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A Few Questions to Ponder as Bears Prepare for a Pivotal Offseason

| January 15th, 2014

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I don’t really have a coherent column in my mind right so I decided to just lay out some Bears-related questions on my mind. Feel free to provide your own answers in the comments sections or by email: jeff@dabearsblog.com.

  • Is Julius Peppers really a player the Bears should give up on for financial reasons? I have not been as down on Peppers’ 2013 as many other. Was he a dominant edge rusher? No. But he did have a few spectacular games while anchoring a defensive line that lacked a single other player of worth for most of the season. If I’m the Bears, I try to bring him back.
  • How does Devin Hester’s production in the return game compare to rest of the league’s best returners? With his number of fair catches on punt returns and the general number of touchbacks on kickoffs, does it make any sense to occupy a roster spot with a returns-only gentleman? Can the Bears afford to pass on any defender of note in order to keep Hester? I don’t think so.
  • Is Chris Conte still in the plans? Conte is under contract for 2014 but he has become something of a poster boy for the defensive struggles of the season, culminating on his fateful fourth-and-eight missed assignment. Conte moving to a swing/backup safety role may be a bone Phil Emery and Marc Trestman throw to the fans.
  • Can the Bears and Charles Tillman reach an agreement? Bringing back Tillman and Jennings as the starting corners would allow the Bears to look at the draft for corners, knowing the pressure to play immediately isn’t there. It would also enable them to target DL and safety in free agency.
  • What are Henry Melton’s people going to ask for? I don’t think we can debate Melton being in the 2014 mix until we answer that question.

These are the questions currently on my mind. What’s on yours?

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  • johnnywad

    First to say glad you’re open minded on Hester. Surprises me.

  • MB30SD

    ponder… get it? Ponder?

    Ok, that was pretty fucking thin…. anorexic.

  • MB30SD

    1. Fire Podlesh… although I’m sad to see another tribesman go since there are so few of us around the NFL. I know that’s a dumb fucking reason, but I’m a sentimental guy… and I still want him shitcanned.

    2. If pep is willing to GREEEAAAATTTTLLLLYYY reduce his deal and it makes sense, great. Otherwise let’s just spend the money on a draft pick bad ass or some one else’s FA or cast off bad ass

    3. HeGone!!!!

    4. I pray to god both our safeties are either gone or riding pine ALL of next year. That means we found real safeties in FA and/or the draft. If either are still starting our D is going to be in trouble again… unless we find young pep and a #99 to play up front and QBs don’t have time to get any passes off.

    5. Really hope peanut comes back to us. One of my favorite bears since Mike B.

    6. They need to be reasonable. Give him a 1 year deal to prove he’s back with the promise of a bigger deal if he crushes it next year.

    • NewBearInTown

      1. Yeah, we’re moving on. Podlesh apparently practices great, but he’s just got too much bad tape to stay in Chicago.

      2. Yeah, that’s about right. Peppers is good, but he’s not worth the $10M we’d save if we cut him. He might not recognize that fact himself, but the fact is, he’s not getting a big contract anywhere else either.

      3. He might be back. An extra half million a year won’t cripple the salary cap. The real issue is the roster spot – and who else Emery thinks we can put out there on return duties.

      4. Conte will be back. We’re too thin on the roster to cut him. He’s slightly below average, but he’s not glaringly bad. That’s not a bad place to be if you’re looking for a #3 or #4 safety.

      5. Agreed on Peanut. All about the numbers on both sides at this point.

      6. One year deal probably won’t happen. If I’m Melton, I just spent the season with a bad knee, I’m thinking about job security right now. I want a 3 year deal minimum with as much guaranteed money as possible, and I’ll go to another city if that’s what it takes to get it. Somebody will pay him that. But he’s not getting the monster contract he wanted last year. That knee injury cost him probably $30M. The franchise tag strikes again.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Am I the only one on here who would love to see Peanut at FS ?

        His skill-set just isn’t at CB IMHO. He needs to be the guy following the QB’s eyes on passes and the sure-stripper/tackler on runs. Obviously that means drafting a CB or signing one … and I know it won’t happen … but it should. We were right about CD, and I know Peanut would make a great safety. One thing’s for sure .. .he beats the piss out of Chris Conte who gives us NOTHING. If we can’t get a SS, then I’d stick Steltz-bomber in the weight room and feed him Weight Gain 2000 until it comes out of his ears.

        My fiftieth of one dollar.

        • NewBearInTown

          You and Hub Arkish.
          It sounds like a good idea except Peanut was the best cornerback on the Bears last year and the year before. We had two great starting corners in Peanut and Jennings. If Peanut’s skills start to fade, moving him to the safety position (which requires more violent tackling) isn’t going to help.
          But for now, where do you see his skill-set not suited to cornerback?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Peanut is going to be the best corner ever to not be in Canton. And taking a guy who’s sustained that many season-ending injuries to this point and putting him at a much more violent position, uh, no thanks. I’ve never been on that wagon, not jumping on now. If anything, finding a gem at CB in round 2 or 3, who can take over returns from Hester and some reps from Tillman, that is something I can get behind.
            First round pick depends on what Melton goes for and how healthy he is. If he’s gone, we have to go pass-rush first.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He only gets to focus (generally) on the receiver he’s covering. As a ball-hawk, he can be at the center of things and get in there stripping and punching RBs and WRs alike.
            We could get him involved more as a safety, no?

      • Irish Sweetness

        6. Tommie Harris. Once bitten ….

        • NewBearInTown

          But what does that mean? You don’t believe in signing defensive tackles to long term contracts?

          • Irish Sweetness

            … after knee surgeries, no. They already have too much weight on a joint that’s not designed to carry it.

    • Trac

      He’s about to be cut off the vine and cast into the fire.

  • johnnywad

    Podlesh is not a professional punter. He has to be replaced. Sooner is better than later
    Pepp may or may not be done. But how do you risk it for anywhere near what he’s slated to make in ’14.
    Devin had a historic game at home against the Vikings. Outside of that his good moments weren’t worth the bad. He seems exceedingly replaceable given every other return man in the league brings additional value by playing another position
    If Chris Conte is back I’ll be shocked. He better skip training camp and go to Geometry camp.
    Tillman’s health is the only question. If his knee is repairable, gotta get him back. The tricep should be fine.
    Same with Melton. How do tackles do after an ACL? He’s better than average when healthy but I don’t see him as a guy they can’t afford to lose. Healthy and reasonably priced or hit the bricks.

    • MB30SD

      Ha! Geometry Camp… I think Doc went to that from 5th – 11th grades.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Geometry camp! Mwah! Well said. Yes. Or any camp for that matter … far way and nothing to do with football.

  • Trac

    Ahem! The Bears are already in offseason strateegery mode.

  • Trac

    The question on my mind is, “how long will the offseason be?”.

    • Irish Sweetness

      With the shit I’ve been researching, Trac … very long for some of you ….

      Gravity and zero point energy.

      (blog collectively facepalms)

      Oh yes.

  • IBNO

    This post is dated January 15th. That’s one day in the future. JEFF, ARE YOU A TIME TRAVELER!?!

    • Cormonster

      Queensryche review. It didn’t come close to 1989 Operation Mindcrime tour, and I didn’t expect it to, but the show was still very enjoyable. The crowd was totally into it. Fantastic venue in all respects, and the replacement musicians did an admirable job. I could have done without the 80’s poser shit by the guitarists and bassist. The drummer did a very good job on some complex drum parts. Geoffrey Tate definitely lost some range, but I expected that. To his credit, he had a female singer “help” on some of the extended high notes. All in all a well put together show.

      The friend I visited played in some very talented bands. If you check this out, any thoughts? Went to the show with the bass player and also grew up with the guitar player.

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K7rmXEa4X6A

      • Irish Sweetness

        Thanks Cor.

        I guess Geoff got the spandex out again because …. of alimony ?

        • Cormonster

          No spandex on Geoff, jeans and a sleeve less shirt, and a bald head.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Well, it’s possible IBNO – once you can travel FTL – as gravity waves do. Let’s leave it at that for now.

      Three more games. And then it’s ON.

  • gpldan


    Is Julius Peppers really a player the Bears should give up on for financial reasons? I have not been as down on Peppers’ 2013 as many other. Was he a dominant edge rusher? No. But he did have a few spectacular games while anchoring a defensive line that lacked a single other player of worth for most of the season. If I’m the Bears, I try to bring him back.

    Aaaaannnd….. there it is.

    Pay Olin. Bring back Lack. Keep Lovie. Now… Keep Pep.

    “Status quos are made to be broken.” – Ray Davies, Kinks

    Come on now! Don’t fear the Reaper!

    • Trac

      That is so Andy Warhol. This!

    • NewBearInTown

      Agreed here. One of the reasons the Patriots are great is that they part with good players a year early instead of a year late. Peppers isn’t a year early, he’s right on time.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Plus they get mileage out of the older-player pickups, see L. Blount.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Agree generally GP ….. but we air-locked Lac a year too soon. Pep has nothing for us and we’re not exactly losing a leader and a play-caller. Lac’s case was different, we needed more than production out of the Mike.

      Olin and LDL were gimps.

  • Ososfan

    Hey fellas long time no post, anywho. The most pressing matter I have for the off-season (at the moment) is “Who will replace the coaches that got fired?” You can have great talent from the draft but if they don’t end up getting better and learning then, I believe it will all be a waste. I am really hoping we get some great teachers for the D guys. Man, it was upsetting watching the beloved get trounced. Also, Conte was doing pretty well lastvyear for a dude that played CB in college and was converted to Safety, I think a lot of you guys forget that. Shit, Conte was doing better than Wright for a while there so that says something about his level of talent….. Don’t hurt me MB30SD.. lol.

    • MB30SD

      Oh I remember that oso… how can anyone forget?

      Hope you’re well maings. Welcome back

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        All I hear when I read Oso’s posts are “Special alert, special alert!”.
        I watch way too much Disney.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Agent Osos!

      Coaches Smoaches. Who is Hoke sleeping with BTW ?

      Build my DL.

  • SC Dave

    1. No point.

    2. Peppers is too expensive at his current projection for 2014.

    3. Don’t hear anyone complaining about a roster spot for a long snapper.

    4. Unless he goes back to *at least* as good as he was in 2012, Conte cannot be our FS. Someone (Butch?) wrote a couple weeks back about his confidence being shattered, The Chicago “faithful” won’t help with that. Ask Rex Grossman, or Mike Tomczak, for example. The best deal for Chris might be a change of scenery. But since he’s under contract, that would likely only happen via him being cut.

    5. I would not be surprised to see Tillman in Tampa, especially if Lovie offers him a line on a DB coach position down the road. It may depend a lot on who the Bears get to shore up their D and hence their playoff chances.

    6. Agree with the general sentiment on kicking Melton’s tires before committing anything big. Also, without Peppers, just how good would Melton look?

    • tobijohn

      Peanut made $8mil last year, didn’t he? What’s starting pay for entry level DB coach? he probably made more in one game playing than he would in several years of coaching. I guess if he has a passion for coaching after his playing days are over…

      • Irish Sweetness

        You never see players strip at the ball once the ball carrier is held up. It’s all Peanut thinks about. With him and Lac on the field we were always in the game.

        Peanut as DB coach? I like. Perfect.

    • NewBearInTown

      Lovie would give Peanut the job regardless of whether he went to Tampa. But people overestimate how many players actually want those coordinator jobs.
      If you’ve got $20M in the bank and a nice house, do you want to spend 14 hours a day cutting tape for somebody else’s game plan? I think Tillman leaves the NFL for good or else goes into broadcasting. I don’t think any current Bears with big contracts will want to coach at the NFL level once they retire.

      • MB30SD

        agree NB.

        I watched a lot of BMarsh being interviewed and sitting as a guest on a couple shows. He is a BIG personality and will be a very interesting guy behind the camera at some point… hopefully after a few SB titles.

        • NewBearInTown

          Absolutely.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Brandon would put them all to shame on TV, I love his way. He talks the talk, but he walks the walk.

      • NewBearInTown

        Personally, if I’ve made my money in the NFL and don’t want to leave football, I’m looking to coach a good high school or D2 school. You can get that job and keep it for life, the NFL cred will get you into a head coaching position in a much less time than at a major program. You get a prospect you can coach up maybe once ever other year, so you get to work with great talent without the constant headache of NFL aspirations.
        And most importantly, the guys on those teams seriously want to play football for the love of the game. If you’re a guy like Peanut, how cool would that be.

      • Irish Sweetness

        $20M in the bank? Let’s see …. that’s 600 million Thai baht. FML. King of the world my friend, king of the world. Nope, I’m not getting out of bed. Literally. There would be about ten females with a backup rotation, all feeding me pills, and all with lips like Louis Armstrong and there’s only one trumpet in town. Damn. Enjoy it P-nut!! I would.

        • gpldan

          Be the modern Elvis! Be him!

          They love you long time!

          • MB30SD

            they DO love you long time, don’t they.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Good point on the Mannelly fella. He won’t be missed until he’s gone. Then they’ll see. Garza can’t get the fucking shotgun right and he false starts his own snaps. I didn’t know that was even possible.

  • Thompson Way

    Peppers can stay if he’ll agree to a decrease in pay, some where around 3 mil., Hester can stay if he is willing to take vet min., and Tillman can stay, but the Bears will need to see a healthy home town discount. Just like Urlacher, Emery has a magic number and it will be “take it or leave it”. To bad none of these guys can swallow their pride enough to stay next year.

    • tobijohn

      It will be interesting to see what the actual market for Tillman and Hester is. Pep’s under contract but realistically, what would even a team with a crazy owner peg his value at currently?

    • SC Dave

      Hester might, but I doubt it.

      • MB30SD

        Really… I figured him to be the least likely of the three

        • EnderWiggin

          Skunk wants one more. Like the rest of us.

          • MB30SD

            meh

            …oh, wait… did you mean paycheck?

    • NewBearInTown

      Except other teams will be interested in Tillman.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Even at 3M .. .is he getting to the QB? How bad is that foot? Wooten has more upside, but we need a premier rusher at the other end and Pep ain’t got it no more. Production. Production. Production.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Unless he moves inside to tackle … for 4.5M ….

        Wooten – Paea/Collins – Pep – #1 draft pick

        Briggsy – DJW – Bostic

  • burntorangenavyblue

    1) Get rid of Podlesh. As questionable as our defense may be next year, I do not want to have to sit there and watch games wondering if the next punt is going to be a measly 30 yards out of the endzone, and then knowing that quite possibly the D is going to let the next drive from the opponents score b/c of that shitty punt. Just not worth it. Find anyone that can boot the damn ball!

    2) Pep needs to take a hometown discount and hopefully he can mentor the young guys we draft on the D-line. He better not have Urlacher on speed dial if there’s any restructuring of his contract….

    3) We need at least a FA veteran at safety. It’s not worth picking a safety up high in the draft considering the risks. To fix the safety problems, we need to start at the D-line and get a STUD for the first pick of the draft and maybe the second round. If you cause chaos at the line of scrimmage from the D-line, then the glaring holes on safety may be minimized because it is hoping the QB screws up the throw fearing for their life.

    4) If Tillman and Hester go to Lovie in Tampa, then good riddance. Hester screwed the Bears by pigeonholing the WR spots for several years and taking too much money thanks to Lovie’s “brilliant” offensive plans. Tillman should remain a Bear…he is already great and I thank Lovie for it, but going back to your old coach…..what does that prove? Seems kinda weird.

    • MB30SD

      Pretty much agree on 4. can’t agree with all of #3. While I do agree everyone needs a disruptive dline these days, at some point we are going to HAVE to pick up a franchise safety and at least a middlin SS.

      If that all comes through FA I’m fine with that as long as the dude is young and can stay with us and become ours for a long time. provide some stability back there. That said, if there isn’t a monster dline pick at our spot in rd 1, we need to get us some man on man Dix. earl thomas style

      • Irish Sweetness

        DL way more important than safeties in my book, MB. They all look good when the front-four are having a field day … like catching pop-ups. We draft a safety high and it’s never going to help us to build that foundation from whence destruction will be wreaked.

        Yes, that was a baseball reference out of me.

        Cry ‘HAVOC!’ ……

        • MB30SD

          I understand this… I really really do. But we haven’t had a stable, solid, dare I say good safety pair since harris / Manning.

          We need to pick up decent football players for those spots, not just project corners. Why? Because your dline isn’t going to get to the QB on about half the plays. I’m not advocating for the entire legion of boom… well, actually I am, but I’m trying to be realistic and asking for at least no more total abject suckage back there.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Walter Payton’s career punt average was 39 yards.

    • Irish Sweetness

      2) Apparently he’s not much of a mentor/teacher/talker. He’s a paycheck-picker-upper.

      3) What he said.

      4)Where did all the Tillman-to-Tampa talk come from? Do they have the cap space to pay him?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Worst punter – 12th best paid. Is he still here?

    Peppers would appear to have lost SOME pep, but not ALL of it. After all the injuries, who else on that defensive line concerned opposing offenses?

    Conte? I know a lot your back 4’s success is at the mercy of your front 7 but, so many GLARING miscues on his part. Hard to imagine him back. At all.

    On the other end of the “hard to imagine” spectrum, it’s hard to imagine Tillman as anything but a Bear but it was hard for me to imagine that for Rosey Taylor, too, back in the day.

    Henry Melton? He wasn’t impressing anybody this season BEFORE he got hurt was he? I figure his agent won’t remember that.

    Don’t forget, there IS a “floor” as to just how much guys like Peppers and Tillman can discount themselves for and it’s that veteran’s miminmum that puts a lot of guys like them on other teams or on the street.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Woot-woot did, Al. And from the DT position as I recall. Maybe HE becomes our disruptive 3-T with some protein powder inside him, and then we go Rd 1 – DE, Rd 2 -DE. In my dreams.

  • MB30SD

    watching friday night tykes on the new esquire channel.

    Crazy bastards out in texas man. Oh, and no way in hell is my son playing football until he hits high school. If that.

    • Irish Sweetness

      C’mon over to Thailand my man, and I’ll show you the Friday Night Dykes … with cocks.

      • gpldan

        It’s like Nashville with a tan!

      • MB30SD

        uhhhh… thanks! But maybe not the ladyboy thing?

        Wouldn’t mind checking it out though.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Youtube pattaya. Factor in about 5000 bars of similar … and that’s about it. A lot of bars/clubs have an anything goes policy. And I mean anything.

          I see these American strip clubs on TV where you can’t touch the girls and it’s a serious case of SMH ….. guys dropping a fortune … not to do anything. Facepalm squared.

  • MB30SD
    • burntorangenavyblue

      It’s funny how concept cars from these companies have one or two beautiful ones, and then “WHACK!” there’s just a ton of fugly ones…….I miss the Supras now, lol

    • gpldan

      I like the FT1. It looks like something out of a manga comic set in the future, like Akira.

      But what I don’t get is that Lexus is Toyota’s luxury division, and they have the LFA. So why?

  • MB30SD
  • Max

    Podlesh and Peppers gone. Need the $.

    Also the reason we keep Conte. The bears have so many holes in our roster, I don’t think they can afford to replace BOTH safety spots, (Steltz is also a free agent, who is another we should let go).

    Hester may go Tampa, but I don’t think Tillman will. Peanut is going to want a shot at the Super Bowl and Tampa is at least a year or two out from competing. Plus, Lovie has that year or two to build his own defense, I don’t think he takes a player on the downslope of his career.

    I would like both Heater and Tillman back, but Dev may be a luxury we can’t afford.

    Melton may be in that same spot… He could demand to much $$$. Regardless, we need a stud D-lineman in FA and a safety in the first round

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hester was the GOAT, but he’s not getting any faster. You see the Trindon Hollidays, the McClusters yada yada .. Hester’s legs just aren’t there any more. The extra gear is gone. The WR experiment took away a perhaps-unassailabe record for him. He hasn’t even over-taken Deion yet as I recall. They’re even, right?

      I wonder how much of Hester was Dave Toub?

      And how much of Dave Toub was pizza ….. ?

    • Shady

      Max? Is that you? Like the ORIGiNAL Max from Hawaii? Holy schnikies! Welcome back old timer!

      • gpldan

        Very old. Like seeing Gandalf the White in the woods.

        Hi Max!

      • Max

        Haha, Good to see both you and gpldan going strong!

      • Irish Sweetness

        +1 on the Farley reference.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Maybe Podlesh is good at making tea and giving massages …..? He could go out for KFC, Xbox games …

    I don’t even want Conte as a backup, the backup should be able to play when the #1 goes down. Like Todd Bell goes down (takes the year off) in goes Dave Duerson … who then becomes a pro-bowler. If Conte ever makes a pro-bowl it’s probably because the seven guys in front of him made it.

    Tillman is a must. No more Lac-gate please. We need two safeties and at least one corner (6’3 please). Bowman is a nice backup, no harm in having another.

    Henry Melton? Ten sacks in a season aside, I never felt the love. You are all aware of the caliber of defensive tackles we’ve had play for this franchise. Henry does not scream ‘great’ at me, and he’s too expensive to keep as a rotational guy, not to mention surgeries etc. We bring Pep and Melt back – even at re-structured bargain prices – then we’re not going to have much to play with elsewhere, and we’re certainly not guaranteed production, for various reasons.

    We cannot keep Pep on board – not just because of his price, but because he can’t cut it anymore. If we’re staying with 4-3 we need at least one awesome end. He is not it anymore. For my money, I’m drafting a DE and DT in the first two rounds no matter who else is available or falls to us. We need to address the main problem which is our DL. Top of last season’s wish-list was fix our O-line, and to a certain extent we did, save for the want of a long-term center. Keep Muscles, Collins, let Pep and Melton go. Sign a solid FA for the DL and draft DL 1st and 2nd. Let’s get that right first. Let’s have a line that just devastates whatever’s in front of it. Our LBs and safeties will look better even if we went with the same crew.

    So all that’s on my mind at this point is a doozy of a DL. Not looking for the ’85 line – you’d need three first round picks to re-create 3/4 of that line and even then you’d need to get very lucky and have the deepest DL draft ever. We’re not fixing this line in one off-season though IMHO – even if we drafted all DL.

  • Portugal Bears

    Cut Adam Podlesh,Chris Conte, Devin Hester, Henry Melton e Julius Peppers. Draft D. Super Bowl!

    • MB30SD

      like the simplicity… have to pretty much agree. Although, I wish the second part was that easy.

  • CanadaBear

    Pep for waaaaaaaaaaaay less money. $3-4 mil tops. If not, C-ya. Conte gone. Hester maybe for vet min but that’s all. They brought in some tiny burner to take his place. I hate writing that since I love Devin. PE was quoted saying Melt has to be more dedicated to rehabbing his knee. PE usually doesn’t play mind games so I’m guessing Melt’s not coming back unless he takes way less. Podlesh! Is that even a question? Keep Peanut but not at all costs. This also kills me because he’s my favorite Bear.

    My issue is we need to completely re-load the D and PE hasn’t drafted a stud on D in 2 years.

  • gpldan

    I don’t get Conte hate. He baited Rodgers in the 1st quarter of the game to make that endzone throw, then peeled off his assignment and made the pick. It was good work.

    The last play, the story that seems to emerge is that Briggs called Conte up. I don’t know, I have heard several things on that play.

    I think Conte stormed out of there and didn’t talk to the press because he felt his teammate fucked him and wouldn’t mea culpa. Does he take horrid angles in run stop situations? He does. He’s been drilled to play center field and let nobody get behind him, and if I had All-22 films for this entire Bears season I could make a LONG video of Conte saving the touchdown because the linebackers either gap filled incorrectly or got driven off on the block.

    That is what really really strikes you about the Niners Bowman and Willis. Lineman can’t block them. They shed and re-fill, then make the tackle.

    But I digress. I don’t think Conte should go anywhere. Paired with Clinton-Dix who is a natural strong, that would shore it up well. If Peanut has one more year with Jennings, that is a very solid secondary and Emery can address linebackers in subsequent rounds.

    • CanadaBear

      My issue with Conte is his confidence is shot. I find it hard to defend him when on that dreaded final play he had CB’s on either side of him playing man. Who did he think was behind him? Not to mention, his tackling was atrocious this year. Can’t have that at FS. Yes he got fucked by the horrible line play and shit LB play but he was at least as shitty as any of them. The last guy on D can’t take bad angles, whiff on tackles and seemingly have no awareness of where he is on the field.

      • gpldan

        Do you have some empirical evidence that his confidence is shot? How do you draw this conclusion? I think he was just pissed on that last play.

        • CanadaBear

          Didn’t you see him towards the end of the season? Slump shouldered, always looking at the ground. Classic signs a guy is lost. The coaches and teammates tried their best to pump him up but by the end they threw him under the bus. Not only that but you could tell by his body language that the fans attention was wearing on him. If he comes back he will be the new Sex Cannon. The meathead fans will be on his ass early and often. That won’t help.

          • gpldan

            Perhaps you are right. He will come to camp, he’s under contract. Be interesting to see how he looks.

        • MB30SD

          While I agree it’s with canada, I think it definitely can be pretty hard to differentiate between shot confidence… and just sucking ass.

      • SC Dave

        I am certain MB will jump my ass for saying so, but I definitely believe that GP could put together that long video of Conte making saving tackles.

        It would also be interesting to see what percentage of the whiffs were the result of him assuming someone else near the play was going to fill a gap that did not get filled. Maybe as many as half? Still too many whiffs in that case, but not as bad as people assume. Or not.

        • MB30SD

          not interested in beating you up my man.

          Here’s what I don’t get about yous and GP’s view on Conte.

          It doesn’t matter who’s gap was missed, his responsibility is last man standing run or pass… and there isn’t any excuse for the many many times he took HORRIBLE angles and missed/whiffed tackles because he was so badly out of position.

          He’s turrible as a safety. Look, I think the guy’s a very very good athlete. He’s a stud as a normal human… he just never ever played FS in his entire career. I will totally admit that he was put, or put himself, in a position to lose.

    • Johnathan Wood

      do you have access to NFL Game Rewind? Can watch all the games on All 22 film, plus can have the option to just show the plays, so you can watch an entire game in about 30 minutes.

      It’s a little steep, I think $70 for a full years’ subscription, but really a helpful tool.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Conte baited Rodgers?

      I thought it was a case of Andrew Quarless pulling a Johnny Knox and breaking off his pattern on that 1st quarter INT.

      Love to think they could bring Peanut back but I just don’t see it.

      • gpldan

        No Way, Al.

        Watch the replay from the back of the endzone camera. Conte is on his man, and stays on his man, letting Rodgers think that Quarles can run the out because Bowman is behind him.

        Conte then peels and slides under that throw – Conte never took his eyes off Rodgers but Rodgers never saw him.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Seen the replay. I think Rodgers expected Quarless to continue coming across.

  • Shawn Cicero

    pep had a down year, podlesh sucks he is great in practice only, conte who? thought so he was an old player

  • gpldan

    I’m going to gamble here a bit on this observation:

    Dion Jordan

    Ezekial Ansah

    Sheldon Richardson

    Star Louteleilei

    Sharriff Floyd

    Only Floyd can be argued to have shored up that Vikes inside Run D last year. Ansah is a beast as well, but he has so much help in there, it’s hard to see his net delta, when Fairley and Suh constantly blow shit up. Many of those guys did not appreciably affect their team D. Star was probably a 2nd or even a 3rd rounder. Star is the DT version of Chicken Dinner.

    So… if we want to look at 3-4, and we are looking at Melton to play outside and not NT in a 3-4 scheme, which – prior to his injury – he could probably play, then it makes no sense to try and get that giant NT in the draft.

    All these guys are 3-4 down lineman URFAs:

    Richard Seymour (DE in 3-4)
    Marcus Spears (DE in 3-4)
    Vaughn Martin (DE in 3-4)
    Corey Williams (NT in 3-4)
    Justin Bannan (DE in 3-4)

    There is a lot out there right now to switch to 3-4 and use the draft on Dix, another corner and linebackers and maybe a OL if a good one is on the board at the pick.

    • Johnathan Wood

      who’s your 2nd pass rushing OLB? Anderson and Briggs sure can’t fill that role, so I guess you’re putting Bostic there and hoping that pans out. I don’t like it.

      • gpldan

        Umm… I think most analysts would agree the ONLY linebacker to bring consistent pressure to the QB this year was Briggs. Briggs can damn well blitz.

        • Johnathan Wood

          So you’re gonna take a guy over 30 who has played his whole career in a 4-3 and doesn’t have great speed anymore, ask him to learn a completely new position from anything he’s ever done, and hope it pans out? No thanks.

          If they go 3-4 Briggs’ skill set fits well as an ILB. Hold up against the run, cover TEs and RBs.

          • gpldan

            Well I like Cornelius Washington out there. Not sure the deal with the guy, but he’s an athlete in that mold.

          • MB30SD

            the guy is a freak of nature… unfortunately that doesn’t always translate to a good football player. I’m looking at you tony mandrich.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Dude was more clueless than Bostic.

            But it’s rare for a DE to come in balls out. I’d be more than happy to give him another year.

          • johnnywad

            Butch, your avatar popped up in the comments under a 4 letter article link posted here. Screen name was “Hanz Downherpantz” and it damn sure sounded like you. Zatyou?

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            I haven’t posted on the 4 letter articles once they switched to FB format, but I think I know who you’re talking about actually. When I used to troll those boards, a Packer fan actually had this avatar for a long time. I bet it’s him.

            He’s actually not bad – except, yeah know, he’s a Packer fan (though who knows if that’s still him with that avatar).

          • MB30SD

            I’d love to see him and ford get some time… and wilson.

            Those three seemed like they had the ability to contribute

          • Johnathan Wood

            Again with Washington: he fell in the draft because Georgia switched to a 3-4 D before his last year there and he didn’t fit in it. They tried him at OLB but it didn’t work, and he was too small to play DE in that scheme.

            All the talk after the draft was that the Bears had gotten a steal for a 4-3 DE because Washington had been miscast in a 3-4 in college and fallen through the cracks. If they switch to a full-time 3-4, he is likely done as a Bear.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Again, isn’t Tucker being on-staff confirmation we are staying in 4-3 ?

          • Johnathan Wood

            Tucker has run 3-4 before, I believe, in Cleveland.

            Emery has said he wants a more aggressive D and guys who are scheme transcendent, which says to me he wants a kind of hybrid like what SEA and SF run.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cornelius has that closing speed from what I remember of PS …

      • Irish Sweetness

        Khaseem Greene is probably our fastest LB ….

  • BerwynBomber

    Mike Zimmer is not an exciting hire either.

    • Johnathan Wood

      I dunno, he’s done a great job in Cinci.

  • Johnathan Wood

    A lot of good questions. My take on them, in order:
    1) Bears already signed two new punters. They’re not taking 3 punters to camp. Podlesh is gone, they just haven’t started cutting anybody yet.
    2) No way in hell you’re paying Peppers $18M next year after 7.5 sacks last year and probably 8-10 games where he was a complete no show. You can cut him with a June 1 designation and save $14M this year (half his dead money rolls over to 2015 cap). That’s enough money to pay Ratliff, Wootton, Collins, and a big-time DL FA, with money left over too. So only way Peppers is back is if he takes a MASSIVE pay cut (like less than half his current $14M salary for 2014).
    3) Hester is as good as gone. They’ve got Michael Ford and Chris Williams (WR from the CFL they just signed) to battle for return spots, plus possibly Eric Weems and Earl Bennett, assuming one or both of them don’t get cut.
    4) You have to think they’re at least bringing Conte to camp. He’s an experienced veteran (about 40 career starts) with a cap hit of less than $800k next year. That combination of experience + cheap price is highly valuable. I would assume they’ll probably bring in somebody through FA or the draft to compete with him for a starting spot in camp.
    5) I would love Tillman back, but it doesn’t seem likely at this point. Guys often seem reticent to take a huge pay cut to stay with their current team (which he would have to do here), but decide it’s better off to take that pay cut elsewhere for whatever reason. Tillman does have roots down in Chicago though, so who knows. I think it’s most likely that they bring back Bowman to compete with a rookie for a starting spot.
    6) Melton is a great question that I really have no way to answer. The smartest thing for him would probably be a one-year “prove it” deal to show he’s back from his injury and can still be an explosive player. If he has a big hand in helping turn a terrible defense around next year, you’d have to think he’d be an attractive free agent in 2015. But who knows what on Earth he’s thinking. My gut says he’s probably not back, but we’ll see.

  • Trac

    This is the kind of fear Tucker needs to instill into the players that don’t perform next year. he he

    http://www.fastcocreate.com/3024885/theres-a-marauding-devil-baby-scaring-people-on-the-streets-of-new-york

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
  • gpldan

    Today’s Fun Poll:

    Clinton-Dix just went to the Titans. You are Phil Magoo.

    Do you take Taylor Lewan in a shock pick to replace Mills at RT? Mills is the weak link.

    http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2013/11/27/5150446/ohio-state-michigan-taylor-lewan-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly

    • MB30SD

      BPA at dline or safety

      • Johnathan Wood

        best D player, period. If that happens to be a LB (Mosley?) or CB (Dennard?), you grab him. They need young impact players on the defense, regardless of position.

        • MB30SD

          you weren’t around blog for the last couple years of JA jon. I like what you’ve been bringing. Smart, knowledgeable analysis and insight. Little dry, but don’t worry, leave the titty and stupid shit links to me… I have the intellect for it.

          As for pure BPA (this is broken record to the regs), I simply don’t believe in it until you have a unit without glaring critical necessary holes to patch. It just doesn’t make any sense to me.

          Now with the examples you gave, I’d agree because those are all positions that we need filling. But what happens when BPA at our pick is a left corner? Or a ILB and we’ve just picked up DJW again (and took bostic last year)?

          My point is, BPA when you have holes you HAVE to patch (DE, DT, FS for us this year), going BPA and taking another position is like your girlfriend who goes to the mall and buys her 100 $800 purse because, “But it was on 40% sale!!!!!”

          Make zero sense to me. Emery’s draft last year made 100% sense to me… here are the 4 positions that need filling in order of importance, take the highest graded guy left at each position on down the list at our spots.

          • MB30SD

            one caveat… if a super star somehow falls to us and everyone is shocked and awed since there doesn’t seem to be a material reason why… then I’m ok with it.

          • SC Dave

            This makes a lot of sense too.

            Ideally, we’ll get a vicious leviathan that vacuums offensive lineman into its voracious maw and vomits the remnants onto the exposed viscera of quarterbacks.

          • MB30SD

            sounds like a prehistoric praying mantis. I like it.

          • Johnathan Wood

            they have holes all over the defense. Some bigger than others, but there’s not a single position where you can say “we are set with starters there.”

            More importantly, going forward for the defense, they don’t have any young guys to build around. That’s why, for this specific draft, I advocate getting the best defensive player possible. They need somebody they can plug into the lineup and say “this guy can be the best player on a good defense for the next 10 years.”

            If Emery believes Mosley is far and away the best D player available at 14, then grab him. If he believes that’s a CB, grab him. If he has close grades for several players, then I give the priority to DL or S (in that order). But if one guy stands out above the rest, you take him and figure the rest out later.

          • MB30SD

            sounds like we’re on the same page here jon

          • johnnywad

            Been a while since you’ve posted any titty links. Fuckin slacker. This place is in shambles and it’s on you!.

          • MB30SD

            GP held down the fort a little. I’m back so look up. You’re welcome.

        • SC Dave

          This, and no-brainer if it’s a DT/NT. A Suh without the post-whistle personal fouls

        • Irish Sweetness

          Can’t have it Woodsy. We need a top DE/DT before anything else happens. The best safety on the planet cannot help us if the opposing QB gets 6 seconds to stand there and find a guy open. A Chris Conte can help us if the money man is flat on his back in 2.

          • Johnathan Wood

            I suspect they’ll have the DL looking better than it does right now before the draft.

  • BillW

    Responding to comments from previous thread and this:

    I get the idea of Tucker staying but I hope it’s for Trestman to avoid looking like he won’t give assistants a chance. Tucker situation different than Browns – Chud was the HEAD coach. I hold to my beleive that all Trest did was give Tucker another chance to fail, after which many will call for both of them to be gone. Nothing wrong with saying “our defense was horrible even considering the injuries and the DC is responsible.” But then again they forced the scheme on him – I get that.

    Why my presictions? Because as I’ve said to the point of nausea I’m sure – I’ve seen this movie before. Trestman doesn’t care about the defense – just like Lovie didn’t care about the offesne. Now if we had a Ryan brother or someone with that kind o fresume, that would be fine. Ditka let Buddy run the show (not that he had a choice of course.) But Tucker is no Ryan or Vince Tobin either for that matter.

    Conte has to go, period. Again, if for no other reason than to show who is in charge. Mistakes at that level can’t be excused. Call it a “public hanging” (checked twice to be sure I put the “L” in there) but there is REAL urgency here.

    Ditka cleaned out a lot of players when he came on board, including one I thought was a mistake (Len Walterscheid – he was hard working though not near Fencik/Plank/Bell/Duerson level. But Ditka was making a point – and I’m afraid Trestman is not with Conte. (Remeber guys- Trestman is supposed to be the HEAD coach, not OC. He better act like it – on all three phases.)

  • gpldan

    Come draft day, nobody is going to remember that Kiper had Johnny Football going #1 overall to the Texans.

    Because that’s very very silly.

    But, as media hype, I will tip my hat to Mad Mel. Way to keep yourself in the news.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      LegoHead mocked Johnny Football to the Texans? That’s so crazy, it might work.

      Tell you what, if the Texans want to sell out seats for the next 4 years, they’d do it.

      I, however, would LOVE to see them draft Clowney.

      Clowney and JJwatt. Who needs a QB?

      • gpldan

        The Texans have history with this, passing on State Hero Vince Young and Reggie Bush to take Mario Williams. In retrospect, the right call.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          I loved BUSH (better than Dix, right MB?) out of USC. Thought the Texans were crazy passing him up. I thought Bush was Sayers 2.0.

          For a while, it looked like the Texans did make the right call, but now, I don’t know.

          Bush has shown that he’s effective, but inj prone. But Mario Williams is almost the same but at a much higher cost.

          Still think Mario Williams is a better player, but he’s no Watt like everyone projected him to be.

          • MB30SD

            for us? I would much rather have some dix in our backfield (see how I did that) than some bush on our goalline this year.

            sucks for them that they have foster AND tate but foster can’t stay healthy. Both those guys are bad asses.

          • Ufficio

            Ha-ha!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mario had 2.5 more sacks than Watt this year, but no idea how many pressures. Watt had almost twice as many tackles as Mario though.

  • gpldan

    Mike Zimmer gets the Vikes job.

    • MB30SD

      I think that’s a solid pick. Much better than the detroit pick.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        MUCH better.

        As always, when A DC becomes HC it’s all about finding the right OC and vice versa.

        I was listening to the ESPN L.A. and they were talking about how hard it is for coaches to do that, to “reverse engineer”. Lovie was a classic example. Great D. Clueless with O.

        Billichick seems to be the only one to figure out both sides.

        Even Sean Payton had a crappy, though opportunistic D, much like that year GB won the SB.

        • MB30SD

          I was actually going to use bellicheat in my example below of why I hate pure BPA. He’s the only dude who can really do it year after year…. because somehow the fuckers always have like 3 1st rd picks.

          …but I think he might need a couple WRs and TEs this year. No BPA for him.

  • gpldan

    Brandon Hardin now a J-E-T Jet.

    (swings mic over, Cosell style)

    MB, your thoughts?

    • MB30SD

      saw that.

      Thank you GP. (taps mic a few times) This thing on?

      …The only thing perfecter would have been the raidahs.

      • gpldan

        Raider with the Glass Shoulders

        I think JD Salinger wrote that.

        • MB30SD

          see more glassshoulder?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Just a gut feeling, but I bet he’s a find for them. It’s a ten cents bet mind you at large odds …

      • MB30SD

        Irish… He hasn’t played real football in 4 years now due to severe injuries every single year. That and he’s a career corner that’s never played safety before lovie drafted him.

        Is any of this at all sounding even vaguely familiar?? Common my main maingses

  • Ososfan

    How is not having a good, credible teacher for a coach not be more important than the talent we get? Had Daryl Drake stayed coaching Alshon, he’d probably wouldn’t be as good as he was this year, matter of fact, I KNOW he wouldnt. Shit, BMarsh even credits the WR coach this year for his great production, all I’m saying is that all the great talent could probably be wasted if someone can’t teach the talent to be even better players. I really do believe that the LB coach that was fired was waaaaay over his head with learning the Tampa-2 so he really cooukdnt coach up our guys. I’m more worried about that than the talent we get at the moment, I’m going to keep repeating this until we find some guys that seem like they know what they’re doing on the D!!!

    • SC Dave

      Daryl Drake was a disaster – I have been complaining about that zero for at least three years here. Imagine if we’d had a REAL WR coach and Hester had actually learned something? Or that Earl Bennett had the benefit of someone competent instead of some P.O.S. that more than likely made him a *worse* player than he started. Just like he’d have done with Alshon – thanks goodness he did not have the chance.

      Worse than worthless. I hated that that turd was a coach for the only team I care about. Grrr…

      I’d do ten thumbs up on your post if I could.

      … oh gawd… stop Dave… can’t stop… Pep fucking Hamilton… shit, stop. Just stop Dave

      • MB30SD

        Dave, you forgot the Daryl Drake of the Defense… I’m a little shocked.

        Yours and my favorite… give it up for…. Jon Hoke!!!

        I swear, that worthless sack has pictures of Emery doing german poo porn or something. Jesus.

        • SC Dave

          I had to stop. I suspected someone might pick up the ball 🙂

          Worse of all, Hoke is still there.

        • Ososfan

          Haha, clean house with them all. Except for Tucker, dude deserves a chance to implement his own Defensive scheme at least for now until next year and then he gets re-evaluated. I’m scared of what the future holds if the talent can’t produce because they were never coached at least half-way decent…….

          • MB30SD

            we’ll see oso. I personally believe that the culture comes from the top down. The only time you’ll ever hear me complement lovie is for that. He made sure that was done correctly. Fly to the ball as an entire unit on every play, create turnovers every single chance you get, always be a cohesive unit, step up for the man next to you, pick up the fucking ball until there’s a whistle mayfuckingbe, etc… etc…

            I get tucker was handed a raw deal, but even in those situations you at least hope to see the ramshackle D have fire and spirit and fight for every possible win on every down.

            I didn’t see ANY of that with tucker. I get why they extended him, I’m just very nervous about it based on what I saw, regardless of his challenges. Culture should transcend circumstance if you ask me.

          • SC Dave

            Think of all those bad Bears teams you’ve watched over your life that *did* have that fire, at least on defense. The Fumble sticks nastily in my craw every time I think about it. The worst Bears play in my life, and there have been some bad ones.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    My take 1-6

    – Podlesh. Pa-leeze. Gone. Some 7th round mule please.
    – Pepp. Gone. Don’t even know if I’d want him for $3M like NBIT suggested. However, he does still play the run well when he wants to or his body allows him. If no one else is available in FA, then I guess at $3M I’d take him (not that he wouldn’t think he’s worth more).
    – Hester. It was nice, bro. But we got no margin for error on D. We need a CB/KR/PR. (or we ride with Ford)
    – Conte/Wright. Back-ups. Remember that stat in 2012 that showed that when they started together, the Bears had an overwhelmingly winning record and much more turnovers. Well, as it seems, it was the pass rush and not the Safeties. We can’t fix the entire D in one offseason, so I say focus on the Dline first.
    – Peanut, for 3 year deal which will really be 1-2 year. I’m just not sure how much we should pay him at CB. Whatever Ronde Barber got when he was old, we should give him (plus a little extra).
    – Melton’s agent isn’t going to care that his client went Hulk and took out 4-5 mere mortals. Hell, if I was his agent, I’d be, “Dude’s a beast! Did you see how many cops had to take him down!?” He was asking for, what, like $8M annually before the season? If we get him for about $6M, that’d be a deal, but Emery would have to believe in Melton.

    • MB30SD

      Agree with your assesment of the dline & safeties, except the turnover part which seemed to be much more about the year the peanut donkey punch went absolutely ballsout, timmy J, and briggsy. I think between those three they had like 2/3 of all turnovers (just top of memory, maybe one of you stats guys can actually look it up)

      I think we all agree though, fix the Dline and pick up a FA franchise general FS to run the troops back there

      • SC Dave

        2012
        Ints: Jennings(9), Wright(4), Tillman(3), Briggs(2), Conte(2), Moore (2), Urlacher(1), Hayden(1)

        FF: Tillman(10), Briggs, Urlacher, Melton, Wooten (2 each), Wright, Roach, Peppers, Idonije, Okoye, Steltz (1 each)

        So, those three had 23 of the 48 or very nearly half.

        • MB30SD

          thank you sir.

          Me exaggerate? Nooooo.

          (but still a damn impressive statline for them) Peanut’s 10 FF is just silliness maings. Also forgot lach was on that squad, seems like so long ago already

          • SC Dave

            22(!) out of the cornerbacks… crazy

          • MB30SD

            timmy’s 9 picks was ridiculous as well.

            Any stats on the breakdown of pick-6s? I know we had a ridiculous amount.

          • MB30SD

            insanity.

            yes, I like to… often.

            Unfortunately, until I see it, I’m not at all convinced tucker is the man to return us to defensive glory.

        • NewBearInTown

          Tillman had more than 40% of the team’s forced fumbles. That’s crazy.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          Haha you guys are awesome. That’s one of the reasons I love this blog. All kinds Scouts, Statisticians, Historians, Cap gurus, Personnel mavens, etc…

    • Trac

      The problem with keeping Peppers at any price is that the young bucks will look at him to measure their game. Not a good example the way he’s been playing. Emery needs to blow the defense up and start drafting aggressive go getters.

      • NewBearInTown

        There is something to what you’re saying. Cutting Peppers, possibly letting Tillman go, letting guys like Wright and James Anderson walk without new contracts… that sends a clear message that last year wasn’t good enough and poor play means someone else will come in and eat your lunch.
        But you have to be careful that you don’t throw away good talent just to send a message.

        • Trac

          That’s the first thing Ditka did when he came to town. A coach has to take control of his team. I know that’s not kosher in the day where every kid gets a trophy for waking up in the morning. Well, you get the picture, Ditka and “Trophy” do go together. he he

  • MB30SD
    • AlbertInTucson

      Sonny Bono, Natasha Richardson, some Kennedy relative.

      Who knew skiing was so fatal?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Trying to dodge trees at high speed with no protective gear. Shocked.

  • MB30SD

    BAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    OMG, shady…. OMG…

    http://deadspin.com/comcast-sportsnet-airs-our-version-of-cubs-mascot-with-1501633812

    • Shady

      WHOOPS! hahaha

      • MB30SD

        so bad. That editor got fired. wow.

  • MB30SD

    hockey is brutal

  • MB30SD

    this is for Johnny

    I would actually buy that painting… if she took that top off and rubbed her incredible breasts all over it… in my room.

    • SC Dave

      Ridiculous how tits substitute for talent. NTTAWWT.

      • MB30SD

        my friends always joke that a 6 is an 8 to me if she’s got perfect DDs.

        Guilty. As. Charged.

    • Irish Sweetness

      They are some fabulous tits. But you’d have to listen to her – that’s a one-time only deal right there. That’s just for the wank bank.

      • MB30SD

        It would be at least a month before the vacuous conversation overtook the fabulous tits… at least for me. Especially if she’s a naughty girl

  • MB30SD

    What…. in…. thee…. fuck!?!?!

    Holy crap.

  • NewBearInTown

    Caldwell to the Lions does not concern me at all. Zimmer to the Vikings? That concerns me. And he’s got a ton of respect around the league, so he’ll attract a first rate offensive coordinator too. If they can get a quarterback settled in, the Vikings will be good the next few years.
    Hopefully we’ll be better.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Samurai to the Bears as LB coach? Yes please. Fire. Accountability.

  • NewBearInTown

    This is an interesting mock. http://walterfootball.com/draft2014.php
    If the Bears land at #14 with the top three DEs off the board (Clowney, Mack, Barr) and top safety off the board, they could be looking at their choice of the #1 defensive tackle or the #1 cornerback. Which direction do you go at that point assuming both players have comparable risk and upside? This mock has us going CB with Darquezz Denard. An interesting choice, who I know nothing about. I suspect the regs here would have gone with a DT instead…
    Incidentally I think the mock falls apart because it gives too many picks to WRs. Somebody will trade up to get the top cornerback in the top 12.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Zimmer worries me a bit too. Haven’t checked out his entire resume, but the league definitely respects him. Only issue with him like I stated before – no one knows how he’s going to run an offense, and that’s sort of important considering the Vikes got no QB and aren’t exactly sitting pretty to draft one.

      • MB30SD

        Hey $…

        Fuck the vikings.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Responding to this one, DE, DT would be my first choice.

      Where we’re at, only a safety of the caliber of Berry or Earl Thomas would be worth that high a pick, and I don’t think there’s that type of safety in this class.

      I actually don’t think we’re in too bad of shape at CB.

      Jennings is a stud. Bowman played solid. Freyman didn’t do too shabby for his first year. Not to mention that we might still have Hayden.

      In our system, CB’s just need to be functional. and if we re-sign peanut, I don’t see us drafting a CB until very late if at all (a returner type).

      • tobijohn

        But will the system actually stay the same? I guess Mel will have some input in this draft if he’s tasked with implementing his own D…

    • Irish Sweetness

      Let’s have a blog-wide agreement. No mocks. no plum-head having us drafting Right Guards in round one, linebackers … hookers …

      • MB30SD

        How about a tighhead?

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Tillman will not resign. He is to smart to finish his career in a Tucker led Defense.

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