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Trestman, Cutler Cost Bears Crucial Home Win

| November 11th, 2013

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I love what Marc Trestman has done to the Bears offense in only nine months. He has turned one of the worst units in the sport into one of the best units in the sport with a combination of creative play-calling and gusto. But Sunday, at Soldier Field, against the Detroit Lions, Trestman delivered the kind of head coaching performance reserved for rookie head coaches. And the Bears lost because of it.

Don’t agree? Of course you don’t! You probably think Jay Cutler was healthy for the duration of Sunday’s contest, despite his inability to walk and complete unwillingness to drift from the pocket for any reason. You probably think the strange decision to take underneath, no-chance-at-first-down throws was just Jay’s ways of throwing off the Lions secondary.

Jay Cutler should not have played a single snap Sunday. Jay Cutler should have spent Sunday in those dopey jumpsuits reserved for inactives. And if his head coach had more guts, the quarterback would have. Yes, Trestman may have the balls to go for it on fourth-and-anything from any place on the field, at any point in the game but he clearly lacks the resolve to tell his star quarterback, “Enough. Sit down. You’re not going today.”

And Cutler is not without blame. If he was not 100% – and he wasn’t – he should never have positioned himself to play this game. I understand Cutler’s contractual circumstances. I understand the questions of toughness that have surrounded his career over the last few years. But Cutler needs to understand that leading an organization can often mean turning to the coaching staff and saying, “Nope, I’m not ready.” Today’s performance proved he is not ready to embrace that element of leadership yet.

Yes, Alshon Jeffery dropped two touchdown passes. Yes, Major Wright dropped an interception that Bears safeties haven’t dropped in the past. Yes, Cutler threw a tipped pick in the end zone and yes Trestman went on a fourth down he didn’t need with the game knotted at seven. But this game between the Bears and Lions was decided by the fact that Cutler played. At all. At no more than sixty or seventy percent. Cutler played a game he shouldn’t have and the whole world knew it.

Trestman can call plays. But can he lead an organization? Cutler can throw every pass on the field. But can he lead an offense? The actions of both men Sunday might lead one to question their futures in Chicago.

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  • tobijohn

    I get it but that last sentence was a bit harsh….

    • AlbertInTucson

      Couldn’t agree more.

      Blogfather, how do you go from

      “I know most Bears fans are depressed right now. I’m not. I think the future is ridiculously bright for this organization.”

      to

      “Trestman can call plays. But can he lead an organization? Cutler can throw every pass on the field. But can he lead an offense? The actions of both men Sunday might lead one to question their futures in Chicago.”

      in a matter of hours?

      Sounds close to a complete 180 to me.

      • Big Mike

        Not at all a 180. Operative words are “Might” and “Question”.

        • AlbertInTucson

          That’s hedging, Big Mike.

          The “…future looks ridiculously bright. ” post was unequivocal.

          To then almost immediately call in in to question the future of the starting QB and the new head coach cuts the legs right out from under “Ridiculously Bright Future” and certainly DOES qualify as a “180”, “Might” and “Question” notwithstanding.

          That and

          “Cutler looks…Okay” to “Cutler should not have played a down..”

          are flip-flops worthy of Marylou Retton.

  • Shady

    Nice work Jefe.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I disagree, Shady.

    • Bearsfan_4_Decades

      I agree. On the money.

  • CanadaBear

    Trestman got out coached. It happens. It really sucks because he got out coached by gym shorts but that’s the way it goes. He should have started the second half with McCown and been done with it. I don’t get the Cutler hate because he was trying to gut it out. Great athletes are wired that way. It was on Trestman how much Cutler played.

    • ooog

      It’s only gutting it out when you like the player beforehand. It’s selfish if you’ve already decided the player is selfish.

      • bearsfantillend

        disagree, i like Cutler, but i thought it was selfish of him to stay in the game, but it was stupid for Trestman to let him stay. Players are idiots, and cant be relied on to make the decision when it comes to injuries. Its one thing to play when you are hurt, its totally different to play when you are injured, and Cutler is injured.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Outcoached? By who?

      • CanadaBear

        Gym Shorts.

        • MB30SD

          I have to agree with yonny here canada. I don’t think schwartz can out coach a handbag… trest out coached himself today.

          • Big Mike

            He thought about it to hard. Running up the gut on the 2pt conversion was insanity, unless you think, they think you won’t think that way…

      • Stafford Dead

        I would say at times he outcoached himself.
        He overthought the plays from the goal line and for the 2pt conversion.
        Sometimes you just throw a fade and make a guy make a great play on your beasts. Most times it’s P.I or a TD. Trestman screwed himself.

        • bearsfantillend

          This might be a first, i got to agree with Waffle here.

      • CanadaBear

        He made a few bad decisions. gym shorts only made one.

      • el_caney

        By himself

    • AlbertInTucson

      Tell ’em, Canada

      Point A – Cutler can’t win.
      If he sits out, he’s a wimp. If he plays hurt, he’s selfish.

      Point B – Cutler playing at all and then staying in after the first half is ALL on Trestman.

      I said give the groin another week but, for sure, and after watching him so OBVIOUSLY deteriorate. physically. as the first half wore on, the Coach should have told him “I admire you’re guts, jay, but you’re not right and it’s hurting the team .Sit down.” to start the second half.

      I know I’m not the only one who believes that, given the 2nd entire half, McCown’s mobilty would have defanged the Lions growing pocket pressure, kept the Bears offense on the field longer and would have probably produced a victory.

      Opportunity lost.

      That said, let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.

      Learn from it.

      Move on.

      • el_caney

        Totally agree, Tresman should learn that not only calling plays can run a TEAM.and then moving on as saying above

  • Adam Truelove

    I agree with the Trestman blame, but there is NO WAY IN HELL you can expect a starting QB in the NFL to sit out a game if he feels he can go. And once he’s on the field, it’s even harder to get him off unless he can’t walk.

    • DaBearsBlog

      That’s exactly what he should do. Because he knew he COULD NOT GO.

      • Doc Nitty

        How can you say he knew he could not go? He damn near almost won us the game? You don’t know that. You’re killing me, Jeff.

      • AlbertInTucson

        You do not and cannot know that. As I posted elsewhere in greater detail on this thread, odds are better that Cuter fooled himself into thinking he was good to go.

        Players want to play. it’s a given.

      • bearsfantillend

        i am with you Jeff, he should have taken himself out of the game, and since he didnt Trestman should have earlier. It is not like we have some inept clusterfuck as backup, ie Caleb Hanie. We have a backup that just gave us 6 quarters of competent and inspired football that we all were praising for the last weeks.

        • Adam Truelove

          It is utterly ridiculous to think a starting QB in the NFL will take himself out of a game.

      • Adam Truelove

        I don’t believe he did know. I can only assume he felt no pain and full mobility throughout the week as well as before the game. Also, he performed well in the first half. Once he started to become less effective, Trestman should have pulled him.

    • SC Dave

      A professional would do exactly that. Jeff is right.

      • Adam Truelove

        You misunderstand the NFL.

  • Doc Nitty

    Dave, reposted from a reply to your reply on the last thread:

    If I thought I had a better chance to lead us to victory than McCown, I would have stayed in. But the competitor in him makes it hard to admit to himself that McCown was the better option. I’d say that makes him too competitive for his own good but not selfish.

    I’m just sick of everything the guy does getting pissed on. When he was trying to come back early from the injury, I heard certain people say that it was only because it was a contract year and he knew that he wouldn’t have a chance at the big money if he didn’t play. I mean, Jeez. No matter what the guy does, it’s spun in a negative light. It’s so transparent. When he was playing great earlier in the season, people were saying it was because it was a contract year. I mean what the fuck? The guy can’t even play well without getting crucified.

    • DaBearsBlog

      So wait. I’m a Cutler apologist when I love the guy week after week, game after game, and now I’m anti-Cutler? Did you watch the game physically with your eyes? Did you think that was a ready to play Jay Cutler?

      • Doc Nitty

        I’m referring to this: “Trestman can call plays. But can he lead an organization? Cutler can throw every pass on the field. But can he lead an offense? The actions of both men Sunday might lead one to question their futures in Chicago.”

        And this after you yourself cited about a dozen other reasons why we lost.

        I’m also sick of people acting like they know a players motives. You don’t say it directly, but you implied, and others have stated, that Cutler playing today had something to do with his contractual situation. Couldn’t be because he thought playing gave the team the best chance of winning could it?. Isn’t playing at the risk of further injury because you thought you gave the team the best chance to win exactly what a leader does? And you want to question his leadership because of it.

        It’s like I said earlier. When he was playing great earlier in the season, people were saying it was because it was a contract year. When he hurried back from injury it was because it was a contract year. When he didn’t play in the NFC championship game because he didn’t think he could lead his team to victory, he was a pussy who didn’t care about winning. When he does come in and play at less than 100% it’s because he only cares about money. Such bullshit.

        Cutler thought he could do it and he almost did. His overconfidence was a factor in why we lost. Just like all the other factors, like Slauson holding on the Forte Touchdown and Alshon’s dropped T.D.’s but you’re ready to pin the blame on him and question Trestmans leadership because of one bad game. I just don’t get it. You’re smarter than that, Jeff.

    • SC Dave

      Not sure how to reply Doc. If “too competitive for his own good” ends up being bad for *his team*, then how is it not selfish?

      I had turned a corner on Cutler earlier this year – you probably remember. But this sent me back the other way Doc.

      • Doc Nitty

        selfish is when you know the other guy would be better but you stay in. What I mean by too competitive is he thought, even with the injury, that he gave the team a better chance to win. He was blinded by overconfidence. It’s a common trait among hyper competitve uber-talented athletes.

        • SC Dave

          Okay, I get where you’re coming from Doc. And of course, not being Jay Cutler, I cannot say you are right or wrong. I’ll let it rest here.

    • el_caney

      Maybe you are right, but it was the “bad blood” around him that makes jumping to conclutions. but certanly humility should help to his case acknwledge he could worse his groin jumping out there. at the end you have a point if he would won this discussion is pointless.

  • Doc Nitty

    Just read your post, Jeff.

    SMH. You gotta be kidding me.

    • AlbertInTucson

      So THAT’S what that rattling sound was, Doc.
      JUST kidding!
      As you may have noticed, SMH, too.

  • Stafford Dead

    I’m going to change the title of the article:
    Trestman, Tucker, Cutler, an aging and injured Defense, a shitty kickoff return unit, 2 Dropped perfectly thrown TD passes, running a slant on the 2 with your TE when he has a CB one on one, not kicking a field goal, averaging 2 yards a carry, trying to score a 2pt conversion with Dante Rosario, Tony Fiammetta and Matt Forte running pass patterns, trying to score a two point conversion against one of the best D lines in the game by running the ball which up to that point had been completely ineffective, Cost Bears Crucial Home Win
    That is all.

    • defense actually did alright today. giving up 21 points to the Lions is a pretty admirable job considering what we were expecting.

      • Stafford Dead

        agree to a point, then to give up an 80yd drive in the final minutes of the 4th quarter? Not cool.

        • no. not cool at all. but would that drive have even mattered if the offense didn’t shit the bed on the red zone int, the holding call on forte’s TD, and alshon’s drops?

  • TheBigCheesy

    Cutler shouldn’t have played a minute of this game because the Bears have gotten better quarterback play from McCown this year than they have from Cutler. Period. Obviously if Cutler is 100% healthy, you have to play him, even if you feel like McCown gives you a better chance to win; there is just no defense for a move like that if it blows up in your face. However, if you’ve got the excuse (or the reality) of Cutler’s limited mobility, you have to play McCown. I understand that you need to see what Cutler is made of this year, but why don’t you wait until AFTER perhaps the biggest game of the season.

    Jeff, you spent all week repeating “Cutler is the starter; if he’s healthy, he should start” when so many others thought McCown was the smart/safe play. I understand that you’ll argue that you were misled to believe that he was healthier than he really is, but I don’t think that’s even relevant; obviously Cutler wasn’t gonna be totally healthy. Obviously he wasn’t going to be able to move well.

    Josh McCown hasn’t turned the ball over yet. He’s also thrown the ball all over the field. He’s not as good as Jay Cutler, but he’s been better than Cutler this year. It was a no-brainer.

    You can’t blame Jay Cutler for not playing. Players, especially quarterbacks, have played on with injuries that were as severe and more severe than with what Cutler appeared to be dealing with. I am definitely of the opinion that those players should sit, because it’s the NFL and if a hobbled starter can play better than a healthy backup, then something is wrong. However, that’s not how the players see it, and they go back in there with significant injuries (and dangerous head injuries) all the time. On top of that, Cutler is watching his contract get smaller and smaller with every successful drive Josh McCown has. He has to get back out there.

    However, I thought it was damaging for them to pull Cutler after playing him until the very last drive. I think if you go with Jay for that long, you should just let him ride it out. They should have started McCown, or pulled Cutler at halftime, or just let him finish the game. That was really strange for them to make the call on the final drive. That couldn’t have felt good for Jay to watch McCown march down the field for the score after he struggled all day.

    • Stafford Dead

      they didn’t make the final call. Jay did.
      he didn’t struggle all day long. He struggled later in the 2nd half and still had them in a position to win with 2 incredible balls to Alshon that were dropped. One coming on 3rd and goal from the 12 I believe after starting 1st and goal from the 20.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Which final call are you talking about? The decision for him to start, or the decision to for him to sit for the final drive?

        • Stafford Dead

          final drive.
          Before that final drive Jay had put balls into WR’s hands that would have resulted in game winning scores.

  • gpldan

    It’s this simple:

    Why watch a season play out when experimenting with the QB to clarify next year’s contract is more important than winning the game at hand?

    Because that was what we saw. We saw Trestman serving Emery’s wishes to allow Cutler to play so they have the data they need at contract time. That is more important than winning this season; because this is a throwaway season.

    So, you know, as a fan – I cannot get behind an organization that isn’t playing for this season. Not playing McCown at halftime says – loud and clear – we want videotape more than a win.

    Really – one of the more transparently disgusting games as a fan I’ve ever watched. Ditka would have had none of that, not to go there – but I just did. Wow. Hard to care about a team that doesn’t care about its city. Feel bad for the players out there today.

    • SC Dave

      Damn…

    • Doc Nitty

      Ridiculous.

    • Stafford Dead

      that’s crazy talk man. Not your best stuff

  • BerwynBomber

    Should make for an interesting week at Papa Bear Hall. The irony of Cutler going today and not going in the NFC Championship is certainly rich. And before the Cutler fanatics bite my head off, note that I am not passing judgment on either … merely saying that it is rich irony.
    The good news is that the Ravens are coming to town, Ray Rice is now a shell of himself, their O is anemic and they are a franchise in transition/rebuild mode. Older Harbaugh still scares me (dude’s a proven HC) and Flacco is capable of a couple/few moments, but this is a team we should beat regardless of who is QBing among our #1 or #2. If we don’t win, and Detroit is victorious, then it is time to get nervous. Does not look like a year when the Norris division will have a wildcard team.

    • BerwynBomber

      P.S. Wouldn’t be shocked if Detroit goes down at Pittsburgh next week. The latter seems notably improved from when we saw them earlier in the year.

      • tobijohn

        Very possible. Upon further review, if Rogers can make it back for the Thanksgiving game, I could see the Lions going 3-4 the rest of the way. That means we have to go 5-2. If it plays out that way then depending on how Green Bay does, that last game of the season against them is potentially huge….

        • BerwynBomber

          Yep, good points. Though I sense Rodgers will not be ready by then. A) Broken bones seem pretty set timeline recoveries (unlike strains, sprains, mild tears, etc.) and B) the Cheese usually error on the side of caution in terms of not rushing their guys back. For him to play T-Day, would be less than four weeks after a broken collar bone. So I would be a bit surprised. But hey, as the guy who posts here from Tuscon reminded me (when I was optimist about Cutler’s injury not being as serious as some thought) I’m no doctor.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Thanksgiving is a short week of prep.most “experts’ don’t see Rodgers being ready for Turkey Day,

    • Stafford Dead

      It’s not ironic because you have to remember that Jay didn’t make the call not to come back in during the 2010 game. The call was made for him. Right?

      • BerwynBomber

        Why did I think you could not refrain from commenting? Give it a rest, man. You are way too sensitive about Cutler.

        • Stafford Dead

          dude, look at my comment, it’s not crazy. Is it a valid point or not? It’s calm, coherent and is factually correct.

          • bearsfantillend

            LOL yep you are the only sane person with 100% accurate and factual comments. BTW that is sarcasm to the 1000th degree

        • Stafford Dead

          by the way, look at the crazy ass comments I am actually responding to from these other guys.
          I’ve seen:
          a. Cutlers not a true professional
          b.. Cutler lost the game for the Bears
          c. Cutler is selfish
          d. Cutler should have been pulled in the first half????
          That is just crazy talk and I am not going to let it stand without trying to throw a little context or common sense about the game of football into the mix to get people to stop that kind of insanity. People love to throw absolutes around as if it’s gospel and it’s bullshit.

          • BerwynBomber

            Oh, I understand confronting some of that silliness but disputing the irony of the fallout from today in context of the fallout from the NFC title game is a bit of a fool’s folly — in my opinion at least. Anyway, no big deal. We can agree to disagree. And both games are now in the rearview. Time to get ready for Baltimore. And FWIW, I’m hoping Jay’s our starter next Sunday. Much as I like McCown — and hey the dude might have saved our season — I sense his magical touch could go missing next week. Just a hunch.

          • SC Dave

            My hunch goes the other way, BB, but what the hell. eh? I really dont give a shit so long as the good guys win.

          • bearsfantillend

            People love to throw absolutes around as if it’s gospel. Like Cutler threw 2 “perfectly thrown” TD passes that were just dropped by Jeffery, and no defense could have prevented them from being catches. These drops are no where near the easy catches you make them out to be, you make them seem like they were drops like this:
            http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d823b0423/Pick-six-Jackie-Smith-drop

          • Waffle

            dude, if you don’t think those two passes to Jeffery were perfect you’re crazy. Trestman went out of his way to mention that TD drop over the middle. The fade was a perfectly thrown ball to the corner in the only place Jeffery could have caught it.
            A perfectly thrown ball doesn’t mean Cutler’s perfect you fucking douche. A perfectly thrown ball doesn’t mean that defenders can’t play defense on it, just that it’s hard to defend because it’s perfectly thrown.
            Do me a favor and shut the fuck up.

          • bearsfantillend

            hmmm.. so disappointing, again with the name calling. Is someone not able to have a grown up conversation and debate without it devolving into name calling?

            Oh no, watch out, someone has a different opinion or view as you, that person must be a, using your terms, a retarded fucking douche. LOLOLOL

          • SC Dave

            It gets like that about Cutler. The Jay part is always “perfect”, and its the schlubs like Forte, Marshall, and Jeffrey always to blame.

        • MB30SD

          uhhhh… it was a totally different injury maing. A blown up knee vs. a groin. Ligament vs. muscle.

  • AlbertInTucson

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  • john graham

    One wonders why I just don’t get it.It reminds me of playing RG 111 last year when he should have sat down.One announcer said on the play calling they out smarted them selves.The defense looks like they are inching back.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, the D wasn’t embarrassing today. Bush still gashed them but holding the kittens to 21 is not bad.

  • Waffle

    A couple of things that we have to remember:
    1. The Lions hit Cutler 11 times and McCown a couple of times. That’s way too many. I don’t think we got 11 hits on a qb in 3 games. The line was under duress all day and i’m sure they feel a little responsible for this loss.
    2. McCown audibled into the run on the 2pt conversion. I don’t know if we’ll ever know the pass play that was called but it was confirmed that McCown chose the run on that play and Garza got worked. Very similar to the loss of yards earlier in the game on 4th and 2 instead of FG play.

    • bearsfantillend

      How many of the hits would not have happened if a healthy mobile QB was in the game? Maybe having a QB in the pocket that could move within the pocket could have prevented those hits.

      • Waffle

        The hits were right after the pass you fucking douche. Unless Cutler can somehow jump out of the way while he’s in the middle of his passing motion or follow through. Holy shit what the fuck are you talking about. McCown got blown up as well and he’s perfectly mobile. The hits were during the throwing motion. What the fuck are you talking about?
        Look at my posts, I called out Trestman for the playcall and merely pointed out that McCown chose to go with the run option against a D that was killing us on run D all game. Shut the fuck up.

        • bearsfantillend

          Evidently you don’t understand the concept of a mobile Quarterback, or a QB that can move in the pocket. Cutler was a statue back there, while a QB that can move around might have been able to slide in the pocket to avoid pressure and avoid getting hit right after a throw. I am in no way saying that McCown would not have ever gotten hit. So there is no need to go all psycho because someone questioned you comments.

          • SC Dave

            You’re wasting you time dude. Don’t feed the troll.

          • SC Dave

            Calling out McCown on choosing one of the two plays is the deflection from the fact that had Cutler been in there, we’d never have got down the field to make it matter.

  • BerwynBomber

    Anyone else getting a little tired/apprehensive about Trestman not passing up any fourth and shorts in enemy territory. Hey, I get it if you are w/in the ten yard line. But at the thirty? With no guarantee you will cash in on six even if you convert? And with arguably the best kicker in the league standing on the sideline? I say take the points.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Not always, perhaps, but certainly as early in a game as THAT came.

      That possible/probable 3 got bigger and gigger as the game wore on.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Your words, Blogfather.

    From

    “Jay Cutler looks…okay.”

    to

    “Jay Cutler should not have played a single snap Sunday.”

    Talk about “20-20 Hindsight” !

    The latter quote is something you post BEFORE the game starts.

    Cutler fooled everybody.

    He fooled the trainers.

    He fooled his Coach.

    He fooled you.

    And guess who else he fooled?

    Himself!

    Ladanian Tomlinson discussed this on the NFL NET’s post game.
    You can feel great in warmups but the hits take a toll. A bad groin cost LT a post season game so he speaks for experience.

    That said, not relieving Cutler, certainly at halftime, when it became plain to even the casual observer that something was wrong was plain ignorant.

    • DaBearsBlog

      He stopped fooling me in the second quarter when it took him seven minute to walk to the sidelines. This is what I don’t understand. It was obvious he was hurt in the first half. Hell, the announcers thought McCown was going to start the third quarter.

      • AlbertInTucson

        No disagreement with that statement. They certainly didn’t need Dr. James Andrews to fly in for a 2nd opinion, either.

        The car had a flat tire but the driver decided to keep riding on it despite a perfectly good spare in the trunk. And it was a full-size spare. Not one of those little “Donut / 35 MPH limit” pieces of crap.

        • MB30SD

          NICE analogy Al!!

          • SC Dave

            No shit. Right on the fucking money.

  • Cormonster

    Yyiij

    • AlbertInTucson

      Pardon my internet shorthand ignorance, Cor. but

      “Yyiij” ?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Saints 49. Cowboys 17. 5+ minutes to go.

    Tony Romo is still in the game because…?

    Normally I would say

    “Welcome to ‘The Jason Garrett Farewell Tour’ ”

    but with Jerra Jones, who knows?

    • BerwynBomber

      Noticed that too. Mentally challenged-liked dumb. And Romo is a guy who has taken massive punishment over the years. Their line is almost always bottom-of-the-league porous. Anyway, Garrett sucks. And Jerry Jones is an egotistical moron. I would be surprised if that franchise does anything unless a) he sells the team, or b) steps away from the GM/FB operations.

    • Doc Nitty

      Introducing the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, Lovie Smith.

  • MB30SD

    sorry to do this cause I like you dave, but I read your responses to me on the last thread, and I’m still pissed about this damn game…

    you have GOT to be fucking kidding me dave?! What is it with you man… do you not read any one of the hundreds of sports writer blog posts, and/or articles, and/or sports show quips (or even just watch the fucking games with your own eyes) about chris fucking conte over the last 5-7 weeks (yes FIVE to SEVEN weeks).

    I am seriously blown the fuck away that you are still on that guy’s fucking dilz after he has ONE decent game out of the last 7. I know you know the saying about expecting diff. results.

    Dude literally had one **decent** fucking game out of the last fucking 7 and you’re back sucking his dick. He’s FUCKING TERRIBLE DUDE!!! TE-RRI-BLE!

    Dave, before I start thinking you’re either completely insane, or sleeping with Mr. Conte, I want you to watch this video. Start at the 1:05 mark and tell me who’s fucking fault this run setting up the TD is. I’ll fucking wait for you to come back and tell me that it was chris fucking conte and his pathetic angles and abjectly disgusting excuse for tackling….

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013111002/2013/REG10/lions@bears#menu=highlights&tab=recap

    jesus dude,. smmfhay

    • MB30SD

      ok, i feel a bit better. sorry dave. can’t stand conte.

      • MB30SD

        oh, and thank god for peanut… even though he had a shit game today.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Yeah, 1 pass break up in the endzone, big play it was, and 1 INT on a terrible throw hardly makes up for the rest of Conte’s forgettable season-to-date.

    • SC Dave

      Yeah, that goddamn Conte cost us another game!

      • MB30SD

        he cost us one of the three… does that count?

        smh.

  • Bearsfan_4_Decades

    This is on Trestman, but Cutler owed his team his best, and since it wasn’t anywhere near game-ready, should have sat himself. Had Josh started, we would have won.
    End of story.

    Now cutler’s out indefinitely. In a contract year, it is impossible not to notice that Josh is performing, per end RESULTS, just as well as cutler, and for 1/10th of the money.
    Just sayin’ …

    • SC Dave

      +several at least

  • bearsfantillend

    I keep hearing Cutler made 2 “perfectly” thrown TD passes that were dropped. At least one of those passes was also defended perfectly. The TD that got overturned in the corner of the end zone, the lions defender had his hand in between Jeffery’s hands and was able to knock it loose. How can that be perfectly thrown? If the situation was flipped and it was a Bears player with his hand in there we would be claiming it was perfectly defended. But somehow now its a perfect ball and Jeffery just dropped it. That does not make sense to me. Unfortunately the on the other dropped TD i cant quite remember it perfectly. I do think he should have made the catch but i don’t remember how it was defensed. I could not find video of the play to verify. So if anyone has video of either play that proves me wrong I would love to see it. People keep saying that Jeffery just dropped these passes, when there was a defense on the field at the time preventing a catch. Jeffery was not wide open by any means on either drop of the “perfectly thrown” passes.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Agree on the overturned TD call.

      THAT was no drop. The defender had an arm in there.

      However, the first one on a post pattern at the goal line was a classic case of “It-hit him right in the hands and he dropped it.”

      • bearsfantillend

        Thanks, like is said i don’t remember the play very well, but i remember thinking that it was a catch that should have been made, but did not remember the coverage.

    • Waffle

      once again you fucking retard a pass can be perfectly thrown and still be defended well by the defender. The ball came loose when Jefferey came down and the ball hit the guys body while he was laying on the ground.
      Jeffery owned him physically, caught a great ball from Cutler and it came loose when the ball hit the guy on the hip. What is your fucking problem?

      • bearsfantillend

        WOW, someone’s panties got all twisted up and filled with sand. CHILL! there is no need to resort to name calling especially from someone as CALM and SANE as yourself. Listen i am just pointing out even a “perfectly thrown” pass can be defended and was defended. you kept saying as your key point in defending Cutler being in the game was that he threw 2 TDs that were dropped. All i wanted you to understand is that one pass was perfectly defended.

        • Doc Nitty

          Waffle’s a little grumpy. I think his point is, if I may, that the incompletion was more a fluke than a perfectly defended pass. It looked to me like Jeffery had it and it hit the dude’s helmet on the way down. Flukey. But the major point is, Cutler put the ball on target and his guy, for whatever reason, didn’t get the job done. So Cutler and his gimpiness cannot be blamed for that.

          • bearsfantillend

            You don’t need to be Waffle’s apologist. I will still contend that Cutty should not have been in the game going into the second half. And if Waffle is going to use the fact that he threw 2 TD passes that were dropped, one of which was defended as his main argument for Cutty to still be in the game. i am going to call him out on it. These were only 2 of many plays that lead to the Bears demise. but anytime anyone posted that Cutler should not have been playing, Waffle, would yell “but he threw 2 fucking TDs that were dropped”. We have all seen what a mobile qb can do, defusing pass rush, opening up passing game, opening up the running game. When Cutler is healthy he is mobile, McCown is healthy and mobile. It could have opened up a lot of things if McCown was in earlier.

          • Doc Nitty

            I’m not Waffles apologist, though if you’ve seen him give air-head you might change your stance. I’m just pointing out that Waffles point is, I think, that We probably would have won the game if not for those drops making all of this Cutler shoudn’t-have-played-bullshit moot.

          • bearsfantillend

            you know screw this shit. Waffles crossed a line. I don’t care if someone calls my comments/opinions moronic, stupid, or retarded. but he attacked me personally. one thing that this site has always had was an open debate with out it devolving to name calling. he owes me an apology. lol

      • SC Dave

        4:00 here is a pass much closer to “perfectly thrown”

  • beninnorcal

    Okay, I’m sure someone already said something about it, but I swear, in the last two press conferences, as much as we Bear fans don’t like the Jeffery/Jefferies mispronounciation, pretty sure Trest thinks it’s, well you know…

  • bearsfantillend

    I think the contract arguments are rediculous when it comes to Jay Cutler. There are enough QB needy teams that would be willing to give him a huge contract if Chicago does not bring him back. Don’t you think a teams like Miami, Jacksonville, Arizona, Tampa Bay, and Minnesota would be licking their chops and opening up the check book to get a QB of Cutlers caliber. Good QB’s don’t grow on trees. Hell Matt Flynn got a pretty good contract for 1 great game, then got traded and eventually cut without being a starter. The question comes down to is Chicago willing to pay Cutler market value. Fortunately Chicago has a wild card in its pocket called the Franchise Tag, which means arguing Cutler is playing injured to prove himself worthy of a huge contract is moot. Whether it is by contract or by Tag Cutler is our QB next year, either way we are paying him 15-20 million next year, so he has nothing to prove by playing injured, and the coaching staff/Front Office, should understand that too.

    • johnnywad

      Precisely. Well said

    • Waffle

      they’re playing for a playoff spot that’s why he fucking played.

      • bearsfantillend

        What does that have to do with my comment? i calmly and logically explained why i did not think contract arguments on whether Cutler should have played were a little rediculous.

        • Doc Nitty

          I think he was agreeing with you, mang. Everybody needs to cool the fuck down.

  • Maddbearfan

    All I can say that it was pretty evident by the 4th quarter Jay was have serious mobility issues. And I feel Josh could have been a better choice at this point. The fact that Cutler says he was still good to go when everyone else could see he was struggling falls on the Head coach to get him out of there to give the team the best chance to win the game. And Trestman should have given Josh enuf prep time to be ready to go “Especially” since Jay was coming off a semi-serious injury.

    • SC Dave

      He could not step up or throw the ball correctly as early as the second quarter from what I saw. And really, who besides a certain blogger here would have second-guessed Trestman for starting McCown?

  • Trac

    We all knew that our Defense was suspect for the previous 8 games. We all knew that McCowns performance was cinderella-eske last week, we all knew that Trestman is a gambler, we all knew that Jay has the talent to be a hero or the propensity to make some bonehead decisions. Nobody knew this game would have been lost on what I count as no less that 5 missed opportunities. Sorry but a lot of you guys are letting your emotions get the better or you.

    • SC Dave

      How can you say McCown’s performance was “cinderella-eske”? He came in off the bench against Washington and had perhaps the best QB half of the Bears’ season (though I have not looked up the stats).

      I, among others, stated all week that there was no reason to rush Cutler back when McCown was playing so well. It’s in my posts. And I was not the only one, Trac.

      Perhaps the biggest lost opportunity of all was to rest your starter another week to get fully healthy while beating a division rival to secure first place in the division nine games in because you FINALLY have a backup that can *get the job done*.

      But we’ll see now. Josh will get his chances.

  • AlbertInTucson

    A disappointing game punctuated by equally disappointing Blogfather Post.

    • johnnywad

      Expound Al. I tend to agree with you here but want to know the “why” behind your thought on the post game post. I just can’t believe Jeff even questioned Trestman’s future in Chicago.

      • SC Dave

        Agree on the Trestman part.

  • Big Mike

    Agreed on all counts. Plus Slauson’s hold was a stupid hold. Play was past him. No need at that point.

  • Big Mike

    Here’s what I’m excited about. The defense reappeared. Conte did not suck. LBs got better. We tackled better. Held a high scoring offense to 21. Would have been 14 or less if McCown had played.

    Lost opportunity absolutely. Arrow pointing up I believe.

    • MB30SD

      Was very happy with d progress. Not sure what precipitated the change but I’ll take it. Lbs played much better as did the line. Peanut had one of his off games unfortunately and always seemed to be out of position or stumbling on big catches/tds.

      And yeah that’s what you want from your starting fs… when you’re ecstatic he just didn’t suck and lose the game for you. .. again. Smh.

      Oh btw, how many of you clapped when steltz replaced wright?

      • Big Mike

        I actually thought about you, when Wright went out. Conte, not sucking is a good deal for now.

        I really don’t feel bad about this loss. Not sure why. Probably because we beat the Packers. I feel a run coming on. 4-5 game winning streak.

        • Trac

          I’m right with you. If we had of just crapped the bed yesterday then I’d be escared but we gave away a victory due to mental errors.

  • MB30SD

    Hey trac… so how do you feel about your lions?

    We DEFINITELY should have beaten them and basically pissed the game away. And our d and specials are below par And our qb was badly hobbled the entire 2nd half.

    IF they do hold up down the stretch. .. and I don’t think they will (and I haven’t even looked at their schedule), they’ll get blown out in rd one by a real team. Their d is good but Stafford just chucking it up and praying to megatron is pretty much thier main weapon. A good run d will easily shut down their run game. Not very impressed maings.

    • Trac

      My team? I was just the voice crying out in the wilderness MB and nobody wanted to listen. Yes we gave them the default win but they were a good enough team to capitalize on what they were given. We just weren’t good enough to overcome our mistakes. Therein lies the difference between our two ball clubs right now. The good thing about all of that is our issues are correctable for the most part. The question I would have to ask now is, can we improve enough to make a run down the stretch? The answer I think is a moderate yes with a few if’s.

      • MB30SD

        ok, another question… if cutty and trest didn’t pull that weirdness about keeping him in and McCown came in for the second half… think we win?

        • Trac

          If Slauson doesn’t get called for a bonehead hold, think we win? A question for a question.

          If grasshoppers had machine guns birds wouldn’t mess with them. That’s what my drill instructor used to tell us anyhow’s.

  • Waffle

    I’ve had enough of this shit. I’m off for a week so feel free to just act like Yahoo posters. I won’t be around to call you out for being city worker meat head mentality fucking tools.
    Don’t think about the playcalling, don’t think about the drops, don’t think about the anemic run game, don’t think about the last minute 80 yd drives, don’t think about any of it. Blame one guy and blame his motives and it will make you feel better.
    Fucking pussies.

    • bearsfantillend

      REALLY, AWE MAN, that really disappoints me.

      • MB30SD

        stop being a dbag dude.

        • bearsfantillend

          i agree that was a dbag move. I apologize for it, it was a personal attack, i should not respond like that to someone calling me fucking retarded fucking douche.

        • SC Dave

          What the fuck, MB? Waffle has been an asshat and asshole since the game, and you’re going to jump someone for calling his ass out on it? Really?!

          • bearsfantillend

            My comment was really uncalled for so i deleted it. i could have left things go and diffused the situation but i didn’t. but it still does no come near Waffle use of language against me, but i am going to be the bigger man.

  • NewBearInTown

    I can’t blame the D for this one. They gave a pick that put us on the 9 yard line to start a drive. They held the very potent Lions offense to just 21 points. Calvin Johnson had less than 100 yards. They did their jobs in this game.
    I can’t blame special teams either. They got us reasonable field position throughout – Hester returned the ball 20+ yards from the endzone more than once. Again, nothing spectacular, but they did their jobs.
    The offense lost the game. That goes for everyone. Forte wasn’t getting anything in the run game. The line wasn’t protecting well enough. Jeffery had 9 catches, but he also had a couple of important drops. Brandon Marshall had a good game, but none of our other weapons really stepped up and shined.
    And then there is Cutler. I agree with Jeff, Cutler probably should have been pulled at half time. Maybe he tries to work through the pain in the 2nd quarter, but Trestman should have pulled him at the half and taken all of halftime to get the team ready to come out with McCown.
    Jeff is wrong on this one though. Cutler’s not pulling himself out. RGIII was in much worse shape and he wasn’t going to pull himself. Brett Favre made a career of not pulling himself, likewise Ben Roethlisberger over in Pittsburgh now. Peyton Manning took a hit this week and finished the game, now they’re saying he might not play next week.
    Players want to play, its a warrior mentality – its the coach’s job to tell someone to sit down. Do you want Earl Bennett telling coaches to pull him on a play because Tony Fiametta is a better matchup against a safety? Do you want Frey asking to sit down so the team can put three linebackers on the field? Of course not! That’s the coaches job. Pulling Cutler was Trestman, Kromer, and whoever else is part of that decision’s responsibility.
    Where do we stand? Amazingly, San Francisco is the 6th seed after losing to the Panthers, who are now sitting at #5. The Panthers have NE, @Miami and TB in the next three weeks, so they could easily be 9-3 after that, but they still play New Orleans twice. The Niners play at New Orleans next week, which could help us out, but I have a hard time believing we win one more game than San Francisco this year.
    We’re two back from Detroit because of the tie-breaker. We’re tied with Green Bay, but if we sweep them this year, we win that tie-breaker. Even the NFC East is only half a game behind us.
    Long story short – we need to win a lot of games and we need some help to make the playoffs. We need either Detroit, Carolina or San Francisco to fall apart for a couple of weeks to get us back into contention. Otherwise, we’ll finish the season somewhere around where we were last year: one of the best teams in the league to just miss the playoffs.

    • Trac

      Subjectively speaking, Trestman had to authority to not let Cutty play, pull him or defer to the leader of his offense to make the call. Trust is a prerequisite for Championship caliber organizations. You trust the leader of your offense to make the decision on whether or not to play or whether or not to pull him. When the Team is suffering defeat due to a physical ailment or flat out shoddy play, then you are within your right as a coach to make the call necessary at the appropriate time but honestly, neither one of those two things were taking place. Cutty was hobbled but he wasn’t in such bad shape that it was an obvious decision that needed to be made. Trestman didn’t think it was appropriate to pull Cutty until he did and as a fan, I have to respect that and hope that this is a lesson learned by all involved and that some Character was built yesterday.

      • SC Dave

        Excellently stated, Trac. Maybe Marc and Jay both learned something.

        I hope so.

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