        • tobijohn

          Love it! Here’s a Hint from John for you – most people think that you should clean up cat puke immediately. However, I’ve found that if you let it sit for several hours, it easily can be peeled right up, similar to dried candle wax off of a table. In the meantime though, best to put one of these down:

          http://www.doobybrain.com/2008/08/07/caution-sign-that-warns-you-of-cat-vomit/

          • MB30SD

            lovely.

          • tobijohn

            I though you’d like that…

          • MB30SD

            yuck

          • Irish Sweetness

            Or you can dry it and sell it as ‘marmite’ ….

          • MB30SD

            Or bovril depending on what the cat ate.

            Both disgusting

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fucking Bovril. SMH.

          • MB30SD

            so nasty. When I was back home last week I made myself try them both again. Bovril is actually better. Marmite is just so damn potent. Gross.

            Do you guys have anchovy paste too? That shit is also horrible.

  • Sactowns#1

    Risking the chance of sending Trac and Irish into anti-govt tirades why cant we just have state run sports betting like they do in Canada? I guess they only let you do parlay bets but thats easily remedeed.

    • gpldan

      I’m trying to imagine a parlay board with the POTUS symbol on top of it.

      I think they should name the first Casino “Mos Eisley”

    • Cormonster

      The govt would find a way to lose money.

    • Trac

      Actually the Bible says all governments are given their authority by God. The government of the world is upon Jesus’s shoulders. More?

      • MB30SD

        no thanks.

        • Trac

          ha ha ha ha.

          • MB30SD

            Semicolon….. close parentheses

      • Irish Sweetness

        Then we need to sue God for duty of care, because it’s proper fucked down here.

        • Trac

          You’re looking at it wrong. God never gave govt the right to bugger, steal, rape, lie, cheat, or murder. Satan owns that lot.

          • MB30SD

            So god is… losing?

            The marketing campaign on this is looking worse and worse

          • Trac

            Because your definition of science involves faith and science and you refuse to be honest about that? Molecules to man in not science, it’s a belief system. That is the argument.

            I think your side uses an unprovable Historical scientific argument to discredit the spiritual aspect of faith. I always wonder why people that don’t believe in God find it so important to prove He doesn’t exist. What I see happening in society today falls directly in line with what the Bible predicted as there will be a day even in this Country where it will be illegal for a believer to state his conscience. So yes, to deny this is the trend would be foolish. But here’s the kicker, believers will still continue to state their conscience in spite of the risks because they refuse to bow to man before God because that’s what this is all about.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure about that Trac. The vast majority of people in the US have some stake in religion. Don’t see that changing any time soon. You know me, I’m a live and let live person. I have no issue with people being religious as long as they aren’t trying to restrict my rights. Maybe I’m way off base but I think the majority of people that don’t believe in religion feel the same way.

          • Trac

            Fair comments. Thanks Canada.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He protected his ministers on the buggering part…..

          • Irish Sweetness

            Or at least the pope did … and he’s God’s voice on Earth, right ?

          • Trac

            Hardly.

          • Trac

            No he didn’t. Rome covered it up. Big difference.

          • MB30SD
          • Trac

            Watched the debate last night. I have come to understand that because people have differences, they shouldn’t reject the good things each of us can offer each other. It’s a small mind that feels they have to shut down the opposition. Chew the meat and spit out the bones.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Gambling is completely legal in Ireland, and is taxable. If people want to bet in a bookie shop, you pay tax. If you back on-course, it’s tax-free.

      • MB30SD

        Problem is boris the blade collects if you can’t pay

        • Irish Sweetness

          That’s the thing, there’s no illegal gambling in Ireland, so no Boris!

          • MB30SD

            booooooriiiiiiing

  • MB30SD

    my last thought on this bullshit:

    Read these… http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/03/here-are-over-1000-text-messages-that-richie-incognito-and-jonathan-martin-allegedly-exchanged/

    then this: Albert Breer
    I wasn’t remotely surprised by any of texts b/w Martin and Incognito. Not just normal for pro athletes. Normal for normal dudes that age.”

    Martin, you are either crazy, or you are an utter pussy. STFU and get out of football, nay… you shouldnt be let back into football even if you want to. You might have ruined a guy’s career (even if he is an asshole) over your inability to be a man. Ridiculous.

    • NewBearInTown

      After reading this, I have two thoughts if I’m an NFL GM.

      1. Richie Incognito is exactly what we thought he was – wild guy, parties too much, but takes football seriously and takes care of him fellow linemen.

      2. Jonathan Martin will never play another down of football.

      NFL teams understand they’re dealing with young guys with too much money. They understand that guys might get too drunk, might take the wrong girl home, might get into a fight. But they teach one principal above all else: take care of your teammates. Its the same thing the army teaches soldiers; you are loyal to the man standing next to you, the rest is secondary.

      How can you let Jonathan Martin into your locker room again? What teammate would ever trust him?

      Even if he’s an all world left tackle (which he’s not), I can’t think of a bigger risk to the integrity of a locker room on any roster last season. Josh Freeman being lazy wasn’t this bad. Dez Bryant being selfish wasn’t this bad. RGIII being best buds with the owner wasn’t this bad. This guy will literally destroy any trust at the most trust-dependent position on the field.

      • MB30SD

        I can trust you to take my childish, lazy rants and turn them into eloquently thought out summaries.

        Agree 100% NB. Incognito is a wild animal meathead… but that’s exactly what you want in a mauling guard. Martin is a cancer who can’t handle life… even the relatively ‘easy’ life of a highly paid pro athlete who gets to play the best game on earth for a living.

        I would take incognito for our line in a new york minute. in fact, please make that happen phil.

        • NewBearInTown

          I don’t know if Incognito would mesh with our line or not. I’m not saying that to disagree with you, I really don’t know. I don’t know if he’s the guy Long and Mills should be looking up to. I don’t know if he’d mesh with Garza and Bushrod. I don’t know how he’d feel about being a backup.

          But the coaches know. If they need a wildman to create a more violent mentality on the line, Incognito is a good choice. There are teams out there that will sign him. Jeff Fisher in St. Louis comes to mind.

          • MB30SD

            when it comes to football NB, I tend to always err on the side of taking the violent mauler in most situations and at most positions. QB and kickers really being the only exceptions.

            At guard I’ll take a richie “not very” incognito every time. In my mind, we have a strong enough lockerroom for it, and my gut tells me he’s going to calm things down a bit from now on. He struck me as a meathead, not an idiot.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            No, he’s an idiot. I despise the guy – nothing to do with the Martin thing. He’s a thug jack-off douche and I don’t want somebody that stupid on the roster.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dude! Where yo been?

          • MB30SD

            just win baby

          • johnnywad

            I’m thinking Long is about a season away from being the guy everybody else looks up to. Actually, I think Incognito could benefit from playing with Long. Long seems to have all the same ferociousness and rage but he’s not a dickhead. Howie probably has a lot to do with that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He’s a scumbag, in the unneccessary way …

          • MB30SD

            Who fucking cares? He’s a mauler… and last time I.checked this was football not tidily winks. Man the fuck up my son.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But nasty in a nasty way. Butkus was nasty, but he’ a nice guy. Incognito just sounds .. .fucked.

          • MB30SD

            100% he’s an asshole meathead, but he’s still a fucking mauler. can’t turn that down maings if we can get him for a good price. Let’s do this.

            The locker room will wort the rest out.

          • NewBearInTown

            My other comment still stands though… where do you put him on the line?

            We’ve got Long and Mills developing nicely, so no reason to disrupt the right side. We’ve got Slauson (new contract this year) and Bushrod (new contract last year) set on the left side. The only spot left is Garza’s, which everyone agrees is where we should be looking. But Richie is not a center. No reason to spend the money on a vet to ride pine. Give those roster spots to rookies, even UDFAs, and try to develop some inexpensive home-grown talent.

          • MB30SD

            You are 100% correct NB, but let’s not forget that we were as lucky on O injuries as we were unlucky with D injuries this year.

            My thought is, if we were able to get him on the cheap… and that’s a big question mark, I was just dreaming aloud… why not add the depth? I would almost be willing to guarantee we’ll lose one of those guys next year. It’s just the way it works, I hope not, but I bet it will. We can ALWAYS use more depth on the line.

          • NewBearInTown

            I wrote a nice big post about this just for you MB. Scroll down.

          • MB30SD

            thanks NB. up, right?

            I get what our apparent needs are, I’m just wondering if our back ups can be upgraded, like you said, for nothing more than vet min.

          • DaMurph

            Butkus wasn’t a nice guy, sorry Irish

          • Irish Sweetness

            Now, I mean ….

          • DaMurph

            I have a feeling Richie will be a nice guy, well liked and fun long after his playing days. Alex Karras also comes to mind. Conrad Dobler is a nice guy too now that his days are over. The attitude is tough to turn off and on, during playing carreers, the good ones almost always have that edge!

  • MB30SD

    AHHHHHH! the chupacabra!!!!

    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/02/03/dnt-man-claims-chupacabra-sighting.kprc.html

    Yeah, it doesn’t at ALLLL look like a coyote with mange. Jesus people.

  • gpldan

    MB –

    We need a ranking here. I guess Juan Pablo the latin lover got down with Clare (Girl 1) in this list on last night’s show. I would not have chosen Clare when Cassandra at #10 was there. That’s like drafting McCellin in the first round and not taking Chandler Jones. I think he should be called Phil Pablo.

    Please re-rank 1-27 for us.

    http://thoughtcatalog.com/christine-stockton/2013/12/ranking-the-girls-on-this-seasons-the-bachelor-in-order-of-how-depressing-their-lives-seem/

    • MB30SD

      I have no idea about the show because I don’t have a girlfriend/wife forcing me to watch that fucking turrible garbage. So I had no clue what you were talking about until I clicked the link.

      Also, 1-27 is too hard GP, but here’s my 1-5. I guess you can switch these out since they’re all pretty close. I’d give the top 5 chicks an average rating of 8ish. No 10s there from what I can see. If you can get me more unobstructed shots of legs/butt/boobs, I can rank further.

      Here’s my top 5: #14, #1, #17, #21, #23

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    you guys HAVE to see this: http://extramustard.si.com/2014/02/04/jared-lorenzen-highlights/

    Maybe there IS hope for zurple drank

  • MB30SD

    Oh my!!! How completely apros pro!

    You sirs, are welcome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEp4r2q9tTA#t=15

    BTW Irish… you should stop making vids about SF and SEA and do them for the bears. Sheesh.

  • MB30SD
    • johnnywad

      That’s about enough outta you mister. The snow on my sidewalk is halfway between my knees and
      my balls and the wind appears to be blowing about 162 mph.

      • MB30SD

        It drizzled a little overnight a couple nights ago. It was… escared.

      • CanadaBear

        You should be 5’2″ and 61 years old. Halfway between my knees and my crotch is about where my balls reside!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too much information? I own a home in the mountains in SE British Columbia. You should see the snow there. When I first bought the house I got a good deal on a 5 HP 2-stage snowblower. All my neighbors ride me about it and call it a snow pup. I love living there but they measure the snow in meters!

        • johnnywad

          Don’t know how you do it. This winter is beating me. Speaking of BC, my wife and I spent our honeymoon on South Pender Island, BC. It was beautiful. I think I could retire there. I’m guessing the winter is much more mild than here.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt the winters are milder there than Chicago. I’ve been on a few of the islands. We’re thinking about going to Naniamo on Vancouver Island for retirement. Rainy but not as wet as a lot of Vancouver Island. Unless you can get permanent residence status you won’t be retiring in Canada. Just like the US. You can stay for 6 months and then you gotta go. Before I came up here to get married I was planning on retiring around Medford, Oregon. Great climate, close to mts and ocean and not terribly expensive.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    damn, holding this place up on my own lately.

    This commercial made me crack up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csai_UBruRQ

    (actually, he kinda looks like me once his hair crawls off his head)

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      City of Broad Shoulders, MB…hang in there. The draft is just around the corner (oh shit, it’s how many more months? Fuuuuuuuuuuu……..ck.)

      • MB30SD

        thanks maings.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          I do what I can – which lately…ain’t much. What do you think about flying to NYC for the draft this year?

          • Cormonster

            You trying to fix Obamacare? It ain’t fixable.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Corm, corm, corm.

          • MB30SD

            you didn’t answer my penultimately important question above. (taping foot)

          • MB30SD

            Awesome idea. Would love to. You bringing your chick… If so she better have a Super hot friend for me, or be a badass wing girlfriend. Ha

      • Johnathan Wood

        combine in 3 weeks, FA in 5

  • MB30SD

    From the same dudes who brought us marten stuffed 40% alcohol beer (or whatever ridiculousness it was: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ46NTjrfpxgCnPtaKC79F5VRQ30L_mMfmwTBnv6v2xvNJ_gZu2), I give you: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/olympic-protest-beer–brewdog-releases-vladimir-putin–not-for-gays–brew-for-sochi-2014-103519739.html

    Oh,a nd they have their own show on the new Esquire channel. Good stuff maings.

  • MB30SD
    • Irish Sweetness

      is that a remote-controlled Sears thing? The shit they build in Dreamland can go so fast they go back in fucking time.

  • gpldan

    Here is the dude that sold PSH the 50 bags of H.

    http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1603014.1391621272!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/hoffman6n-12-web.jpg

    He looks like somebody in a movie who would be arrested for having huge amounts of H to sell.

    NYC descended on the guy with 50 cops. Nothing like a high profile OD and pending legislation to bring out the show. There’s more theater in this bust than in PSH’s Broadway show.

    In other news, 60 junkies OD’d in NYC yesterday from H. No manhunt for their dealer is currently underway. Nor will there be.

  • gpldan

    So I actually read the CBO Report. All the way through.

    Not some bullshit spin on the report, not what bullshit radio pundits SAY about the report, but the report itself. And so can you.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45010-Outlook2014.pdf

    So what it comes down to is that very poor people, people near or around the poverty line, will, because of increased access to Medicaid subsidies and lower cost health care, be able to work less. Because they have reasons to, you know – like taking care of children so their spouse can work, etc.

    Pulling people back from the labor force does not decrease jobs. It actually reduces unemployment as those hours still need to get filled. But Eric Cantor is like a shreeking vagina because the poorest Americans have been allowed to get slightly up from being pinned on the mat and is making all kinds of stupid stupid claims about labor participation. Things that the report show are objectively untrue.

    Obamacare is likely to lower unemployment. It’s likely to take a burden off of Emergency care providers like ERs as more people who had to use that system have access to normal doctor appointments. It helps in nearly every conceivable way.

    So people are hysterical bitches over it.

    • NewBearInTown

      Not every conceivable way. I’m making the changeover to an Illinois Healthcare Exchange plan now. We’re getting a good plan – gold level – and can see all of the same doctors we see now. And surprisingly, we come out slightly ahead – maybe save $100-200 a month.

      But the extra layer of red tape thanks to the government, marketplace and insurance companies all being involved has created so many headaches I’d be tempted to pay more to avoid the mess.

      Without posting all of my personal life on a public website, I’ll simply say that I will probably have to spend 20 hours total to get everything worked out. That is ridiculous.

      • SC Dave

        I keep my plan, and pay about 12% more.

    • johnnywad

      You actually read that?

    • MB30SD

      here you go GP…. next up… does god exist

      I would have prefered someone like degrassi represent the science side, but I don’t know his views on god.

      • gpldan

        I’d have preferred if Ritchie Incognito rushed the stage and pancaked that creationist dipshit, then pulled out his cellphone and instagram’d that shit.

        • CanadaBear

          Awesome!

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      I also don’t understand the Republican bitching about it (besides from a philosophical dogmatic stand point that “Less government is better no matter what”)

      If I’m a business (whom republicans fight for), and I no longer have to pay for the health care of my employees, I’m doing cartwheels. More profit in my pockets, or for R&D, or if I’m really in the Xmas spirit, gosh, hiring more workers!

      No one LIKES bureaucracies

      Unless you’re this guy http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/fqqyi0/futurama-bureaucrat-s-song

      But some are necessary, just like a standing Army. Even Ron Paul admitted that a standing Military, while repulsive to Libertarianism, is necessary in an imperfect world.

      • johnnywad

        What are you talking about Butch? Part of the Affordable Care Act is an employer mandate. Meaning by 2015, employers must purchase insurance for their employees.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          But if EVERYBODY is mandated, then it’s cheaper (theoretically).

          Same theory goes for car insurance.

          Also, the costs of the uninsured by most accounts is greater.

          Unless we as a society want to go back to denying children coverage due to preconditions, or allow the injured to die at hospitals because it’s more fiscially responsible.

          If someone wants to argue for that, go for it (Ayan Rand rises from the grave).

          • Cormonster

            You got any references where people were allowed to die because they lacked insurance? Especially the children? I know a lot of doctors, and my sister used to practice at the ghetto hospital in Milwaukee, and I’ve never heard of anyone denied medical treatment.

          • Trac

            I have more than a few. he he.

          • johnnywad

            I really don’t care what is done with it. The problem is unsolvable. The cost of the technology man has created to keep people alive and healthy far exceeds our ability to pay for the highest levels of care and treatment for all. It really doesn’t matter how the pie is sliced, or who slices it, or who gets pue first. There isn’t enough pie. My only issue was with your post regarding how businesses should view the policy. Its just not based in fact. I still love you though.

          • MB30SD

            mmmmmmmm… i loooooooves me some pue.

            (sorry, couldn’t resist)

          • johnnywad

            Me too MB. Me too…….. Hot, fresh pue

          • MB30SD

            Hahahaha

          • Trac

            No, if EVERYBODY pays SOMETHING then it is cheaper. The affordable health care act doesn’t come close to achieving that nor will it ever as long as votes are needed to elect our officials. I do know of a certain politician that would prefer to bypass Congress but he’s on the wrong side of the issue. Hmmm.

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s his opinion. Standing armies caused the fall of the Roman empire, there’s another. America has permanent bases in about 135 countries.

    • Cormonster

      Just an anecdotal story. I had a conversation with my statistics professor at UW-Madison around 1992 who spent over 5 years working for the CBO. He was one of the best teachers I ever had in college. He basically told me all of his work with the CBO was bullshit. They filed their reports based on assumptions from Congress. They are NOT an independent body. That report is probably as fraudulent as the average budget that the CBO analyzes.

  • MB30SD

    sochi starts up tomorrow. you want to talk about the epitome of corruption and grift…

    Russia, fucking really?! Jesus. even South Africa sounds like it was much more prepared for the WC a few years ago than russia is for this. Bathrooms not working, hotels not finished, toxic water. Pathetic man. It’s all about the money and it’s disgusting. This should never happen.

    • MB30SD
      • gpldan

        The Russian CBO is decidedly less transparent than our own, but loose estimates have the Russkies spending $50B on this shit. That would top the Chinese spending $42B, which shattered the previous record of $18B before that.

        At least the Chinese used that money to buy a summer olympics. But $50Big for cross country skiing and figure skating?

        Holy Tanya Harding batman, that is a baseball bat to the knees!

        Now I look at those HuffPost pictures of the shithole of these Sochi hotels, things that even a Nevada flophouse wouldn’t have and all I can do is laugh. What a shit assignment. I bet Bob Costas gets dysentery.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          I’m pretty sure the Russian TAXPAYERS are gonna foot the bill, while Putin and his cronies probably got insane kickbacks from hotel, etc industries to bring the olympics.

          They might be new to capitalism, but they’re learning very quickly.

          • gpldan

            Paulie Putin says “fuck you, pay me!”

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            who knew when the Berlin Wall fell that “Good Fellas” would become the founding fathers of the new Russian Republic…

          • MB30SD

            exactly

        • MB30SD

          GP, no feedback on my top 5 bachelor biatch ranking?

          • gpldan

            I didn’t think #1 belonged in the Top 5. I read HuffPo on the train on my tablet because it’s trashy and fun, I don’t watch that show. When I wait in the train station on the tv, there is George Stephonopolis talking about who Juan Carlos banged like it was serious news; like he was Ted fucking Koppell reporting on the Iran hostages. Shit is everywhere; these bitches do anything to be on tv. Guys too, for the bachlerotte. It’s what America is good at, I guess, I just didn’t think she was very bangable.

            The Alia chick, the one in law school who was hot – she got booted the first night. Hot lawyers are the worst – absolute worst – women to date. Their profession turns them into assholes and everything is a power game with them. Ick.

            And then one of the chicks you put on there was a plain jane that I just did not get. So, overall, I’d say our lists would vary widely.

          • MB30SD

            yeah, there really wasn’t really much there that I like at all. the one I had in the #1 spot was the only one I found really attractive. the rest just looked like chicks to me. The ones I didn’t pick I didn’t even find attractive.

            As for women lawyers… I almost ended up in a fist fight with one when I was in college. My bro was UCLA undergrad and USC law. Man those chicks in law school are even worse. So fucking horrible. ‘Orrible cunts they be. Think they have to act like they know everything and have bigger balls that all the men Yuck.

          • CanadaBear

            My favorite sister is a lawyer and I’ve met a lot of her female friends that are lawyers. Never had a beef with any of them. Always got along with all of them. I was always married and wasn’t trying to go to bed with them. Maybe that’s the issue.

          • gpldan

            They make you sign a contract that mandates you will eat pussy before a BJ.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m ALWAYS OK with that!

    • AlbertInTucson

      “..the epitome of corruption and griaft…”

      You mean it’s NOT Washington D.C?

      • MB30SD

        yes. we just hide ours better. ours is systemic and programmatic, theirs is much rougher around the edges and in the open.

  • johnnywad
  • NewBearInTown

    Inspired by the Incognito discussion, here’s a breakdown of where we’re currently at with the much improved O-line.

    Currently on the roster:
    Centers – Roberto Garza, Taylor Boggs
    Guards – Kyle Long, Matt Slauson, Eben Britton
    Tackles – Jermon Bushrod, Jordan Mills, James Brown, Jonathan Scott, Joe Long

    Boggs and Joe Long, I believe have never played a snap and could easily be cut before the next year starts. Otherwise, we’ve basically got 5 starters with at least two guys to back up at tackle and guard (Brown can do both). That’s 8 roster spots.

    We need a backup at center who can replace Garza as soon as this year and as late as 2016. Garza’s not getting more than two more years. I would not be surprised to see Emery let Garza walk and bring in someone younger/cheaper in FA, or else draft a center in the middle rounds. If Garza walks, we could conceivably go get two centers.

    Other than that, we’ll probably bring in guys to compete for the backup roles, but I think we’re pretty set. Mills might not be good enough to earn a second contract as the right tackle. Kyle Long might ultimately get moved outside to play tackle himself. But the team will keep those guys where they are now for another year to continue their solid development. I do not envision any free agent signing at tackle or guard for more than the vet minimum, if we sign anyone at all.

    Free Agent Targets:
    Bushrod is getting paid to anchor the line and the defense needs money to rebuild, so I don’t see any top tier signings (like Alex Mack). If Garza walks, we’ll give a one year deal to a mid-tier prospect in conjunction with drafting a future starter (think DJ Williams and Jonathan Bostic). Center prospects include
    – Rich Ohrnberger, C, Chargers
    – Ryan Wendell, C, Patriots
    – Ted Larsen, C, Buccaneers

    Draft Targets:
    Top picks will go to the defense, although Emery has been known to make surprise pickups. If he grabs a center, I think it happens in Round 4 or 5.
    – Tyler Larsen, C, Utah State
    – Gabe Ikard G/C, Oklahoma

    • MB30SD

      thanks NB. Nice overview.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      It would be nice if Taylor Boggs works out because he’s a long snapper too, if I remember correctly, so that would save us a roster spot.

      However, Mannelly and most likely Garza are returning this year.

      I would love Mack esp since 5 star centers almost never hit FA. I can’t even remember the last great one that has. If our D wasn’t such a mess, I’d love to go after him.

      But I agree with you. Late round center, 3rd-or-4rth can still get a top 5.

      The Bears have to think about playoff teams. Imagine those Seahwawk or 9er DTs. Imagine Garza pushing them back for a critical 3rd and 2 or goal? Neither do I.

      That’s the one great weakness we have on offense. Need more maulers and an angry HB.

      • NewBearInTown

        Do you know of any team in the league recently that has not had a dedicated long snapper on the roster? I’ve often wondered what the issue is that there aren’t at least some centers that can do both, but I don’t know of any examples of teams that do.

        Long and Slauson can both be maulers. They’ll keep getting stronger too. Garza is the weak link there. Emery knows it too, which is why we might lose him to another team willing to be pay premium center money.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          I can see it both ways. On the one hand, Garza can’t get push, but our Oline improved DRAMATICALLY with him making the line calls which was important for Long and Mills.

          Maybe in year two of the system Emery will feel more comfortable having a less cerebral C, but more athletic. This might also heap more responsibility on Cutler having to make those audibles too, and are we all comfortable with that?

          Yeah, I can’t think of a team that has a C/Long Snapper.

          Seems like there should be, esp since every coach is looking to free up roster spots. I know each position requires different skill set, but it can’t be that radically different (apparently so…)

          • NewBearInTown

            The internet is surprisingly silent on the issue of why you don’t see more crossover players. Seems like the long snapper is more frequently a linebacker.

            If I had to guess, I would imagine the long snapper is expected to do more open field tackling in coverage once the ball is snapped. Centers are not going to have the speed or lateral agility to cover kick returners (probably as one of the last lines of defense). Long snappers are probably not going to have the size to take on defensive tackles regularly on the O-line. Though I imagine there are special teams formations that would cover up for a bigger, slower long snapper.

            Would be interesting to hear an answer from someone who knows.

      • NewBearInTown

        As to the angry HB, more on that later, but I suspect we’ll keep our eyes open for a wrecking ball guy in the UDFA market.

    • Johnathan Wood

      they don’t currently have Garza, Boggs, Britton, or Scott under contract, and Brown is a guard.

      • NewBearInTown

        Brown plays four positions. He might be best at guard, but he’s a serviceable backup everywhere but at center. I listed the 2013 roster, but you are right to point out its not just Garza that’s a free agent.

        • Johnathan Wood

          it’s actually Britton that was the top backup for all 4 positions this year. To the best of my knowledge Brown has never played OT in the NFL

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        Britton will be back. Scott is gone. Garza is back. Joe Long is developed. Brown stays as well. I could also see Mills moving inside to Guard and Kyle moving to RT.

        • Johnathan Wood

          all of those things are possible, I’m just saying you can’t assume those guys are part of the team until they’re actually signed

    • George Hernandez

      If the Bucs cut Carl Nicks, he might be a good buy-low option, reuniting him with Krome might kickstart his career again and you can probably get him at the vet-min.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        just promise him he won’t get fucking MRSA up here. Jesus….fucking MRSA.

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Disagree. I think Garza is our C next season. Too much press and quotes from players to suggest otherwise. I think Emery focuses more on the D. Garza may not be a five-star center, but in many ways, he’s integral to the continued growth of our O-line, and to Jay Cutler overall. It’s not time to say goodbye yet.

      I believe Wright is gone, as will be Hester (maybe on that one – the Bears may be determined that he break the record here) and God help us, I think Peanut is out also. as a side note, Michael C. Wright over on ESPN thinks most of our UFA/FA (24) will be on new teams next year.

      **WARNING** I’m about to go off……

      Losing Peanut can be argued as “it’s time”, “he’s injury prone”, “he’s old”, etc. But for me, it will be one more blow to the team and the fan base that we’ll have to pretend isn’t very important in “the big picture”. I think he is really important, and I think it’s imperative that he remain a Bear next year. Someone here a few threads ago put him in the same conversation as Mike Brown in terms of value, age, injury, etc. He’ll even be compared to Urlacher’s situation on a fringe level.

      Peanut is invaluable to this organization as a mentor and coach, just like Brown was. He is an outstanding CB, and has been unflinchingly loyal through every change in personnel. So, just as many here did when Brown was teetering on the edge of goodbye, I’ll plead Peanut’s case. I want Emery and Trestman to see beyond the cap, the injuries, the age, and see the intrinsic value in having Charles Tillman on the field and/or our sideline next year carrying a clipboard if not wearing a uniform.

      When players like Tillman are released (with of course all the appropriate accolades from the podium from which Emery speaks), it hurts. I think it dents morale for some in the locker room, I think it makes the transient player problem more serious for serious fans (like everyone that posts on this blog), and I believe it dilutes the NFL as a whole.

      I’m sorry, but I don’t like the “must win now” mentality. I despise it. Showing players like Peanut the door is why that happens. What is more – most – important, is that a team be built on solid ground, with players willing to help each other get better every day. Peanut does that in spades. He is smart, selfless, and tough. He personifies what we want the Bears to be, and who they are. I believe he is crucial to the re-building process, especially on defense.

      The thought of seeing him in a TB uniform – or any other uniform for that matter, is nauseating, and it’s a step backwards.

      Phil Emery, sir. Please keep Peanut Tillman where he belongs. Right here, on the greatest team in football.

      • CanadaBear

        The only thing I take issue with is the comparison to MB late in his career. MB had CLEARLY lost a step or two and was getting by on moxie. Peanut is still playing at a high level. Maybe he falls off a cliff like Pep did this year but it would really piss me off if he goes to another team and plays like he always has. If someone pays him crazy money I totally get it. If he leaves because the Bears basically don’t want to pay him, that will be a sad day indeed.

        • MB30SD

          I know you said this last time we had this chat… and I’m really not trying to blow MB here, but check out the last two years of his career after he came back from that cheapshot tackle by lorenzo neal

          http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowMi99.htm

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            MB never even fell off. He just kept fucking up his legs. When he was on the field for the Bears he was a gamechanger…every single game he was in. He never dropped off.

            well, he dropped off on the Chiefs

          • MB30SD

            I can always count on you my man.

            Check his stats above… that last year with the chiefs was actaully one of his best years. strong numbers.

          • CanadaBear

            WOW. Talk about denial. Anyone remember the Atlanta game? MB was a day late and a dollar short. He had great instincts and jumped a lot of plays. His back-to-back OT TD INT’s will be a highlight for me until I die. But sadly every time he was injured the last few years his athletic skills eroded more and more. Same with #54. I’m hoping it’s not the same for Peanut and we re-sign him.

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          Moxie and brains. Brown had a helluva sixth sense if you want to call it that, and his vision of the field was 1st rate, even in his waning days.

          Did Pep fall off, or was a lack of personnel helping him over the edge? I don’t honestly know the answer to that one.

      • MB30SD

        I am an unabashed peanut fanboi, but let me ask you this.

        How do you feel if he has a similar year next year (i.e., plays a few decent games then has to go on IR).

        My issue is two fold, 1. he’s getting older, is injury prone more and more, and is a career C2 corner for a coach who’s coaching a different team. The D is changing and next year it will be a totally different schematically. 2. The D is in a total rebuilding period… new scheme, new coaches, new young players, and a FA and draft totally focused on completely rebuilding that side of the ball.

        So while we’re talking about one of my favorite bears of all time, and a great man… if he isn’t willing to be reasonable to stay, right now if the best time to let him walk.

        Now I will personally be heartbroken, and we’re a better team with him ON THE FIELD… there’s just no guarantee that he will be much from now on, and that he’ll do as well in a totally new system.

        • NewBearInTown

          He’s not a cover-2 corner. I wrote that in re the HOF discussion as well – he’s a good enough corner to play any scheme you ask of him. Probably top 10 in the league. But he played within a cover 2 system for so long people thought that was what he was good at.

          • MB30SD

            yes, but he played in the true C2 for his entire career. I’m sure he can be a good corner in any scheme since he has the size and aggressiveness… just another piece of the equation to take into consideration. None of these factors are guaranteed in either direction.

          • NewBearInTown

            That’s not true either though. He’s played a ton of man coverage the last few years, most notably shutting down Megatron more than once and keeping AJ Jenkins under control for the Bengals while suffering from the flu.

            We haven’t played a “true” cover-2 in Chicago for the 5 years. We lined up in cover-2 to disguise the coverage and then moved into everything from Cover 1 to Cover 4 to safety blitzes.

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          Your point about the entire D being rebuilt under a new regime is well-taken and written. I do get that.

          I’ll also admit that I may not have a complete understanding of his position in a new D. As a CB, there may well be seismic shifts in how that position is drawn up for 2014.

          And yeah, it would SUCK if he went on IR after the requisite number of “warm-up” games (2? 3?) .

          My hue (I’m refusing to cry) is that his value both on and off the field is too high; I’d argue he has more mentor-value for instance than Lach did, while, again, putting him in the same league as Mike Brown in that regard.

          I’d rather have an old(er) limp ‘nut helping the D-backs coach on the sideline than no nut at all. I want him because he can take a youngin’ and make him better quickly, and because if he’s got one more year in him, I want it to happen here.

          • MB30SD

            agree, just has to be for the right price…. like everything else in life.

          • NewBearInTown

            Best scenario for the Bears is to draft a cornerback in, say, the second round. Then sign Peanut for a deal we can get out of easily after one year. If Peanut goes down, you plug the rookie in. Otherwise, the rookie plays some nickel and spends a year developing.
            But insurance policies like that rarely go for much over the vet minimum. That scenario sounds like a $2M/year contract for Peanut. Maybe $5M over two years with like half guaranteed. But that’s a big pay cut. If another team sees him as a starter for the next 3 years, he’s gone.

      • NewBearInTown

        Peanut gets offered the same deal Tim Jennings signed (4 years, $22.4M, $11.8M guaranteed). Forget Tampa Bay, let’s say its a team like Cleveland that has tons of room under the cap. Tillman tells Emery in confidence that he needs the money

        Do you suggest that the Bears match the offer?

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          There’s no accounting for spend-happy losers. I can’t factor that in. That’s the wild-card in all of this, I suppose.

      • NewBearInTown

        Why do think I disagree in re Garza? I think Emery wants him on the line for another year and to grow a rookie to replace him after one or two more seasons.

        But Garza could have the issue Olin did. If he think he’s worth $4M and we think he’s worth $2M, he could find himself playing somewhere else and not necessarily for more money.

        • Still a Doug Plank Fan

          By saying you wouldn’t be surprised if Emery let Garza walk, I wasn’t implying you were all for that. I was disagreeing that Emery would let him go this year. Do agree on the money issue vis-à-vis Olin, though. If he pulls a Lach, he’ll likely be gone. I just don’t see him doing that though, either.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      Joe Long is a project that Kromer will turn into a nice backup.

  • MB30SD
    • gpldan

      Sizemore is such a raging coke fiend it’s hard to buy. The part where Bill calls him a mofo is also a tough sell.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Was MOFO even in the american vocab in the 90s?

        That’s like someone in the fifties saying, “I donkeypunched her, sir.”

        • CanadaBear

          Hell I’ve been saying Mofo since the ’70’s.

          • MB30SD

            I’ve been saying donkeypunched since the 70’s.

            (not really)

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Am I crazy, but I tend to not like FAs from SB winning teams? They always seem to under-perform from then on.

    I like my FAs to never have won a SB, that way they can be nice and hungry (que eye of the tiger).

    As such, I’m no longer on the Michael Bennett bandwagon (unless he comes for a very reasonable contract, which he won’t).

    • NewBearInTown

      SB winning FAs are frequently good players. But they tend to have inflated stats because they come from good teams. Also they tend to be overpaid because of the ring.
      I like Bennett just fine. But he won’t look as good without Cliff Avril on the other side and that secondary in the backfield, or the rest of that defense backing him up. If a GM doesn’t get that and offers him a monster deal, we won’t be seeing him next year.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Watching NFL Network. Derrick Brooks got in the HOF. Wonder if that makes it easier for Briggs?

    Then it got me thinking…IF the Bears win that SB, Urlacher, Briggs AND maybe Peanut are in the HOF.

    Right now, Urlacher is about 90% certain to get in.

    Briggs, maybe like 40%.
    Peanut maybe like 25%.

    That ring would have gone a long way.

    • NewBearInTown

      Peanut himself has said he doubts he’ll get in. Not enough pro-bowls. For most of his career he was regarded as a system cornerback. Wasn’t until Detroit got Megatron and Peanut shut him down that the world saw what a great talent he really is.
      The one thing that goes in his favor is the turnover stats. The best corners have terrible stats – few tackles, few picks, even few passes defensed – because teams just avoid them. But Peanut has the forced fumble stat, and that helps him a lot.
      Still, he hasn’t won enough playoff games. That will make it tough for him.

      • gpldan

        If Peanut had played on the Giants and had two rings, he’d have been in.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      This is why Brooks got in:

      11× Pro Bowl (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008)
      9× All-Pro (1997, 1998,1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)
      Super Bowl champion (XXXVII)
      Walter Payton Man of the Year Award (2000)
      AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year (2002)
      NFL Alumni Linebacker of the Year (2002)
      “Whizzer” White NFL Man of the Year Award (2003)
      Pro Bowl MVP (2005)
      NFL 2000s All-Decade Team

      Brooks was a unique talent. 11 pro bowls is sick. 9 ALL PRO’s is just fucking crazy.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Brooks was a beast, no doubt. I totally agree he should have got in.

        But it’s hard for 4-3 OLBs to get in because they tend not to rack up the sacks, and sometimes neither the tackles.

        Here’s two threads discussing Brigg’s chances.

        This one is more of a discussion thread, but some of the comments make interesting points.

        http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2012/10/9/3475246/is-lance-briggs-a-hall-of-fame-player

        This one is from 2012 and the now out-of-business PFW

        http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/11/15/hall-call-lance-briggs

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          lol, how did Hub fuck up PFW?

      • MB30SD

        damn

      • TheBigCheesy

        I kinda think we should all just stop counting Pro-Bowls when it comes to HOF candidacy. ALL-PRO selections (1st and 2nd team) are true indicators of greatness.

  • AlbertInTucson

    FA, Golden Tate, says he’ll give Seattle a “Hometown Discount”. Is he really such a hot commodity?

    • gpldan

      He’s a full grade better than Earl Bennett. Better at the endzone catch (remember THE catch on MNF?) and better over the middle. Stays healthy while taking some hard hits as well. He can ball.

      The Seahawks unleashing Percy Harvin in the Super Bowl was some hardcore shit. Fresh legs, kid was zipping. Reminded me of the Super Bowl where the Packers unleashed Desmond Howard.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Could the Seahawks value him all that much considering he was outshone last Sunday by Harvin, Kearse and Baldwin?

        I just don’t see a big line forming to sign Golden Tate for big time money.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          Tate is Bennett. The Pearl would’ve been deadly in Seattle’s offense this year.

  • Trac
  • Irish Sweetness
  • Irish Sweetness

    Look at the paws on Alshon in that vid.

    • CanadaBear

      He’s so modest. Hard to believe he’s a WR.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      He’s no Summers 🙂

  • gpldan

    New idea. (You all love these.) To prevent QBs from swallowing up caps of NFL teams, allow each org one cap exempt player.

    I believe this is how the New York Yankees came to dominate baseball in the 2000s.

    (That’s not true – but given the winner-take-all contracts that mega-impact players get like Megatron and Peppers in his prime, taking them out of the cap allows the richest teams to go get a mega impact player at an insane salary and simply buy themselves a better team)

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      I would advocate a percentage cap.

      So that ONE player can not exceed, say, 8-10% percent of any team’s cap.

      This should be fair since every team has the same cap, and the players ought to be ok since the cap will go up every year, if only incrementally.

      Might be a good socialistic safeguard. (and for those ideologically against socialistic safeguards, the CAP is one, which many argue is why the NFL is the most popular sport in the U.S.)

      Just a thought since I agree with Jeff that it seems a bit unjust that teams get punished for finding a QB or drafting well.

      Maybe you can exempt like 2% if that player was drafted by the same organization.

      Perfect example: the Seahawks.

      Eventually Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, and Wilson are gonna get paid big.

      Well, none can get more than 8-10% of the cap AND IF they re-sign with the Seahawks (team that drafted them), 2% of what they earn won’t count against the cap.

      This might be a good way to also re-build dynasties in the NFL (though they themselves want parity).

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        I don’t know if I’d be down with someone telling me that I can only account for a percentage of the teams salary cap. Feels a little intrusive to me. The overall cap is more than enough guidance on how a team should operate. They are all adults and businessmen after all. Not every person in this country should have to have their penis held whilst they pee.

        • MB30SD

          I would like to have my penis held while I pee… like the rose petal girls in coming to america.

          “The royal penis is clean your highess”

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Soooooullll Glooowww…

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          Yeah, I’m not sure either. Just an idea. Giving like a 2% exemption on home grown talent might equalize it a bit, while keeping teams a more in tact like the old days

          Then again, I’m sure owners like Jerry Jones probably don’t like the idea of the NFL telling him he can’t outspend every other team to buy a roster.

          Also, I’m not sure if a “market correction” can take place in the NFL.

          Stein and Emery aren’t fools. They’re not known for throwing ridiculous sums of money for little reason. Yet, they still gave Cutler $20M for at least 3 years.

          The Raven’s front office is top notch too, but they had to give Flacco that king’s ransom.

          Rodger’s takes up about 14% of the cap.

          If the NFL limits any player from exceeding 10% of the cap, that won’t be TOO much of a difference, especially in my scenario in which Rodgers would really be getting 12%, but only count 10% against the cap.

          So Rodgers would be making 2% less then currently. If the players want, they can negotiate that at least 3 years must be guaranteed.

          Like I said, just an idea.

          • SC Dave

            You mean Rodgers would be making 5% *of the cap less*. 12% versus 17% would be a 30% pay cut for Rodgers.

          • MB30SD

            fuck aaron rodgers

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Rodger’s is making $22M.
            He would make $15.12M

            (under my proposal) + at least three years guaranteed in case his arm comes off (I would be OK with 4 years absolutely guaranteed, as opposed to the constant “restructuring” in the NFL).

            Wouldn’t we as Bear fans love for Jay to earn $15M per year (12M of which would go against the cap) ?

            I think that’s a reasonably fair price for a QB.

            But I’ll leave the math to NBIT and doc lol

          • NewBearInTown

            If you say that no player counts more than, say, $10M over the cap, you allow Jerry Jones to buy a monster team. As I wrote above, here’s what you do in 2014.
            Sign all the top free agents. Get Greg Hardy, Michael Bennett and Cliff Avril to all play DE for you with a $40M fully guaranteed first year salary and moderate $2M salaries after that.
            Get the best safety, WR and RB on the market after that, but sign them to deals that pay the vet minimum this year and $40M next year.
            Get the best 2 O-linemen and linebacker after that and do the same with the $40M coming in 2016.
            Now you’ve got a $42M cap hit each year (3x$10M plus 6x$2M), but you’re really paying what would be a $132M cap hit under the current rules (maybe a bit less with pro-rations). Basically, Jerry goes from signing impossible contracts, to getting 9 top tier starters for less than 1/3 of his cap space. You can’t do that and have parity.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            No more than 10% NB.

            So like I said, Rodgers would cost about $12M instead of $22M (because he was drafted by the Pack. If he weren’t, due to my clause, he can cost $15M against the cap).

            $12-$15M for a QB will free up about $7-$10M per team. That won’t really be enough to buy everyone. Just enough to maybe get one high priced FA, or spread it to other vets who might other wise be out of work (guys like Kerry Rhodes).

            OR, agents might know that teams have a bit more free money, and the prices for mid-tier FAs might go up (maybe).

            Also, anyone in FA almost by definition won’t qualify for that extra 2% cap discount since they won’t be re-signing with the team that drafted them (in nearly all cases).

            In addition, the longer guaranteed contracts would undoubtedly cost some unwise teams when players don’t work out (in dead money).

            So IMO, this would reward teams who draft and recognize solid FAs well, while encouraging keeping team’s intact. That extra $7-$10M would have helped the Ravens last year, but it wouldn’t nearly be enough to build a dynasty (though they certainly would’ve fielded a much better team, but shouldn’t SB winners be competitive defending their championship the following year like before, as opposed to being pilfered?)

            Besides, can’t teams stagger contracts right now theoretically? I don’t believe players would ever sign contracts where they get paid almost nothing one year especially when injuries are so prevalent (Plus no guaranteed contracts).

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            I understand the sentiment. My post had an air of douchey-ness about it but I certainly wasn’t directing it to you. I think I’m just pissed off in general that the D sucked so bad and we got so fucking injured. This team would have went into the playoffs blasting and guys would be clamoring to get signed long term or for reasonable money. Now since guys sucked so much cock this year we have to let them walk because a couple of them will actually take less money not to play for Emery. (Cough…Peppers,Tillman,Melton) I wouldn’t be surprised if Briggs is gone since he probably was a fucking cancer this year from the get go.

    • NewBearInTown

      Jeff’s idea misses most of the reasons the salary cap exists.
      1) The cap is a device owners use to limit the total amount players are paid. The NFLPA and owners negotiate hard every 5-10 years to divide the total NFL revenues. The split is around 50/50, but its not exactly 50/50. If it becomes, say, 48/52, that 2% swing is literally millions of dollars. The owners don’t want to pay players the extra money, no matter what anyone thinks.
      2) There are teams that might be willing to pay more, but the smaller market teams (Jacksonville, Tennessee, San Diego) don’t want to get killed by Dallas and Washington every year. Those teams would never go for a license for Jerry Jones to pay Peyton Manning $50M to play for his team without cap consequences.
      3) The cap is designed to keep parity in the league. If a team can pay Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson, Peyton Manning, or Durell Revis to be the best in the league and still have as much cap space as another team that doesn’t have a franchise player, that creates an unfair advantage.
      But here’s why it wouldn’t work…
      1) There’s a fairly simple way to keep multiple superstars if you’ve got the cash to do it. You bring in Peyton, Peterson, Johnson and Revis. You give them all 5+ year deals. You structure Peyton’s contract so he gets $50M in 2014, Peterson gets $50M in 2015, Johnson gets $50M in 2016 and Revis gets $50M in 2017. You work in an acceleration clause that makes the bonus due immediately if the player gets cut early, and you designate each year’s money guy as the uncapped player. They can have $1M cap numbers every other year of the deal. If you’ve got the cash, you’ve just increased your space by 25% or more by some creative contract writing.
      2) Teams will still be in a mess, just with one extra player. Being the exempt player will be a bargaining chip for the player. He can say, “I know you only have $20M in cap space, I want $25M fully guaranteed this year, just make me the uncapped guy.” And teams that sign the deal and max out the cap otherwise will still be in a mess when contracts come due. It will help some teams, but a lot will still be stuck.
      3) The cap already provides all the flexibility teams need. You aren’t freeing teams by making one player uncapped, you are limiting them. If a team doesn’t have a franchise guy, or has a rookie QB they really like, then they can spread that $18M QB salary among 5 players. If you make one player uncapped, you are forcing teams to put all that extra cap space in one basket or else lose it. So a team like the Seahawks this year would actually be at a disadvantage. They don’t want to pay anyone a huge contract because they’re saving up for Wilson. But right now, they can give the money they plan to allocate to Wilson to 3-4 defenders. The “uncapped” exemption wouldn’t help them as much as it helps a team that specifically has to pay a QB. And that’s not really what you’re hoping to accomplish.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Personally, I feel like the NFL’s greatest hypocrisy is its push for an 18 game schedule while simultaneously pretending to be champions of player safety.

    • SC Dave

      Excellent point Cheesy.

      Oh, and Rodgers dead!

  • Still a Doug Plank Fan

    Okay, NBIT…here are some betting thoughts for the off-season.

    –Peanut goes to another team. Can add the “prop” that he goes to TB.

    –Our 1st Round Pick is a Safety (or pick any position).

    –Melton is history as a Bear.

    –McCown is resigned.

    –Peppers is restructured/resigned.

    –Devin Hester plays somewhere else next year.

    –Roberto Garza is resigned.

    –Our first big F/A signing is a D-lineman.

    We can do any or all of those. Options for “payment” by the loser:

    **Write a 500 word piece on what the NFL can do to make the Super Bowl more interesting to fans other than those of the teams playing, and Hollywood.

    **Write a 500 word piece on what rules could be created/discarded to make the game more intense and fun for fans and players alike.

    **Write a 500 word piece on whether Jay Cutler is more important to the Bears than Rodgers is to the Packers.

    **Write a 500 word piece on the NFC North, with fair predictions for their 2014 season.

    Obviously, open to other bets and “penalties”.

    Also, betting is open to anyone else who wants in.

    • NewBearInTown

      –Peanut goes to another team. Can add the “prop” that he goes to TB. [NBIT says let’s see what other corners are on the market before FA. At this point, I’m betting he walks.].

      –Our 1st Round Pick is a Safety (or pick any position). [Way too soon for this one]

      –Melton is history as a Bear. [I think he walks]

      –McCown is resigned. [I bet no].

      –Peppers is restructured/resigned. [I bet he walks, I’ll give 10 to 1 odds to anyone that thinks he plays this year under his current deal]

      –Devin Hester plays somewhere else next year. [Haven’t thought on this one yet].

      –Roberto Garza is resigned. [Not sure what will happen here].

      –Our first big F/A signing is a D-lineman. [I’d actually bet no on this. I think Emery will sign a safety first.]

      The “penalties” are too vanilla though. You have to make them posts you wouldn’t write anyway. Some tweaks:

      500 words on why Green Bay should host a Superbowl.

      500 words on why Devin Hester is bad for football and the NFL should eliminate kickoff returns.

      500 words on why Minny/Detroit will win the NFC North next year.

      500 words on why going to a Detroit home game was the best fan experience of your life.

  • MB30SD
    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Haha

      Reminds me of some skit or cartoon I heard somewhere

      “She’s so dumb she thought LBJ referred to a Mexican blow job!”

      • MB30SD

        hahahahaha

  • MB30SD
    • MB30SD
      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        I like how it’s pink. Nice touch.

        One late night I caught some ridiculous work out machine commercial. You know the kind. Voiceover by the same dude that does every monster truck commercial. Dudes yelling at your tv all oiled up like an extra from 300.

        And then it hit me. I bet 90% of their clientele is gay.

        • MB30SD

          totally… or the older ladies.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Speaking of gays, and Sochi, did anyone catch the SNL skit of straight figure skating? I only see this clip on the webs, but want to see the whole skit.

    http://youtu.be/ZU045h3coGM

    Here’s one on the Olympics picking Russia.

    http://americablog.com/2014/01/viciously-funny-snl-take-olympics-russian-homophobia.html

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)
      • George Hernandez

        The problem is that the sketches usually last 30-45 seconds too long, they try to squeeze in 1 to 2 more gags after it stopped being funny.

    • MB30SD

      wow…. just wow.

      SNL is so fucking abjectly hackneyed, uncreative, and just turrible and not funny. I haven’t seen a single funny fucking thing come out of that shithole since the 80’s. jesus. smmfh.

      • Cormonster

        Agree, but it was still funny in the early 90’s with guys like Phil Hartman and Dana Carvey.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Tiny Elvis.

  • gpldan

    MB –

    the 2014 Ferrari doesn’t have a penis nose. It looks great!

    http://jalopnik.com/ferraris-new-f1-car-has-neither-a-penis-nor-a-vagina-n-1508806799

    Also, the new ferrari Turbo V6 sounds pretty cool.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
    • NewBearInTown

      Wouldn’t it be classic if all the media staged a protest? Screw you, we’re not broadcasting the games until you fix this. You’d feel bad for the athletes, but wow what an embarrassment for the IOC.

      • MB30SD

        the ioc has always been an embarrassment. smh.

  • MB30SD

    christy B looks insane for, what, 52?!?

    She’s had a ton of work done, but still.

  • MB30SD

    this is brilliant… and I like damon.

  • Cormonster

    All the talk about Tillman made me dig up my favorite article about him. Props to the original poster on here for turning me on to this article.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/07/09/charles-tillman-trapped-within-not-made-by-zone-scheme/

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Awesome read. Thanks for posting that.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Love that photo of Tillman in Megatron’s visor.

      And these two tweets in the sidebar :

      “No QB used play-action less than Ben Roethlisberger at just 11.6% in 2013. Russell Wilson led NFL at 34.1% PA.”

      “What kind of effect did Trestman have? Josh McCown was the most accurate QB in the NFL in 2013 under pressure (77.0 acc%).”

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
    • gpldan

      Wow. Figure skating for heterosexuals. This is what Sochi should have done.

      • gpldan

        BTW, I really like Allen’s car here.

        The COPO badge on the side is stupid and made-up, but the custom full 17″ rims made to look like 60s GM Ralleye is a nice touch over the dogdish, I’m a sucker for highland green with a minimal flare aka Bullitt even though it’s a Camaro, it’s a 68. I don’t even mind the modern full back bucket seats, they are pretty tasteful. I like the console delete and the hurst he has. Swapping the 327 for a modern 427 bumps him from 325 to upwards of 450 depending how he cammed it – and it’s just pretty good minus the stupid copo badge. That’s a car built by a Detroiter like Allen was, although he’s a coke fiend on par with Sizemore, he seems cool here.

  • MB30SD
    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Shit…comedy gold in that one…. “In other words, Ryan is better than Trent Green.”

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      So what the “experts” are saying that even if you have two bad ass receivers and a HOF TE, but no Oline, a qb tends to suck?

      [Insert Gene Wildman meme here] Go onnnn….

      • MB30SD

        [hulu id=27575]

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          Was that “El Guapo” from “Three Amigos”?

          Guess he used to get a lot of work.

          • MB30SD

            fuck yeah!

            Would you say that he had a…. pleeethora…. of work?

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Si, senor. But could it be that you are projecteeeing your bears frustration on meee, senor…

          • MB30SD

            I would neeveeer Doooo theeeeis to ju

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
    • Trac

      Bad link

      • MB30SD

        I was just poking the bear anyway.

        Camel bones carbon dated… bible can’t be true. There’s your summary.

        • johnnywad

          Camel bone

          • MB30SD

            he said bone.

          • johnnywad

            I was crying before I finished reading them all.

            http://www.stussy.com/beavis-and-butthead-quotes

          • MB30SD

            truer words have seldom been spoken

            “If you love something, and you set it free, and it doesn’t come back, you’re a dumbass.” -Butthead

  • CanadaBear

    Interesting article from SI about the NFL announcers.

    http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/07/2013-nfl-announcer-rankings/

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Good link, great read! Thanks man.

  • MB30SD
  • Still a Doug Plank Fan

    So all the Tillman and FA talk got me wondering. When I think of the Chicago Bears, what player(s) most personify the team to me? I think most fans have one or more players in mind that instantly just say “Chicago Bears” to them.

    Here’s my list, in order:

    #1 — Matt Forte. Plays his f*****g guts out every down. Never have seen him take a play off.

    #2 — Lance Briggs and Mr. Charles “Peanut” Tillman. Couldn’t put one over the other. No explanation needed.

    #3 — Brandon Marshall. Talk about a FA pickup who was instantly “all-in”. Born to be a Bear.

    #4 — Kyle Long. Rookie, hell. He was a Midway Monster from snap one.

    #5 — Jay Cutler. “Don’t worry, Bob. Our former MLB called me a pussy when I was traded for…” http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=cutler+hit+on+golden+youtube&FORM=VIRE2#view=detail&mid=6A2F8B46893BB7542A766A2F8B46893BB7542A76

    #6 — Alshon Jeffery. Badass, going to be more badass-ery from him in year 3, mark it.

    That’s it, with all due respect to every other player in the Navy and Orange. It’s just that these guys come to mind first.

    Anyone else got a list?

    • TheBigCheesy

      Patrick Mannelly

      • TheBigCheesy

        and Sam Hurd

        • MB30SD

          so for your team it would be guys like jolly and walden?

          • gpldan

            #nofeedingtrolls

          • MB30SD

            why GP, whatevah do you mean?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Charles Martin. That’s what I think of when I think of the Packers. Charles Martin.

    • CanadaBear

      I’d agree with your list. Maybe Woot (if we re-sign him). I’d like to include Earl Bennett if he can stay healthy. He was turning into a real red zone weapon late in the year.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Forte wouldn’t be on that list for me. Got to be able to do everything and then some. He ain’t that cat … Wally was, but Forte …. nah. Has to be some Grabowski element to it also. Has to be some old skool nod to Halas in some way. Kyle Long will get there. Mannelly was there for a long time. Lac’s retired, so it’s Peanut for me. Cutty? Nah.

      #1 Peanut
      #2 Beast
      #3 Kyle

  • MB30SD

    This isn’t a response to your posting SDP, I’ve just been
    thinking about it a lot lately and your post provided a springboard.

    …so I’m going to take a different tact here. here’s what
    I’ve been thinking about for the last couple of years now boys.

    I don’t give a fuuuuck anymore what the Bears ‘persona’ is
    and whether it should be aggressively maintained and defended. What the culture
    is, what the labels and façades are and have been. While historic and nostalgic
    and grandiose… it’s all amounted to how many titles in the last 28 years?

    That’s right. Zero. None. Nada. Zip. Not a single fucking
    one.

    To all the fans who want to wax nostalgic and romantic
    about, ‘well, at least Lovie maintained the ‘bears way’… at least we never
    had drama or a bad lockerroom” I say… who fucking cares. Look what all
    that properness has gotten us that really matters. And honestly, there’s only
    one thing that really matters in the NFL.

    So I honestly don’t care anymore about the pomp and
    circumstance of our storied history – I mean, of course I do, it’s why I’m a
    Bears fan in the first place, but not how/if it pertains to the now and more
    importantly, to the future of the franchise. I’ve had enough of being the org
    with the biggest history, many of the best players ever, one of the biggest
    markets, not to mention the best colors/uniforms… and having zero titles to
    go with those meaningless frivolities over the last almost 30 seasons.

    This is a what have you done for me lately league and the
    fact is that none of that wonderful stuff has done anything for us as an org
    that wins. I still see many more fucking cowboys/eagles/SF/GB jerseys out there
    than ours. Who cares… what does that count for? How many national bears-based
    (players/team) commercials are there? None. I see one MAYBE two bears jerseys
    in SD a year.

    “Yeah, yeah, so what MB? What does all that garbage count
    for anyway?” you say? Let me ask you this… how many commercials have you seen
    in the last 3 years with packers players?

    The bottom line is that it means that we haven’t won enough
    for anyone to give a rat’s ass about the bears… not since ’85. Even the ’06 SB
    run was seen as a lucky/quirky cardinal’s-like campaign… which, honestly, it
    was. Jerseys sold, commercials made, articles written, etc… etc… it’s all a
    measure of how relevant your team is… and we’re not very relevant, unless
    people gleefully bash our pouty franchise.

    We’re not a dynasty (in the modern definition of pats, gints,
    and ravens) any more gents, we’re not the monsters of the midway any more.
    Yeah, it’s been a long time since we were, but I’m sick and tired of it. …
    I’d argue that we weren’t even that when we had that seriously bad ass D a couple
    years back. Why? Because we aren’t consistent in any phase. Yes we had some
    good Ds, and I know some of you will pull out stats and show me our D ranking
    over the last 10 years… and off the top of my head, I bet we fare pretty
    well… but we’re not a dynasty. You can’t scare people with only one good
    phase and dogshit for the rest.

    My ineloquent, rambling point here is that I don’t care
    which player most embodies the modern bear org to me, because we haven’t come
    close to living up to what we were and what we should be. I don’t want to think
    of peanut (or lach or cutty or anyone) as the face of the bears, because while peanut’s
    a great corner and one of my favorite bears ever… it’s not good enough. I
    only want to conduct this exercise when we’ve gone to the SB and won it… a
    couple times within a few year period. Otherwise, you’re shorting the bears
    org. Picking players that haven’t won anything… barely more than a handful of
    rd 1 playoff games. NO, it’s not any single player’s fault, but the meaning
    behind the exercise sticks in my craw.

    Are my expectations ridiculously high, and am I being
    unreasonable? If we weren’t the Chicago Bears I would say that you might have
    an argument… but we are the fucking Chicago Bears and we should ALL expect MUCH
    more than we’ve been given over the last 29 years.

    I want 1985 to come once every 2 or 3 years. I expect it, and
    I won’t accept anything less.

    So the players who most embody the bears org for me are….
    TBFUCKINGD!

    • gpldan

      If I could sum up MB’s idea:

      Lions fan over the years holds on to players. Go to middle age Lions fan’s house (if there is lotion in the basement, RUN) and what do you see? Billy Simms pictures? Barry Sanders pictures? Now Megatron posters?

      Bad teams in bad cities lionize players, because it’s all they have.

      In New York, you rarely hear alot of smack from Giants fan about how good so and so was. Take away Tom Brady, and the same is true for Pats fan. Seattle kicked ass without anyone who is legitimately a star; I am not worried about ‘Kumar goes to Canton”. Not going to happen. They are all great TEAMS. Maybe Giants fan has a LT poster – MAYBE. But it’s mostly about the greatness of the organization over time.

      Halas Hall has let this city down for two generations now. The old man hired Ditka, and since then we’ve gotten back to the big game once and lost because Lovie stopped listening to Chico. And that was a middling team. We’ve not seen greatness for two GENERATIONS.

      The NFL has changed to eliminate dynastic runs with the way FA is structured, but what we’ve seen is a shitshow for year after year worthy of Cleveland or Jacksonsville. Not this storied franchise.

      So let’s talk up players or is the most Bear. Nobody is. We’ve wallowed in the swamp of mediocrity with sub-par individuals making sub-par decisions while the taxpayers were fleeced for a stadium that looks like an ashtray even to kids who grow up in non-smoking households.

      So let’s take down the Payton posters. I am gonna ditch the Jimmy Mac avatar. Replace it with a Bears C or something to say I want ORGANIZATIONAL greatness, I am sick and tired of Teddy Ballgame and his parade of assclowns and my book is still out on Emery.

      • MB30SD

        yep, pretty much. thank you sir.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        And to sum up GPs summing up MB.

        GET YO HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASSES BEARS!

        Dazzle us with drafting!
        Stop losing to the god damn Packers!
        Make it to the playoffs to win the Superbowl, not simply to say you are in the playoffs!

        For fuck’s sake.

        Signed,

        Every true Bear fan ever.

        • MB30SD

          jes.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ll miss Jimmy. It was the best avatar on the blog. Now you might as well have one saying ‘Orange drink’ ….. that’s an avatar you use to let people know you’re a Bears fan. We’re ALL Bears fans here. Bring back Jimmy Mac.

    • TheBigCheesy

      “but we are the fucking Chicago Bears and we should ALL expect MUCH
      more than we’ve been given over the last 29 years”

      Isn’t that sentiment a byproduct of the very same perspective that you’re trying to swear off?

      • MB30SD

        yes, I guess that was my point. We expect based on what the collective ‘was/is’ that is the chicago bears. I don’t want to swear it off, I want to live up to it. Trying to forcibly apply it to what we have now is just that, forcing something on a franchise that hasn’t been that in 30 years.

        Essentially we’re arguing that the team hasn’t been managed to its potential for almost 30 years now, and instead of celebrating the good pieces of an overall failed campaign(s), we should use that vision as a goal to get back to that place of success.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          I honestly don’t even use the ’85 team as a benchmark for any Bears team, or any other team for that matter.

          There will only be ONE ’85 Bears team, ever (hence my handle).

          NO team will ever be as great as that team in my book. Even if the Pats had squeaked out a perfect season vs the Gmen, that team would still have been smoked by the 85 Bears.

          85 Bears are like Rome under Augustus and the Pax Romana.

          Here’s the perfect metaphor for the Bears…

          http://youtu.be/11-p2SPnQWk

    • Still a Doug Plank Fan

      Man, there’s not a point in your post that can be argued with. We’ve been given nadda by way of championships, and we’re sure as hell no dynasty.

      That is, in a way, what lead to my post; players and their individual performances are all we’ve had. For decades. It’s not as much a romanticizing as it is a reality. It’s the only hand we’ve been dealt.

      So hell, I hear you. We’re all now counting on Emery/Trestman to bring it up to your 2-3 year mark. Shit, I’m still reeling from the fact that we had to score 30+ per game just to stay in one last year.

      Nonetheless, I freely admit to being nostalgic (note the nic), and I’m not going to apologize for it.

      But yer post was damned good, and it was right. Guess we’ll know in about 9 months (we’re pregnant with hope) if they also get it right.

      Meanwhile, I’m still pullin’ for Peanut to be there when it happens. He’s a helluva Bear.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Love it MB. Love it. That’s precisely what the fuck I’m after. Perfection. Don’t have to get there, or even close. But you have to try for it, and work hard for it, and expect it, make no fucking excuses and expect nothing less. Lovie’s mission statement was only to beat Green Bay” and as soon as I heard that I knew the guy was a loser. The most he wanted was to win two games a season? What a fucking loser! Ditka came into the Bears and told the players that if they walked with him they’d win it all, and that there’s a lot of guys sitting right there that wouldn’t be there when they did. That’s the goal, to win it all. Every single season. Anything else is bullshit.

  • MB30SD

    ok, so she obviously can’t have a dick, and has to have some form of vajajay (I mean, only for this exercise, she doesn’t HAVE to have anything in real life)

    Anyway, assuming she’s all woman down there…. nail her? seriously date her (assuming you were single)?

    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/living/2014/02/04/natpkg-orig-ancil-carmen-carrera-transgender-model-fashion.cnn.html

    Trac?

    • MB30SD

      No takers huh?

      I think I’d nail her as long as she had the right parts.

  • FQD1911

    best post yet. good stuff, Jefe.

  • gpldan

    Due to Joe Anderson’s signing with Philadelphia, I am announcing the termination of DaBearsBlog.

    Joe will make Canton one day. You’ll see.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Isn’t this the same Jeff that declared Chip Kelly O a failure by week 7?

      I can’t remember, but didn’t Philly try to snatch Joe away from us before?

      Either way, Chip Kelly knows a little about offense, and Joe will prosper over there.

      I guess this means we’re keeping Earl or drafting his replacement if someone falls that Emery likes.

      • MB30SD

        wait, I don’t remember… is yonny or irish going to be crying later?

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          Both. I’m pretty sure Joe was their illegitimate son.

          Johnny’s gonna go Uni-bomber Manifesto when he sees Jeff’s tweet.

          • MB30SD

            hahahahaha…. can’t wait.

      • EnderWiggin

        I thought Wilson was replacing Pearl…

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          The problem is, they’re totally different types of players.

          However, that ONE catch he made where he got blasted over the middle might be enough to show he can go over the middle without breaking like Mr. Glass.

          Hopefully attending Marshall U in the off-season packs some weight on him.

          • SC Dave

            You talking abut Earl because some fucktard Saint bounty hunter speared hum?

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    I feel like doing this to too many people. Can’t be healthy for me.

    http://youtu.be/ZT7RIyurrMs

    • MB30SD

      roger cracks me up

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        I’ve recently discovered that he’s my favorite character.

        That an animated omni-sexual alien is my favorite character is either a damning condemnation of contemporary literature and culture, or of me.

        Probably both.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    And in honor to Joe Anderson’s departure, here’s my fav Joe song…

    http://youtu.be/ieVzyyw0Tio

    • MB30SD

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        haha…no matter how many times I watch that commercial, I never get tired of it.

        Oh, and hurry up and buy a PS4 that way you can report to us if it’s an over priced piece of shit or not.

        • MB30SD

          ‘spensive right now. $600.

  • MB30SD

    Dude, anya you mobs see the travel channel show, “Dangerous Grounds”?

    I think I’m going to do that job when I retire.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Love that show MB, big coffee drinker. My brother and I have been watching the Gem Hunters show too. Cannot believe the type of money they make doing that, but the risks are extremely dangerous.

      • MB30SD

        yeah, watched one of those… the guy’s kind of a douche. Couldn’t get into it.

  • MB30SD

    Know what I think of when I see this?

    That guy is a serious…. go…. getter.

    • gpldan

      And he has n00bz working on a Ford GT. Don’t forget that.

  • johnnywad
    • MB30SD

      jesus. torture those fucking hillbillies to death.

      (too much?)

      • johnnywad

        Nope. Seriously man. What little kid won’t snag a grape pop given the chance? Our world vacillates between people that will not discipline their children regardless of behavior to those that will accidentally kill them over pop trying to make a point. How do you suppose the rest of her childhood went? I’m sick thinking about it.

        • johnnywad

          Meanwhile, George Zimmerman is going to box some asshole rapper in a “celebrity” boxing match. His guilt or innocence was decided in a court of law for better or for worse. Ok fine. But “celebrity”? Now this fucker gets to cash checks based on “celebrity” which he only achieved by shooting an unarmed person. That’s it. Whether or not he’s guilty of a crime, he should not be allowed to profit from it. I don’t even know what to think about society anymore. We’re fucked.

          • MB30SD

            yep, pretty much.

          • DaMurph

            All the cash is being donated to charity, but I just wish he would go away. If being a dumb asshole is a crime, I’m voting guilty!

          • johnnywad

            Makes me feel a little better. Thanks Murph

  • MB30SD

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster/T.%20J.-Ward/9221fabb-b7ba-4b95-a7b8-e1794ebdc877

    How about TJ Ward? Young, hard hitting… problem is, no fucking one lists whether he’s a strong or free safety. Why in thee fuck do people not list this?!!? Makes me angry.

    • Shady

      Uh, yes please! Or Jairus Byrd. Thank you.

      • MB30SD

        where have you been in my life? You’ve found someone else haven’t you?

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Fortunately, we need both.

      • MB30SD

        true story

  • Cormonster

    Anyone here into skiing? My favorite Olympic event by far is downhill skiing. Those athletes are crazy and incredibly strong.

    I was watching men’s downhill practice earlier and they were hitting 80 mph. On one of the jumps the guys were traveling over 80 YARDS in the air, with a corner to hit 2-3 seconds later!

    In the last 5-6 years I skied two Olympic downhill courses at Snowbasin in Salt Lake City and Whistler in Vancouver. Skiing those runs a couple times each, and thinking about doing them at full speed, just boggles my mind. I’ve probably skied over 50 mph many times and maybe once or twice over 60. I was scared out of my mind going that fast. It was nearly impossible to keep my skis under me in control. Those Olympians got titanium balls.

    • Shady
      • Cormonster

        Thanks Shady. Great video.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I like the ladies floor exercises on ice, makes their nipple’s stick out like fighter pilot’s thumbs

      (somebody whispers into Irish’s ear)

      Oh really ? I must have dreamed it then.

      • Cormonster

        Irish, Lake Street Dive had their 1st TV performance and knocked it out of the park. Big future me thinks. Awesome live this summer.

        http://m.comedycentral.com/colbertnation_video.rbml?id=lake-street-dive—-you-go-down-smooth-

      • johnnywad

        I hereby nominate “Fighter pilot’s thumbs” for the official 2014 DBB lexicon.

      • MB30SD

        I like nipples.

        • johnnywad

          The cast of Friends stacked millions in the ’90’s. All due to nipples. There was nothing else there.

    • MB30SD

      Two words for you corm…

      Moguls.

      Start at the 5:15 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sHsY9Yj4Jk

      • Cormonster

        MB, I love mogul skiing, but to ski the hard technical stuff I want fresh snow. I don’t have the skill to do double blacks that are icy without wearing myself out and making it feel like work. But give me a few inches of powder, and I’m in heaven. Downhill is still the most badass sport ever.

  • MB30SD
    • Cormonster

      He got an eye infection after probing his asshole, then touching his eye. It was exacerbated by climate change.

  • MB30SD

    ‘Murica

  • MB30SD

    uuuummm, are you fucking kidding me?!

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/08/world/meast/iran-navy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    Anyone else in the, Oh ok fuckface… then you get the fuck bombed out of you and every single one of those ships is now on the bottom of the ocean… wanna try that again?’ camp?

    (yes, I used my best george dubbaya voice)

    • johnnywad

      I was actually over there posting on this article this morning. You can jump right on cuz they use Disqus too. Pretty easy.

      This is a nothing. As far as I know they don’t have nuclear powered ships. So the biggest ship in the fleet would have to be a tanker. Sink the tanker with a drone and just wait. They lose because they run out of fuel. How ironic is that?

      • MB30SD

        basically I am done with these fucking 3rd world shitholes with crazy fucking despots trying to pull this shit. Whether it’s for press, to force talks, to get dialog going to ease sanctions… I don’t give a fuck any more. Just blow them all up and kill every single fucking person wearing a military uniform. Daisy bomb every single fucking military instillation.

        Then wait to see how many of these fuckheads even give a thought to doing the same.

        Yeah, I know… I’m just fantasizing though. smmfh.

        • MB30SD

          let’s bust the bunker under the bunker we just busted. It’s the cohiba baby.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Semitar Rattling. Done badly.

  • Irish Sweetness

    It really is very annoying trying to get to the end of a long thread, or navigating to a specific piece halfway through. Am I missing something?

    • Cormonster

      Sort by newest?

    • MB30SD

      suck it up and stop whining like a little fucking girl?

      (whaaaat?)

    • Trac

      Ha! Don’t you know that people stop and gaze at the Mona Liza’s awesomeness for days on end.

      • MB30SD

        W….T….F!?!?!?

        • Trac

          Hee hee. And you think I’m off my rocker. Ha!

          • MB30SD

            not at all… we just have dif beliefs. that dude is indeed off his rocker

          • Trac

            There something about the air in Colorado.

  • MB30SD

    can we just start sending these useless fucks to russia or iran. my god, what a waste of space

    https://movies.yahoo.com/news/berlin–shia-labeouf-storms-out-of–nymphomaniac–press-conference-181909795.html

    le beef, lilo, biebs, cyrus, bynes, etc… etc…

    • johnnywad

      I’m sorry, I thought that said he shaved down a tooth. WHAT?!!!

      • MB30SD

        crazy

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
  • Irish Sweetness

    No way I’m clicking through the ladder of comments to see if anyone responded to my question on “How do you get to the last comment section without clicking down through the ladder of comment. Sigh.

    On Jefe’s tweet-fest.

    1. I wish my folks had forced me into the piano lessons too mang, it was the ONLY thing they didn’t sign me up for … and my old man played the fucking piano!. Drama class – pretend you’re a tree ! FUCK!

    2. No Jefe – be glad you didn’t play golf at 10. The old man started me at 7 and I quit at 17 because I was not going to be Seve Ballesteros. Play it for fun. If your enjoyment is proprtional to how well you play it, then quit.

    3. Michael Sam is to be the first openly gay player in the NFL? Shame on you Greg Olsen, there’s still time sweetie … BTW – you looked SUPER this season in those breast cancer gloves. Laters!

    • AlbertInTucson

      Per #3, Aren’t you forgetting the Steelers DB…(wait for it)…. William GAY?

      • AlbertInTucson

        BTW, I think calling Olsen “sweetie” was weak. Really, really weak.

    • Guest

      BTW, I think calling Olsen “sweetie” was weak. Really weak.

    • Trac

      There is some predictive Biblical science in there somewhere for you MB. He he.

    • MB30SD

      Hahahahahahaha!

      Well played sir, well played!

  • Guest

    Per #3 Aren’t you forgetting the Steelers William GAY?

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