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2014 NFL Draft – Day Three Thread

| May 10th, 2014

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The amicable Augsburger and vivacious Vandermoon are competing for a pair of tickets to a Chicago Bears game this coming season. The reminder of the rule submission for this final draft day is after the break.

Note on the draft. The Bears brought nine defensive linemen into the 2013 season; four tackles and five ends. Right now you can essentially guarantee Jared Allen, Willie Young, Lamarr Houston, Nate Collins, Jay Ratliff, Ego Ferguson and Will Sutton are on that roster. (If you also include Izzy, we’re already at eight.) So…the Bears defensive front will have a significantly different look in 2014. Let’s hope Emery’s touch is as good on that side of the ball.

Names to watch today: Wisconsin running back James White, Princeton DT Caraun Reid, USC S Dion Bailey.

I shall have a full draft wrap-up on Sunday.

ROUNDS FOUR THRU SIX

(The Bears currently have two sixth round picks and no seventh.)

You guess the four positions you believe the Bears will select in rounds four through six. Those selections will be scored as followed:

4 pts – Fourth round

3 pts – Fifth round

2 pts – Sixth round, selection one

1 pt – Sixth round, selection two

Submission Example:

CONTEST: RB, DE, G, DT (I will take them in order.)

SELECTIONS ARE DUE BY 11:00 AM CT SATURDAY MORNING. NO LATE SELECTIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED.

THE TIEBREAKERS

Since this is an unsponsored contest, we won’t be giving away multiple sets of tickets. The following are the tiebreakers:

Tiebreaker 1: Most players guessed correctly from rounds 2-3. (Remember to submit players for rounds 2 and 3 even though you will only be judged on positions.)

Tiebreaker 2: 4th round position.

Tiebreaker 3: 5th round position.

Tiebreaker 4: 6th round, first pick position.

Tiebreaker 5: 6th round, second pick position.

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  • SC Dave

    Interesting day yesterday to be sure. Curious they went with two DT, but I’m okay with it. The line isthe foundation for everything.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      I think Phil stuck rigidly to his board in the first and then in the 2nd and 3rd just drafted for need. Was Ego Ferguson really higher than Kony Ealy on his board? Sutton? I thought Ealy was generally considered the #2 DE in a 4-3 of this draft? Has he been rollin’ himself some fatties?

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        He signed 3 DE in FA. He wasn’t going to draft there.

        • actually 6 DE. Idonije, Austen, and Scott. 1 of those 3 will be the 4th DE (unless Bass and/or Washington really impresses)

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I know. But I’m talking about the 3 that are going to be there at 100%… Houston-Allen-Young. the others will fight for spot/spots.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            No game-changers. Ealy and Sutton is nicer than Ego/Sutton, for depth.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

          Allen goes down. Where’s your rush?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I’m super fine with Houston-Young. Houston is big time.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      It is obvious for me he wanted 1 Cb, 1 S and 1 DT in the first 2 days. With no S there to be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round he went DT twice. 5 S were drafted before his 2nd round pick and 6 were drafted before his 3rd rounder. I guess this means he could double dip at S today. He’ll get the highest S on his board in round 4 and another one later.

      My prediction: Round 4 S, round 5 RB, round 6 S + WR, Round 7 Punter.

      • tobijohn

        I don’t think we have a 7 pick this year…

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          We don’t ? Mah… we will draft down then and acquire one. Draft a Punter.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            We have the 31st in the 7th off the broncos.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            Still two in the 6th.

          • Max

            …. You may deserve to win the Bears tickets for the punter call right there.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I’ve been a fucking assassin this year. Had a WR instead of a QB and 2 S instead of 2 DT. Give me the tickets. I want them on the West Coast of the USA. Don’t want to travel long distances.

      • MB30SD

        agree.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    The most important half out of the way and we’ve done well.

    Now : McGill (he’s 6’3?) / Bullough / Martavis – a 6’4 4.34 dude is good to get in the fourth.

    Rd 5 – that Telvin Whatshisname 6-3 213lb LB to play at safety. Yes it’s a project, god forbid there ever be work done on a player in the NFL.

    R6 6 + 6 : TE and OT, or TE and RB (Ka’Deem Carey would be a steal in the 6th.)

    • MB30SD

      rd 5. yes, it rarely works out well. not worth it. take BPA in 4-7 mate.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    Most interesting so far is Cleveland not rapidly drafting two receivers. Martavis would be great for them tomorrow. But I feel if we draft McGill then our defensive roster is burgeoning, with just safety to develop moving forward. Angelo left us Pompeii in ashes, but a new Rome is being built instead.

    • MB30SD

      agree irish… especially the last part

    • DE is a future need, but not something to worry about this draft IMO. Maybe next year, to give a guy a year under Allen

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        DE and Safeties next year. 3rd round RB. Superbowl.

        • they have 3 RB under contract for next year already, including a 4th rounder this year and a guy who was one of top 5 RB in NFL last year.

  • Big Mike

    My thoughts. Since the start if free agency, Emery did not like the safeties at the top of the draft, and probably anywhere in the draft. Hence the moves to get Mundy and the ex-Packer (hate them so much I’m brain locked on remembering that dudes name). He was sold on our LB group. Still need depth. My bet in the 4th is a LB. Clearly, he was set on rebuilding the d-line. He wanted big ones, short ones, tall ones, fat ones old ones and young ones.

    Not a splashy draft but it looks productive. I really am curious about the thought process behind Ferguson.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      For me the ‘plan’ was Fuller-Buchannon-Ferguson(Sutton).

      • MB30SD

        agree with this 100% Barb – you are good sir.

        Wish it had panned out and there wasn’t that run on safeties in the 1st. I think he would have moved up to get buchannon using our 4th and 6th (or something from next year).

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Yeap.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        My hope was to skip up above Pittsburgh and get Tuitt. I’d rather have Tuitt than the two tackles we got, Pryor – CB – Sutton/Nix/Ferguson would be more helpful, we’ll see how the DBs play going forward. Not sure he shouldn’t have done more to help the safety position. He can’t seriously think Conte is a turd that can be polished into a diamond? It seems so.

    • SC Dave

      I think it’s partially about perceived upside. But more about being big. Emery said long ago he wants big men.

      My opinion is that he has also been seeking some level of ‘nasty’ at the line of scrimmage. He did it last year with Slauson and Long on the offensive side, and I think Ferguson is envisioned to bring the same to the defense.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        Nix would have brung the nasty. WTF happened there? We could have drafted Nix AND Sutton. All your christmases and hannukahs come at once, nay? Put that on rotation with everyone else and you wear down any OL.

        • SC Dave

          Obviously, they think Ferguson is better than Nix.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      But wouldn’t you prefer Pryor and SJB over Conte and Fuller st nickel?

      Oh wait …. it’s NFL draft fagwatch right now …. NTTAWWT.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        “Cue gay segment !”

      • Big Mike

        Not at the expense of what we gained. Don’t see the humor in your other comment

    • 505 Bears

      Big ol dude with no big injuries. Those big guys just need to be big and let our LBs clean up.

  • Austin Augsburger

    Contest:
    4th – rb
    5th – rb
    6th – S
    6th – WR

  • MB30SD

    Contest:
    4 – S/CB
    5 – S/CB
    6 – RB & QB

  • gpldan on DRAFT DAY

    I’ve said for years the way Vainisi built on Finks was from the inside out. Bortz, Hilgenberger, Covert. Mongo, Dent, etc. You build from the inside out. When your foundation is rotten (Landon Cohen = rotten) you rebuild.

    Let’s see how Melton fares for the Vikes, if his legs are back or he has anything left. That is another key way to evaluate the job Emery has done here so far. Also, don’t discount the degree of influence Mel Tucker had in the draft room.

    Emery said the tape of the Ole Miss, Auburn and Bama games, Ego basically made it impossible to run on the Tigers. Let’s see if that converts to the Pros, because the tape on Flatbread was that he was flatbread again.

    I go safeties and even a mike here. We also need a kick returner, little burner.

    • Melton is on the Cowboys. Wootton is on the Vikes.

      • gpldan on DRAFT DAY

        Sorry. Mixed them up. Both should be looked at this year to score Emery’s decision making.

        • Trac

          Yup. Tucker and him own this D now. Indisputable fact.

      • Data.

    • Viva

      Well said.

      Cohen = done.

  • Viva

    4 – S
    5 – S
    6 – RB (short yardage variety)

    6 – AJ McCarron

  • gpldan on DRAFT DAY

    This is the Cards secondary in the Nickel

    CBs: Cromartie, Peterson
    N: Tyrann Matheiu
    S: Deone Bucannon, Rashad Johnson

    I guess they still suck if they can’t rush the passer but that is a lock-down secondary.

    • They CAN rush the passer. Only team to beat SEA in SEA in two years.
      That’s a knock-down division. I don’t know how it became so tough in such a short time. I guess having early round picks for a decade helps.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      Oh they have a good DL. Their D is solid and kicks ass.

  • gpldan on DRAFT DAY

    The Eagles are taking Dion Bailey with the first pick in Rnd 3. But I agree with Jeff, that would have been solid replacement for Pringles.

    • Viva

      Rnd 4. You need to fire your proofreader…

      • gpldan on DRAFT DAY

        Too much to drink.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      Telvin Whatshisface, the LB, he’s a project for SS in the 6th. 6’3 213. Can I get a witness?

  • Dang, late to the party, but see my handle.

    • Viva

      Nice

  • Viva

    Is there a guy talented enough to move up for here, Data?

  • AJ McCarron rubs ppl the wrong way, has a hot GF with a reality show…perfect understudy for Cutler.

    • Viva

      I’d like to hump her.

      • We get McCarron, Hard Knocks will almost be guaranteed for the Bears. How many other teams will have two GFs/Wife who are hot and reality tv stars. HBO knows what sells.

        • Viva

          I’d like to hump them.

          • If I had to choose, AJ McCarron’s gal. Brunnette. Boobs.

          • Viva

            southern accent…

          • tobijohn

            Her breasts are suspect…

          • Fake? upon further consideration…I’d still bang her, but complain about it.

          • tobijohn

            I believe so. It’s a real turnoff for me. MB claims if it’s a quality job, you can’t tell the difference. Unfortunately, my experience seems to have only been with the budget shoppers. I’ll gladly spot a girl 5-10 lbs if they’re natural Ds (I can’t believe how crude and superficial I am)…

          • pig. I’m the same way, more or less. Oink oink.

          • IBNO

            BS on “can’t tell the difference.” Even when they’re saline & have done the “pump ’em up and then remove 10CC to give them a natural sag” routine, you can tell. They feel SO different. Silicone are like racquetballs encased in flesh. And let’s not forget the scars. Unless they were saline, put in under the armpit and pumped up, you get obvious scars (see: Beauchamp, Bianca) either around the areolae or under the jug. And even under the armpit, you get noticeable scarring.

            All that said, the feel doesn’t matter. What matters is nipple sensation. You lose that, it doesn’t matter how pretty they are. One woman I.. “dated” who had implants experienced a dramatic INCREASE in sensation. She enjoyed the hell out of that (and so did I). Another I… “dated” had her nipples pretty much become numb. No fun there.

            They’re called funbags for a reason. Lose the sensation, they’re just hard pillows, no matter how good they look.

            And they ALWAYS feel fake. But who gives a shit about how they feel when they LOOK good?

          • I’m going to save this for MB. Expect a retort in the form of a manifesto from him soon.

          • JimmyMac

            excellent replys!

        • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

          I’d love it – Hard Knocks on what is essentially our ’84 season. The calm before the storm.

          COME ON !

  • Damn. Fucking RAMS! I had an eye at S Mo Alexander.

  • Noooooo!!! My boy Andre Williams. He runs angry and is poet! A warrior-poet, like Braveheart. FUCK. He would have been a perfect complement to Forte.

    • Shady

      But he can’t catch… No thanks.

      • That’s why we got Forte, the best catching HB. Hence “complement”.

        • Shady

          Trestman doesn’t have time for backs who can’t catch… He also doesn’t have time to bleed.

  • Skov, Bullough ILBs
    Seastrunk, White at HB? D’anthony Thomas is Jeff’s boy.
    Vereen and Dowling at S.

  • tobijohn

    FWIW, I’ve just eaten a dozen glazed donuts waiting for the Bears fourth pick. If there are typos, it’s because some of the keys are now sugar coated

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    are we going Martavis Bryant to make our average WR height 6’4?

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      He’d be a great pick. Insurance on your wideouts. Depth.

  • FQD1911

    One pick away ladies and gents…Pierre Desir if OAK doesn’t get him?

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      i see oakland going with bryant

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        and …. i’m wrong

        • FQD1911

          hahaha

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    nameless faceless white LB or safety coming up!!

  • Shady

    Still need to get better on 3rd and short… Mauling lineman? Bruising RB? Monster TE?

    • FQD1911

      wouldn’t mind an RB here, to be honest. Michael Bush…glad that era is done.

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    taking too much time, we’re going mccarron

    • Shady

      Pick is in…

  • Shady

    Ka’Deem Carey! RB Arizona!

  • FQD1911

    Ka’Deem Carey….nice.

  • Shady

    Someone get the tape…

    Had a storied Arizona prep career, rushing for nearly 4,500 yards and 71 touchdowns during his final two high school seasons. Played in 11 games for Arizona as a true freshman in 2011 and rushed 91 times for 425 yards (4.7-yard average) and six touchdowns with 15 receptions for 203 yards (13.5) and two touchdowns. Also returned 26 kickoffs for 549 yards (21.1). Missed the season finale against Louisiana-Lafayette after suffering a concussion during practice. Moved into the starting lineup in ’12 and led FBS in rushing yards (1,929) and rushing yards per game (148.4), amassing 303-1,929-23 (6.4) on the ground and 36-303-1 (8.4) receiving. Started all 13 games, setting a school single-season rushing mark. In a five-touchdown performance Nov. 10 against Colorado, he rushed for 366 yards to set the Pac-12 and UA single-game rushing records. Had a pair of run-ins with the law following the season. In December, he was charged with misdemeanor assault and disorderly conduct stemming from a domestic violence incident with his then-pregnant ex-girlfriend (the charges were later dropped). In January ’13, he was kicked out of a UCLA-UA basketball game at McKale Center following an altercation with a campus security officer. As a result, he was suspended for the ’13 season-opener and did not start the second game. Once he returned to the playing field, he appeared in 12 games (11 starts) and piled up 349-1,885-19 (5.4) rushing and 26-173-1 (6.7) receiving. Surpassed 100 yards rushing in all 12 contests, extending his overall streak to 16 games — the longest streak in Pac-12 history. Had a pair of four-touchdown games, including a 48-206-4 effort vs. Oregon. Was a consensus All-America selection for the second straight year and concluded his Arizona career as the school’s all-time leader in rushing yards (4,239), rushing touchdowns (48) and all-purpose yards (5,483).

    STRENGTHS Outstanding two-year production — piled up 3,814 yards and 42 touchdowns on the ground from 2012-13, ranking among the nation’s most prolific. Terrific compete level and determination — runs with energy, doesn’t go down easily and punctuates runs. Tries to punish tacklers and keeps his legs pumping — grinds out yards after contact. Good feet, acceleration and lateral agility. Spins off contact. Reliable shot receiver. Gets upfield with urgency after the catch and has enough shiftiness to create. Willing to throw a shoulder blow into rushers. Can handle a heavy workload — averaged 26 carries per game the last two seasons.

    WEAKNESSES Lacks ideal size and has a narrow, high-cut build with a lean lower body. Upright running style exposes his body to some direct hits and durability could be an issue. Does not string moves together and does not have elite breakaway speed. Average wiggle and elusiveness (cuts off his heels). Faced light boxes in a spread, zone-read offense. Had nearly 850 touches in college and body has already endured a lot of punishment. Has been removed from some team boards for off-the-field transgressions/suspensions. Must prove committed.

    Rounds 3-4

    BOTTOM LINE Highly productive, hard-charging slasher who runs more competitively than he does powerfully and picks up yardage in chunks. Has some first-round traits and is one of the most instinctive runners in this year’s draft class, though his stock could be affected by off-the-field troubles and an average combine showing.

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    Pit takes Bryant within seconds after our pick as if they couldn’t believe he was still there….

  • FQD1911

    very happy with this draft so far…now, hopefully we can find a valuable safety in the 5th.

  • Carey. Meh. Avg size (5’10 200). bad speed (4.7). Not exactly a pass catcher or blocker. Some off field issues.
    One of those guys “Coach you need a 1 yard, I’ll get you 3. Coach, you need 5 yards, I’ll get you 3”

    • At least it wasn’t D’anthony Thomas.
      Really wanted Williams. This draft is frustrating. Beginning with being a pick away from Aaron Donald, though we did address some needs.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      He scored 42 rushing touchdowns in two seasons. That’s like … good.

      • As long as the endzone is 3 yards away.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

          That’s the hardest three yards to run looking at the Bears’ offense recently.

  • Shady
  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I had the big, durable work horse RB in the 5 round. Emery got him in the 4th. Emery has a plan and is putting him in motion. Everything is going according to the plan. I love it. Everything is fantastic. Everything except for the S position. Guys…we are fucked at S big time. It’s a gangbang. It’s tears time.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      it’s getting old

    • Big Mike

      Mundy and the guy Jennings from GB will have to do. It will be our weakness.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      If we were set with PB safeties we’d be the dominant team in the NFL. Be happy with what we’re building guys. In Emery we trust and he’s helping the team here. Developing safety and DE is the focus of next season. Superbowl season.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      Desir would have been nice. Can’t have it all.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I guess the Bears do bank on a decent year from Wilson as a 3rd WR. Never had any doubt.

    • For sure. They pretty much gave Earl the boot to make room for Wilson.

      • Josh Morgan is pretty much the same player as Earl Bennett in terms of average yearly productivity.

        Domenik Hixon also a capable WR4, IMO, and Chris Williams is a wild card.

        Also a LOT of good WRs in the draft, some of them will go undrafted. Would not be shocked to see a UDFA WR push for a roster spot.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

          Chris Williams is a speedy slippery little MOFO.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        Tolliver has to beat out the manchild .. unless he’s on crack.

    • Bender McLugh

      Very much looking forward to seeing more snaps for this kid

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        He did have a lot of snaps this year.

  • Another pick I love. Guy I trust a lot has had Carey as his top RB in the draft for months.

    • Hope he’s right. He looks avg at everything to me. Not a blazer. Not a bruiser. Not a route runner. Not a hip-buster. Not small-not big.
      He looks to be reliable with vision and toughness. Doesn’t fumble I don’t think. Just a guy to spell Forte. But hopefully he becomes something more.

      • he fits the scheme. Like Forte, does everything well. Can catch passes. Might not do anything great, but all-around backs are exactly what you want for this offense.

        • But Forte’s tape had long runs. He ran great routes. He is big.
          This guy seems better in short yardage situations though. Seems to have a nose for the endzone and 1st yd marker.

          • he’ll definitely be the short-yardage/goal-line guy at the very least. So he’s Michael Bush for <20% the cost in that role. No more overpriced vet backups.

            But he's also enough of an all-around back to do more than that, IMO.

          • but yeah, he’s not a burner who’s gonna bust long runs. Still a good solid all-around player.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            42.

          • He’s reliable. I just like some upside for my HBs. Ford excites me more than him.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            As a runner, I agree. Ford might score 43 TDs.

            I’ll get slack for this but fukkit. It was only a couple of plays in pre-season …. but he reminded me a little of Walter.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            This. And 42 TDs in 2 seasons.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        42 RUSHING TDs IN TWO SEASONS !!!!

  • If we can get Boyd and Skov, that would be awesome.

    • I’m hoping Aaron Murray in rd 5 right now.

      • You think Skov will make it to us in the 6th round?

        • I dunno. Both FSU LBs and Yawin Smallwood still on the board too.

          I could see Smallwood if they go LB. He has the connection with Pasqualoni.

          • also, I still love Jordan Tripp, who’s on the board. Lotta LB falling. Might some of them fall to round 6? Who knows.

            3 picks left, I think they’ll go on some combo of QB/WR/LB/S. 3 of those 4. Unless they grab a P round 6, which is always a possibility I guess.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        Gah! Telvin my LB-SS is gone.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    There you go, baby. We’re in business. We just got our strating FS. Emery is beasting this shit up. Boss. Da Bearsss.

  • Andre Williams…a Schiano type man lol

  • Shady

    Brock Vereen, the poor mans Eric Berry. The very, very poor mans Eric Berry.

    • tobijohn

      Ha!

    • I thought he might be on the short list. For once, Emery went by the board. Must have pained him to be conventional.

      • Shady

        Good genes, bloodlines.

  • Big Mike

    Terms of Bears-Denver trade: Bears get No. 131 (used on Vereen) &
    No. 246 (7th round). Broncos get Bears’ 5th rounder in 2014 & 2015.

    • tobijohn

      What do you think that’s about? Rarely do these low round guys make a difference. I’m like, what’s the point?

      • Big Mike

        Jordan Mills was a 5th rounder.. What it tells me is they liked this guy enough to move up and get him.

        • Big Mike

          But not enough to take him where they took the RB in the 4th. They were probably didn’t think he’d be there and when he was they moved up to get him.

        • tobijohn

          True enough, I was just thinking of the historical percentages

        • MIlls, Frey, Wilson all 5th round or later under Emery in the last 2 years.

          • tobijohn

            Wilson though would have gone a lot higher but for that thing with his HC…

          • Exactly. Emery’s been pretty gold with his 5ths. Not sure if I would have given them up.

          • he’s only had one 5th so far… Mills. Traded 5th in Jeffery deal in 2012.

            Frey was a 6th (other 6th Washington), Wilson a 7th (McCoy other 7th).

          • I thought Frey was a 5th. Yeah, still.
            Mills and part of Bmarsh trade, not shabby for 5ths. Let’s hope these 5ths impact just as much.

          • part of Alshon trade.

    • Wow, we gave up two 5ths? seems a bit steep.

    • Bears must still have a bunch of guys they really like still on the board. A part of me agrees. Skov, Boyd, etc are still out there.

      • great deep draft. still 3 picks left now.

        • It is, but next year will be ‘deepest class in 10 years’ . they say that every draft, watch.

          • this year had a specific reason: over 100 underclassmen declared, which is an extra round of talent over last year (which had a record-setting 65).

            Sooner or later that levels off (or drops back down a little bit), so the depth levels off or decreases

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      it’s normal stuff. 2 round 5 picks for a 4 round and a 7 round (he’ll use this for a Punter)

  • Vereen.

    “Team leader and quick learner, taking well to coaching. Good starting
    experience (36 career starts) with significant playing time at
    cornerback, nickelback and free safety ? also saw time on special teams
    coverage. NFL bloodlines as the younger brother of the Patriots 2011 2nd
    round pick running back Shane Vereen ? his father played receiver at
    UNLV and was a 9th round pick of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 1979
    NFL Draft.”

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737766/brock-vereen

    • Total Emery guy. Versatile. Bloodlines. Intangibles. Specials.

  • Vereen is one of those converted CBs, but played S last few years of college. Highly athletic for a S, but most likely ST this year IMO.

    • At this stage, they’re pretty much all converted CBs (see handle). Beggars can’t be choosers I suppose. He seems better than those other prospects who can’t tackle and are soft.

  • Big Mike

    Strengths Weaknesses
    STRENGTHS: Good-sized athlete with balance, play speed and
    transitional quickness. Better than expected functional strength and
    works hard to disengage blocks and be a factor in the play. Uses the
    sideline to his advantage with very good field awareness. Quickly
    identifies his keys and diagnoses in a flash. High football IQ with good
    smarts on and off the field. High effort player and won?t fall asleep
    at the wheel. Already carries himself like a professional. Tough and
    competitive in nature, getting the most out of his ability. Team leader
    and quick learner, taking well to coaching. Good starting experience (36
    career starts) with significant playing time at cornerback, nickelback
    and free safety ? also saw time on special teams coverage. NFL
    bloodlines as the younger brother of the Patriots 2011 2nd round pick
    running back Shane Vereen ? his father played receiver at UNLV and was a
    9th round pick of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 1979 NFL Draft.

    WEAKNESSES:
    Ordinary build and muscle tone with shorter-than-ideal arms. Lacks
    suddenness and will think too much at times, inhibiting his
    click-and-close ability. Room to improve his anticipation and eye
    discipline to better locate and get his hands on the ball. Only four
    career interceptions and needs to be more consistent with the ball in
    his area. Needs to wrap on tackle attempts and be a more consistent
    finisher. Fundamentals have room for improvement, playing too high and
    opening his hips too early. Limited experience as a blitzer and wasn?t
    as consistent when asked to jam or play near the line of scrimmage. Some
    minor durability issues over his career, but nothing major.

    –Dane Brugler

    Player Overview
    A three-star cornerback recruit, Vereen, who graduate with a 4.4 high
    school GPA, had an offer from in-state Stanford, but decided to move
    east and enroll at Minnesota. He was a role player in 2010 as a true
    freshman before becoming a full-time starting cornerback in 2011,
    recording career-highs in tackles (67) and tackles for loss (3.5).
    Vereen moved to free safety in 2012 and started seven games and began
    his senior season there in 2013 before moving back to cornerback for the
    final seven games, earning First Team All-Big Ten honors. He is an
    athletic, quick-footed player and is looking to become the third member
    of his family to be drafted to the NFL, following his older brother and
    father. Vereen is instinctive with a clear understanding of the game and
    knows how to manipulate the field. He is a high character player on and
    off the field with a strong work ethic and leadership traits.
    Passionate team-first player. Vereen doesn?t shine in any one area, but
    does enough to warrant a roster spot at nickelback and will be the type
    of player that coaches will embrace due to the intangibles and
    versatility.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I love what I’m hearing about this S. His brother is the RB from New England. His father was a player. Has decent physical skills, but has smarts. Perfect for the FS role. Bring it on… we just have a starting FS. Me happy…no tears anymore for this Bear. Go Emery go !!!

    • Big Mike

      He is listed as a Strong Safety

      • but he’s a converted CB.

        Either way, Emery has said he likes interchangeable S (which is exactly what Mundy is)

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          smart players that can do different stuff is what Emery wanter in this draft. He did just that.

          • Big Mike

            4,4 GPA in HS had an offer to play at Stanford

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            When the nickel or the dime is out there, I don’t think with all the bodies moving around that there are CBs or FSs or SSs anymore – they’re just DBs. Guys who can do it all? Draftem.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I read that he is not a beast in tackling… Has tiny hands, short arms and lacks overall bulk. Does not have ideal length to match up with NFL tight ends in coverage. Not an explosive hitter or forceful tackler…. But he had the ‘second short shuttle among safeties’ and ‘ Very good athlete with fluid movement skills and good range. Competes hard. Runs the alley and can negotiate traffic. Good zone awareness and route recognition. Understands angles and leverage.Good leaping ability. Very smart, motivated, team player with a passion for the game. Can line up the defense.”. That’s a prototypical FS for my tastes.

        • tobijohn

          Yes but his GF has natural breasts…

        • Big Mike

          CBS Sports must have ahd it wrong. Everything else shows him as a FS. Converted Corner etc.

  • Hopefully we can trade some mid tier guy (Paea?) for a 5th sometime before next season.

  • Big Mike

    Let me emphasize. On Vereen. The anti-conte

    “high football IQ with good smarts on and off the field. High effort player and won’t fall asleep
    at the wheel.”

    • tobijohn

      Whose quote is that?

      • Vereen’s (j/K)

        • tobijohn

          Ha!

      • tobijohn

        Never mind, Mike. I just saw your previous post on him

      • Big Mike

        It is in the CBS Sports Profile of the Player. I called him the Anti-Conti

  • FQD1911

    Shane Vereen’s little brother…what did the Broncos get in the trade?

    • Big Mike

      Terms of Bears-Denver trade: Bears get No. 131 (used on Vereen) &
      No. 246 (7th round). Broncos get Bears’ 5th rounder in 2014 & 2015.

      • FQD1911

        hmmm….we’ll see how that pans out, but it looks like the expect Brock to come in and immediately produce, whether it be in specials or at FS.

  • 10 bucks says Emery will say he had a 3rd round grade on Vereen.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      he didn’t because if he did he would have drafted him in the 3rd round… first 4th rounder max. He did want him badly if he traded up so many spots. He sounds like a decent pick.

      • Not if he had Ego with a 2nd round grade, and Sutton with an early 3rd round grade. See, Emery’s slick.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          The need for S was off the charts. You don’t double dip at DT and risk losing your 3rd round S. Plus… he picked RB with the 4 rounder.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            we double-dipped at DT so it didn’t matter who was playing safety :o)

  • Interesting. Nawrocki (whom I tend to trust) at NFL.com graded

    Ward, 5.4
    Vereen, 5.3

    That’s not much of a difference at all. I’ll have to check Mayock’s board again. Mayock sucks with QBs, but he’s pretty dead on about the secondary. He rated Fuller as the top Cb, and was one of the few who thought Earl Thomas the best S in that class.

    • Big Mike

      Combine Result- Vereen
      All ranked as “top Performer” level grade
      40 YD – 4.47 – 2nd among Free Safeties
      25 reps at 225 -1st among FS
      6.9 cone drill – 2nd – FS
      20 YD shuttle -4.07 2nd – FS

  • Big Mike

    Guys combne #s’ are impressive.

    Combine Result- Vereen
    All ranked as “top Performer” level grade
    40 YD – 4.47 – 2nd among Free Safeties
    25 reps at 225 -1st among FS
    6.9 cone drill – 2nd – FS
    20 YD shuttle -4.07 2nd – FS

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      that’s what I’m saying. No injuries, versatile, great numbers, great IQ and blood lines in the sport. He does not have great physical traits, but it sounds like a fantastic pick at S for not only a third day pick, but a second day pick. Emery fan right here.

      • Big Mike

        The knock on him is small hands, short arms and only one INT his senior year. Truth be told, if our FS can simply not fall down and covers guys, I don’t need a lot of picks.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Yes. Minor stuff these. And that can improve… Jennings did it at 26 years old. Just be smart, quick and constant.

          • Big Mike

            Can’t get bigger hands. 🙂 just saying. Love the oick

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            what does small hands mean… he’s a defender, not a WR.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        Plus the RB, I like the draft. The Raiders are killing it. Ellis and McGill.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        Calvin Pryor – Stanley Jean-baptiste 6’3 213 CB – Sutton

        Conte + Fuller at nickel …. or Pryor + SJB …. ?

        Emery went with option A, Surely B is better.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          he drafted a FS so…

          • Irish Sweetness

            Over the next few pro bowls look out for Vereen and Pryor.

            Ironically it may be Conte in the PB if this front 7 takes off (in which case we should trade him lickity split).

  • Big Mike

    4.4 GPA in HS. Offer to play at Stnford and has cold weather experience at MN

    • If Vereen can actually play football, he could be the future leader of our D. MB should like this guy, though he’s not a hitter or ball-hawk.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I love Mery’s picks today, as I did those yesterday. I’m not tanking about the actual players (I’ve never seen them play). I love the strategy of his draft. The S in the 4th round is strange, but the S he did take looks like a possible starter. he looks so good I wonder why he lasted until this point ??? Do you guys love this draft as much as I do ? I have it at A and could become an A+ with another S and P.

    • I’m gonna wait to grade anything. He’s filled needs, or at least attempted to. I love that part of it.

      Time will tell how good these guys end up being.

      • I think fans will be thrilled with Vereen because our S situation is less than enviable. Throw a dog leftovers, and he’ll be happy.
        I think I’m more with NFP in grading the safeties. They pretty much had like 16 safeties graded at about 6.4 (Vereen’s grade), but he does posses athleticism, intangibles, versatility and specials. And most importantly HOPE of replacing Conte, even if 6th rounders rarely become anything more than special teamers.

        • AlbertInTucson

          “… our S situation is less than enviable.”

          THAT, my firend, is REALLY polite euphemism for
          “Stunk out loud.!”

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      In one sense, he drafted only positions of need. We need a QB body in camp in case of Tsunamis. Tackles we needed, tackles we got.

      My initial wants and desires for the draft were to trade down and draft quality. We could have traded down and still got Pryor or Dix. Could have had Desir instead of the QB. Ealy instead of Ego. Could have moved up above Pittsburgh for Tuiit. Time will tell

  • We’ll have a good 6th round.
    We pick #7(via Bucs/Carmi) and #15 in that round, so that’s nice and early.
    Our 7th rounder (via Broncs) is #31. Basically a chance to nab a “priority UFDA”. Maybe a P.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    There’s a 6’7 290 b DE we can draft called……. Ricardo Montalban. YOU’RE KIDDING ME !!!!!

    We have to draft this guy.

    • Khaaaaaannn!

    • AlbertInTucson

      He only plays well with footballs made of (wait for it)…”Rich Corinthian Leather” from Fantasy Island. Word is he’s “Kahn” man.

  • I guess we’ll find out how good DTCaraun Reid is twice a year when we face the Lions.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    I like the format this year. Gets more discussion going, decision making, the teams get to mull things over. It’s good.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    How about the Raiders?

    Khalil Mack, Derek Carr, Gabe Jackson OG, Justin Ellis, Keith McGill.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/tracker/by-round#dt-by-round-input:3/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:oak

    • Frank Schoenburg

      Great draft

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    GB’s draft sucks balls.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt
  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    Draft twist next season – seventh rounder is fan-voted online.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      Millions of Cheeseheads drafting a rabbit for us, I know, I know ….

    • Big Mike

      Awesome. Problem is average fan is an idiot

  • Frank Schoenburg

    Who is David Fales?

    • Viva

      He’s our 2.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        our 3, he was trained by Palmer pre draft

        • Viva

          Roger that.

    • Viva

      Kiper, Polian, and the kid all like him….

      • tobijohn

        Anybody here ever mention him? This is the first I’ve heard his name…

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      Apparently the opposite of Jay. Hasn’t got the arm to get it in there, but eill be smart, move the ball … game manager.

      Amd just in … Pat O’ Donnell de punter bejaysus ….. big leg.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Here’s what I know from watching Ka’Deem Carey play here in Tucson:

    He led the nation in rushing 2 years straight playing in the PAC 12 behind Arizona’s average offensive lines.

    The PAC 12 is a big boy conference that, when NCAA schedules expanded to 12 games, added an addition CONFERENCE game instead of an additional ‘cupcake’ opponent. He sat out Arizona’s first game (vs. cupcake NAU) and 1 quarter in game 2 Rich Rodriguez’ doghouse.

    That he was ranked below the likes of BCs Andre Williams and others by so many “experts” is clearly a case of not paying very close attention.

    He and Williams both faced USC last season. Carey ran for 135 yards and had 6 receptions for 36 yards.. Williams racked up less than 40 vs. USC and had zero receptions. For the season.

    When they went head to head in a bowl game last December, it was no contest
    with Carey extending his streak of consecutive 100 yard games to 16 and Williams a non-factor.

    Carey ran angry, can catch the ball, had a nose for the endzone and was durable for Arizona. He did cough the ball up occassionally but usually came back from a fumble running even harder.

    I am sure his off field issues along with a pedestrian 40 time the combine dropped his stock. That and the declining overall value of running backs. If I recall correctly Carey had a domestic violence issue in which charged were dismissed and he ejected from the crowd at a UA basketball game prior to his Junior year which cost him the disciplinary action.

    I like the pick. I’m rooting for him to be a steal.

    • tobijohn

      Albert, we were worried about you. You’ve been a no-show for a while…

      • AlbertInTucson

        Thank you for the concern, Tobi.

        I work in local TV promotion. May is a “Sweeps” month. I hate May.

        • Viva

          Fucking May.

          • AlbertInTucson

            February and November are no bargain for me, either.

    • Viva

      I’m rooting with you.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      Thanks for the inside scoop Al, 42 rushing TDs in 2 seasons is impressive to say the least.

    • Frank Schoenburg

      I like the pick too. Good post

    • Big Mike

      Oh I love the insider analysis and the undevalued proposition. I was actually waiting and hoping you would chime in

  • 505 Bears

    In these late rounds, I would like to see us pick up Mike Sam. Dude was the player of the year in his conference. I think he would be good at LB/STs

    • AlbertInTucson

      Not saying you’re wrong but not every great college player translates to the NFL as the Heisman trophy has so often shown.

      • 505 Bears

        True, but would not only be a good late pickup, but also a decent PR move.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          a decent PR move?

          • Viva

            They do not call it the PR Bowl.

          • 505 Bears

            PBR Bowl? Git er done!!! HAHA

        • Viva

          If the kid can help us win a SB I’m all in.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Yes and no.

          Many teams just don’t want the “noise” that comes with him the same way they didn’t want the Johnny Football “noise”.

          The NFL would LOVE to have the Bears, Giants or Steelers do HARD KNOCKS but the Bears (wisely, IMO) have no interest.

          I don’t belive the G-Men or Steelers do, either.

          • 505 Bears

            Yeah, I don’t want to see the Bears on Hard Knocks, but doesn’t the NFL force teams to do it if nobody volunteers?

  • Viva

    We just drafted a punter. Jeff’s shorts are now soiled.

    • bearsfantillend

      best pick of the draft for us.

      • Big Mike

        Nah. Been a good draft but I love both picks

        • bearsfantillend

          i agree. i just like the punter pick.

    • Big Mike

      Dude is bigger and faster than the QB. They must simply love the punter, or else they would have gotten a punter as a UFDA

  • 505 Bears

    Likelihood we get Hard Knocks?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Only at the NFL’s version of gunpoint.

      • 505 Bears

        HAHA…. yeah, no doubt. Albert, you been to the Portillo’s there in Phoenix? Worth the trip?

  • Shady

    The hell did Emery do in that 6th round? A QB and a PUNTER? Seriously?

    • 505 Bears

      I think he dropped the controller and said, “I killed it. I’m out” and some intern started picking

    • Viva

      I don’t know what baffles me more: that we selected a punter in the 6th round, or that move has left Jeff speechless on Twitter….

      • bearsfantillend

        Jeff is speechless on twitter because he is too busy writing the next blog post showing some love for the Punter and how it was one of Emery’s best pick ever. BTW i like the pick.

    • Big Mike

      Man knows what he wants.

  • haha even our Punter has a good combine. Only Emery.
    #puntersareppltoo

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      He screwed the 6th round.

      • getting a backup QB and starting P in round 6 is not screwing up, IMO

        • Shady

          The Bears already have a backup QB and you can find starting punters in the UDFA pool and off the street. I just think he would have been better off adding competition elsewhere.

          • a P off the street will be a one-year contract. Same with backup QB. This keeps both guys here long term. I loved both those picks.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

          The QB will never start. We could have had Max Bullough and Zach Moore instead. Our team would have been better as a result. Fales and some punter does not make us a better team, equal or greater talents could be signed anywhere within seconds.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    The Packers rang Michael Sam’s agent ….. they screamed “FAGGOT!” and hung up,

    • Shady

      hahaha that’s terrible – Iriiiish. smh

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        And then A-Vadge rang him and said well hello there sailor ….

        • MB30SD

          Hahahaha.,.. horrible, but funny.

          mean boy.

  • Shady

    I am in shock. Lovie Smith did not draft a single defensive player.

    • tobijohn

      Well, he had no need for a safety. Not with Major Wright there now….

      • Max

        Yeah, with Major Wright there he needs TWO safetys

        • tobijohn

          Insert rim shot here…

    • 505 Bears

      How much influence do you think the Lovehammer has in regards to picks? I mean Anglo called the shit picks in Chi, yes?

    • tobijohn

      Seriously, is TB’s defense that stout?

  • Shady

    Well if I had a choice between drafting a QB named Fales or a QB named Wenning, I gotta go with the latter.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    This is ridiculous coverage. Solemn looks and drama praying for the only gay in
    the draft … cringe-worthy,

    • Shady

      I guarentee you he’s not the only homosexual getting drafted or trying to get drafted this weekend. He’s just the only one with the cajones to come out and be openly gay.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      heavy rumors that Stephon Tuitt is also gay

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        Pity the fool that plays cowgirl in that one. Ouch.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    I’d like that Zach Moore Chicago boy DE a lot more than a punter. David Fales never starts either.

  • Big fan of Fales. Outside of Murray, he was the best fit for this offense, IMO.

    • Viva

      I’m a big fan of our coaching staff. I think they can get the most out of their guys…

      • I agree on offense. We’ll see on D. Cautiously optimistic there. I know Pasqualoni has a lot of respect around the NFL

  • Max

    Didnt Emery babble on about how “developmental” late round QBs are a waste?

    Seems curious

    • I didn’t buy that bull for a second.

      • Max

        Then why say it? It makes sense if we were posturing for a certain player in the first or even second round, but why say it never works and then draft someone for exactly that role in the 6th?

        • It was to posture for the later rounds. Maybe some team trades ahead of us if they know we’re in the hunt for a developmental QB. I think that happened the last two years, but I can’t prove it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Maybe so, but the statistics he cited were pretty damning.

    • Shady

      It was allll just a clever little ruse, wasn’t it? The facts he mentioned don’t change though, drafting developmental QBs in the later rounds of the draft has not yielded very good results. I’ll be interested to listen to his justification and thought process behind that one.

  • I like the idea of getting a punter in rd 6, btw.

    It’s one of the positions that translates to NFL from college the best, so it’s an incredibly safe pick. You have a guy who will give you good production under contract for dirt cheap for 4 years.

    If I ran an NFL team, I’d spend my 6th on the top P on my board every 4 years. P are interchangeable, so why bother giving a vet more money than a rookie who’s every bit as good?

    • Frank Schoenburg

      Good point

      • they will pay this kid a total of less than $2M over the next 4 years. Podlesh had cap #s averaging about $1.5M/yr in Chicago.

        You’re telling me that extra $1M/yr for better production isn’t worth a 6th round pick?

        • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

          Not if we could have had a DE or MLB like Moore/Bullough, no.

    • AlbertInTucson

      When your punter stinks as bad as A-Pod did last year and you couldn’t even find anyone even slightly better off the street ALL SEASON, I have no problem using one of several 6th rounders on a punter. Another need was addressed. A GLARING one.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blogfather tweets: “Packers select Richard Rodgers. In correlating move the Bears have signed Oscar Hammerstein.”

    I get it and like it, but I’m old.

    Truth now, how many of you thought “Oscar who?”

    • Max

      God help me I have heard of Hammerstein… I wasn’t sure about Rodgers.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Collaborated with Oscar on THE KING AND I, OKLAHOMA, CAROUSEL et. al.

        Before that worked with Lorenz Hart.

        Created the music for VICTORY AT SEA.

        One of only 2 (and he was the first) to win an Oscar, an Emmy, a Tony and a Grammy. The other person is Marvin Hamlisch (The Sting, The Way We Were, et. al.)

        Other than that, Richard Rogers didn’t accomplish much with his life.

    • who doesn’t know Rogers and Hammerstein?

      • AlbertInTucson

        The same folks that have no clue who Steve McQueen was. Brought him up at lunch to a couple of younger co-workers recently and all I got was blank stares.

        I wouldn’t even bother to try discuss someone like Paul Muni with anybody under 40 or so.

        • Cormonster

          What’s the name of the movie where Burt Lancaster plays the fraud evangelist? Man was he awesome in that movie.
          Loved Steve McQueen in that French prison movie and the WW2 movie where they escape from a POW camp. The motorcycle scene kicks ass with Steve. I’m terrible with movie names.

          • AlbertInTucson

            That would be…

            1) ELMER GANTRY. Co-starred lovlies, Jean Simmons (she played Mrs. Spartacus) as the female Evangelist Elmer falls for and Shirley Jones (Mrs. Partridge) who took home an Oscar that year for her role as a hooker from Gantry’s past.

            2) PAPILLON with Dustin Hoffman.

            3) THE GREAT ESCAPE with James Garner, James Coburn & Charles Bronson. McQueen actually DID do a lot of the motorcycle riding and WANTED to do the fence jumping scenes but the film’s insurance company said “No dice, Steve.”

          • Cormonster

            Thank you Al. My sister is a shrink, and I lobbied her to watch Elmer Gantry years ago, but forgot the name. Maybe I’ll nudge her again. Papillon is another one I’ll have to ask her about. Love all 3 of those movies.

          • AlbertInTucson

            PAPILLION is excellent. It’s also EXHAUSTING to watch.

            He first came to prominence in THE MAGNIFICENT 7and then came THE GREAT ESCAPE which was his star-making role.

            Other McQueens to recommend: THE GETAWAY (The original). BULLIT (THE movie car chase). THE SAND PEBBLES. NEVADA SMITH. TOM HORN.

            LANCASTER is terrific in so many movies. He makes a stalwart Wyatt Earp in GUNFIGHT AT THE OK CORRAL. Outstanding antagonist in 7 DAYS IN MAY (both of those with buddy, Kirk Douglas). He’s terrific in BIRDMAN OF ALCATRAZ even though that film’s take on real life in-prison-for-life-2-time-unrepentant-killer/sociopath, Robert Stroud, is HIGHLY fictionalized. Great work in a great WWII submarine movie, RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP. Aside from being a great actor, he was also a VERY successful producer (and directed a couple as well) and he was a HELL of an athlete.A former circus acrobat who does great work as JIM THORPE ALL-AMERICAN. He gets to roll around in the surf with Deborah Kerr (yum) as Sgt. Milt Warden in FROM HERE TO ETERNITY. note: At the time, Burt was terrified of the water because he couldn’t swim. Had to learn for a later film, THE SWIMMER, which your Sister the shrink might find interesting. I think he got to roll around with the lovely ms.Kerr off scree as well.

            Tell your sister I have the utmost respect for her profession.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    Bullough still there ?

  • 505 Bears

    Anyone that has tape that looks like a high school game, I’ll pass

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    Colts just picked up an ILB named Andrew Jackson from Western Kentucky. He’s about 6’1 260 and looks like a fucking killer. A heat seaking missle of pain.
    We got Fales and a punter.

    #superscout

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      seriously, the guys tape is like the linebacker from the move THE PROGRAM. But luckily we got Pat O’Donnell who we could have signed for a slice of pizza and a half of a warm beer as a college free agent.

    • i thought both rd 6 picks were great.

      remember, they already have 6 LB guaranteed to make the roster. Often only keep 6, especially if they keep 10 DL

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        6th rd qb was a wasted pick my man.

        • why? Fales is a great fit for their system and should help solidify the position long-term so they don’t have a McCown situation every year.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            Jordan Palmer came cheap and has 8 fucking years of NFL camp and sideline experience. Taught Fales before the season and is 6’5 235.
            There are Jordan Palmers available every year if we choose not to sign our Jordan Palmer past next year.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            so many other needs on this team……

          • such as? They have more at LB, S, WR, TE than they did at backup QB before this pick.

            Cutler gets hurt. A lot. This was a need.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            we have the leading passer in the history of Texas A&M on our team already as the number 3 in jerrod johnson. this was not a need. Fales is a guy…with good hair

          • Johnson was undrafted because teams figured him out his last year of college, and has failed to stick on any team since 2011. No thanks.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            Fales is some dude from college that hasn’t been on any NFL team yet and was just picked in the 6th round…no thanks

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s Nathan Enderle, and Dan LeFevour. That is all. SEA got a 6’3 free safety we could have thrown in the mix.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            McCown was on how many teams again?

          • yes, McCown happened to be one guy who-against all odds-worked out.

            I don’t want to be playing that lotto every year.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            it’s not a lotto Woodman, it’s getting nfl quality guys and putting them in reasonable positions to succeed. McCown on the Raiders will fail just like Steve Young on the Bucs failed.
            Palmer on the Bears is a good combo, Fales possibly even a good combo but why waste a pick when you have proven NFL vets for cheap that would probably do well with Trestman and the Bears.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            and he wasn’t the ‘one guy”, he was the only guy and it worked out. what are the odds right? Then Palmer and Trent Edwards came in during the preseason and on 1 weeks notice efficiently moved the rock (albeit preseason).

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            point being , with all things considered i’ll go with the cheap vet that knows the NFL in this offense than a guy from college that doesn’t know one fucking thing about anything about the NFL.

          • bearsfantillend

            We have a so called QB guru or QB whisper as a coach. It is not a wasted pick. If he can coach a young kid up to the point of being competent or slightly better. It is a WIN-WIN. We got a backup QB plus we got trade bait. We have seen teams deal fairly high draft picks for Backup QBs that showed they could perform on the field.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            it’s not trade bait, we didn’t pick Ryan Mallet and develop him, it’s Dave Fales or whatever. Trestman and Kromer aren’t ghost whisperers they just have pieces and weapons and scheme in place that no one ever bothered to put in front of Jay before.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            How to protect a quarterback and put less pressure on the linemen: short quick hitting scheme like the Saints
            How to win more battles against defenses that try to matchup one on one while bringing insane pressure: large body sure handed WR’s
            How to let your franchise quarterback finally succeed with regularity : spend more on your fucking O LINE than 2 of your linebackers (briggs, urlacher)

          • bearsfantillend

            Sorry, I forgot it is useless to pose any argument for any QB ever to you because your single-mindedness and simplistic views on the position. Because no late round or undrafted QB has ever developed into a starter or valuable backup in the league, except Brady, Hasselbeck, Flynn, Cassel, Romo, Hoyer, Bulger, Brunell, Gannon, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, Theismann, Bart Star, Staubach, Delhomme, Garcia, Moon, and Warner; all of which was drafted in the 4th round or later. so open up your narrow-minded views on this position and understand that even though you might not like the decision to draft a QB with a sixth there is always that opportunity for success with the right coaching. And besides it is the fucking 6th round, I would rather take my chances on a project/backup QB in the 6th round rather than say 2nd or 3rd when we have other needs. We have addressed our other needs, albeit not to my expectations especially Safety, so why not take a chance on a QB.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            Gentlemen, for your consideration….Jericho

          • Palmer will stick too. He’s been helping young QBs prepare for the draft for a few years now.

            Palmer will be a QB coach to Fales. Makes perfect sense.

            And if Fales plays at some point and looks anything close to good, they will get a lot more than that 6th round pick back.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            Palmer coached him up before the draft and probably gave the thumbs up. Maybe i’m just biased against all other qb’s….

          • bearsfantillend

            Jordan Palmer has made a total of 15 career pass attempts. i agree he has experience holding a clipboard, even a year in Arena football. Any other year if we have gone into a season with a backup with that little of game experience, everyone would be throwing a shit fit, but somehow its ok now and we waste a pick by drafting a QB in the 6th round.something is not really adding up.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            Nah, two picks in the sixth were a wash in terms of costing us talent that may actually see the field

        • Trac

          I agree big time. What the heck? The guys Rex 2 with a weak arm and limited mobility. Kinda a blend of Orton & Grossman in my opinion.

    • 505 Bears

      Dude played at Western Kentucky!!

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        no doubt but you can’t teach 6’1 260 with the attack mechanism of an ancient great white. kid is probably the dumbest box of rocks ever created. doesn’t mean he can’t put a shoulder into a bunch of opposing dudes faces.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          same league that passed on Burfict because all he did in college was decimate people

          • I’m hoping Skov to Chicago still. But they might not have room on roster for a LB.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            there’s always room for a white, nameless, faceless, white linebacker with slightly above average measurables. always.

          • there’s always room for good players. If Skov is good, go get him. Not an Emery type guy though, IMO

          • bearsfantillend

            thats Angelo-esque type thinking.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            i know man, that’s the joke

        • Big Mike

          No… Coaching dumb guys sucks. No no no a thousand times no

          • Brian Urlacher says what?

          • Big Mike

            He has a very high football IQ

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            i don’t know if he’s dumb, i was just throwing it out there.

          • Big Mike

            Oh

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Hands off the fucking punter. He is the missle controller. He has the briefcase. You should love Emery… he was the worst Punter in the NFL ? He drafts the better one out there. Booom. Eat it Petterson, Cobb and Tate!!!

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        Barb, we had 2 guys in camp last year that were both Pat O’Donnells in college. They would have played for a handjob.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          So why did we have the worst punter in the fucking league… to go along with the worst D out there ?

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            well, as you know our entire D line and LB corps and hall of fame corner either got hurt or retired and our million dollar punter was given a chance to not suck as hard while his camp competition started for the Browns i believe after we let him walk.

          • Tress Way was the camp competition. He did not end up on a team last year, and he was brought back to compete in camp this year (though that competition is unofficially over now)

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            the other guy, you know his name, don’t withold

          • they had 2 P in camp last year. Way and Podlesh.

          • Cleveland’s punter is Spencer Lanning. I’ve never heard of him (had to look it up)

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            that was the guy, it was 2yrs ago then i guess

    • Big Mike

      We got a guy who will contribute in the 6th round. Smart pick.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        any semi quality guy had a chance to come in and compete. Its just a pick.

    • We have Washington, aka Black Adonis.

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    jesus, ESPN is on fucking location in Los Angeles at the “GYM BAR” with live cameras for a possible Michael Sam selection. Fucking sharks.

    • bearsfantillend

      i thought i saw A. Rodgers in the background of the live camera shots.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        I saw him too, he definitely had a cock in his mouth. NTTAWWT.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

    Seahawks draft a 6’3 220lb FS in the sixth just now. Eric Pinkins. Don’t you want him in camp before Fales or O’ Donnell?

    • Frank Schoenburg

      Yes

    • Big Mike

      He’d won’t see the field next year in Seattle. Good developmental pick. Enough with whining about safeties

    • Does he look better than Washington?

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    the FB that got Tre Mason drafted in the 3rd round just got picked. Huge white man mountain named Jay Prosch.

    • MB30SD

      saw a thingy on him. Oneathems easter european bloodline dudes. One of those guys who is born fucking tough. No dad, rough hood. his mom died of cancer. Sad story, but he’s a good kid.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        he’s such a Kuhn

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          no love for the double entendre (sp) ?

  • Shady

    P
    PAT O’DONNELL
    MIAMI

    Was a three-year letterwinner in track and football as a Florida prep. Began his collegiate career at Cincinnati and punted in three games in 2009, recording seven punts for a 37.9-yard average with a long of 50 and two punts inside the 20-yard line, before redshirting with an undisclosed injury. Booted 52.41.9-L61-16 in ’10. Was a first-team All-Big East selection in ’11 after logging 63-43.8-L76-26 punting and 61 kickoffs for a 64.2-yard average and seven touchbacks. In ’12, booted 59-41.8-L65-23 and 75-63.4-36 on kickoffs. Graduated from Cincinnati and transferred to Miami (Fla.) for his final season in ’13. Set the Hurricanes’ single-season record with a 47.1-yard-per-punt average after recording 53-47.1-L71-19 and 79-63.1-37 on kickoffs. Was also the holder on field goals and extra point attempts. Did 23 repetitions of 225 pounds on the bench press at the NFL Scouting Combine — more than six tight ends, 19 running backs, 21 defensive linemen and all 37 wide receivers.ANALYSIS

    STRENGTHS Very good leg strength to drive the ball. Experienced four-year starter. Handles kickoffs and served as the holder on PATs. Dedicated to his craft and the game is important to him.

    WEAKNESSES Inconsistent hang time. Can improve placement and accuracy. Average athlete. Overly analytical and outthinks the game. Could stand to hone his mental toughness and learn to handle pressure.

    DRAFT PROJECTION Round 7-Priority free agent

    BOTTOM LINE Outstanding-sized, right-footed, two-step punter transferred from Cincinnati upon graduation to be closer to home and hone his own technique. Has the leg strength to compete for a job, but must continue to hone his control and improve his directional punting.

    • Shady

      “Did 23 repetitions of 225 pounds on the bench press at the NFL Scouting Combine — more than six tight ends, 19 running backs, 21 defensive linemen and all 37 wide receivers.”

      hahahahaha

      • Big Mike

        Out kicker can kick your kickers ass and maybe your wide receivers

        • people love Indy’s punter for this type of stuff, right? Meet Indy punter Jr.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            our kicker benches more than Clowney

          • Shady

            Put THAT on a t-shirt.

      • bearsfantillend

        reminds me of the roided up Todd Sauerbrun.

    • Big Mike

      Has some upside. I worry about weather. Bears must have seen the ability to kick directionally when they met him and went to his pro day

      • he kicked at Cincinnati for 3 years, so it’s not like weather will be a new thing for him.

        • Big Mike

          Excellent catch. I saw that and brain did not process. Just thought Miami. Your on top of this.

          • I had never heard of the guy, didn’t do much HW on punters but figured they might draft one. I watched some tape of the ISU kid, who many had as top P, but that’s it.

            Watched some tape and looked him up after the draft. I grew up in Miami and have some big UM fans who all told me he’s great. Averaged 47 yards per punt last year, which is about 7 more than Podlesh, I think. Watched some tape, he’s got a massive leg. We’ll see how good he is at downing it inside the 20, which is the one thing Podlesh actually didn’t suck at.

          • Big Mike

            Yeah, if was at the 50

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            If you did any HW on punters Woodsy … .well, we don’t have to go there.

            Mayock was asked if he broke down any punters. He replied ‘no’. ‘Why not?’ ….. ‘I can’t.”

    • IBNO

      WEAKNESSES… “average athlete” despite out-benching 19 RBs, 21 DLs, etc.

      what a load of crap

  • Shady

    QB
    DAVID FALES
    SAN JOSE ST.

    OVERVIEW

    His brother, Austen, is a quarterback at San Jose State. Also lettered in basketball as a California prep. Began his collegiate career at Nevada where he redshirted behind Colin Kaepernick. Transferred to Monterey (Calif.) Peninsula College for the next two seasons, where he threw for 4,635 yards and 37 touchdowns. Moved on to San Jose State for the ’12 campaign and completed 327-of-451 passes for 4,193 yards (72.5 percent) with 33 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 13 starts and was the FBS’ most accurate passer. Named MVP of the Military Bowl after recording 395 yards and two touchdowns. Threw for 312-487-4,189-33-13 (64.1) in 12 starts in ’13. Was one of only two QBs, joining Fresno State’s Derek Carr, with 4,000-plus yards in both ’12 and ’13. Had a 17-8 career record in 25 starts. Team captain.

    STRENGTHS Well built (works hard in the weight room). Sets up cleanly and with balance. Nice play fake. Compact, three-quarters release with clean, quick arm action. Throws a clean spiral with good short-to-intermediate accuracy. Flashes touch. Confident and competitive. Tough and durable. Sparkling intangibles — outstanding personal and football character. Leads vocally and by example and is universally respected. Intelligent, passionate, motivated football junkie who takes pride in his craft and puts the time in to improve.

    WEAKNESSES Lacks ideal height and has relatively small hands. Average foot athlete and escapability. Can improve maneuverability in the pocket. Not yet sophisticated with his eyes. Tends to stare down his primary. Arm strength is just functional — struggles to drill velocity throws on a line and is not a natural deep thrower. Accuracy wanes downfield. Needs to improve against the blitz. Just a two-year starter.

    DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 5-6

    BOTTOM LINE Burst onto the scene as a junior-college transfer in 2012 when he led the nation in completion percentage (72.5), executing a quarterback-friendly system and putting himself on the NFL radar. Concerns about his height and arm strength will limit his appeal, but at worst should be a quality backup in a precision-matchup system.

    -Nolan Nawrocki

    • He lacks great height and doesn’t have the strongest arm in the world. But he’s very smart, has great mechanics, and is accurate.

      You want height/measurables, go ahead and throw a 4th round pick away on Logan Thomas or Tom Savage. I’ll take a QB who can play. He fits this system PERFECTLY and should be a quality backup for them.

      • Trac

        Meh. I’m not a fan of this pick.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

        Nope. Gimme Pinkins, and I don’t care what the skinny on him is, he’s a 6’3 safety to throw into the mix. He was good enough for the SB champs.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Nothing succeds like FALEure.”

      • Trac

        Nothing to see here.

        • AlbertInTucson

          How about ‘He FALES at everything.”?

    • IBNO

      With very few exceptions, QBs in the pros have lower completion percentages than they did in college. That’s why one of the best stats to determine a college QB’s pro potential is his completion percentage–if it’s low, it ain’t likely to get better in the pros. And completion percentage is one of the primary indicators of pro success.

      A ridiculously high college completion rate doesn’t mean this guy will succeed in the pros, but it’s promising. Have him sit and learn from the QB whisperer, and when Jay’s done in Chicago, maybe this guy can take the reins a la Rodgers in Green Bay.

      • Trac

        Small hands, weak arm, smallish for a QB. Sound familiar?

        • johnnywad

          Rex could chuck it. Small hands, short, dumb and usually broken, sure. But not a weak arm.

          • Trac

            Like I said below, he kind of a mix between Rex and Orton.

          • johnnywad

            Would you like that turd on a stick or fried this evening sir?

          • Trac

            Capitol S please.

          • johnnywad

            Indeed. Indeed. Remember when we were all clamoring for Rex or Kyle? What to do. What to do. Kyle is the turd on a stick and Rex is the fried one. Least ways that’s how I have it.

    • Trac

      I agree with his poor arm strength after watching his highlights. He really seemed to have to put his body into almost every throw and he’s gonna throw allot of ints if he throws off his back foot under pressure. This kid will need to have a solid oline in front of him to have any shot at the NFL. Wasted pick.

  • Big Mike

    Holy Shit!!!!!! I just looked at Will Sutton 2012 video. First round material there. Read he is back to that weight heading into camp. Might just be the pick of the draft.
    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/will-sutton-vs-oregon-state-2012/

    http://draftbreakdown.com/page/2/?s=sutton

    • I’ve said two things about Sutton over the last month or 2:

      1) If he’s back to 2012 form, he’s every bit as good as Donald

      2) The weight issues will make him a rd 2 steal in the same way Alshon Jeffery was in 2012. Turns out I was off by a round, but he is hands down my favorite pick CHI had this year.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        exactly.

        I am more pumped about this pick than Ferguson

        • Big Mike

          Ferguson serves a role. But if the Bears liked Sutton in round three and took Ferguson in Round two, They must really see something in Ferguson and showed some brass balls, waiting to get to Sutton.

          I would have projected them in reverse order. Sutton 2 Ferguson 3

          • MB30SD

            this. ego is a BEAST

          • If I’m gonna make a Jeffery comp with Sutton, I’ll make a Long comp with Ferguson. Incredibly rare combo of size/athleticism, but WAAAAY overdrafted based on college tape. Can the coaches coax it out of him like they did with Long?

            Jeffery had Marshall helping him. Long had Garza. Here’s hoping Ratliff takes Ferguson under his wing.

          • Big Mike

            From your keyboard to Papa Bear’s ears in heaven

          • the thing with those guys is that a lot of times it never comes out of them. Maybe another comp you could make there is Cornelius Washington.

            Here’s hoping for the best. I guess at least Ferguson will help on run D depth at bare minimum.

          • el_caney

            Amen.

          • Big Mike

            looks fat and slow.

          • el_caney

            Ego is a younger versión of Ratliff… Give the kid time…

          • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

            He can’t have had a second round grade, ca’t have been higher than Ealy, and you can’t have enough pass rushers.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            me too

      • Frank Schoenburg

        Ka Boom!

      • MB30SD

        give it up to data… I testify. sutton quickly became my DT pick after all the campaigning you did my maings.

        Also, forgot I saw him play in the holiday bowl… and while not spectacular (they got SPANKED by tex tech), I do remember him… he was a mountain of a man. Love this pick.

      • Big Mike

        Absolutely what I was thinking. I just got to it several months after you.

      • IBNO

        I think you’re right, and hope to Halas you are.

        If Sutton is this year’s Alshon, holy crap. We won’t be talking about a middle-of-the-pack defense in 2014. We’ll be talking top-third, if not better.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 Tuitt

      He’s lost 30lbs since his senior season.

  • MB30SD

    so now that the main dust has settled here’s my net-net:

    this was a really solid draft. And I don’t meant that from a player standpoint, I mean phil came in with his board and his strategy already mapped out and he didn’t stray a single millimeter from it while executing. I personally think he didn’t have all 4 top safeties going in rd 1 and though he could make a play for either buchannon or ward in the 2nd. When that didn’t happen he turned assassin and fixed the Dline (hopefully), and didn’t reach for the FS he KNOWS we need badly.

    The dude is a rock. And like it or not, he executes his strategy with extreme prejudice, and without emotion. I have to give it up to Barb for calling a lot of it.

    I was pissed we didn’t take one of the 4 safeties right there on a platter for us, but phil obviously liked fuller in the dynamic new scheme I hope to god tucker can general.

    I also think canada, that there is no way in hell that first draft was his…. besides the move up to get ashlon. It makes even less sense to me after seeing this year’s draft.

    That first draft was all over the place and was totally random. If lovie hadn’t essentially been publically given the reigns over phil by teddy in the press that year I might be a bit more skeptical, but the three drafts are VASTLY different, and the last two are MUCH more similar.

    Agree with me or not, I just can’t see that first draft as phil’s… makes even less sense to me today.

    • he addressed needs aggressively. Time will tell if the players pan out (I think many of them will), but every single one hit a need (both present and future).

      He changed the scouts up after draft 1. Didn’t have time to do that for 2012, so still had Angelo scouts in place.

      • MB30SD

        exactly. Doc and I texted about it today.

        Lovie at the helm with his henchmen, angelo’s scouts, emery not given the keys to run the war room. That first draft had angelo and lovie’s buffoonery written all over it… except for the one brilliant pick which I will maintain was phil’s one gift from lovie.

        Everything since has been so strategic and calculate. diametric opposites.

        Who’s with me… aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

        • Emery had some stuff to do with it I’m sure. McClellin sure as hell wasn’t a Lovie type guy, and Hardin fits the Emery profile to a T.

          I think it’s more that he just ignored everybody else in the room to do his own thing, if I had to guess. Didn’t trust them, so went with what he knew/who he liked. You need guys to bounce ideas off of and listen to, and he didn’t have that in the room yet.

          • MB30SD

            fair enough. I can stomach the CD explanation, but hardin was a guy who hadn’t played FB in 2 years due to constant injuries… that doesn’t sound like emerys style to me. Especially since white safeties IS lovies main love.

          • Hardin was just a shit pick from the go.

            But he was big and athletic, with all the physical ability to develop into a great player, which screams Emery to me.

          • I can see Emery looking at Hardin and thinking “that guy’s gonna be a stud starting S by 2014” (When Wright’s contract was up)

          • MB30SD

            mmmmeeeehhhhhh….

          • IBNO

            Hell, I drooled at Hardin’s measureables. His injury history dropped him, otherwise he would’ve suckered some other team into taking him in Round 2 and trying the conversion.

          • MB30SD

            it was the injury history that was the WTF for me. He hadn’t played football in almost 2 years!!!

          • Big Mike

            Disagree. So far no injury risks in the last two drafts. Also agree, not his scouts. Rodriquez on the other hand was an Emery whiff. But not CD and Hardin.

          • Rodriguez was a good on-field pick. A better version of Fiammetta. Had carved out a starting role by the end of his rookie year. Just gambled and lost on off-field stuff.

          • Big Mike

            McClellin was Marinelli’s boy.

          • MB30SD

            this

      • Irish Sweetness

        He didn’t adapt the safety need aggressively. i like the first four picks though.

    • Frank Schoenburg

      Jeffery alone makes the 2012 draft a success. Emery was the GM, he has to take responsibility for the misses too.

      • Big Mike

        Not saying he wasn’t responsible. The picks don’t add up from that first year. In both of the last two drafts, Emery has gone by his own board. Being patient when needed, but aggressive when he saw an opening

        • MB30SD

          thank you mike. Something just ain’t right about D1 vs D2&3. totally different animals.

      • IBNO

        One thing I have to say, though, is that without Marshall, I don’t think Alshon breaks through in 2013 like he did.

        I give JA credit for the Marshall trade. He took a risk, and got a gold mine. Marshall got his head on straight and has been a stellar off-the-field leader. His off-season leadership with the WRs and QBs deserves a Captain’s C on his jersey.

        Alshon is on the verge of being a top-5 WR in the league. Trestman’s offense is a perfect fit for him. A burner slot WR and holy shit, the offiense is going to put up a shit-ton of points this year.

        • Frank Schoenburg

          I thought Emery pulled off the Marshall trade

    • IBNO

      Agree on all points. I am your clone.

    • Trac

      His first draft was postal because Lovie and crew told him we were all set and blew smoke up his skirt. Also if you think about it, Lovie did go 10-6 the year he got fired based on his inability to make good on his all set comments.

      • MB30SD

        correct.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      True that !?!The draft has a peach. The S situation was alarming, but he got the starting FS in the 5th round. Great stuff. PS: Even the P is a fucking beast physically. That’s a trend.

      • MB30SD

        love that. let’s see how it all pans out now.

      • el_caney

        A miscalculation…

    • CanadaBear

      As Winston Wolf says, “Let’s not start jerking each other off just yet.” Let’s see if these guys can play. I like what I read but I read all the same bullshit about Bostic and Greene last year and they sucked moose wang. Hope it’s a great draft but …

      • MB30SD

        let’s see how those two do this year with actual players around them. I think you’ll see a drastic diff canada.

        • CanadaBear

          I truly hope so.

  • AlbertInTucson

    How many games did A-Pod’s punting cost the Bears last year?

    • Frank Schoenburg

      8.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Overstatement. Big Mike has a point about those 90+ yard drives.

        • Frank Schoenburg

          Ok, 7

        • CanadaBear

          Whenever you most needed a good punt is when he was most likely not to deliver.

    • Big Mike

      You can argue that it was every game decided by a touchdown or less. You can argue that it was zero. What you can’t argue with is he hurt the defense on numerous occasions. Although when the Bears pinned an opponent inside the opponents 5, it always seemed like a 95 yard drive was inevitable.

      I like the pick.

      • AlbertInTucson

        No WAY was it zero.

        • Big Mike

          I said you could argue.. Punters don’t win or lose games… They influence them. But that’s not my position. I know he sure as hell did not help us win any.

  • One last thing to remember: there are a LOT of damn good players still undrafted. Some of them will go before the end of the draft, but a lot of them won’t. So many underclassmen means there will be some good UDFA.

    I expect CHI to find UDFA who can come in and compete for roster spots, especially at WR, TE, LB, and S. I expect 2-3 UDFA to make the team, with another 4-5 on the PS.

    • el_caney

      Bullough and Skov still there, UDFA premium!

  • BearDownChi

    Any thoughts on Michael Sam with Bears last pick if he still there? LB is a need? As a football player is he worth our last pick in the draft?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      hell no. we have a 1st round pick and an UFA in that role.

  • Viva

    Michael Sam was taken after Dixon and a few slots before Smallwood.

    HMMMMMM.

    • MB30SD

      who took him?

      Thanks gents

      • Viva

        Rams.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          you said Rams

          • Viva

            priceless

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            i don’t know why i keep making myself laugh when i conjure up scenarios like this and how gay guys could never really break up :

            Imagine two guys arguing with each other after a long day at work at their tidy condo:
            Rick: the garbage won’t take itself out….
            Jordan: pffffftffff……you are such a diva, if you have something to say then say it…
            RIck: you know, i work all day and then i have to come home and you aren’t pulling your weight and it’s really pissing me off…
            Jordan: dude, suck my dick
            Rick: i thought you’d never ask

            Fight Over …. then hit the gym and watch the hawks game ?????

          • Cormonster

            True story. I used to party with this girl all the time, boating on the Mississippi River. Tons of fun, but a little crazy. She had this boyfriend for a while that was VERY effeminate. First thought – closet gay guy.
            Anyways, after they broke up she told me why. At a 50th birthday party for a gay guy with a huge house, many people were crashing there for the night. She fell asleep, but when she got up her boyfriend wasn’t there. When she went to the bathroom she heard some loud noises from her boyfriend, and opened the birthday boys bedroom door. The boyfriend was on the receiving end.
            She freaked out, and he freaked out. Supposedly, while crying, he told her, “I don’t know why I do this when I get drunk!”. I’m a terrible story teller, but I love the punch line.

          • CanadaBear

            Alcohol makes my butt hurt!

          • MB30SD

            Brutal

          • MB30SD

            uhhhhh huh huh…. huuuh huh

      • bearsfantillend

        St. Louis

      • Viva

        did you not see what I did there? I’m fucking pissing myself.

        • MB30SD

          I did…
          __________________________________________________

        • tobijohn

          That was in poor taste but I approve…

    • There was a player named Cockrell. That would have been awesome.

      • tobijohn

        Does Mitch Van Dyk count (7th rd C to the Rams)?

  • MB30SD

    Also, we just took a OT from Boise St.

    YAAAAY!

  • Trac

    What happened to our 5 round pick?

    • tobijohn

      Traded it for an extra 4th round and a 7th round. Gave up next year’s 5th as well

  • MB30SD

    the gym bar looks awesome. Looked like they were having fun. hahahaha

  • wow. talk about depreciation of position.
    Skov, Bullogh and Christian Jones are still available.

    • MB30SD

      wow

  • Trac

    What does my frewheeling buddy MB think about the Brock Vereen. Safe pick?

    • MB30SD

      don’t know anything about him, but I have to trust my main maings phil at this point. I am fully on board now that the strateegery has been completely unveiled.

      Is there any tape on himgs?

      • Trac

        He started half his games at FS last year and the other half at CB. Likes to play in the box but can drop back as well. Did more bench press than any other DB and I think he ran a ridiculous 40 time.

        • MB30SD

          25 reps and 4.47 40. Good stuff. we’ll see if he can play, but have to believe he’ll beat out conte.

          • He won’t. Unless Conte’s injury is worse than expected.

          • johnnywad

            Why? Is he retarded or blind in his left eye? Club foot?

          • IBNO

            As of right now, Conte will miss most (if not all) of the preseason rehabbing his shoulder.

            So, that’s what’s expected. Someone else will be getting all the reps in camp and in preseason.

      • MB30SD

        Guy has all the measurables. Strong and fast that’s fo sho

        http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/brock-vereen?id=2543820

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql5BpFzjK_M (their SS wells looked good too)

  • Viva

    DA RAMZZZ

  • tobijohn

    keep your eye on Lonnie Ballentine (FS/Texans). Last pick of the draft

    • BerwynBomber

      I believe it is “Lonnie”, but yes, Mr. Irrelevant.

      • tobijohn

        Corrected but that’s my point…

  • Viva

    Live presser on dasite – now

    • EnderWiggin

      Thanks for the heads-up. Great presser. Phil was so tired he couldn’t even talk.

  • Trac

    Some of you guys are making me e’scared. Have some objectivity men. That QB pick is a mind boggler, wasted pick.

    • BerwynBomber

      It is the sixth round. I wouldn’t sweat it. At that point you’re basically drafting a UDFA; i.e, you’re probably not leaving much on the board.

      • bearsfantillend

        Agree! 1000 times Agree.

        • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

          are you Drew Fales’ dad ???

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            you’re jocking this pick like we just went back in time and picked Navorro Bowman in the 3rd round instead of Hardin or Pool Jumper

          • bearsfantillend

            I just don’t have a problem taking a project in the 6th round because it is the 6th round, not losing much if it does not pan out.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            but you’re not even addressing the other QB’s on the board that were still available if that’s the case. We’re talking about Stewart Fales.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            i don’t want to give you a boner/heart attack but we just signed Jordan Lynch. So….use your hands to cover up your rock hard erection and excuse yourself to the bathroom please. 🙂

          • bearsfantillend

            I did not do the scouting. I did take the hundreds of hours to look at every possible QB in the draft, and figure out which one would fit the system we are running. You know who did, Emery, the scouts, and the coaching staff. I would trust them more than anything rated by idiots like Kiper/McShay.

      • Trac

        Yes. Still silly.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      mind boggling

    • IBNO

      Is a 6th round flyer on a backup/developmental QB “wasted?”

      How many 6th-round picks are starters (at any position)?

      Better a 6th-rounder than a 4th-rounder (LeFevour).

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        haha, remember The Favor? Jesus.

        • CanadaBear

          He plays in the CFL. Happy Hank is trying to hang on for another year. Good times in the CFL!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yes. we could have had a DE /TE / LB ….that might be something.

  • BerwynBomber

    Good draft by PE. Fuller and Sutton look like potential studs (and the latter could be a memorable steal). Only reach seems to be Ferguson. Question is whether he becomes this year’s Shea McCllelin or Kyle Long. TBD. Didn’t mind the punter pick and am generally intrigued by the young QB. I’ve thought all along it would be a huge waste to have Trestman here and not led him mold some 22 year old from relative scratch. Would be a hoot if he turns into our version of Brady with Cutler as our Bledsoe.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      does anyone not remember how fucking awesome Brady was in college? Am i in the football twilight zone?

      It’s Timmy Fales for gods sake!

      • BerwynBomber

        Well, I said “our version”, which was code for … longshot. BTW, Brady didn’t round into form until his senior year. He looked very mediocre his junior year; that was one of the reasons they were calling for Henson up in Ann Arbor.

        • also Fales was pretty darn good in college.

          • Trac

            Did you look at his tape ? The dude looked like he was gonna break his poop string trying to put velocity on his throws.

          • have you ever seen Josh McCown try to throw deep?

          • johnnywad

            Yes. Looks like old Pennington

          • Chad Pennington was pretty damn good before all the injuries.

            If they drafted Fales high to be a starter, I’d be pissed. But he fits the profile of a good backup. Smart, accurate passer, hard worker, good kid. Everything you want in a backup.

          • johnnywad

            I believe you. I’m just saying Josh throws a deep ball like Old Beat Up Chad. Its a struggle.

          • Matt Flynn is another guy who can’t throw a deep ball. Perfect QB for GB after spending years in the system though.

          • Trac

            I can dig that argument. Just having trouble with thinking the guy is more than a backup. The phrase game manager comes to mind. If we can sport a D then he could be serviceable in that role. He ain’t gonna mount many comeback wins from what I saw on tape.

          • they have Cutler signed for the next 3-5 years. This is a pick looking for a long-term backup for stability at the position. In the 6th round (behind a QB who gets hurt a lot), that’s a good value IMO

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, Pennington was pretty good for all the jokes made about him. Wuerfell-like weak arm, of course, but had crazy accuracy/touch and seemed a good leader. But yes, as you implied ultimately too slight/frail to sustain a long-term, highly productive career. Liked him, though. And he once soundly outplayed and thumped P. Manning in a playoff game.

          • johnnywad

            I also believe Phil made this team a contender in the near future with this draft. He has positioned them nicely to start having options on draft day instead of addressing positions of dire need.

          • look at next year. If they re-sign Marshall and de la Puente, they will have on the roster (pre-FA and draft):

            top 2 QB
            top 3 RB
            top 3 WR
            starting TE
            starting OL + 2 backups (Brown/the kid they just drafted)
            top 3 DEs (plus maybe Bass/Washington)
            potentially top 3 DTs (plus could re-sign Collins/Paea)
            3 young LB (this will be need position, most likely)
            3 of top 4 CB (Tillman FA, could be need position)
            top 2 S (Vereen/Mundy will be need position)
            K and P

            So you’re looking at WAY fewer needs next year, most likely, along with enough $$ to easily sign 2 good-sized FA deals (even after re-signing Marshall and extending Jeffery).

            The future is bright for this team.

          • Trac

            That’s the thing, I didn’t see him try to throw any bombs.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yes, looked fine to me, and receivers have a better chance of catching his passes than Jay’s due to trajectory, speed and accuracy.

          • AlbertInTucson

            So were Andre Ware and David Klingler.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ware and Klinger were first round picks. Fales is a sixth-rounder. Huge difference in terms of potential risk. Funny how this one sixth round pick has everyone freaked out and over-reacting.

          • NewBearInTown

            Exactly. I wrote this above. Its a sixth round crap shoot. If he gets cut in training camp, we’ve lost nothing.

          • AlbertInTucson

            But Ware and Klingler WERE “pretty darn good’ in college.

          • BerwynBomber

            Most guys fit that not too stupendous description who get drafted into the NFL, regardless of position. Anyway, I’m not sold on Jordan Palmer as trustworthy #2 and the idea (mind, it’s only an idea) of Trestman breaking a kid from scratch is, IMV, a good one. Plus, we don’t want to get caught in a GB-like situation if Cutler goes down. Hey, Fales might not even make the team, but the pick makes sense to me. Last year our back-up QB was our MVP of the team. Having another potential option beside Palmer seems like a good, low-risk insurance bet.

      • Trac

        I think he’s pulling your chain Johnny. Got to be.

      • johnnywad

        Well sure. If you count championships and shit like that.

  • I’m telling you: Fales was a good pick.

    There were 2 later round QBs I had in mind who I thought would be perfect fits in Chicago: Aaron Murray and David Fales. I would have been happy with either in round 5. They got him in round 6.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      If Rick Fales is on this team in 2years i will buy you a fucking car.

      • MB30SD

        I thought it was todd? Hmmm.. puzzling?

    • Irish Sweetness

      We’ll see in three years if he was a good pick or not. Nobody knows if he was a good pick or not.

      • I agree with this on every pick ever. I’m just offering my opinion here. But I don’t get the stress over spending a 6th round pick on a QB.

  • BerwynBomber

    So did Vereen play SS or FS at UMinn? I’m assuming, at this point, that Mundy and Conte are our starters.

    • MB30SD

      FS there was another dude at SS check the links to the tape below. Their SS looked pretty good too.

      • he actually started at least 4 games at FS, SS, and CB in the last 2 years.

  • tobijohn

    Apparently Michael Sam’s sexual preference didn’t bother PE or three other teams:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/10/michael-sam-would-have-had-four-offers-if-undrafted/

    • NewBearInTown

      I’m surprised he fell as far as he did. He was projected to go in the middle rounds, but I guess some teams were concerned about the press after all.

      • lotta guys fell in this draft (and every draft). Christian Jones, the guy CHI just signed as an UDFA, had a 2-3 grade from a lot of places I saw.

        There are a lot of legitimate football questions with Sam that dropped him, IMO. He never produced against good teams in college, but racked up meaningless stats against the shitty schools. He’s not big enough to be a DE, and not athletic enough to be a LB.

    • AlbertInTucson

      He’s a 7th round pick on team with 4 1st rounders on their D-Line. Hope he can play LB.

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

    Looks like FSU linebacker Christian Jones is a Bear

  • NewBearInTown

    I look at the draft in three groups.
    1) Kyle Fuller, Will Sutton and Pat O’Donnell
    All three fill a need (though not necessarily the biggest need) and are safe bets. Fuller was a favorite of mine all off-season, he’ll be a starting nickel at a minimum and possibly will get significant reps on the outside. Sutton is a rotational guy, but will be a solid player to take 30+ snaps a game at the 3 tech position or moved around for unbalanced packages. O’Donnell is the top punter (according to PE) in the draft and will step in and start. Three starters (well, 2.5) is pretty good for any team.
    2) Ego Ferguson, Brock Vereen
    We needed help at DT and S. We got help at DT and S. Maybe not ideal fits, but we needed potentially starting caliber players to come in to camp and compete for reps on day 1 at those spots. If either of them pans out, the strategy worked. We have contingency plans already on the roster if either isn’t productive. Ferguson arguably belongs in the first group, but I think some of the concerns about his physical shape and lack of sack production would have made us look elsewhere were DT not a position of need.
    3) Ka’Deem Carey, David Fales, Charles Leno, Jr.
    We don’t need any of these guys. If they all get cut in training camp, its not a big deal. But if any of them sticks around, its a pleasant surprise. Carey is a solid prospect to back up Forte and can be a reliable option to pick up tough yards if Forte goes down. Fales is a crap shoot, as all late round QBs are. Leno is a 7th round guy, but could turn into a pro-quality guard. If one of them makes the roster, we build good depth. Better to take a solid player than to waste picks on positions of need when there’s nobody there worth taking.

    • AlbertInTucson

      And remember, if all else Fales…

    • Cormonster

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      • NewBearInTown

        I’m down. But how does one find a site on one’s phone? I have an android, is there an app I need to get?

        • Cormonster

          Just go to google play, and download the application Chess by Post. My name is Cormonster, with the C capitalized. From there I can get you Doc’s username.

          • Cormonster

            From there you can start a private game by typing in my username.

          • NewBearInTown

            On it.

    • Carey and Fales both fill needs.

      Backup RB was a need, and he may replace Forte in 2 years. They need a backup QB. The only luxury pick was Leno.

      • NewBearInTown

        The way Emery talks, they wanted to spend a mid-rounder on a running back. But the blog has commented extensively about how devalued the position is and how teams are making it work with 2-3 UDFAs. We need depth there, but the luxury was spending a 4th rounder on it.
        Fales was absolutely a luxury pick. We have a starting QB. We have a backup QB. We’d like to get better at every position, but the season is tanked either way with Palmer or Fales replacing Cutler on IR.

        • BerwynBomber

          Don’t presume J. Palmer is J. McCown. Even before his bank account-altering season last year, McCown was a ton more accomplished (and successful) on the NFL level. Fales very well might be cut before the season starts, but I also would not be shocked if he eventually becomes our #2 if he makes the team. Therefore, I don’t know if it was a complete luxury pic unless you are arguing anyone picked that late is a luxury.

          • NewBearInTown

            The opposite. Don’t presume Fales is McCown either. I don’t think Fales or Palmer are going to get us to the playoffs. So eventually we need to upgrade at backup QB, but it didn’t have to be this year’s draft.

          • BerwynBomber

            Oh, I’m not (about Fales). I was only responding to your “we have a back-up QB” line. I’m not sure we do in JP. I don’t think PE or MT know either; hence, the flyer on Fales.

          • Irish Sweetness

            QB is where Emery has fallen down other than Safety. If Jay goes down, that’s it, and I don’t want to hear any bullshit about “if your starter goes down that’s it anyway …”

            Defeatist bullshit loser thinking. A billion dollar business should have two guys who can win games. Emery says we’re good at safety and QB? Bullshit and bullshit.

        • bearsfantillend

          Yes the RB position has been devalued but which teams are making it work with 2-3 UDFAs at running back?

        • the value for RBs is in the middle rounds. When GB needed a RB last year, they spent two picks between rds 2 and 4 on RBs.

          This guy was one of the best RBs in the draft and they landed him in rd 4. Where exactly is the complaint?

  • MB30SD
  • NewBearInTown

    Looking at some other team’s drafts.

    Tampa Bay – Lovie’s first draft in Chicago was all defensive players. His first in Tampa is all defense. Picked up two receiving threats in a Evans (a true #1 WR) and Sefarus-Jenkins (hopefully a bright spot in a thin TE class). Picked up a solid, versatile RB in Sims. Picked up two good O-line prospects. Apparently they like Glennon to backup and replace McCown at some point. We’ll see how that goes, but if they stink this year, they probably are hoping for more options at QB in 2015.

    Green Bay – Solid draft. Nothing flashy, but a lot of good pieces to keep their team in contention. As long as they build around Rogers, they’ll be dangerous.

    Detroit – The Ebron pick makes perfect sense to me, and I don’t get why everyone gives them so much headache over it. Calvin Johnson needs help to make the offense go. Last year they added a solid RB and all of sudden they were much more productive. This year they’ve added Golden Tate and Ebron to try to build the passing game. They need help on D and elsewhere, but this is a solid strategy.

    Minny – Zimmer is a good coach. He’s picking up some dangerous players to build a solid defense with. If Bridgewater works out at QB, Adrian Peterson may get to win another playoff game before his career ends.

    • BerwynBomber

      I think the big question about Ebron is whether a) he was taken a tad high, and b) whether it was a huge need for the Kittens. The Cheese draft strikes me as iffy. That is a team whose defense was damn near as bad as ours and they drafted three WRs and five offensive players overall. And yeah, Minny’s has Zimmer stamped all over it — very D heavy.

      • NewBearInTown

        I think people will say Fuller was taken high as well. Bottom line is, Ebron would have been gone if the Lions didn’t take him in the first round. If he’s your guy, and you believe he is a multi-year starter for your team, you take him. The Lions wanted a weapon on offense. I think they basically had to choose between Ebron and Beckham. They picked the TE over the slot guy. I can’t fault them for that.
        As to GB, the numbers are deceiving. 3/5 of their top picks were on D. Their first rounder was Dix, a big position of need for them. They also got two guys for their front 7. The picks in round 5 and lower are BPA grabs, they have to be that low because most guys in the later rounds don’t even make their teams.

        • BerwynBomber

          Good points.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Fuller’s probably a better corner than Gilbert, and he went pretty high. We just needed a safety, corner could have come later but I like the player we got.

    • BerwynBomber

      Still surprised TB is handing Glennon the clipboard. Kid had good stats as a rook.

  • NewBearInTown

    A few key questions for the Bears.
    Embarrassment of riches: Who plays on our starting D-line? We’re going to have to rotate players because we have a ton of talent right now. I guess we’re looking at Houston – Suttin – Ratliff – Allen. But there are a lot of other configurations that I expect to see on a weekly basis (including getting Young and Idonije in at End or Tackle, and getting Fergusson reps behind Ratliff and maybe also Suttin). And does this mean Paea is the odd man out?
    Empty spots: Who plays middle linebacker? DJ Williams is our starter, but Emery said Bostic is moving outside. He said the same about McLellin. Greene is also an outside guy. So if Williams tears his ACL in weak one (an injury that should not cripple our team) who plays Mike?
    Musical safeties: Do we play three corners 90% of the time? Do we trade our Sam backer for a safety instead of a corner? That would be unusual, but it makes sense with the current roster. Kyle Fuller would basically be a coverage safety. But where does that leave us against the run for another season?
    Offensive Growth: Personnel-wise, we didn’t grow as an offense. Where will that growth come from this year? The answer seems to be a backup running back and last year’s seventh round pick. Hopefully that will be enough. But in 2015, we will need to continue adding weapons.

    • That’s why I wanted Skov. True MLB.

      But that other guy we got will be an awesome project. 6’3 235? yes please. He just needs to learn the MLB a bit.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Shea should be backing up DJW if Bostic is outside.

      Martavis would have been a great pick for us – was he there when we got Carey?

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        Pit picked him right after our pick. it took 23 seconds for their pick to come in

    • who cares who starts? They have 9-10 guys who will all rotate in. I love it.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Welcome to the NFL @MikeSamFootball… it took until 2014 ….. really?

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      Irish, gay guys and girls have been playing in pro sports for years. Former players in multiple leagues have already said it’s not a big deal. our media makes it a big deal to sell the shit out of advertising and to generate page views (revenue) but you knew that right?

      Let’s be honest, every TV show, movie, play, form of entertainment, culture is saturated with homosexuality and it is now commonplace. Not a big deal. Annoying but not a big deal.

  • Irish Sweetness

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