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Bears Can No Longer Play Defense, Spoil Courageous Offensive Effort.

| October 21st, 2013

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Did you ever think the day would come? Did you ever think we’d be sitting here post game discussing an offense so good they can put up forty with a backup quarterback and a defense so bad they can’t make that number stick? Well that’s exactly where we are.

Rapid fire thoughts.

  • This is a bad defense. There’s no way around it. They don’ stop the run. They don’t stop the pass. And occasionally they leave miles and miles of space around opposing wide receivers.
  • Chris Conte isolated near the goal line on a play where the Bears were clearly lined up incorrectly?
  • Charles Tillman allowing a prayer bomb to be an easy touchdown?
  • Major Wright? At all times?
  • Bears are getting nothing in the pass rush from the defensive end position.
  • Losing Lance Briggs hurt but the defense wasn’t exactly playing well with him on the field.
  • Gutsy effort, Josh McCown.
  • Offensive stars showed their muscle today. Forte was brilliant. Trestman coached a magnificent second half. Marshall, Jeffery, Martellus and Earl covered for the loss of Cutler by upping their game. Today was the kind of game that reaffirms the need for an NFL organization to load up on offensive weaponry. With the right pieces in place a team can survive any injury on offense.
  • Devin Hester didn’t NEED blocking today! Side note on Hester: I don’t want to hear fans say he’s lost it anymore. If he’s lost it someone better tell the Bears’ opponents every week. They don’t buy it.
  • Robbie Gould picked the wrong moment to miss his first field goal.
  • The offside on the onside kick was a poor call. Mike Pereira coming on FOX and affirming that call was a bit of a joke.
  • I saw so many of the Bears’ beat writers criticizing Cutler for the interception on Twitter. Is that possible? What feed is being shown in the press box? Alshon Jeffery makes that catch fifteen out of sixteen times.

There is more details to analyze but right now the Bears season is about one thing: Cutler’s health status. If word comes down – as is expected – that he’s out for a long period of time the 2013 season becomes something of a lost cause. If the injury is less serious and Cutler can get back onto the field in fifteen days, there might be hope.

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  • BearFanInDE

    Time to start looking at April?Mariota, Bridgewater, Hundley, Manziel, Tajh Boyd?

    • Willie

      Annoying.

    • Waffle

      I KNEW IT WAS COMING. I knew this type of idiotic fucking comment was fucking coming. God damn it you fucking people are stupid.. The defense gives up 45 and 500yds and loses half of it’s starting D line up over several games and you’re talking about a fucking college quarterback in the draft. A motherfucking college fucking quarterback????? Not D line, not D end, not Safety, not Corner, nope, a fucking college fucking quarterback.

      • come on. look at this logically. mister manziel’s nickname is johnny FOOTBALL. they nicknamed the kid after the sport he plays!

      • BearFanInDE

        Waffle.. That was meant to be sarcastic.. Chill bro!

        • Waffle

          Delaware, i apologize but the reason i took it as serious was because here in Chicago mouth breathing city workers actually call in on the radio and talk about this shit and are dead serious.

      • CanadaBear

        Johnny take a pill! Unless the Beloved and Cutler can’t agree on money, he’s not going anywhere. At the very least they will franchise him.

      • Trac

        Really, after putting up as many points as we did, how in thee heck can people seriously criticize the offense?

    • EnderWiggin

      Lame.. Extend Cutler now for an even bigger discount. Wait until the third or fourth round to take a project.

      • Waffle

        let’s be honest. When was the last time a “project” was taken and worked out for the team in as a player and not just a trade piece for a desperate team. We don’t have the luxury nor the staff to develop that kind of player. We are decimated by injury and will be further decimated by age and expiring contracts. Every player taken in this upcoming draft in the first 4 rds will probably need to be a need that is addressed on D.

        • brady went in round 6, a whole round later than renowned world-beater nathan enderle.

          • Waffle

            Brady is a hall of fame player. Besides the hall of fame player please name a late round draft pick that was developed and then played in meaningful games for a football team. It doesn’t happen my man.

          • Marc Bulger – 6th Round.
            Mark Brunell – 5th Round.
            Brad Johnson – 9th Round.
            Matt Hasselbeck – 6th Round.
            Bart Starr – 17th Round.

            Obviously there are hundreds more busts than hits. But it can be done. Be that as it may, I still want Cutty back there. So fingers crossed for good MRI results!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Better examples.

          • i aim to please.

        • EnderWiggin

          The last one I can think of is Rogers.

          So, how do we get a DE, two DT, a safety, a corner, and a center in the first four rounds?

          • ryan tannehill was a project taken 8th overall. he has more wins in his first season-and-a-half than rodgers had in his first 3. =]

          • EnderWiggin

            Yeah – Ryan started as a rookie (doesn’t that take him out of project status?). Rogers was still bench-munching Favre’s beaver his first three years fulfilling his project status.

          • he only played 19 games at QB in college. i’d say that makes him a project even though he’s a starter. the same goes for Kyle Long – i’d say he’s still a project. he’s just a damned good one, no?

          • EnderWiggin

            Yeah, I recon.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Poor comparison. Really poor.

          • which part? the project, or the wins total?

          • Waffle

            Rogers was a 1st round pick and was expected to be a top 10 pick.

          • NewBearInTown

            We probably take BPA within that list of positions (more or less) to bring in some young talent. Then we plug in whatever holes are left in FA.
            If Cutler’s injury makes him miss six weeks (let’s say), then the Bears will actually be in great shape in the off-season. They’ll be in a strong negotiating position with Peppers (for a pay cut), Cutler (for a franchise QB deal that doesn’t wipe out the cap) and Melton (for a deal that averages less than the franchise tag). That will leave us with something like $20 million in cap space.
            We’ll have to use that money to sign pretty much the entire defense, but that’s still plenty of money to work with together with the draft.

        • ErikGrogan

          Russel Wilson?

          • Waffle

            Wilson was thought by many to be the best quarterback in college football if not one of the best with only his height keeping him from the first round.
            He was selected and came into camp as direct competition and not a project quarterback.

          • ErikGrogan

            The best quarterback in the draft that slipped to the third round? Give me a break lol

          • Waffle

            jesus erik, read the comment and don’t just change and omit words to suit your comment.

          • NewBearInTown

            The best example of a successful “project” quarterback playing right now is Colin Kaepernick. He was drafted at the top of the second round.
            If he had been brought in to start day 1 for a team like Jacksonville, he might go down as just another bust. But he was given a year and a half to learn from a solid coach and a solid (if not spectacular) starter. He was brought in with weapons around him (mostly a killer line) and a defense to keep scoring expectation appropriate for a first year starter.
            That’s how everyone used to do it. Montana, Favre, Young. It was the norm. What we do these days with guys like Luck and RGIII, that’s new. A lot of talent is getting wasted as a result.

          • ErikGrogan

            I didn’t change or omit anything lol You can’t be the “Best quarterback in college football if not the best,” and slip to the third round.

            Look at how much they paid Matt Flynn and where they drafted Wilson. He wasn’t the plan at all.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, Wilson was by no means considered the best QB in CFB; that discussion came down to two guys: Luck and RGIII. Wilson was considered the best QB in the Big Ten and potentially too short for the NFL.

          • BerwynBomber

            In fact, now that I think about it Wilson might not have even been considered better than Cousins by a good number of the NFL scouts.

          • Waffle

            You keep missing the words “many thought”. I didn’t say it was fucking gospel pal I said that there were people who thought the Big Ten QB of the Year who led his team to the Rose Bowl and the Big 10 Championship among other ACC awards earlier was one of the best quarterbacks in college football. His height was pointed out by scouts, analysts and those in football to be a main contributor to his being left out of the any discussions of going in the first rounds.

        • bearsfantillend

          Brady, Romo, Wilson, Kaepernick, Geno Smith, Schaub, Dalton were all drafted after the first round or undrafted, and all are starters. Some great projects if the team can identify the talent. The Bears issue in the past is that they can not identify talent at the QB position, with Trestman and Emery i think that can change. Also if you look at the success of these “Project” QBs their success all have one thing in common, an O-LINE can protect.

          • SC Dave

            Bingo. This is not the old Halas Hall.

            Not to say we should ditch Cutler by any means, but an insurance policy never hurts. If nothing else, you can groom somebody to trade in a couple years to fill a team need.

        • SC Dave

          We didn’t *used* to have the staff Johnny. It’s a different world at Halas Hall now.

    • 505Bears

      I’m drunk and I’d still rather have Cutty….You turncoat ass

      • DaMurph

        with you on that, I’m willing to bet Manziel is a flop in the NFL.

  • ErikGrogan

    I still can’t believe McCown showed up the way he did. Holy. Crap.

    • trestman turned rich gannon into rich gannon. maybe he can do something with this McCown kid.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Um, had to break it to you, Ev, but this is McCown’s ELEVENTH season in the NFL which puts him WAAAAY past “Kid”.

        • i know. but wasn’t rich gannon in his 18th season or something before trestman took hold of him?

  • Shady

    Offense: Solid effort, especially from McCown who looked ready to play. He’d clearly been preparing for that moment.

    Defense: You call that defense? I knew it was bound for a drop off this season, but that was historically bad. An embarassing performance all around. Unacceptable.

    Specials: Besides the Hester return, it was nothing special. Still missing Toub.

    Jay: Get well, get well soon. We want you to get well.

    • mel tucker.

      let’s hope that trestman isn’t to defense what lovie was to offense.

      • Scharfinator

        It’s hard not to question the hiring of any coaching staff coming out of Jacksonville….

  • Ufficio


    And occasionally they leave miles and miles of space around opposing wide receivers.

    True. On the other hand, they ALWAYS leave miles and miles of space around opposing tight ends.

    • SC Dave

      Yeah, the scheme ain’t what it used to be with a freak in there at MLB. And I say freak in the nicest way I know how.

  • bigrobstunner

    I was at the game… Sad how the D was leaving whole halves of the field uncovered…. Devin is the man!! The long lofting touchdown Conte got pushed down like a little bitch… no call…. the offsides on the onside kick didn’t happen….. what was the ref seeing?!??!?!…. really believed we were going to pull that win off despite the horrible defensive effort… so many thoughts….

    • Shady

      Lotta Bears fans in the house?

      • bigrobstunner

        half and half at least, was a great showing! Skins fans were commenting all day on how many fans were there…. would have been glorious to bring home a victory…

  • Trac

    When a team loses to or has trouble putting away the bad teams, they are not a good team. Sooooo, given all the injuries we now have, I suggest Tucker shit cans Lovie’s Defensive scheme and terminology and implements his own. Put your own stamp on it Mr. Tucker or hand in your resignation please.

    • there’s been a lot of talk around here of Mel using the bye week to really put his stamp on things. he came in, tried not to rock the boat, and now we’re left with a defense that’s giving up almost 400 yards a game.

      let me say that again.

      our defense is giving up almost 400 yards a game.

      fix it, mel. or, like Trac said, walk out the same door used by Terry Shea, Ron Turner, Mike Martz, and Mike Tice.

  • Trac

    Oh and by the way, Green Bay is in first place and technically with are in third place with 13 plus days to opine over a disappointing loss.

  • CanadaBear

    Technically speaking, we’re fucked!

    • AlbertInTucson

      C’mon, Canada. Don’t soft-pedal it like that.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Devin Hester didn’t NEED blocking today! ”

    Huh? What?

    You cannot seriously be saying he makes that return without good blocking by the rest of the guys on the ST unit? The kind of blocking that’s been MIA most of the season? Without that wall down the right side he does not get there.

    “Charles Tillman allowing a prayer bomb to be an easy touchdown?”
    Really. Even money that’s when Tillman’s knee gave out again because I’m pretty sure that was his last appearance of the day.

    “The offside on the onside kick was a poor call. Mike Pereira coming on FOX and affirming that call was a bit of a joke.”
    No, it wasn’t a bit of a joke. It was an HORRIFIC comment. It was hard to hear in the bar but, did Pereira not admit it wouldn’t have been called had they kicked away?

    Huh?

    It’s either offside or it isn’t, Mike.

    “This is a bad defense. There’s no way around it. They don’ stop the run. They don’t stop the pass. And occasionally they leave miles and miles of space around opposing wide receivers.”
    It’s easy to say, “Look at all the injuries”.
    But , sadly, the Packers have also been hit hard by injuries on defense and their defense has been pretty good.

    Injuries aside, the Bears play at safety is killing them.

    As for Chris Conte and the pass rush:

    “The biggest surprise on the Bears defense this year will be the emergence of Chris Conte as one of the game’s best safeties.”

    “The Bears need eighteen sacks out of Shea McClellin,
    Corey Wootton and Henry Melton. I say they get it.”

    Not so much predictions now as wishful thinking, eh, Blogfather?

    • AlbertInTucson

      BTW, the Pack has also been hit hard on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball and are still the top team in the NFC North.

      Ouch.

      • SC Dave

        That’s because their defense does not suck balls.

        • BerwynBomber

          It’s also because Rodgers has proven he can get it done with sub-par offensive groups, whether it be o-line, RBs or receivers, though this year the cheese seems to have a decent find in Lacy.

    • SC Dave

      Plus so many! That sideline reminded me of the Ayanbadejo / Hillenmeyer days – Devin getting out of the shit, and then there being a three to five yard wide “opponent free zone” from around midfield all the way to the end zone.

      THAT was how it’s done.

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  • AlbertInTucson

    Brandon Meriweather needs an extended, unpaid, vacation.

    The guy has not just a history of targeting heads, but a LONG history.

    I say at LEAST $50K and a couple of weeks off.

    • gpldan

      VIP on the Swole is the dirtiest player in football. He makes Jack Tatum look like a choirboy.

    • SC Dave

      Don’t expect it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Guess again, SC. Rumors are already swirling the the NFL has Mr. Meriweather firmly in it’s sights.

  • gpldan

    After watching Cutty go down in slow-mo a couple times now, I am afraid to think what I think may have happened.

    Let’s just say I don’t know that Jay was wearing a cup. And that the Cutlet may be his last kid.

    He looks like he took a full on junk shot with the knee. Gives new meaning to dropping the ball.

    • Cormonster

      I thought the same thing.

    • EnderWiggin

      If you are correct then he will be ready after the bye. I think his foot was planted when he got hit – his whole body was spinning and his foot was still in the turf – probably a groin pull. Me so sad.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Did Robbie actually miss? It looked like it was over the upright to me and that is supposed to be called ‘god’.

    The fact that field goals are not reviewable is mind-bogglingly ignorant.

    • gpldan

      The ball went so high it hit God in the face.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Er, called “Good’. Mea culpa.

    • EnderWiggin

      I always thought that if the ball goes directly over the upright (which it did from both angles), then the FG is good.

  • gpldan

    Buffone and Ed OB were HOT HOT HOT on the Score after the game. They want Tucker’s head.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Tell ’em to suit up. The Bears need some warm bodies.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I’m not a doctor, I just play one on a blog, but the way Cutler hobbled off (and when he got to the tunnel was then carried by 2 guys to a cart) would lead one to believe not just a “pulled” groin, but a “torn” one.

    In any case, the Bears are concerned enough to have re-signed Jordan Palmer before the day’s games had ended.

    • RenoBear

      Unfortunately Al, I believe you are correct…I said the same thing to my wife. I’m not even optimistic of halfway decent news tomorrow. Cutler will be lost for the season. All that being said, as NBIT posted above, the Bears will have great negotiating leverage with Mr. Cutler, they’ll be able to give him a fair deal and not break the bank…

  • gpldan

    5 Signs you may need the 3-4

    Woot Woot is playing your 3-Tech spot, motherfucker is playing inside anyhow
    Paea can play the NT
    Peppers doesn’t belong playing football anymore
    Your 1st round selection is a OLB from a school where he played OLB, shows talent at OLB yet you insist he’s a 4-3 end.
    You got Cohen who is also a NT type of player

    Your pursuit talent, given that Briggs can make it back, are all entirely linebackers.

  • Aaron T. Starks

    The Cutler INT was all on Jeffrey. Throw was up where only he can get it, hit him right in the hands and he bobbled it. On top of that, he wasn’t aware enough to knock it down after the initial bobble.

    I thought it was funny that Trestman called MUCH better plays after Cutler got hurt. Started actually running Forte! Short passes, slants, throwing at SINGLE COVERAGE! It’s as if Trestman closes the playbook when Cutler was in.

    The defense gave up 5 drives of 75 yards or more. FIVE! That’s the reason the Bears lose this game. God-awful defense.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      I agree. As a WR you’re indoctrinated, “If it hits your hands, that’s on you.” Cutler always throws those contested balls, and more often than not, Marshall, Alshon and the Bennetts catch it. That INT wasn’t on Cutler.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cutler could have been picked off twice by Deangelo Hall so I wouldn’t be overly concerned with erasing the Jeffrey INT from his stat sheet. He was probably lucky only to have tossed one INT in his eight attempts prior to the injury.

    • Scharfinator

      I wonder if McCown was just smarter about not changing the plays at the line in comparison go Jay. It’s also possible Trestman didn’t let McCown change out and didn’t have Jay overriding him.

      • Aaron T. Starks

        It’s possible. The plays just looked a lot better designed to get guys open and actually fool the ‘D’. You’re right, maybe Jay switches a lot of plays.

        Don’t get me wrong, whatever Jay was doing was working. He’s been playing fantastic.

    • SC Dave

      Curious that you point out that McCown is throwing at “SINGLE COVERAGE” and its working, but it’s “all on Alshon” when Cutler throws into triple coverage.

      That being said, Alshon certainly could have had that one as the throw itself was just fine.

  • Cormonster

    The Bears defense hasn’t looked this bad since 2009 when the Bengals and Vikings demolished them.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Here’s something to mull over.

    If McCown keeps on posting similar numbers and wins to Cutler earlier this year, would that make them reluctant to give Cutler a huge contract?

    Not that I expect it. The Redskins didn’t prepare at all for McCown, and even if they did,their D is as bad as ours.

    I’ve said it before, but McCown is Cutler-light. Emery will have to truly assess: Is a bigger arm really worth $8M or more per year? Then again, McCown hasn’t shown that he’s clutch over a long period of time, or if he can make the D respect the whole field like w/Cutler.

    Lots of muddled scenarios now. Who would have thought that two potential big FAs (Melton, Cutler) next year would go down. I also think it’s some sick joke that Cutler more or less survived Webb, Carimi, Williams, Martz, but goes down on fluke rare sack behind a solid oline.

    • BerwynBomber

      I sense Cutler’s injury will be semi-minor and he will be ready for GB, but hey, that opinion is almost entirely a hunch.
      In terms of the pending Cutler free agency, it seems like a classic “damned if you do/damned if you don’t” dilemma. He shows flashes of being elite, he shows flashes of being crap and he probably falls somewhere in the average-to-above average realm of NFL starters.
      Guess it will come down to dollars and what Trestman thinks. Cutler seems improved this year but hard to assess whether that is due to Trestman’s coaching or if it is attributable to better offensive weapons and an improved line.

      • Shady

        Not sure what about that injury seemed minor to you, but to me it looked devastating. If he makes it back at all this season it would consider it a small miracle.

      • SC Dave

        I agree with your assessment of Cutler. Better half of the starters in the league. Could that improve with another year or two in a stable offense? Probably.

        As Waffle points out, we need to do something with the defense for sure.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Cannot concur, Dr. Berwyn.

        I wouldn’t look for Cutler to be ready for Green Bay OR Detroit.

        I say the Odds are better that he’s DONE for the year.

        Do you think the Bears basically RAN out the doors of FedEx field and re-signed Jordan Palmer because they think Cutler’s injury is “semi-minor”?

        • BerwynBomber

          Fair enough. I was being overly optimistic.

  • 505Bears

    Disclosure…I am still hammered after that damh game so typos will be there and I may not be coherent…..1. Conte fucking sucks ass!!! No pass defense and got steam rolled on tackling….2. They called a better game for McCown than they did Cutler….or if the plays were about the same, Cutler did not execute…He has a bye week to get better, and if he does not, I say we find someone new. Marshmellow can find a new BFF..You all make too much money not to make plays…3. D and Special Teams did what they could…Great effort, even by Chicken Dinner, by the D. Dudes off the street and rookies held ground. 4. We are still technically tied for first. Cutler, fuckng man up!!

    • Scharfinator

      Effort doesn’t mean shit if you don’t execute. The problem with the D was getting the job done, not whether they had heart.

  • bearsfantillend

    On a side note this new sites comment section is 1000 times better than the old site. KUDOS, Jeff, on a site that is so easy to use and doesn’t hate commenters!!!

  • DaMurph

    Mel Tucker, COME ON MAN!!!!! Do something! I agree with a ton of shit written on here. Lets try some 3-4 stuff. We obviously cant execute using this 4-3 scheme. We have a limited amount of talent on the D-line, Julius Peppers is past the twilight of his career, he got nothin left! Why do our safeties look so bad compared to last season? Gotta be the scheme, Mel Tucker, COME ON MAN!!! We finally had a backup QB play like we all hoped our backup could play. I hope we have a lot of healing over the next two weeks, but most of all I hope Tucker can get creative, if not, he goes the way of Terry Shea. I’d love to have Rex Ryan be our DC, but after beating NE and having the Jets looking pretty respectable, I think his job is looking secure for another season.

  • Big Mike

    Can’t even read anything. Too hungover. I was at FedEx and didn’t know what I was watching. Just going to post this and take my lumps if everything has been said already..

    Shame on Angelo for wasting this defense.. Exceptional group, will cherish their memories, but they are done.

    Peppers, Tillman, shouldn’t be back. Tillman can still play, but nagging injuries at his age aren’t worth his cap hit. Peppers, is either hurt, in which case he deserves much love and respect for being out there, or he is done, in which case he still deserves much love and respect for being a great DE and a great member of the Bears. But he does not deserve $18 million next year.

    McClellin – bust. Ok he just is. Had to be Lovie/Rod pick because there is no way Emery missed that bad.

    This season is all about beating Green Bay. Not likely, but if they don’t then the season is about draft choices and rebuilding the defense. Because it is shit.

    Big Mike out..

  • IBNO

    Major Wright was lost out there. I don’t understand why he
    kept being pulled and replaced by Steltz, only to get back on the field
    to run behind Reed. It’s time for change at SS. Does anyone think
    benching Wright wouldn’t improve the D?

    Same with Conte. Inexcusable for a former CB to blow
    one-on-one coverage so badly. And the TD that even the blogfather is
    hanging on Peanut? Conte was supposed to be over the top (not falling on
    his face). That TD is not on Peanut, it’s on Can’t he.

    The D is bad, but let’s not forget that it was also missing
    5 opening-day starters, including the captain who calls the plays and
    the Pro Bowler turnover machine. Hell, at one point the BACKUP WILL was
    out. By the way, how is Costanza (intentional typo) ahead of Greene on
    the depth chart at WILL? The penalty on Greene was horseshit.

    Refs were awful. ‘Nuff said.

    D needs revamping, but I don’t think it’s a basket case. Look at the injuries before we burn it down. In other words, the D is bad, yes. But is it scheme, or personnel, or just the injury bug? I think it’s a bit of all of the above, but it’s a mistake to overlook #3 when discussing the defense. Wooton has been a very pleasant surprise the past couple games.

    My worry is not Cutler’s injury, but that McCown looked so
    good running the O. Remember how well Jordan Palmer ran it in the
    preseason? With Cutler’s talent, the offense should be putting up 35+ a
    game. Why hasn’t it? Maybe it is time to bring in a new guy, because if
    Rich Gannon McCown can excel, why pay for Cutler? Cutler is a rare talent, yes, and I’m not advocating getting rid of him–what I’m saying is that if many guys can run Trestman’s system very well, then why stick with Cutler? Maybe Cutler isn’t a great fit for the system–which might be why McCown looked so good after Cutler had problems before his injury. I’m not a “get rid of Culter” or a “blame Jay” guy by any stretch of the imagination. I’m just saying that if a lot of QBs can play like McCown did yesterday, cut bait on Cutler and use that cap space to upgrade other positions.

  • DSupreme

    So I was at the game yesterday and had a great time until the final horn went off with us on the losing side of the stick. Great seats, caddy corner between the end zone and 5 yd line in the 15th row. I was reppin’ our squad in my Forte jersey (3 TDs). First off, the defense is pretty awful! Besides the Tillman pick 6 and a couple of great Briggs tackles, I hated watching the Deadskins march down the field drive after drive. We have absolutely no pass rush, McClellin is too small and misses too many tackles. And WTF are Conte & Wright doing?? SMH. Injuries and lack of depth have decimated this defense…. On a brighter note, the offense finally looks like an NFL offense and one of the better ones IMO. I didn’t realize how BIG Jeffrey, MBennett, and Marshall were till I saw them up close. Forte was awesome and McCown looked like an NFL quarterback surprisingly. I was PISSED when Cutty went down and figures it would happen the game I finally get to go too. The last Bears game I was at was the Denny Green meltdown out in Arizona! At least when I go to games, Hester returns Punts for TDs!!! Here’s to hoping Cutty isn’t out longer then a month, but those groin injuries can linger forever.

  • So up until this year the argument was always there was no accountability on the offensive side of the ball like there was for the defensive side of the ball. It has reversed which is great for the offense now but at some point Trestman will step in on the defensive side of the ball especially with the argument from players saying the scheme is the issue and not the play of any certain players. Safeties are bad right now, wouldn’t one way of showing accountability be to move Tillman back to safety and bench Major Wright or Conte. As much as I’m not a fan of Bowman based on previous years, he hasn’t been as bad in coverage as the safeties and this would be a step in showing the defense that all of their jobs are not a given.

    • MB30SD

      i never understand why people think corners and safeties are interchangeable. They’re not ryan. Can it be done, certainly but you’re gambling on the results.

      The much more critical element is that Peanut is injured and he can’t seem to get healthy.

      We simply need to make safety a priority in the off season for once. What we have today is a…. failure… of the bears org over the last 8 years, to know what a decent NFL safety is.

      We have not drafted a good safety in the last 5-8 years. And as we’re learning now, when the main anchor element of your entire scheme is gone, average to poor play by your dbackfield gets brutally exposed and lining up a corner who’d pretending to be a FS 30 yards off the ball don’t work no mo.

      Simple. Painful. Facts.

      And to all the conte/major lovers in the house… I won’t say i fucking told you so and you wouldn’t listen for the last 5 years. Oh, wait…. smmfhvv

      • IBNO

        MB, I think you and me both played safety in college (am I remembering your history right?), and so we have more critical eyes on safety play–plus more invested in the little things that Wright and Conte are not doing right.

        Though I think Peanut could and should be converted to FS. He has the skill set and the size/speed ratio you want. I think he could be healthier as a safety, because he wouldn’t be subject to so many leg problems if he didn’t have to run with big receivers every week–if he didn’t have to cover the opponent’s best big man every week. That said, as a FS he might get hurt MORE when he feels bigger collisions from tackling a guy running the opposite direction from him, rather than the same direction.

        But in any case, it’d be sheer lunacy to try to move Peanut mid-season. That’s something you do next year, AFTER drafting his replacement. IF you can’t find a decent FS in the draft.

        The Conte experiment is over. He can play ST. Wright just needs to go, period. ASAP.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          Now we all know why Lovie had them out our TV screens last year, but when you got a good Pepp, Melton, Izzy and Woot, that’s a luxury.

          Jarius Byrd wants out of Bills badly. Problem? He wants to be the highest paid S.

          A rush D is a much bigger priority for our D. Look at last night. Most can’t name the Colt’s S, but when the pass rush is hitting home, they almost don’t matter.

        • MB30SD

          Correct bleed.

          While I think the nut undeniably has the physical traits and talents to make the move, I think he’s far too fragile. If it would have been done in his prime I believe he would have been just as good at safety. Now… like you said, he’d get crushed.

  • gpldan

    For all the Conte hate, some well deserved, his limitations are physical. He had the wide side of the field against a guy he gave up 80 pounds to, he HAD to cheat the inside to protect against just being muscled out on the slant.

    That corner fade was a perfectly thrown ball – and Jordan Reed has big ups. Conte had no shot.

    Falling down on that hail mary pass was a joke. Tillman handed him off, and then saw Conte was fucked and tried to go up high and hit that ball – probably why he re-hurt his knee.

    But it’s Wright that deserves the wrath. He got pulled off the field for two series, all because he was blowing assignments and taking TERRIBLE angles. I think film will show that it was Wright who was fucking up bad.

    Good news is; this is Wright’s last year. I think the Bears will let him walk.

    • CanadaBear

      Can’t imagine any scenario where Wright comes back. Going through the list of players on their last year of contracts here’s my take. Yes (Y), No (N) and who cares (?). Melton-Y, Peanut-(Y for less $), Jennings (Y if we can afford it), DJ (N), Anderson (Y), Woot (Y), Hayden (?), Cutler (Y), Garza (Y unless we actually draft a center), Slauson (Y), Mannelly (Y), Hester (Y for less $), Costanzo (?), McManis (?), Gould (Y). There are a few other backups but obviously they fall under the (?) banner. Pep is signed for 2 more years but he should be sent packing.

    • SC Dave

      Absolutely correct, GP.

      Conte clearly played poorly (especially disturbing, he is apparently learning angles on running plays from Major), but there is not a single safety in the league that would have stopped that fade to Reed. Not one.

      • MB30SD

        smh dave. cut your losses maings. They are both what they are. a 3d rder and a corner from a shitty pac 10 team converted to a safety. Neither are good man. sorry.

  • CanadaBear

    Didn’t see the game but from the stats and recap it was a defensive nightmare. Since Pep is doing nothing kick him inside and get Woot back at end. OR finally bite the bullet and go 3-4. If Lance and Peanut are out for any length of time we are beyond fucked. Ryan K. no offense to a new poster but are you insane? If Peanut can’t stay healthy at CB he’s going to be killed at S. Like Butch posted earlier, McCown will find it harder down the road. Teams will be game planning for him. There are throws that he can’t make and the opposing D’s will adjust to that. Watching Cutler leave the field, there’s no way he’s playing for a while. I think it was Al that said it’s probably torn not pulled. I have no idea how long that would take to heal but it could be season ending. If we lose the next two games (Fudgies/Kitties) our season is done and it’s time to see what the kids can do. DAMN!

  • gpldan

    Score report that Cutty may have 3rd degree groin tear. That is 8 weeks at the very inside, and may be a season killer. Probably is a season killer.

    Jordan Palmer is already signed.

    • CanadaBear

      I would think that report is just a guess. There’s no way they’ve already done the MRI, gotten the results back and commented to anyone in the org that might spill the beans.

  • gpldan

    Today’s Sports Radio was such a lovely referendum on the quality and intelligence of Chicago Bear fans.

    3 calls for Tebow, 2 calls for just gutting the season and getting Johnny Manziel.

    Good times…

    • CanadaBear

      How do you listen to that stuff GP? It would make me nuts. Actually sports talk radio does make me nuts and I can’t listen to it.

      • gpldan

        It’s an odd fascination with the banality of evil.

        • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

          banality of evil one of my fav phrases from holocaust survivor, if I remember correctly.

          Talk radio however is more like the excitement of stupidity.

          • gpldan

            The orgasm of ignorance.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Don’t forget about fans wanting Lovie and Lach back!

      • gpldan

        Yes, I forgot about the calls for Lach.

        Ahhhh…. Chicago

  • gpldan

    So now that his mental health counselor has a groin pull; it will be interesting to see which way Brandon goes. He can step up and be a leader and put to rest the stories of his flaky personality – or he can fold and get all primadonna and start bashing the coaches to the press. Time will tell.

    • CanadaBear

      That’s an ugly problem I hadn’t considered. YIKES!

    • bearsfantillend

      Time to get Jay to record some subliminal messages for Brandon to listen to while he sleeps.
      “McCown is your QB, no need to fret, you have had worse QBs when you were in Miami. So just shut up and catch the damn ball, no more of drops. and if you get a chance run A. Rodgers over with you car. Also dont for get to take your anti psycho pills. stay calm and remember rainbows, butterflies and black unicorns”

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    What a sucky b-day present, Bears. Not only am I one year closer to death, but now I gotta look forward to the bad news with Cutler, and the specter of losing to the damn Packers…again.

    On top of that, I lose in Shady’s FF league to Posse who only started 1 QB, and nearly lost in Irish’s to a guy who started NO QB! I feel like that song “The Big Empty”

    • CanadaBear

      Happy B-day Butch. It can only get better from here. Unless you think Cutler will be playing against the Fudgies.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        THX Canada.

        I seriously doubt Cutler will be playing the Fudge, maybe not even the 2nd time around. I have a feeling Cutler suffered something akin to what Amendola suffered a few weeks back. However, Amendola actually returned in that game, while Cutler had to be carried off essentially. No bueno…

    • gpldan

      I lost to Gould Forte Ounce and, in the process, lost Little Sammy Bradford for the year.

      FF is a ball breaker. I wish Shady let us pick our teams.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Tell me about it. Last week I would have won if I started Weeden and Thad Lewis over Brees and Luck. Let me repeat that. A guy named Thad Lewis outscored Luck and Brees. #WTF?

  • Viva

    IT IS PACKER WEEK (S).
    I’m going to pretend we won yesterday.

    • TheBigCheesy

      Yes!

      Bears Still Suck!

      • Viva

        Don’t feed the trolls. Don’t feed the trolls.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Defense is now 28th points allowed, 25th vs pass, 24th vs run, 30th in sacks, 28th on 3rd down. – Biggsy tweet

    • gpldan

      Excellent balance of worthlessness there.

    • Viva

      I’m having a hard time believing there are worse teams in each of those catergories.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        I think we played two of those teams who might be worse. The Skins and Giants. Only thing worse than allowing 30+ points is allowing 30+points to a back-up.

  • Sactowns#1

    Ok Johnny- You know I hate to say I told you so.
    Before the season started I predicted Cutty wouldnt play every game this season. Once again he got HIMSELF injured. How do we, in all good consciousness, pay Culter big $ when he cant finish a season!!??
    And yes we all know the D looks terrible. D ends look bad and our LB corps is depleted by injuries. But none of those players got THEMSELVES injured like Cutler did, yet again.

    • Viva

      I will grant you that he should not have attempted to trip up the Chargers DB with his throwing hand three years ago, but do you really think he concussed himself, or tore his own groin?

      • Sactowns#1

        Did you see the play and how long he held onto the ball? He could have easily thrown it away instead of needlessly taking a sack and getting injured.

        • Viva

          Agree to disagree.

          • Sactowns#1

            Well you cant disagree with the fact that the guy just cant stay healthy. How do you make him your franchise QB when he cant play a whole season?

        • Waffle

          Sac, you should watch the play again and you’ll notice the stunt that baffled Kyle Long and that is why the guy came in untouched. Also, i’d like you to count the amount of time that passed before the sack occurred. Got himself hurt by taking a needless sack? My brain hurts.

          • Sactowns#1

            Here’s an idea… instead of pulling the ball down and running off to his right he could have thrown the ball away.

          • Waffle

            you love it when he runs for 1st downs as I do, you love when he throws it away when nothing is there like he’s been doing this year but you choose to focus on this perfectly executed defensive play and not one of the worst defensive performances of our entire lives. c’mon man.

  • Trac

    Our O scored 27, Washington’s O scored 45. Our D and Special Teams scored 14 pts, so that means the Redskins defense gave up 18 fewer points than we did. THAT IS HUGE. Also, our D has allowed the 2nd most points in the league. I promised I’d wait until week 8 before I offered up an honest critique and guess what, it’s week 8.

    SUMMARY
    1. Washington’s offense is better than ours and they are 2-4.
    2. The Redskins defense is NOW better than ours and they are 2-4.
    3. The Bears can not make the playoffs with this defense.
    4. We are screwed.

    • MB30SD

      16-0?

      • Trac

        I had to try bro. Mostly, I wanted to use the power of the positive though. Not what it’s cracked up to be. He he.

        • MB30SD

          I know. It just gave me a chuckle.

          And agree, why not try. Sigh… oh well.

    • TheBigCheesy

      Orakpo scored 7 for Washington, so their offense actually scored 38.

      • Trac

        Wala, presto!

      • TheBigCheesy

        Bears defense fell apart in the second half, that is for sure…. But without their first half heroics (INT and Punt Return), the Bears might have lost control of the game early. They had humongous turnovers against NYG as well, and that game against Cincinnati was over until tillman forced the fumble (and they also picked Dalton off twice). I believe Bears D also scored at least one TD against Minny and had a few more turnovers (while Bears Offense gave up a touchdown). The Bears D is significantly worse than last year, but you shouldn’t forget about their big play ability, It’s huge.

    • Big Mike

      Your logic is flawed. Special Teams and Defensive scores take away opportunities for the offense to score. The Redskins offense is not better.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD
  • DSupreme

    Per Pro Football Talk, Lance Briggs is out 4-6 weeks with a shoulder injury….. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We’re officially done! SMFH… Just waiting for the Cutty bad news to inch the knife further through my heart.

  • MB30SD

    why does this type of stuff always make me think of shady

  • DSupreme
  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Mel Tucker has no chance to be the DC next year. The veterans -after 4-10 years of great defense- have no respect for him. So he can stay in place only if you rebuild the D completely. That would be stupid, but even if you do that…he is not the guy you put in place for that job. I loved Trestman so far, but he kind of put the D on the second place… now we pay it big time. That bunch needs an inspirational leader and that has to be Trestman. We don’t need the offensive version of Lovie Smith…we need a head coach period.

    Mihai (Romania)

    • Trac

      Let’s face it. The Bears D has not been great for quite some time. They’ve been bordering on bending an inch too much for several years now. I thought that this would be the final year to make a push if the O got it together but every bolt that wasn’t supposed to break, gave way. You gotta believe that somewhere, where ever he is, Urlacher feels vindicated.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I disagree. They where a great defense. They still can be if Emery/Trestman are smart about it.
        There is no need to replicate what happened of offense (7 new starters in 2 years). They only need 3-4 (2 difference makers…FA or Draft).
        The common thing is the kind of coach the D needs also. A leader with ideas and balls. A change in scheme and style would also be welcomed…turn the page and shit. ‘Ask different questions’ kind of thing.

        • bearsfantillend

          I don’t consider a defense great if it is predicated upon how many turnovers they “create”. Although they have been unbelievably “skilled” at forcing turnovers, it is the front 4 that usually causes the mistakes that causes the turnovers with pressure. We have witnessed this defense age, while the previous front office focused on their love affair with slow White Safeties, undersized linemen, and you tube sensations that can jump out of a pool. While totally ignoring the linebacker core, until last year, and not understanding that you need COVER corners in a passing league. They have ignored drafting players that are PLAYMAKERS and more importantly LEADERS. We witnessed it a couple years ago when Lach went down with a broken hand and our defense fell apart. Many of us at that time called for the Front Office to start drafting his replacement. We need help at all levels of the defense, even before the injuries, this defensive scheme has allowed marginal QBs to look like HOFers, running backs run at will. No amount of coaching is going to get Peppers to finally start playing, because his MO since getting into the league is that he takes plays/games off relying on his freakish physical abilities to make plays instead of hard work and heart, and now that he is losing his freakish abilities he is becoming ineffective because he lacks the work ethic and heart. No amount of coaching will make Conte or Wright effective in pass coverage, or make an undersized end rusher Mcclellin not get pushed around. So YES the defense needs rebuilt.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Yes…rebuild. Not a new defense. Rebuild with new leadership (coaching more than players) and scheme (as you said… a more aggressive ‘in your face’ style). The backers lack only a Top FS. That’s it. The DLine is up for rebuilding (with Pea and Wooton decent players). Needs 2 difference makers (a FA and 1st round pick… not a Shea McClellin instead of Chandler Jones this time obviously LOL). Get Byrd and Michael Bennett (Martellus’s brother) in free agency and draft the Chandler Jones of the draft. Few Ds wuold be better in the league than this group in the hands of a Top DC.

          • bearsfantillend

            wheres all this money going to come from? Byrd wants top 5 money at safety $8mill

            Bennett will command atleast 6-8mill, Players we also need to think about resigning because they are free agents.

            Defensive Free Agents: Tillman, Jennings, Bowman, Hayden, Melton, Briggs, DJ Williams, James Anderson

            Offensive Free Agents: Cutler, Gould, Slauson,Mannelly;

            As far as defense there are a lot of questions that will need to be answered do we spend money on aging veterans like Tillman and Briggs.With the huge contract Peppers has, can they get him to take a pay cut or do they cut him and take the cap hit? Also is he worth keeping cuz he has not shown shit this year? GOOD Players don’t come cheap. We got a lot of holes to fill and to me this looks like a rebuilding the defense. 3 or 4 players arent going to solve all the problems, I also dont think we can assume the LBs we drafted last year will be starters next year.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            This is very complex stuff, I know. It’s almost impossible to make assumptions about cap space and shit. The real problem -as I see it- is Cutler’s cap next year. Next in line Peppers (18 cap hit, 9 mil dead money). But I think you have to start with the Free Agents… this year Tillman is 8 mil against the cap, Melton is 8,5 mil, Jennings 5 mil, Cutler 10 mil, Briggs 5,5 (he is not a FA), Gould 3 mil, Hester 3 mil and the others have 1 mil type of deals. If you don’t bring back Peppers and Melton you use that 18 mil cap space for Byrd and Bennett. That’s more then enough by some margin. If you resign Tillman, Jennings, Gould and Hester there is no way they will count 20 mil against the cap as they do this year, as they are all 30+ years, but still great players the Bears should resign for good deals.

  • CanadaBear

    Cutler out a minimum of 4 weeks with a torn groin. I’m guessing much longer. Lance is out 4-6 weeks with a small fracture in his shoulder. FUCK! We’re doomed. Might as well trade away some of the guys that are leaving after this year. Oh yeah, I forgot, no trade value. DAMN!

  • MB30SD

    yeah, rest of the year is going to be pretty rough gents. Was fun to see it. Love the O, total rebuild on d in the offseason. Just have fun with it for the rest of the year, don’t let the blood pressure kill you

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Total rebuild ? That would be stupid from my point of view…we still have 7 starters from this year that should be here next year + other 4-5 depth guys. The problem is the coaching and lack of identity.
      A real DC can bring this core of 7 starters + 2 difference makers (safety+D lineman) + 2 Solid starters back at the usual Bear high levels.

      Another problem for me is the lack of leadership from Trestman…until today he views defense like Lovie did offense. I read somewhere that he went trough DCs in the CFL like a knife through butter… 4 in 6 years or some shit like that. This is a big question mark for me… is he capable to pick a winning DC ? Cause the Bears have to have a Top 10 D… you know ‘windy city’, ‘high grass’, ‘DNA’ stuff.

      • bearsfantillend

        I would like to know who you think the 7 starters are that we should keep. Keep in mind that we have a lot of players that are not under contract on the defense after this year, and there is no guarantee that we resign any of those players, and some of those players should not be resigned at all!!!

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I know we have FA. I think some of them should be signed: Tillman, Jennings, Wooton, maybe Melton. So the 7 starters are Tillman, Jennings, Briggs, Anderson, Bostic, Wooton, Pea. So these are 6 without Melton, Peppers or Collins.
          I would sign Byrd from Buffalo (today) with Tillman as his pair safety in the Woodson role…just rooming the midfield. Jennings and Bowman outside corners with Frye nikel are ok for me. The LB corp is set with Andreson, Bostic and Briggs. Pea and Wooton wuold be good for the DLine… good for 4-3 or 3-4 front (Wooton could be a beast as a 3-4 DE also). A Top DC could make with this group a killer defense.
          What you need is a top Safety, put Tillman in the Woodson role (play the run, defend the TE, blitz) and draft a difference maker DE or DT. This group would have only 2 players over 30.

      • MB30SD

        total rebuild doesn’t mean tossing briggs peanut melton etc… it means emery needs to focus this coming off season on rebuilding the D to a competent unit. I personally believe that must include coaching changes… as well as a coaching change on specials… as an aside.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          The only thing the D lacks ( aside from resigning Jennings, Tillman, Wooton and Andreson) is a Top FA Safety and a Top FA DE, plus 2 draft picks on the DLine, maybe CB. I would give my balls for FA signings Byrd and Michael Bennett, plus a 1st round DE and a 2nd round DT or CB. Out Wright, Peppers, Melton.

  • MB30SD

    can someone with a twitter account please tell this asshole to stop. He’s making a mockery of himself and his org. I agree the pub has been good so far and that was probably the plan. Well played, now shut the fuck up before it backfires you megalomaniac buffoon (whoops… too late).

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jim-irsay-celebrates-indianapolis-colts-win-with-stream-of-unconsciousness-twitter-rant-103113

  • Sactowns#1

    Will Cutty still do his radio show this week or while he’s injured?

    • Waffle

      won’t be doing the show for a couple of weeks. Probably having surgery this week and laid up for a couple days.
      Fucking pussy can’t even tough out a torn groin. Why can’t he just tape his two legs together and just take shotgun snaps and hop around and throw passes. Rivers would have.

  • Sactowns#1
    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Anyone who wears camouflage pants outside of hunting or wars typically is a douche.

  • Trac

    Do we start talking about rebuilding steps before or after the Cheese demolish us?

    • Big Mike

      Yes

  • Shady

    I wonder if these injuries are more serious than the Bears are letting on in order to keep us interested.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    there’s good news guys! Silver linings!

    Jay made it out of the top 5 most disliked NFL players list. He’s #6 this year… Thanks Manti!

    http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45mehh/feeling-the-fans-wrath/

  • MB30SD

    and hey barb… keep your chin up all the way over in Croatia maings.

    We could have this guy as our coach: http://guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/schwartz-fist-pump.gif

  • MB30SD

    here’s something for the pain: http://www.mandatory.com/2013/10/18/mackenzie-smits-kicks-out-the-sexy-jams/1

    Oh, and in the last two… niiiice beeeaver!

  • FRANK DELEO

    YA KNOW WHAT GUYS WE JUST CAN NOT GET A BREAK now that the bears offense is looking like a real offense. But the other parts of our game the Bears always showed up for. That is Special Teams and Defense the Special Teams came about Sunday but before that they were shaky. My point is this when are the wheels gonna turn all together Offense Defense Special Teams. I love this team I believe in this team am just starting to eating solid foods again after Sunday. this defense went from one of the best to the worst in less than 15 months. this bull ____ we are defense we are the chicago bears we invented defense now the bears need to act like it

    Frank Deleo
    Bronx NY

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