• GPLDAN

    Sanders represents the foundation of everything that led to the decline of the NFL.

    Backstabbing use of “sources” to poison the well and campaign against a tough coach that wants discipline.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/9/29/6863375/jim-harbaugh-49ers-rumors-deion-sanders

    The owners and league have harvested what they have sown: a player’s league full of mercenaries. Guys who are out there for the paycheck. Nothing more. And when a coach yells at them, they start the slow drip in the press.

    • Trac

      With you here. It ain’t about winning, it’s all about “show me the money”.

    • SC Dave

      While I agree with what you say about coddling the players, for some reason it seems to me there will be little sympathy for Harbaugh on this blog. There have been many posts here about him being a dick.

  • Trac

    This is a sad day? Oh how the mighty have fallen? The ancient of days is weeping? Bully I say, bully!

    Rub some dirt on it big fella and put your best poker face on, better days are ahead of us.

    • BillW

      Having a weakness exposed so clearly is better than being oblivious to it. That’s the “favor” the Packers did for us

      • Trac

        I firmly believe the Bears have the character to bounce back from this. Heck if Lovie can do it, so can we. He he. I’m looking at you boykie!

        • BillW

          I agree. I believe they do. Getting rat back would help too

      • It’s not a “favor” if we can’t do anything about it.
        It’s not as if Suh or Watt is going to fall in our lap this season.

  • The NFL needs to get together and form a Council of Trent to hammer out the cannons and details about what it is and where it wants to go.

    Issues to clamp down on:

    1. Penalties (What constitutes one, and its interpretations and application on the field).
    2. Social issues (Set laws and precedents with how to deal with crimes).
    3. What is reviewable/challengable (Namely, such questionable penalties, but game altering, such as unnecassary roughness, roughing the passer, PI, etc.)

    Zero in on those issues instead of trying to extend a team to England, or a season to 18 games, fuck asses.

    • MB30SD

      exactly. they ONLY give a fuck about mo money mo money and how to change the game to make that happen from their perspective.

      they don’t give a shit about whether it actually destroys the game from the true fan’s perspective, as long as the ratings keep rising and the money keeps pouring in. cunts

      • Trac

        The NFL has become like congress. The fans have zero impact on what the NFL does, just like tax paying Americans when it comes to Congress. The only realistic option we have is non participation and even that won’t change anything but give a person peace of mind maybe.

        • MB30SD

          bingo! And the power and money structures just get perpetuated without doing what they were put there to and created to do.

          I guess it’s a pretty obvious progression… we shouldn’t be too shocked.

        • I haven’t bought an NFL product in forever.
          I get a few Bears related presents on my Bday and Xmas, but I personally refuse until the NFL becomes what it was.
          What pushed me over the edge was allowing ESPN to buy out an NFL staple in MNF.

          That was a big slap to the face to the common fan. Oh yeah, NFL? Well, fuck you too.

          I’d rather watch streams from bankok with football players that resemble Tecmo Bowl rather than throw my $$$ at them.

          • bearsfantillend

            I am with you, i don’t know the last NFL product i actually personally bought.
            i did not mind ESPN buying out MNF, ESPN is included in the most basic cable packages. The last straw for me was Thursday Night Football. For 2 years i was not able to watch an NFL game on the NFL Network, because it was not carried on any cable packages in my area. It was available on Dish and DTV, but i can’t get those because of line of sight issues.

      • bearsfantillend

        don’t forget they have to keep their poster boys happy and on the field, ie Manning, Brady. How many of the rules in the last decade or so can be attributed to a game or event that those 2 were involved in?

        Brady get knocked out a year, all the protect the QB rules occur.
        Manning’s receivers get manhandled in the SB, now no one can touch a receiver.

      • SC Dave

        Well, they ARE there to make money. And so long as the fans keep shelling out, there is no reason for them to change.

  • On Mondays like these, my FF team brings me slight consolation, like getting a sloppy bj after losing a few bucks at the casino. Or, winning a few bills after not getting laid? Eh.

    Barring a Shady Weenie Dog Special tonight, I’ll be 4-0 in DaButcher’sLeague.

    Game. Blouses.

  • CanadaBear

    Hopefully the league will figure this out soon and tell the refs to show some common sense. If a play is borderline have the ref tell the player, “Next time you’re getting flagged”. I get operating in the grey area. That’s what a lot of people do in their lives, esp in business. The old adage, If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying hard enough kinda applies. If the ref crew from yesterday don’t get called on the carpet today, it’s going to be a long season in the NFL.

    • MB30SD

      agree canada.

      Also, I am *ALL* for replay on game altering calls. any time you’re putting a team back on the field with a fresh set of downs on a big 3rd down play, or a holding on a fucking field goal… I’ve never seen one of those before…. etc…

      the NFL HAS to make the refs accountable, cause right now they aren’t one bit and can be as shit as they want without any repercussion. In a 16 game season, erra single game counts big.

      • CanadaBear

        The Fudgie center got called for holding twice in a row and both of those should have been non calls in my book. I’m blown away by a lot of this. I get the safety aspect but all this defensive holding, pass interference and bogus roughing calls are brutal.

    • BillW

      Another call from bellicheck (sp?) for everything being reviewable. I say at least major fouls (15 yds and any automatic firsts). Two or Three challenges per half and if you are right you get it back.

    • SC Dave

      Sad to say, but for all we know, yesterday’s game was no worse than the league average.

  • MB30SD
    • GPLDAN

      Incredible.

  • Trac

    I get the angst from Jeff’s rant, I just hope we don’t start sounding like cry babies.

    • DaBearsBlog

      I don’t blame this game on refs. Outcome has nothing to do with it. I checked out of this game when it was close.

      • Cormonster

        Jeff, even a lot of my Packer fan friends here in Wisconsin were bitching more about the refs after the game than gloating over the victory. That is rare. Many of their comments today reflected your rant. You know it’s bad when even they talked more about the refs than the game itself.

    • bearsfantillend

      The complaining about the refs calls started in the preseason, and at that time it was making a Preseason game unwatchable, not that its hard to make a PS game hard to watch. Everyone from the league to the media to some fans, kept saying the players will get used to it. Guess what they are not getting used to it, and the refs aren’t helping things out. And Now the disillusionment of the fans will continue.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      I’ll be the first to say (again) that the call on Peppers was completely inexplicable as well. It was a total officiating meltdown.

      • bearsfantillend

        i personally thought the penalty on who ever tagged Cutty down in the head on the slide was a joke. I got hit harder in the head playing duck-duck-goose in kindergarten,

        • MB30SD

          rough school

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    Agree 100% Jefe. I was actually thinking about this during the SF/Bears game. There were seemingly flags on every play in that game. I was thinking, “What would a brand new spectator of the NFL make of the game?” I envisioned the following exchange,

    Expert Fan: Oh this is going to be a good one today. (explains rules…)
    Rookie Fan: Okay, so, they have to get ten yards in 3-4 plays or the other team gets the ball. And they do this by running or throwing and catching. Got it. Check. Okay let’s see some football.

    Rookie Fan: Oh wow that was exciting, that guy caught a 50 yard bomb! The place is going nuts! So wait, why are they 10 yards further back then they started?
    Expert: (explains rule)

    Rookie: Okay, I see. OH Man! Did you see the hit on the quarterback? That was epic!
    Expert: Agreed, but unfortunately, The offense just gained 15 yards because of it.
    Rookie: Huh? I thought they were supposed to tackle each other?
    Expert: Nevermind.

    Rookie: That’s six points right?! What a catch in the endzone.
    Expert: Well, it appeared that way, but the refs thought the ball moved a millimeter.
    Rookie: Wait what? That was a great catch!
    Expert: Sorry man, doesn’t count.

    on and on like this throughout the game.

    net net: To a new fan of the sport, there is seemingly no rhyme or reason why anything happens on the field. It seems like a great play on offense, but the refs move them backwards. It seems like a great play on defense, but the refs move them forward. To a rookie fan, it seems the refs are the ones playing the games.

    How does the NFL expect to get new fans, let alone keep old ones?

    Fucking ridiculous. And I felt this way after the niner game that we won. This is not sour grapes. It’s contempt of the NFL and IT should draw a flag and a resignation from Roger Goodell.

    Bullshit.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Totally agree. San Fran game was a terrible watch but this set it to a new mark.

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        had to stop back in and tell you that your rant was spot on. I’m fucking disgusted with the calls and that gamechanging bad calls can’t even be challenged or at least quickly reviewed, because it will get in the way of the 2 hrs of commercials.

        • MB30SD

          theece.

          there desperately needs to be a review process put into place RIGHT NOW.

          • SC Dave

            I understand the frustration, but be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. If there are not enough stoppages of play in American football as it is…

            But maybe the review process will embarrass the refs into getting better. We can only hope.

    • BillW

      That scenario actually played out yesterday at the party I was at. Not in that detail but someone saying football has so many rules how can anyone understand it.

      This was a female who I assumed wants to like it but may think it’s too much trouble

      Not saying women can’t get it but talking to the point that the league makes it hard to attract new fans

      I like the”cousel” idea. They have been so focused on money they have ignored the product itself

    • MB30SD

      really doc? REALLY?!?!?!

      Pssstthhh… like a new fan would call it a ‘bomb’.

      Just such an implausible scenario. puh-lease!

    • Trac

      They expect to get new fans by shitting on the old ones. See, another parallel universe really does exist. The NFL has its very own death panel.

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      tough to watch football this year. Great, tough plays are penalized. Fantasy Football and offensive stats are the goal for the league.

    • Peanut FTW

      I was trying to get my wife and son to watch more football with me during that game and there were some pretty similar conversations. It eventually got to the point where I just gave up because you can’t explain rules when the interpretation of the rules varies official by official and as the game goes on.

    • SC Dave

      Excellent post.

  • Doc Hamstring

    If the NFL wants to officiate contact out of the game, they need to make an announcement, change rules, change equipment, and re-boot the game. This creeping-up-on-no-contact does not work. It takes the game that most people grew up watching and playing and changes it so that it is not recognizable.

    Maybe a lot of fans wouldn’t want a low-contact NFL. But at least we’d have truth in advertising.

    Skill players get catastrophically injured not so much during routine plays and actions, but because they take risks and get blown up. Why do they take risks? They are encouraged to do so by the rulebook and the officiating. It is now common practice now to send small WRs through LB zones. 30 years ago, you wouldn’t do that–not only would the WR never make it across the zone unmolested, but the WR would get destroyed upon making the catch. With the rules & mindset now, WRs routinely go across the middle. And once in a while, they get destroyed–because defenders are playing a contact-game, and that’s a risky pattern to run. Except offenses are encouraged to do it because defenders cannot legally blow up the play. So a defender gets a flag and a penalty, and a WR gets jacked-up.

    NFL should grow some cajones and–if they want to make it a wide-open passing league–just make the leap. Get rid of hard-shell helmets. Make it illegal to initiate contact with an offensive player unless the offensive player has secured the ball and the defender is not running in a direction in opposition to the offensive player (in other words, you gotta chase the offensive player). No, I don’t think this is a good set of rules and I don’t like what it would do to the game… but this is the direction the NFL is going anyway! Why sneak up on it? JUST DO IT.

    Instead, we have rules selectively applied and enforced. We have guys who have played 8+ years of football at increasingly high difficulty, now adjusting in a matter of weeks or MAYBE months to a different set of rules and norms.

    And that is the tip of the iceberg.

    The penalty flags–the phantom flags–thrown by referees not only in the Bears-Green Bay game, but in many games this year illustrate that the officials are making shit up as they go along. The rulebook has ambiguities, and the NFL has “points of emphasis” that shift every year. And so instead of calling the game with some hard-and-fast rules, letting contact happen and sorting it out when it gets egregious, we’re getting these bullshit penalties. They guy who “initiated contact with” Cutler’s head? Bullshit. He was touching him down when Cutler slid. Ref throws a flag. Mills gets his hands wrong on Peppers and PEPPERS gets flagged? Bullshit. Bostic’s “hold?” Bullshit. Mundy hits a WR in the shoulder, with his shoulder, after the WR catches the ball, and gets a flag? Bullshit.

    But the refs have been told to “safeguard the players” and throw flags when the foul could conceivably result in an injury. So refs are “playing it safe.” (This still doesn’t explain why the official was reaching for his flag before the play started on the FG, though.)

    Put blame where it is due: the Shield. The NFL wants to change pro football, but they’re afraid if they come out and say HOW they want to change and WHAT they want it to change to, fans will leave in droves.

    Sad part is, this year the NFL is alienating fans anyway.

    I could say more, from the Super Bowl halftime show catering to ANYONE but the typical NFL fan, to the DirecTV monopoly that prevents fans from paying the NFL directly to watch their favorite teams… but I’m already ranting too much myself.

    • Peanut FTW

      I agree, the only penalty listed on here that is even a marginal call was the hit on Cutler. Not only do you not need to touch him down on a slide as he is down immediately at the beginning of the slide and any contact is unnecessary but I think it was the “accidental” knee to the helmet as he was going thru Cutler that drew the flag. It was still marginal but at least it was a stretch of a call and not completely made up.

  • Bernsy

    First Time Poster starting with something beneficial for this week…

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/29/deangelo-williams-doubtful-this-week-with-ankle-sprain/

    Carolina looks to be really thin at RB and Cam has an ankle issue.

    • MB30SD

      value brought. well done.

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        lol, look at that new dudes avatar. Is that Harbaugh?

        • MB30SD

          hahahahaha… awesome. He was a bear.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            looks like Neon Deon is trying to assist in a coup over there.

          • CanadaBear

            Short shelf life though. You can’t be that intense and that much of a drama queen all the time. That shit wears people out. Not many things are more frustrating than working for a micro manager.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            amen, I don’t know how that guy is married. I’d kill him while he slept. Some lucky lady has to get boned by that nerd?

          • DaMurph

            They already have him replacing Brady Hoke at Michigan.

          • MB30SD

            meh

    • Trac

      They also get to face a pissed off and humiliated Bears squad. Surely that counts for something.

    • CanadaBear

      Good job Bernsy. Welcome aboard.

      • Bernsy

        thx, I think it’s very possible we come out with a W this week. If you told me at the beginning of the season that we’d be 3 – 2 heading into week 6 with this schedule I think I would have been happy or at least not super depressed.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          I honestly thought we’d be 3-1 after this Packer game but some key turnovers against Buffalo stopped that shit right quick. A nice solid win vs Carolina will have the ship righted.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            I think we’ll see some great balance in the run game and use of Martellus again this week. It’s awesome that they are finally running him down the field. I’ve been begging for it for a year. He’s good for 850 to 900yds at this pace.
            Don’t put him at WR too much though or else he’ll ask for a raise.

          • CanadaBear

            Really like that edge to him. It sucked when that edge showed up in training camp but all those small CB’s and Safeties had trouble bringing him down. Other than one play … FUCK!

        • CanadaBear

          Yeah, me too. It’s just such a pisser to lose to the Fudgies all the time. Our defensive game plan was totally flawed and Tucker never changed it up. Really disappointing. Probably wouldn’t have made a difference in the outcome but it would be nice to see Erin get smacked a couple of times. That might have been the best passing day he’s ever had. When he threw that bomb up for grabs between 2 Bears defenders as he was going down, I got excited and thought pick for sure. Nope, a perfect strike that was called back. Some of that has to be luck but that fucker is uncanny against us. FUCK!

          • MB30SD

            yeah, that was ridiculous. that’s when i knew we were fucked. Some sundays errathing goes the other guy’s way… especially when you’re erin fucking rodgers.

          • CanadaBear

            The guy is the best QB I’ve ever seen. Esp with the rules in place now. I’m guessing all the old great QB’s would have been even more incredible in this day and age. We all know what it takes to beat great QB’s. Pressure. I wish someone would pass that knowledge onto Tucker.

          • SC Dave

            It was distressing that for the first time this year, the defensive adjustments totally failed yesterday. I am assuming it won’t become a trend.

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      I watched Tolbert’s chest almost cave in the other week and I think he fucked up his leg. I’m hoping Allen, Rat and the boys can get the pass rush going against Newton and their depleted WR corps.

      • SC Dave

        Every week that goes by without Ratliffe in the lineup makes me more worried about him.

        The fact that the Bears are always so close-mouthed about this shit is not helpful in relieving anxiety.

    • bearsfantillend

      one other good thing about Caroline. Steve Smith is not on that team anymore. God how many times has he burned us over the years.

  • MB30SD

    did you guys know that bmarsh broke a packer’s ankles in the game?

    it’s true, look: http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/09/brandon-marshall-breaks-packers-db-ankles-video/

    • Trac

      Very good, I love Irish funerals. Hahaha.

      • MB30SD

        dude, wtf?! you’re starting to speak some fucked up pigeon language. Are you losing it, or is your wife slowly feeding you non-lethal doses of rat poison over a long period so she won’t get caught?!

        • Trac

          Translation: thanks for the joke.

          • MB30SD

            Oh, uhhhh, ok. sure.

            <—- smiles warmly with puzzled look still on his face.

          • Trac

            Hahaha

    • Sactowns#1

      When I first saw the play in the game I thought they were going to throw a flag for BMarsh pushing off. Then on the replay I saw he just shook that fool out his shoes. Hope that dude went back and picked up his jock.

  • bearsfantillend

    Here are the members of the NFL Competition Committee

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_competition_committee

  • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

    Had to stop back in briefly,just listened to Jeff’s rant and had to add something, can we make little rants for our posts? i’d love to verbalize some of my feelings instead of typing everything out. Memes don’t always do it justice.

    • MB30SD

      you don’t have to qualify your presence here. You just cain’t quit us maings.

    • GPLDAN

      Yeah, that’s what we need.

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        lol, you love it.

        • GPLDAN

          Please use Ministry’s Stigmata as the fade in music and then… as it fades… just go off the hook Guy Fieri style

  • AlbertInTucson

    The Zebras need to be reined in.

    If you’re going to flag me for a texbook shoulder hit well… then I might as well blow the guy up and make it worth the 15 yards you are going to call anyway.

    • MB30SD

      ed zachary.

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      make it count!
      wait, I said I was done until Thursday.

      • CanadaBear

        No offense Johnny but none of the regs believed that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • MB30SD

          hahahaha

    • Josh

      Or phantom hands to the face on Peppers.

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        bullshit call, one of many against both teams, like that would have stopped the Bears from scoring in the first half. That was still a 15yd run Joshy.

        Yesterday is not the game to start making a list of penalties because both teams got fucked. Don’t be a fucking nerd.

        • MB30SD

          See, I’m not down with that. if we’re going to split hairs and do the useless tally, the refs fucked us out of 21 points. the fuged def had a couple bad calls, but nothing like us.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            yesterday was tragically bad officiating.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I will be surprised if Jared Allen can be ready this week, either.

    • MB30SD

      we needed him last week, cam newton is NOT erin vadgers by a loooooongshot.

    • CanadaBear

      There’s a good chance he will be out for at least a couple more weeks. Or ineffective if he comes back too soon. Pneumonia is nothing to mess with. Besides the weight loss, loss of the strength, etc. it really does a number on the lungs from all that fluid.

      • Bernsy

        CanadaBear, that would be terrible. Allen out there allows Houston to kick inside so Young Young can come off of edge. Seeing those 3 out there makes me feel a whole hell of a lot better than Trevor Scott.
        My big fear is that J.Ratliff could be out for another week or two.

        • CanadaBear

          If Ratliff isn’t back next week there’s a chance he won’t be back for a long while. That concussion protocol is very specific and the longer it goes on … I don’t remember Scott’s name even being called yesterday (same with Houston other than penalties).

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          I’m with Al, I want Allen back but I think he misses another game. David Bass time?

  • Willie

    Well, folks… That sucked balls.

    And I had to come back to work and deal with all the Packers trolls… specifically, the one whom I sent my “here’s why lines are the way they are, and why you’re a piece of shit, Mr. .”

    He sends me this, like a bitch, through the mail room:

    http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b606/eltrilliardo/photo_zps6f48076d.jpg

    Fuck.

    • BillW

      Yeah – well nobody but a fan speaking from emotion saw this coming. Actually I have a feeling Rodgers saw it coming – hence the annoying but reasonable advice to relax.

      God – the more I think about the game it was like lambs to the slaughter with our defense. I have to look at the all 22 this week to see why with little to no blitzing and 7 in coverage the receivers were so open. Is it a faulty scheme or poor playing? Yeah – probably both but if the players can’t play in that scheme then it’s the scheme, not the players (see Martz, Mike).

      • CanadaBear

        They were in zone all day. Their receivers found all the seams in the zones. Not all that hard to do. Many times our DB’s were right there but the ball placement was perfect. I don’t remember the Fudge having any dropped passes. One of those days from a team that has our number. Rodgers is a great QB but his confidence against us is unshakeable. We need to shake that shit up for sure. Even if we get killed, go down swinging. Stop playing that passive zone crap all game.

    • CanadaBear

      A fudgie fan acting like a bitch? That just can’t be!

    • MB30SD

      Willie… if I were a crass man, one lacking significant moral turpitude, I might… *MIGHT* go get a shitload of taco bell, let it percolate for a few hours then use that towel to clean up the mess left betwixt your asscheeks.

      Would that get you fired?

      • Willie

        Can DNA be found in a stool sample? Assuming I manage to keep the blood out?

        • MB30SD

          sadly, yes.

      • Shady

        bwahahahaha, yes.

  • bearsfantillend

    Zach Zaidman ✔ @ZachZaidman
    Trestman on where he got the idea for Jeffery TD: “It was a great idea that the Rams had.”
    Retweeted by DaBearsBlog

    Thank you Rams that was a thing of beauty.

    • Cormonster

      They ran that play against us last year at the start of the game with Tavon Austin. That speedy little shit had like an 80 yard TD on that play.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Jeff, I agree with your sentiment that the player conduct issues (domestic abuse, child abuse) and the handling of those issues will hardly affect the popularity and the “brand” of the NFL (and I don’t believe they necessarily should, either). But I think you’re way off the mark when you insinuate that this new brand of officiating is more detrimental to the league than the 800 pound CTE-afflicted gorilla in the room.

    I might be a little uncomfortable investing so much time into a league that’s filled with a relatively high percentage of criminals and/or lousy human beings, but I can stomach it. I’m not convinced that the NFL is actually contributing to domestic abuse or child abuse; do you think these same individuals would be more well behaved if they weren’t playing in the NFL?

    However, I won’t be able to stomach watching the NFL if I am convinced that the sport is actually turning human beings into vegetables and isn’t doing anything about it. And how much longer will the league be able to convince it’s players to sign up for the job when the damning evidence continues to pile up, severely threatening the quality of life of the average player. How are parents going to continue to let their children subject themselves to the abuse at the high school level when there is virtually no possibility of a financial reward?

    It’s not just the league that’s being threatened, it’s the sport itself. Something has to change. The officiating is pretty baffling at times, but i think the problem is that it’s inconsistent and no one really knows what is what. In other words, I don’t have a problem with the rule changes themselves, I just have a problem with the enforcement and the performance of the officials.

    The the new emphasis on player safety is no fun to watch, but it’s necessary to preserve the league. I feel strongly about that.

    • GPLDAN

      Oh Jesus Christ. A Humanitarian Packer Troll. He’s an asshole, but he cares about people.

      FWIW, I agree with you. THe change is afoot. The game is changing. See my post below.

      • TheBigCheesy

        To be clear, I meant to suggest that the average fan – not me personally – would have a problem with watching the NFL if they were convinced the sport was ruining lives. I’m pretty sure i’d still watch it as long as it was on.

        • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

          If people knew that the players knew the risks beforehand, they wouldn’t care. Now that people know how dangerous concussions are, have we seen even a single player quit the sport? No. Have we heard of fans leaving because of it? Not a single one. Have we heard of fans stop watching because of bullshit rules and enforcement eradicacies? Definitely.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Do you really think that the increased awareness of CTE related issues hasn’t forced more parents to prohibit their children from playing the sport? I’m not talking about NFL players quitting. I’m talking about the NFL losing it’s talent pool.

          • bearsfantillend

            unfortunately i am not worried about that. look how many NFL players come from very poor and troubled backgrounds. Its away for them to escape. Yes there will be a hit in the talent pool but i don’t think it will be terribly significant

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            personally I will be let down when an UFA Center from Dartmouth doesn’t make a team. How will the league fucking recover from that? In 15yrs, the timeframe Cheese is talking about, the average base salary for a rookie will be a fucking million dollars. Who are we going to convince to do this job?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            answer: the dude that runs a 4.28 and will spend his entire check on a diamond Aventador.

          • GPLDAN

            the Huracan is the real playa ride.

            http://uncrate.com/stuff/lamborghini-huracan-lp-610-4/

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            that shit is trilla

            please buy me one.

          • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

            I’m talking about the NFL. They can pussify whatever else they want.

            ENN EFF ELL!

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      To that I add, if in trying to protect players, the league is forced to concoct rules that are impossible to enforce correctly (due to the speed of the game and not allowing replays for flags) then said rules need to go.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Then you’d need new rules to replace “said rules”. You can’t just say, “fuck it, it’s too hard to improve player safety.” The game will die. The sport will die. Just wait until some lawyers and scientists team up to “prove” that the CTE related issues are actually making the players more violent and unstable, that the NFL is essentially creating the Ray Rices (they’re already doing with the Javon Belchers). Then the NFL is getting fucked DVDA.

        • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

          The rules, I have no problem with. It’s the arbitrary enforcement that bothers people. I say, let the zebras watch the film. If they throw a flag that results in a first down, or takes away a first down, they should have to review it. If the replay is inconclusive, then fine, it’s a judgement call and we’ll all just have to live with it. If it’s conclusive, all bitching will stop.

          To this, many would reply that it would slow down the game and hence ruin the product. I don’t know about yall, but i’d MUCH rather watch a four hour game without bogus penalties than a three hour game with them. Hell, I wish they were four hours anyway. As it is, It depresses me that I only get to watch my beloved for three hours a week. Except this week, I would have preferred a half hour coin flip to that nonsense.

          • bearsfantillend

            it doesn’t even need to be an on field review of the penalty. have a guy in the booth watching it. as fast as the replays are during the broadcast it could fairly easily be done. the refs already huddle up on damn near each penalty, in that time it could have been reviewed

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            that would make way too much sense.

          • BillW

            I’ve said the same thing for a while – rather a four hour game called correctly. But I think that would make it harder for them to get new fans. As it is, a football game has far less actual time of play (counting just snap to play end) than any other sport. It’s far less than 60 minutes of play. Well maybe soccer has less if you don’t count playing keep away as actual plays.

            We had this discussion too as Cheesy is saying; in my kids or grandkids lifetime the sport may either go away or be changed significantly. High schools abandon it due to liability issues (like they did with boxing before my time) and then the college game gets changed enough to make it hard to develop NFL ready players.

            Here’s an idea I’ve had a while – might sound counter-intuitive, but maybe they need to slow the game down by making the equipment heavier instead of lighter. Less high speed collisions. Maybe that doesn’t help at all.

            I honestly don’t know what they can do. Even flag football has blocking, such that led to Rat’s concussion. A completely non-contact 7 on 7 arena style game holds no interest for me.

  • GPLDAN

    WIth strict rules about grabbing, hard rules about lineman using face contact and a flag for anything that even grazes either a downfield wideout or a QBs head – we have a sea change to the game of football.

    There really is no alternative to the winning path from here, and all GMs and DCs will need to adhere to the doctrine if they plan on success.

    1. The era of the 3-4 and the amoeba is here. Call it amoeba era. It doesn’t need so much movement that it looks like bacteria swimmming, but as the Jets showed, it has to look exotic nearly every time.

    2. We will soon come to a collective realization that the only way to win in the league is to have 3 Reggie Whites. The 325 bull that can penetrate, with 3 of them demanding 4-5 guys that block them, the era of the DL is upon us. They will skyrocket in value.

    3. Combined with the Seahawks Cameron being the new proto LB/safety type, you need guys that can bring wood and still cover and catch the speedsters.

    4. Teams will start game planning the headhunt. They will wait and line up outside cheats trying to drive the slant or crossing pattern, and then try and KILL the guy and accept the 15 yard penalty and resulting fine. Intimidation will become a factored part of the equation.

    the game needs a sea change and the 4-3 era is closing down. QBs will become more and more speedy like Rodgers and Wilson and the game will demand it.

    • Cormonster

      A lot of college teams have already made the transition to the 3-4 and amoeba defense.

      • BillW

        I don’t get the amoeba – there is no momemtum on the rushes part. You’d think zone blocking would defeat that.

        • Cormonster

          I watch every Badger game, and they started using the amoeba last year. It’s mainly used against option QB’s and 2nd or 3rd and long. It’s worked pretty good for them the last two years.

  • Shady

    Pats -3 @ KC tonight. Who ya got?

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      who would you like to win the game? i’ll bet on the other guy for you.

    • It’s hard to tell what sort of team the Pats or Chiefs are.
      But KC’s playing at home. Their defense is ravaged, but I think they’ll pull the upset.

  • Trac
  • Josh

    Told ya GB would wipe the floor with Chicago. My 34-17 prediction was pretty damn good!

    Bears down.

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      you can’t upvote your own comment.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        Except me. Like I said, I will upvote every one of my own comments.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          you have a PH.D, you can upvote yourself. Josh is 23 and works for Enterprise Rent A Car. He cannot.

          • MB30SD

            Wow, giving josh a little bit of the benny of the doubt huh? You are truly kind sir. I was thinking taco bell… do they have those in wiscaaaahnsin?

          • Josh

            Ask your fellow Illinois friends who are wealthy enough to have cottages in Wisconsin (where they like to vacation because, you know, Illinois is a shithole.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Josh, MB is in Cali man, paradise, i’m the one in the shit hole

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            he’s a car porter for ERAC, not a manager.

      • Josh

        I can and I will. Thanks.
        Won’t even be 8-8? Have you seen our upcoming schedule?

        Good lord, your butt is hurt.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          you cannot and you won’t. The bears gained almost 500yards with 33 first downs. You must know that Rodgers cannot go for a 152 every game. There will be more games like the Lions where there is crying, accusations, fear, etc. You forget that I know Wisconsin hill folk and they were flipping their shit at 1-2. FLIPPING THEIR HILL PEOPLE SHIT. Sorry Josh, you can talk all the shit your want but don’t come crying on my shoulder with your greasy greenbay well water hair and flannel shirt from 1998. I won’t be able to stop the townsfolk from killing and eating the coaching staff. Fat McCarthy will be roasted like a pig when you’re 7-9

          • Josh

            Rodgers doesn’t need to go for a 152 every game for us to win games. We’ve been doing it with little to no defense for years now. This year is no different. Still the class of the NFCN.

            The truth hurts. Enjoy that Cutler contract.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            FLIPPING THEIR HILL SHIT like in 2008. You do remember that madness right?

          • Josh

            Remaining schedule: MIN, @ MIA, CAR, @ NO, CHI, PHI, @ MIN, NE, ATL, @ BUF, @ TB, DET.

            We’re only winning 5 or 6 of those games? Whatever you say, guy.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            well, we know you’re losing at NO and against Detroit and New England. Atlanta has weapons you can’t stop except if you get a snowstorm which is god’s way of saying I wish you’d all die. Chicago at your place will be interesting and you know there is one more in there. Maybe you win 9. Pitchforks and angry toothless grimacing townies will demand their fake stock certificates back or at least to be able to turn them in for more hay and slop for the pigs.

          • Josh

            New Orleans is a dumpster fire and Detroit hasn’t won in Lambeau since 1991. LOL.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Detroit held you to 7 points and Rodgers was seen cry-yelling at rookies.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            i’m just saying it will be a tough road.

          • Josh

            And that somehow has implications for a game 13 weeks away? I’m sure Detroit and GB will be the same teams.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Josh, he was cry-yelling.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            lol, i’m just fucking with you. Let’s just watch it all play out.

            now wash my car.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Let’s talk after we get through one year of it.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Josh, don’t think that you can just not sign in to Disqus and Guest Upvote yourself. I know it’s you and it’s still illegitimate.

          • johnnywad

            Shall we talk about the Julius Peppers contract? Remember last week? You were here defending the awesome pass rush Julius was providing the Packers. He did have a tackle yesterday. So that’s good. That makes like 8 tackles this year. Not too shabby for a $10M linebacker.

          • Josh

            BTW we were 1-2 in 2012 and 2013 and I seem to recall winning division titles.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            with an 8-7-1 record and the Bears having the worst D in the history of football. Josh, i’m not saying Rodgers isn’t awesome, and totally dreamy, i’m saying your team is fucked. If you didn’t turn off your TV after that game and think that immediately you are delusional.

          • Josh

            I accept that the Packers defense is a work in progress and currently terrible. Keep projecting though.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            I’m not projecting, I have extended family in Oshkosh and Green Bay and i’m legitimately scared for the wife-cows. Josh, they are going to get the shit beat out of them if GB doesn’t make it to the NFC Championship game.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            they will be beaten, stripped and made to sleep in the hen house and makeshift kennel made out of chain link fence while the rusted out 1955 Oldsmobile that Pappy always wanted to restore sits comfortably under an old tarp that smells like cat pee.

          • Cormonster

            It sounds like you have a close relationship with some of your Wisconsin relatives. They sound like good people.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Lol, I keed I keed

    • MB30SD

      sadly for you, you’re still a total douchebag.

      I don’t know a single bears fan that goes looking to post on another team’s boards. Clown.

      • Josh

        lolololol

    • Doc Hamstring

      So, would you have come back here if the Bears had won, admitted you were wrong, and congratulated us on a good game?

      No, because you’re an insufferable douche who thinks that just because the team he likes won, he’s a better person than others.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Wait, that’s not how it works? Shit.

        • WP4Life

          that’s funny – good one.

      • Josh

        Now you’re going to pretend to know how I would or wouldn’t act if something had happened that didn’t actually happen? Neat.

  • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!
    • MB30SD

      “I don’t do surgeries,” Bennett said. “I’m like Wolverine.”

      Dude. DOOOOD! I know he went off the rails at camp, but I seriously fucking love him. He is fucking hilarious, and a total stud on the field. so much win.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        Me too, my female flogging friend. Me too.

        He NEVER seems to go down on initial contact. Always fighting for more yards. THAT’s Chicago Bear football.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          year of the YAC.

        • MB30SD

          it’s not just about the alligator fuckhouse doc.

  • Sactowns#1

    The tale of this game was pretty simple to me. it was a shoot out and Gb just had the better weapons. No TD at the half kills you and they then are down 2 scores after the half and have to abandon the run. So it comes down to Cutty clawing his way back, getting a couple big TD’s.. instead he crapped the bed. Lets hope he changes the sheets before next Sunday.

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      He shouldn’t have thrown that Morgan pass and he certainly should not have changed his route to a double move GO because his other self was throwing the hook that was called. He really fucked up.

      • BerwynBomber

        Jay was a mixed bag. A fantastic first half, a shitty second half. Won’t pin the loss on him but if we are team designed to win shootouts we need to put more than 17 on the board. And look, I’m not even asking for 38 but 17 won’t get it done.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          I hear you, it was a cunt hair from 28 in the first half alone. Well be fine

    • If Cutler had not overthrown Alshon or thrown it anywhere but the endzone at the end of the half, the Bears wouldn’t have to “claw” back. He put himself in that situation.
      GB does NOT have better weapons. They just have a superior QB that makes it seem that way. Pains me to say it, but it’s true.
      But I still don’t think they have a superior team overall, and I would argue that their defense and run game is worse than ours.

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        first off, he threw a high pass to Alshon, it sucks and it resulted in a field goal but it happens (80yd drive). He also helped orchestrate a 90yd drive in 1 minute 3 seconds at the end of half. He may have missed a TD with Bennett by a fucking inch but let’s not act like it was some boneheaded fumble-roosky type shit.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          seriously, what the fuck is going on here?

        • They weren’t touchdowns.
          Rodgers scored touchdowns.
          That was the difference.
          Cutler played OK, esp on those recovered fumbles.
          Rodgers played better.
          That was that.
          It’s like being Matisse and not Picasso.

          Matisse is good; he’s just no Picasso.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Bennett’s wasn’t a touchdown because a 9 Billion Dollar league’s only fucking camera got blocked by Micah Hyde???? crazy.

          • Josh

            It wasn’t a touchdown because he didn’t break the plane.

          • WP4Life

            your mom’s calling…get out here

          • Josh

            Solid rebuttal.

          • BillW

            Have to respond to this. It is very unlikely the ball DIDN’T break the plane. The freeze frame shows the goal line and his hands inches away. So where is the ball if not breaking the plane? I get they can’t over turn the call but there is no evidence to show that it DIDN’T break the plane.

          • BerwynBomber

            A couple of experts on the radio claimed that the issue wasn’t so much the plane but that Bennett never established full control of the ball until he was a solid half-yard away from the line.

          • MB30SD

            it’s about taste, they’re very diff.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          oh, and fuck your trade. Kelvin Benjamin during Panther week? Panther Week????

          • You can sit him this week if you want (that’s what I’m going to do, then again, I got Antonio Brown and Julio Jones).
            Foster is gonna kill you with his bum hamstring for the next two weeks, which will most likely bounce you from the playoffs.

            Just a thought.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Panther Week!?!?

          • The way I see it, the Panthers are going to be down by a lot and throwing a shit load in garbage time when we’re up 45-7 in the 4rth.

            Win/Win

      • BerwynBomber

        Spot on. They have Rodgers. We have Cutler. That is the one area where they are absolutely superior to us; otherwise, our talent either rates with theirs or trumps it. And I agree, their run D is horrible and their pass rush looked even more anemic than ours, if that is possible. And it’s not like Jay is Geno Smith or something. He’s a talented, proven pro QB. We just got beat by an all-timer yesterday who played next to perfect, which even for an all-timer is uncommon. Best to move on. This Carolina game looks very winnable. Chico’s bunch are suddenly a mess.

  • Big Mike

    My brother and I are life long fans. 4 or 5 times we both commented that the officiating was ruining the game.

  • Big Mike

    Fucking packer… Back Friday. Still bummed.

  • GPLDAN

    Some actual Indians show up at a Redskins parking lot tailgate wearing shirts for fake teams like “the Caucasians”. This was part of a Daily Show segment.

    It gets violent and threats and epithets fly.

    http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/GreenRoom/archives/2014/09/26/ill-fucking-cut-you-behind-the-scenes-of-the-1491s-segment-on-the-daily-show

    • Trac

      Savages.

  • Josh

    I’m just messing with you guys. I respect the hell out of the Bears; it’s a great rivalry. Good luck the rest of the way.

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      lol, oh Josh you comedienne.

      • Trac

        I was gonna tell him to watch out because we’re switching Cutty to LB to lower his interception ratio. Lol.

  • Josh

    Here’s the real question: how long does Trestman last as the anti-Lovie (all O, no D)? Lovie went 10-6 in his last season with Chicago. Trestman sits at 10-10 and the defense shows no signs of improvement.

    • BillW

      Emery gets that. Took a bottom barrel offense and made it top 5 in one year. Defense had too many old parts and bad parts. Will take another year. Salary cap reality says you can’t be top5 in both.

      You know Rodgers is your whole team. I can’t honestly see them advancing in the playoffs if they even get there. But that’s your problem

      Well that and living in Wisconsin

      Don’t get me wrong I love visiting southern Wisconsin. Just could never live in such a cultural wasteland

      Though the clown museum in Delavan is nice

      • BerwynBomber

        “You know Rodgers is your whole team.”
        Exactly. Look at the first fifteen years of John Elway’s career. One guy can’t do it alone. Rodgers is awesome but the Cheese, overall, are not a formidable post-season/SB team. Bears and Lions still have the best talent in the division.

        • I dunno, the non-QB portion of GB significantly outplayed the non-QB portion of Chicago yesterday.

          I don’t think either team is ready to contend for a SB yet. But GB has a stud QB, which means they’re going to win a ton of regular season games.

          In the playoffs you need to dominate in the trenches on both sides of the ball. GB isn’t doing that. So they remain a team that will win a lot of games and lose fairly early in the playoffs. For the 4th year in a row.

          I wish Chicago could get to that level.

          • BerwynBomber

            Which portion? Their secondary? That’s really about it, right? And even there, GB was hardly lights out. They just made a couple of plays. If you say WR, I would say that is directly related to QB, and to some extent was offset by the play of Forte and Bennett. They killed us in one straight up comparison: at QB. Again, I’m not blaming Jay for the loss. He had an excellent first half (and a shitty second half). But they had a HoFer who was practically perfect for the entire game. A huge difference.

          • You make a good point there. Their secondary was definitely much better. I guess their DL was probably overall worse, since their run D was awful, but their pass rush was marginally better. Their OL was also impenetrable in pass protection, while Chicago’s was merely good.

            But you can’t really find one area, outside of RBs and TEs, where Chicago was clearly better, and that’s the bigger problem.

        • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

          We get trounced by the cheese and you’re the guy goin, “well the bears have better talent…”?

          You play. To win. The game. It’s not a talent show.

          • BerwynBomber

            Thanks, Herm.

  • BerwynBomber

    We could be 5-2 entering Week 8. These next three games are very winnable. Btw, weird that our next division game is, again, against GB.

    • 5 division games in last 8. Just have to stay within striking range.

      I’ll be happy if they’re 5-3 at the bye; I’ll settle with 4-4. Any less and the season is over.

  • I almost no longer give a fuck if we go to the playoffs. I just want to beat the Packers at their house. It’s embarrassing losing to them again and again. It’s like a big brother always punking his lil bro. Or worse, a big bro being punked by his lil bro.

    We’re the god damn Fredo Corleone of the rivalry.

    Pathetic.

    • Shady

      Fuck GB. I’d lose to them twice a year every year if it meant perennial playoff appearances.

    • Trac

      Green bay this Green Bay that. Awes was. Isn’t that what the Don told sonny.

  • Maddbearfan

    I like the Packers when 1. We beat their slimy yellow /green cheese sucking asses! 2. When they beat Lions and the ViQueens.

    The only way to beat the Pack is to contain Mr. Rodgers (and YES he is good!), cover the middle of the field like Lach used to, and stop making STUPID fucking decisions. None of which we did yesterday.

  • BerwynBomber

    This Fisher (T)/Jones (DE) match-up is pretty cool. A couple of studs going at each other each KC possession.

  • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

    What the fuck is Andy Reid wearing?

    is that a smock?

    • Cormonster

      Waffle, what % of you is Wisconsin hillbilly redneck? 25%, 50%?

      • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

        I’m born and raised Chicago. My dad is from green bay but moved to Chicago in 75. His side is all Wisconsin.

        • Cormonster

          My brother lives about 45 minutes north of Green Bay. His wife is a Packer fan. The oldest daughter is 7 and Mom has her brainwashed right now, but I think my brother is making progress. The younger daughter, 4, is firmly is his grip as a Bear fan. I think his psychological warfare will slowly turn the older daughter into a Bear fan.

    • MB30SD

      That’s called a mumu

  • bearsfantillend

    How is illegal use of hands within 5yards of line of scrimmage? isn’t that the only place a defender is allowed to touch a WR?

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      Elite

  • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

    #elite

  • BerwynBomber

    NE getting worked. Chiefs may have enough to contend for a WC.

  • Shady

    Wow.

  • MB30SD
    • Shady

      Hahaha, mmmm yes.

      • MB30SD

        Quiiiiiiite.

  • Cormonster

    What was the penalty for on Abdullah? Did he go to his knees to pray to the wrong g*d? It’s not like he jumped into the stands and caused delay of game.

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