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An Additional Sentence (or Two) on Each Defensive Performance Against the Ravens

| November 19th, 2013

postBefore we completely turn our attention to the St. Louis Rams, a few additional thoughts on the Bears defense after a re-watch of the ballgame. Here’s one sentence on every guy.

ZACK BOWMAN

Bowman is not the best coverage corner around but Sunday he displayed the secondary’s best closing speed to the ball and surest tackling.

JON BOSTIC

Bostic is a sideline-to-sideline monster who can cover the deep middle but his major flaw as a young player is an inability to shed blocks.

CHRIS CONTE

Baltimore ran the ball on two of their final three plays in regulation and both of those runs were stopped due primarily to the efforts of Conte. He is starting to piece together something of a coherent safety. I’d also add that Conte had PERFECT coverage on Dallas Clark when Clark converted fourth-and-four with three minutes to go in regulation. Clark’s special catch prevented Conte from being celebrated as a hero.

JULIUS PEPPERS

The criticism surrounding Peppers this season has been about diminished skill, not diminished effort. Peppers was hell to deal with Sunday in both the run and pass game.

LANDON COHEN (replacing Paea)

Cohen simply isn’t an NFL-caliber defensive tackle. He was blown off the ball for sixty minutes.

COREY WOOTTON

Bears need to sacrifice what Woot might provide on the outside to continue his development inside. He is a potential difference maker at three-technique. He is an average-at-best defensive end.

DAVID BASS

If nothing else, Bass made the signature defensive play of the 2013 season thus far.

KHASEEM GREENE

Bears have responded to the Lance Briggs injury by spending a majority of games in two-linebacker set, pass-look sets; limiting Greene’s snaps. Greene is a downhill linebacker. A hitter. I’d like to see him used more.

JAMES ANDERSON

I was bullish on Anderson early in the season  but his performance Sunday mirrored his performances over the last six games: workmanlike and unspectacular. There are no moments when you pause the tape and wonder, “What number was THAT?” Also, early in the season Anderson was deployed on tight ends quite often. With the move to more two-backer sets that job has moved elsewhere (usually the safeties and Frey).

TIM JENNINGS

The most underrated defensive play of the game was Jennings’ wonderful coverage on Tandon Doss in overtime. Covering the slant on third-and-medium is historically difficult for these Bears corners. Jennings delivered at one of the game’s most pivotal moments.

MAJOR WRIGHT

Lost. If you get a chance to re-watch the Ray Rice touchdown run, keep an eye on Wright. He literally walks into the line of scrimmage and takes himself out of the play. I didn’t see one truly positive moment from Wright Sunday.

ISAIAH FREY

My rule about a nickel corner: the less you hear his name, the better. Frey’s work is not an issue for the Bears.

CHETA OZOUGWU

The ability is there for Cheta to become a consistent pass rusher but his unabated strip sack of Flacco was more flukish than anything else. When McClellin returns, Cheta won’t see the field much (if he’s even active).

CHRISTIAN TUPUO

I didn’t see anything to report.

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  • Jon Vander Woude

    Conte appears to have turned the corner some the last few weeks. I’d be ok with keeping him as a safety for next year and finding a replacement for Wright.

    Bostic has really impressed me lately. Making plays all over the field. I know this is sacrilege, but kinda reminds me of a young Urlacher (who also struggled getting off blocks). He’ll look a lot better next year when they have some healthy DT to keep blockers off him again.

    • MB30SD

      you have got to be fucking kidding me. jesus christ. smmfh.

      • Jon Vander Woude

        just being realistic. Bears have a lot of free agents this year and not a lot of money to spend. You can’t fix all your problems in one offseason. Fixing the offense took Emery two years, and I expect a full fix for the defense to take just as long.

        Conte is not exactly a long-term solution at safety, but you can do worse than having him out there as a cheap starter on the last year of his rookie deal next year. As he proved last year, you can have a very good defense with him starting in it as long as you don’t ask him to do too much.

        • MB30SD

          Dude, I don’t know how long you’ve been reading this here blog. If for any time at all you know I’m the local conte and wright hater, because… well… they are both turrible.

          Free Safety is our most dire need on the defense Jon… if you ask me. I MIGHT be convinced it’s a badass DE or maybe even a 3-tech, but for my money, if Emery got us byrd or used our first pick for a bone-a-fied franchise FS I might send him a fucking huge fruit basket.

          No other spot on the D is more important as the NFL morphs into a complete passing league.

          • Jon Vander Woude

            defense starts and ends with pass rush in today’s NFL. Bears had one of the top 2 or 3 defenses in the NFL last year starting this safety duo because their DL was studly. Fixing the DL is priority #1 this offseason. Then you have to worry about CB, where Frey is the only one under contract.

            I’m not exactly happy with the safeties, but you can only do so much in one offseason, and it’s not realistic to expect two new starting safeties when you need 2 starting CB and most of a DL too (if Peppers is cut as most expect, Paea is only returning starter, unless you’re comfortable with McClellin, which I’m not).

          • DaBearsBlog

            Conte hatred has been warranted but he actually played well Sunday.

          • CanadaBear

            That bogus pass interference call was beyond bad. They were both clearly out of the end zone.

          • SC Dave

            Since I don’t have replays, I commented on it once only right after the game. The hate has not rained down on Chris for that play here on the blog.

            Frankly, very much to my surprise.

          • CanadaBear

            You’d really have to be a hater to ride him about that call. He’s been so beat down he didn’t even complain about the call at the time. Those refs were whistle happy.

          • Scharfinator

            Really? Whistle happy? We only had like…. 13 penalties?

            WTF Refs.

    • gpldan

      Luke Keuchly is the Heir to Urlacher’s throne. Kid has monster range.

      He’s the only LB I’ve ever seen swing his hips, turn like a corner, pick up Vernon Davis on a seam fly route – and make the pick. Over his shoulder. It was impressive as hell, he can turn and cover like a corner, is perhaps the fastest guy sideline to sideline since Urlacher’s best days, and can shed a block inside.

      He doesn’t look like a beast when you see him out of uniform, he plays like one though.

      Having praised him like that – he mugged Gronk in the endzone at the end of the game and should have been flagged. But all night he showed crazy range.

      • MB30SD

        Davis (#58) was all over the place too. That guy is also an animal. They are set at LB man. That D is fierce.

        • Jon Vander Woude

          yes, that D is fierce even though their secondary is not even remotely good. That gets covered up when you have the best front 7 in football.

          Which is why I say DL is a priority over S this offseason (although I would still like to see one new starter at S).

          • MB30SD

            I’d love to hear a plan to get us 7 bad asses Jon.

            Pep is done… at least for 18M. Who knows about melt. Paea? Chicken dinner? All the other scrubs? we got nothing man

          • Jon Vander Woude

            For starters, you re-sign Wootton and cut Peppers. I am in favor of re-singing Melton at the right price, but we’ll see what happens with that. If you don’t re-sign him, you need a starting 3-technique.

            Should be able to get Collins or Ratliff as solid backups for pretty cheap. Bass and McClellin will work as 3rd and 4th DEs, leaving you needing one more good starter. Either round 1 of the draft or a competent FA.

            At LB, you have Briggs and Bostic, re-sign Anderson.

            That’s not a Carolina-level front 7, but it’s a hell of a lot better than what they have right now.

          • Jon Vander Woude

            for the record, I am also a big fan of drafting a S in round 2 and re-signing both CB if you can make that work without breaking the bank.

          • MB30SD

            Bass and McClellin are 5s out of 10… at best.

            Who knows if melton will come back decent? So that leaves paea, wooton as the only solids. We need at least 3 other guys who are GOOD, not just street bodies.

            Not worried about LB. Briggsy, Anderson, DJW, bostic, and green will do just fine.

          • Jon Vander Woude

            DJ and Anderson both have contracts expire after this year.
            Bass to me is Wootton 2.0. Can develop into a solid 2nd DE, you’re looking great if he’s your 3rd DE in year 3 or 4 of his career. He and McClellin (situational pass rusher) will be just fine as their backup DEs next year.

            Again, limited resources this offseason, so gonna have to mostly build through the draft. Get a guy you think will be a stud on the DL in round 1.

      • gpldan

        Oh and Jon Bostic is this generation’s Barry Minter.

        I’d like to say otherwise, but that’s what he is. Khaseem Greene is this generation’s Dante Jones. Serviceable, nothing more.

        • Jon Vander Woude

          I’m not saying Bostic will end up as good as Urlacher–he won’t. Just that I like what I’ve seen out of him. Good speed, pretty good instincts, solid tackler.

          • gpldan

            I like him and his closing speed on the outside run.

            Like rookie Urlacher (and Urlacher his last 4 years as a Bear), he gets washed out in blocks and often reads the block to the wrong side when he does take it on.

            He’s been a God send, and we should be lucky that Emery hit on Bostic and Greene because we need them both. But I don’t see greatness there. I want to, but I see ok-ness.

          • Jon Vander Woude

            I see an above-average linebacker with outstanding athleticism who should lock down the MLB spot at a solid level for the next 5+ years. That’s a big plus.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            I agree with you GP. Bostic is no Keuchly, that’s for sure. He’s serviceable, and I see him more as a London Fletcher, at best, if he stays in the middle.

            A solid guy, but not the playmaker in the middle we Bears have been spoiled with.

            I too think he would be much better at WILL even though he’s showed leadership skills and playcalling in college.

            That’s why I say if a MLB falls to us like Kiko, I’d be more than ok with us drafting him, moving Bostic and Greene around.

          • Big Mike

            Too many other needs. Even if one of the top LBs falls to the Bears, there should be several other top choices in positions of greater need.

        • SC Dave

          Pretty much agree with all this. If Bostic ends up being as good as Hunter Hillenmeyer (i.e. a multi-year starter) I would be very pleased.

      • SC Dave

        Luke was my man, but we didn’t get him. He sooo should have been the next HoF MLB in Chicago.

        • Big Mike

          I would argue he already is as good as Hunter Hillenmeyer.

          • SC Dave

            Bostic? He may well be – but what I meant is that Hunter was good enough to start for us for a long time, and if Bostic is too then I will be happy to have Jon on the Bears.
            It would be fairly safe for me to assume that most would agree that Kuechly is better than HH was.

    • TomC

      My first impression of the Urlacher comparison was “yer fcking nuts”, but the two interceptions Bostic has had (in preseason against Carolina and last week) were both very Lach-like, and his main problem is getting swallowed up by blockers (and the occasional bad angle).

      But Conte? No man, just no. Jeff slammed Wright for his play on the Rice TD, but look at what Conte does on that play too, it might be even worse. He had a good force on one of the goal-line runs, but once a game isn’t good enough.

    • Big Mike

      you will face the full on wrath of @MB30SD:disqus. He takes any support of Conte and Wright (not saying they deserve it) quite personally. It is his mission for them to be ex Bears as soon as possible.

  • MB30SD

    we need two real safeties next year. enough with the JV garbage that’s been display every one of the last 10 games from those two jokers.

    Get Jairus Byrd the fuck into halas the SECOND we’re allowed to and do not let him leave without a number in navy and burnt orange. We can get a SS next year from… anywhere.

    • MB30SD

      and I’m shaking my fucking head at you people. Didn’t we learn enough from 7 years of Lovie Smith ‘safety strategy’? You guys just want to keep perpetuating that shit?

      I am literally blown away. Please god just watch one game, nay, one half of a Seattle game with your eye on their D backfield, and then come to me and tell me with a straight face that we have real NFL safeties. Come on people… please!!!

      • gpldan

        Watching Eric Berry play against the Horse Faces, that guy is a safety. Chiefs couldn’t get it done up front, but that guy is dangerous out there.

        • MB30SD

          berry, thomas, barron, even vaccaro. real guys.

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            all in 3-4s (with the exception of Barron I think).

          • MB30SD

            yep… time to dump the fucking cover who and move to a better d scheme now that lovie is out.

            I was going to be sad when Chico lost his job this year, but elated when we’d pick him up as our new DC.

            Oh well. Nice job Chico, happy for you that turned it around finally this year.

          • gpldan

            Chico was on the hot seat in Carolina. May still be if he goes one and done.

            Ditka laid a wet sloppy one on him at halftime, heaping the accolades on him at halftime. Ditka with those horn rims looks like he belongs in a Stephen King movie.

      • no one is saying we have a real safety. people seem to be saying we shouldn’t pay 9 million for a safety in our system.

        • ok. now i read through the rest of the comments, i see people saying they’re ok keeping conte. and that’s what’s fueling your anger. i get it now. i do.

          • MB30SD

            thank you ev, thank you.

            Lovie is gone. I do not want to perpetuate his idiocy.

          • that being said, i do kind of agree that 9 million for a safety is a large chunk of change. unless he’s guaranteeing us 8 INTs, 4 FFs, and a really hot wife

          • MB30SD

            I just want a 5+ year franchise stud back there once and for all… and the only place you get one is first rd in the draft (or second if there’s a run on another position like there was this year), or get a big name FA with a proven track record… which has worked well for us in the past (pep, cutty)

          • MB30 was a second round pick. can’t really say if there was a run at another position. i just looked at that year’s draft but i don’t want to count how many of what went where.

            there was, however, a kicker picked 17th overall. god bless you, al davis.

    • Jon Vander Woude

      I would love Byrd, but don’t know how realistic that is. The Bears won’t have a ton of money to spend this offseason, and Byrd will not come cheap. I don’t think they spend the $8-10 million per year necessary to get him. Seems likely to me they draft a safety in round 1 or 2.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      My issue with Byrd is that he wanted to be the top paid safety. Not top 5 free safety, but be paid the most money out of all safeties. That’s over 9M per year for a safety.

      http://nfl.si.com/2013/07/15/jairus-byrd-nfls-highest-paid-safety-buffalo-bills/

      I can understand that mula in a 3-4, but in a Cover-2 where they don’t necessarily have to blitz, play exotic zones, or cover man to man? Not sure that’s worth it.

      I’d rather dole out 9M for a d-linemen and hope Emery has better luck with safeties than Angelo.

    • DaBearsBlog

      I don’t think admitting someone played well and understanding the position needs an upgrade are mutually exclusive. But I would argue Conte is at least starting to play better. Last two weeks he’s been a + for the defense. Wright…I don’t know what the hell is going on with Wright.

      • Scharfinator

        Beat me to it, I echo this post entirely.

        Conte has looked *better*, maybe you can polish a turd.
        Wright must be huffing paint on the sidelines or something.

  • MB30SD
  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Why Greene isn’t used in nickle is a little baffling.

    Greene was a converted safety after all, so he should know how to play the pass.

    Joe Anderson is awesome in coverage, so I understand that.

    But is Bostic really that much better than Greene in nickle?

    Not sure what’s going on there. I had more high hopes for Greene.

    • Jon Vander Woude

      Greene had a knack for making big plays in college that seems perfect for a Chicago defender. But watching him in the preseason, he was much more raw as a linebacker than Bostic (which is weird, seeing as they both converted from safety a few years back). Struggled with technique and reads. I don’t think the coaches trust him enough to play the majority of snaps.

      • Jon Vander Woude

        I still think Greene ended up in a great situation, where he can learn under Briggs for a few years before eventually taking that WILL spot.

        • gpldan

          Greene is a Sam. Like Roach.

          With his background as a safety, and his height, you want him picking up the TE on the majority of snaps.

          • Jon Vander Woude

            he’s been playing WILL for now, and all year has only taken snaps at WILL in practice. All preseason they played him WILL, and everything I read about him after the draft projected him as a WILL.

          • gpldan

            While that may the case, if you read up on Haugh and elsewhere, Bostic was the heir to Briggs will spot. He’s at mike out of need since DJ Williams was a blow out FA payday.

            The Will needs to be able to come up and stuff the sweeps, play big in the A gap and make the sack when called to blitz. All things Briggs did very very well.

          • Jon Vander Woude

            They’ve been working Bostic as MLB guy from day 1, even before Williams got injured in camp. That’s his spot for the foreseeable future.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        That’s what I saw too. Greene forced a bunch of turnovers in college, and I was hoping he’d do the same for the Bears.

        Maybe he’s still learning all the nuisances at LB, but his strength should be in nickle given his background (kinda like Lach who used to be a safety).

    • Jon Vander Woude

      and it’s James Anderson. Joe is a WR/ST guy.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        Yeah. James.

  • gpldan

    Conte looks like a math teacher running down an errant kite on a windy day. He should wear those Ditka horn rims.

    I have no issue with him, with those tatted up arms that have no definition – it’s that his angles against backs breaking through are turrible.

    He’s too small to be doing what he’s doing. I want Fencik, but I got more Steltz.

  • gpldan

    Chandler Jones is a man. 9.5 sacks now. He was the only real threat to Cam Newton.

    I keep imagining him in #95 as a Bear. Makes me sad.

    But hey, chicken dinner is coming back soon! I think. Yay for the Rodgers killa!

    • DaBearsBlog

      I don’t think Chandler Jones would be having that success in Chicago. Belichick doesn’t ask him to do anything but go after QBs. Defensive end in this system is a hard gig.

      • BigHurtNYC

        Agreed. he looks good NEXT to Ninkovich. Don’t think he would look as good on this line.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        The Bears ask the same out Shea. He was a pass rush specialist, and the Pats also lost their two starting DTs, like us.

        • BigHurtNYC

          Jones plays a lot of snaps inside while Ninkovich rushes from the OLB. Shea should be playing that Ninkovich role.

      • gpldan

        I don’t think Chandler Jones would be having that success in Chicago.

        I do.

      • SC Dave

        Speculation either way. What we *know* is that Jones is playing effectively for the Patriots.

  • BigHurtNYC

    Not entirely convinced by Wootton at 3TDT. DEFINITELY thought he made much more impact in DE rotation than he has as a DE starter, but with Peppers likely out and Shea not panning out as expected, not sure what value he has on such a depleted line. Looking fwd to seeing him back in the DE rotation if Ratliff can contribute.

    • BigHurtNYC

      By rotation I meant 2012 when we still had Idonije.

    • Jon Vander Woude

      IMO, it’s less about rotation in 2012 than it is attention. In 2012, defenses worried about Peppers first, Melton 2nd, and everybody else later.

      In 2013, Wootton hasn’t had that luxury.

      • BigHurtNYC

        I agree. Which is why I question his overall value, but still looking fwd to seeing his progress this year. Only DL that has warranted a new contract thus far.

        • Jon Vander Woude

          I doubt it takes a huge contract to re-sign him. Without big sack numbers, something in the neighborhood of $3M per year should do it.

  • Jon Vander Woude

    I for one am curious to see McClellin get back on the field. Was the GB game a blip on the radar or something of a breakthrough for him?

    Not expecting 3 sacks every week, but would love it if he could start providing some semblance of a consistent pass rush.

    • BigHurtNYC

      Me too. hope the injury did not affect whatever confidence he’d built up vs GB.

    • MB30SD

      I just think it’s wishful thinking jon.

      I saw your proposed dline lineup below and I see a B- unit at very best. If we’re going to continue to bring in mediocre to bad safeties AND not have at least an A/A+ dline, we’ll see what we did this year.

      I’m not disagreeing with you that we need to completely rebuild the dline and that it’s 100% needs to be a focus next off season, my assertion is that finally getting a franchise FS after 8 years is THE most critical move. Because if you do have an A+ FS back there, you might not need an A/A+ dline, maybe we can get away with something lesser and actually lean on the BDs for once.

      • Jon Vander Woude

        you talk about Seattle’s safeties, but did you notice what happened with their defense in the playoffs last year when Clemons went down and the pass rush fell apart?

        They couldn’t stop WAS or ATL and had to rely on their offense to win games, even with that studly secondary. Yes, my plan isn’t for an A+ line. That doesn’t get built in one offseason. But getting to an average or better line is a huge upgrade from what they have now, and the potential is there to be better in the future as you add pieces and young guys develop.

        Carolina had both their DE in place the last few years, added a few more rookies this year and that’s when things really took off. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

        • Jon Vander Woude

          look around the league at all the top defenses. They’re all there because of a really good pass rush. Some of them (KC, SEA) also happen to have stud safeties, but others (like SF and CAR) have a mediocre secondary.

          Football is won in the trenches. If you can protect your quarterback and demolish the other one, you’re going to be a good team.

          • MB30SD

            I agree with you Jon, you just can’t have neither. We don’t have even a decent dline or set of safeties right now. they both need major upgrades (no pun)… my argument is that you need to address at least two of the dline spots and the FS spot first and foremost.

            So whether we get a Dlineman and a FS in FA and/or the draft… take the best player available at the two spots and then your next move has to be the other one.

        • SC Dave

          Given the upgrade in one year on the OLine, is it too much to expect something similar on the DLine next season? I far more inclined to that wishful thinking under Emery than in the Glitchy regime.

          • johnnywad

            If Emery can pull that off, if he’s really that good, its going to be a lot of fun to be a Bears fan for a long time to come. On top of the O-line in one season, he also brought in Marshall, Jeffrey, and M Bennett, and signed Forte to a reasonable deal over the course of seasons. That’s a pretty damn good start. Especially if we mix in all the rookies starting and becoming effective on defense. Phil Emery is to Jerry Angelo as Martellus Bennett is to Kellen Davis.

  • Jon Vander Woude

    In no way, shape, or form am I saying I like Conte as a long-term starter. But with so many FA, limited money, and Conte on a rookie contract still, he will most likely be starting next year. This is not necessarily a death knell; he also started on last year’s studly defense and could look better next year with a better pass rush in front of him and a better safety paired next to him.

    Look at it this way: it’s either Conte or McClellin starting next year. I’d rather Conte and they find a replacement for McClellin to move him to 3rd DE/pass-rushing specialist.

    • MB30SD

      smh

    • gpldan

      Wow – a first round pick used for a 3rd down situational pass rusher. Awesome.

      Didn’t Bill Walsh take Charles Haley with a #1? Yes? Wait….. no? No?

      Oh that’s right, he took him in the 4th round, made him an OLB, and allowed him to work up to playing DE in a 4-3 system over a couple years.

      You know, the way it’s SUPPOSED to be done.

      • SC Dave

        There are much bigger draft misses than Shea McClellin

        • gpldan

          In the Emery era?

          Glitchy picks don’t count.

          • SC Dave

            In ALL eras, by EVERY team.

  • MB30SD

    you guys see this…. the jets are: W, L, W, L, W, L, W, L, W, L

    • gpldan

      Did you see Rex Ryan’s commercial for Dr. Scholes?

      • MB30SD

        no. is that a joke?

        • Scharfinator

          Maybe because he likes feet?

    • Viva

      Geno Smith on the road = buyer beware

  • Cormonster

    All this draft talk is getting me fired up. Only 5 months and 21 days away. How will I pass the time?

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Want a Cutler-McDrago comparison? here ya go.

    http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/jay-cutler-vs-josh-mccown-what-do-the-numbers-say/

    But who has the hotter wife?

    • MB30SD

      links pls

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        I linked it. Link not showing up?

        • tobijohn

          I think he was referring to the wives….

  • Viva

    Every game from here on out is a playoff game. We’re in the playoffs to be in the playoffs. Rams, Dead.

  • Ghost of Waffle
    • Viva

      They booed the last QB to bring us to a SB off the field in his first appearance since the SB (preseason game) because Olin fumbled a snap.

      • Trac

        I never would have booed him like that but he did always seem like an accident waiting to happen.

        • MB30SD

          rex is our quarterback

    • MB30SD

      I thought you would have loved those results?

      I’m pretty sure san diego fans are worse.

      • tobijohn

        I thought Eagles fans were the worst. Weren’t they pelting a Santa Claus with ice balls a few years back?

        • MB30SD

          packed around rocks. animals.

      • Ghost of Waffle

        The fact that 33% responded that McCown should be able to take the STARTING QUARTERBACK job from Cutler is fucking lunacy. Even more so after Cutler’s play this season before getting hurt.

        I’m embarassed to be a fan. We deserve to have Cutler leave after the thankless job of playing from 2009-2012 with fucking garbage. It would serve the fans right.

        • SC Dave

          That would sure be the way for Jay to get them on his side, now wouldn’t it?

          • Ghost of Waffle

            Simply surviving and not letting the team go 4-12 every fucking year should have been enough to get “them” on his side. Playing hurt, making plays out of nothing, all for nothing apparently.
            A backup doesn’t fucking pull a Hanie and you’re all ready to suck his cock and bench your starting fucking quarterback who has nearly every Bears record and did so while throwing to horsehit while having horseshit blocking for him and horseshit coordinators.

          • bearsfantillend

            that’s a lot of horseshit, besides a little praise for having a competent backup does not mean we all want to suck his cock, I know i don’t, not sure about SC Dave.

          • Ghost of Waffle

            yeah, i think people are going a little bit beyond praise. You can’t open a paper or watch a broadcast without someone talking about some non existent qb controversy. I give up. I’m just going to sit back and know that ultimately Phil is not Angelo and all will be right with the world.
            D is the focus after this year, Cutler will stay and McCown will be spent from all the cocksucking he received this season. He’ll barely have enough stamina to attend next years training camp he’ll be so depleted.
            Rams dead. 7-4 with Ratliff on the way back and Briggs not too far off.

          • bearsfantillend

            that actually sounds like a pretty good deal for McCown. i don’t think i could pass it up. Play a couple games and get my cock sucked until i can barely move. I guess it boils down to whose doing the sucking… does he have a choice of who he allows to get down on bended knees before him to begin sucking?

          • SC Dave

            Bottom line is that McCown is our QB for now, and perhaps quite some time. So I am going to continue to wish him well and root for him to help my team win games.

            To those that prefer to evoke images of fellatio thereby, perhaps you’d be happier just allowing those visions satisfy whatever needs led you to them?

          • Ghost of Waffle

            I just don’t understand why we can’t have a really talented top 10-12 starting quarterback and a really solid backup who can fulfill the obligations of a solid backup. Instead, as true Bears fans, we have to try our best to fuck it up and have one of the other. We don’t have to have one or the fucking other. We can have both.
            You need both to survive in this league. You also need Defense which is why this is all moot. Cutler stays, McCown stays with a little pay increase as a thank you and we keep a Jordan Palmer or Jordan Rodgers lurking around in the background in case of injury. Then Emery goes and fixes the D.

          • SC Dave

            I absolutely agree with this entire post, Johnny. We have both, and I’m real happy about it.
            As I mentioned earlier, if somehow Emery can do to the DLine what he just did for the OLine it will be awesome. The only downside would be the legion of bandwagon riders that will show up here.

          • bearsfantillend
          • Ghost of Waffle

            I’m pretty sure this guy has no clue how Cliff Stein would structure vet minimum contracts for a bunch of these guys and for the bigger money guys.
            I’ll trust Cliff Stein over some hack Yahoo internet writer. Cliff knows how to stretch a dollar farther than a migrant farmer.

        • Trac

          It is ok to start McCown on my first place fantasy team this weekend? he he

          • Ghost of Waffle

            yes, as long as you never pick Rodgers ever again in any league. Blasphemy.

    • Trac

      That’s well below the 80/20 rule. I knew it, almost 4 in 10 Chicagoan’s are idiots.

      • Trac

        Too strong? Yeah, I guess so.

        • MB30SD

          WWJD

          • Trac

            He’d say “go and sin no more”.

          • MB30SD

            is calling the minority of a populace considered a sin?

    • SC Dave

      Whatever

    • Shady

      You want embarassing? Check out this ‘deal with it’ Bills fan:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/bills-fan-falls-stadium-video_n_4298712.html?

  • SC Dave
  • Shady

    Uhh, fuck?

    “Bears quarterback Jay Cutler hasn’t played since suffering a high ankle sprain during Chicago’s 21-19 loss to Detroit in Week 10. However, it turns out that Cutler might be dealing with more than just a high ankle sprain. During his weekly radio show on ESPN 1000 in Chicago, Cutler said that the sprain isn’t even a concern anymore, he’s more worried about the ligaments in his ankle.”

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24249833/bears-qb-jay-cutler-worried-about-ligament-damage-in-ankle

    • SC Dave

      At least it’s not necessarily “season over” if Jay does not come back.
      Sure, we’d rather have a healthy Cutler in there, but that is not an option right now.

  • gpldan

    In the Rockne era, or just before in the late 1800s – the forward pass rule was that if the pass was incomplete, if it fell on the ground and nobody caught it, if the defender touched it first – they got the ball back.

    Imagine how entertaining the game becomes with this rule reinstated. A slant pass too far ahead of the guy, becomes in effect a fumble and unless the receiver touches it first, they lose the ball.

    That would bring back the run game in a big hurry.

    • Scharfinator

      They should do the pro bowl with these rules… People would actually watch it.

  • Cormonster

    Historical fact. In 1989, after over 20 years of sucking, the Packers finished 10-6 and just missed out on the playoffs since the Vikings won the tie breaker.

    Lindy Infante won coach of the year. A poll was conducted in Green Bay on the best coach ever. Lindy beat Vince Lombardi in a close race.

    Moral of the story: most people are stupid or “ill informed”. There is no point getting all pissed off about what others say when it comes to sports. Sports journalists are on average dumber than your average journalist, which is a hard feat to accomplish.

    • gpldan

      I just liked saying his name

      Lin-DAY-in-FAHN-Tay

      Oh, and Forrest Gregg was a douchebag.

  • Cormonster

    I’m going political. When I was younger, naive and idealistic, I thought it was noble to be on the school board, or be a state or city representative. Then I grew up and realized how corrupt and evil the average politician acts. I’ve despised politicians and both parties for over 15 years ever since. Choosing between republicans or democrats is about the same as deciding which of your nuts to smash with a hammer.

    • EnderWiggin

      Left! (Not the right one, please Gawd, not the right one)

      • bearsfantillend

        no not the LEFT!!! Always go with the right one

        • Doc Nitty

          Not me. Even though they’re both strictly ornamental, the left one has always been the more powerful of the two.

    • Trac

      This may be the beginning of wisdom Cor. I commend you sir.

    • Celestino Shinn

      “Choosing between republicans or democrats is about the same as deciding which of your nuts to smash with a hammer.” I’m borrowing that!!! 🙂

      • SC Dave

        I take it we can quote you, Corm?

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      Here ya go, Corm, courtesy of George Carlin.

      http://youtu.be/07w9K2XR3f0

  • gpldan

    Does Ratliff play against the Rams?

    • Ghost of Waffle

      I think he was brought on as a playoff guy. I can’t see him ready for Rams or Vikings but I could see him playing after that.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m hoping he’s in there against the BiQueens.

  • CanadaBear

    I don’t understand all this talk about we don’t have the money to sign people next year. We’re practically a clean slate for next year. Briggs, Black Unicorn, B-Marsh, Bushrod (lots of B’s) are the only guys I can think of that are getting big money next year. Everyone else is either on rookie contracts or expiring contracts. Emery can make this team almost anything he wants. I’d like to see the following guys come back at fair market value; Cutler, McCown, Slauson, Garza (if we don’t draft a center), Melt, Collins, Woot, Anderson or Williams (take your pick), Peanut, Jennings and Gould. All the other expiring contracts can expire and go somewhere else. That would still leave Kyle, Mills, Bush, Paea, CD, Pep, Bostic, Greene and Conte with time left on their contracts. I’m guessing Pep and Bush are long gone, possibly Paea and maybe Conte. Hate to say it but Earl is such a non-factor I’m guessing he’s gone unless he signs for the min.

    • Trac

      I think you can count Major Wright in the gone category as well Canada, but not for financial reasons.

      • CanadaBear

        No doubt about Major. I’m assuming Podlesh and Mannelly will be back. Earl, who know’s? I would guess either Williams or Anderson are back but not both. Pretty sure Emery would like to see Bostic and/or Greene on the field. Guessing CD is back because he’s Phil’s boy. Doubt if we see Devin in a Bears uni next year. Same with Pep. All the TE’s not named Martellus won’t be back. No idea about Fiametta. Once you get past the starters, it’s anybody’s guess who will be back. I just know that PE can take this team in any direction he wants. It will be very interesting. I’ve got way more faith in PE than JA but I don’t exactly have blind trust in him. He can pick crappy players same as JA (hopefully not as often).

        • Celestino Shinn

          has infinitely more faith in PE than JA. Man!! That dude sucked as a GM!! PE seems to have a plan and direction. JA’s picks seemed to be more dart-board like (and worse – dart throwing by someone who doesn’t know how to throw darts!!) 😉

          • CanadaBear

            Trust me, I’m not sticking up for JA. Other than the conspiracy draft theory being floated by MB, it’s obvious PE can make some shitty picks. I’m thrilled we have PE instead of JA but I’m not going the unconditional love route just yet!

          • Celestino Shinn

            I agree – no unconditional love yet but I do love the appearance of a plan. He will no doubt “wiff” on some draft picks; all GMs do but I do like his (appearance) of a plan. I’d have to do research but JA has to be one of the worst drafting GMs in the history of NFL drafts and no plan, no rhyme or reason. Unlike many, I don’t think Shea McClellin is an overall “bust”; although I think he is a bust as a D-lineman in a 4-3 defense. (I also think the Bears may switch to 3-4 next year, depending on how the rest of this season pans out.).

    • Jon Vander Woude

      even if they cut the overpaid guys (Bush, E Bennett, Peppers, Podlesh, Weems), they will have about $50M to work with and only about 20 players under contract.
      They will need a starting QB, C, OG, 2 DE, DT, SLB, 2 CB, S, K, and P, plus depth guys pretty much everywhere. Not a ton of money to spend.

      • Ghost of Waffle

        Bennett is not overpaid at this point because he took a pay cut. he is at the perfect salary for what he now does. He must be kept.

        • CanadaBear

          He’s not making a lot of dough but he really has had almost no impact this year. It kills me to write this but he’s really been an afterthought this year. Not sure if they just aren’t looking his way or he’s not getting any separation.

          • MB30SD

            seems to me to be the latter canada. With Bmarsh, Ashlon, Black uni, and forte… he is (and probably should be) an afterthought. Nice to have all these weapons finally though.

          • gpldan

            It’s not that.

            It’s that the guy stealing his snaps is Eben Britton.

            Bears prefer to line up in that double LT formation and forgo the slot wideout, to credibly threaten the run and the screen, giving Jeffery and Marshall every advantage possible by forcing the D to go 4-3 with linebackers and hold their nickel back out.

            It works, too.

            It’s a side effect of having the other Bennett. Black Unicorn can hit seam routes along the numbers because he’s so fucking fast.

            Earl is just a victim of the system.

          • CanadaBear

            Good point. I really hate the Eben Britton option but I’m pretty sure Trest understands offense more thoroughly than I do. Just a guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

            Can’t argue with the points, that’s for sure.

          • Jon Vander Woude

            Britton has been a very good extra blocker, and the offense has actually been more effective with him on the field. Read an article about this before the GB game, let me see if I can find it.

          • EnderWiggin
          • Shady

            You don’t notice it as much on TV, but when I was at Lambeau every other play te Bears had on offense the head referee announced, “#62 reporting as eligible” which was then met with a “who cares?” from the surrounding peackers fans every time.

            I’m still waiting for Britton to release into a pattern and catch a TD ala John St. Claire in 2007 when he caught a 2 yd TD pass from Grossman for the 1st TD of the season.

            Ill self award 2pts for the John St. Clair reference and self deduct 2 pts for invoking the name Grossman.

          • Ghost of Waffle

            a victim of the man’s system.
            #speakthetruth

          • Jon Vander Woude

            exactly. Earl isn’t the #3 pass target, he’s #5 (Marshall, Jeffery, Forte, M Bennett).
            They like Marquess Wilson over him on the outside. I would assume they’re going to try and acquire a 2nd TE in the offseason who can catch (Fendi Onobun if he has improved his hands this year? draft a rookie?), as Bennett is probably the only person on the entire team who doesn’t have even a semi-competent backup in place if he goes down.

            Bottom line is that Bennett just isn’t worth what they’re paying him given how much the team is using him right now. He’s being phased out of the offense and will be gone in the offseason to save money. Remember, NO GUARANTEED MONEY left on his deal. So cutting him saves $2.5M off the cap.

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure where you’re getting Earl at 2.5. He took a pay cut down to 1.0. I wouldn’t be shocked to see Podlesh get cut but be careful what you wish for with a rookie punter. Podlesh is a decent directional kicker with too many shanks. I could see Earl, Weems, McMannis, Paea, Garza, Hester, Anderson (WR), Williams, Anderson (LB), Wright and all the other guys at the bottom of the roster looking for work in the off season. Who knows? I wouldn’t cry if they shit canned CD but that isn’t going to happen with him being PE’s pick.

          • Jon Vander Woude

            Earl took a pay cut to $1.5M this year. He’s still due roughly $2.5M each of the next two years. None of that money is guaranteed, so the Bears would save it all by cutting him. He’s not involved enough in the offense to justify that money, and they have Marquess Wilson coming up to basically take his spot. IMO he’s as good as gone.

            http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/earl-bennett/

        • SC Dave

          I hate to tempt fate, but so far we’ve had good luck on the injury front at the receiver position. If BMarsh or Alshon go down, Earl is the guy. Whether that factors in his future in Chicago is unclear.
          Earl is our #2 punt returner (maybe Ford becomes this tho) and an emergency QB per Trestman.
          To me, that versatility seems a bargain for $1.2M or whatever he’s making.
          Maybe it’s all just because Earl is one of my favorite Bears.

          • Ghost of Waffle

            He is a bargain at his current salary. He is a guy that can fill several holes on the field and he’ll be kept around as a result. I love Earl.

          • SC Dave

            From your keyboard to Emery’s ear, Johnny.

        • Jon Vander Woude

          Bennett took a pay cut for this year. He is still due $2.5M both the of the next two years, with none of that guaranteed. They have Marquess Wilson in the wings, who they really like and has taken over outside over Bennett when Marshall or Jeffery have to leave.

          Maybe they can convince Earl to take a pay cut again. But there’s no way in hell they’re paying him $2.5M to get about 30 targets and 200 yards (his current pace) in a season.

        • EnderWiggin

          I feel like Pearl’s future will depend on Wilson’s development.

        • johnnywad

          Dude would be a solid 2 on many teams. He’s kind of getting screwed by the overall quality of the Bears receiving corp. That sounded weird . . .

          • SC Dave

            I really doubt Earl will have trouble getting an NFL job next season barring injury.

          • Scharfinator

            I think that is something most people are ignoring. We also have great DEPTH at WR. He’s also our emergency QB.

      • CanadaBear

        Don’t see them cutting Podlesh unless he tanks it in the last 6 games. Not sure how you got to $75 mil with players under contract for next year. No doubt Pep and Bush are gone. Earl and Weems are barely above the vet min. Looking at Rotoworld I show the following guys are under contract for about $49 mil next year (including signing bonuses pro-rated over the life of the contract); M. Bennet 6, Bostic 1.5, Briggs 7.75, Bushrod 7, Conte .75, Forte 7.5, Frey .5, Greene .6, Alshon 1.15, B-Marsh 9.3, CD 2.25, Mills .6, Podlesh 1.8, Long 2.25.

        • Jon Vander Woude

          I’m looking at numbers from spotrac.com. Would actually be about $65M to spend, but still have a lot of people they need to re-sign.

          • Jon Vander Woude

            as to cutting Podlesh, he’s due $1.4M next year and has been average at best. He has no guaranteed money left in his contract, so it’s hard to see him coming back for that much money in a tight cap when they could get a rookie in the 5th or 6th round, save about $1M, and get comparable or better production.
            Weems is due to make over $1M with no guaranteed money. That’s an awful lot for somebody doing nothing but special teams, and even then not returns. Again, tight cap, can cut him and have Joe Anderson do what he does for half the cost.
            Michael Bush is due about $7M still the next two years. No way they’re paying him that to carry the ball 3-4x per game at 2 yards per carry. Will still save them money to cut him, can have Michael Ford and somebody else cheap (Armando Allen) for a combined less than what Bush is making.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Soft schedule could boost Bears in crowded playoff race – Today’s Trib
    THAT is just plain ignorant.

    It’s the NFL, stupid.

    There is no such thing as a “Soft Schedule”.

    • Ghost of Waffle

      no such thing as a soft schedule. That is the truth Al. The NFL is a crapshoot almost every week…especially if your front 7 from the beginning of the season is pretty much gone except for Peppers, Anderson and Wootton, who is also playing a different position. Not to mention that Tillman is gone.

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        And Briggs, the defensive captain and playcaller. Oh, and DJ Williams, the original starting MLB.

        Pea hasn’t exactly been the paragon of health either, and even fans forget that we also lost Hayden who was slated to be the starting nickle.

        Can’t remember a year this bad with inj.

        If we keep holding teams to about 20 with all that, Tucker will earn my vote to stick around.

        • gpldan

          Paea is in a walking boot this week.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Mommy, make it stop.

        • Jon Vander Woude

          from the first day of camp, this team is minus:
          top 4 DT (entire projected rotation: Melton, paea, Collins, Ellis)
          2 starting LB (Williams, Briggs)
          2 starting CB (Tillman, Heyden-nickel counts as 12th starter in my book)

          That includes their defensive captain (Briggs), their best defensive player (Tillman), and three guys who were in the Pro Bowl last year. Not to mention Melton is the most important guy on the DL due to being the penetrating 3-technique this defense relies on.

    • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

      It’s all relative, Al.

      If I were given a choice between having to play.

      A. Seahawks, Niners, Saints, Panthers OR
      B. Rams, Vikings, Cowboys, Browns.

      The correct answer is ‘B’.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Not arguing that.

        They’re ALL tough. Some are tougher.

        Even TAMPA has won 2 straight.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)
  • MB30SD
    • gpldan

      Oh….

      An F-type Coupe. Oh – that is very nice. You will want the R Edition, with the V8.

      Park it next to your E-Type.

  • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

    Finally killed some time last night and watched Expendables 2.

    It was so awful it was good.

    It pretty much covered every cheesy 80s action flick line and even threw in a Chuck Norris joke.

    One huge disappointment was the Van Damn didn’t do the splits while straddling two helicopters.

    • MB30SD

      • 4ever85 (AKA Butch Deadlift)

        exactly. just substitute those trucks for Apaches while Van Damn is chucking grenades, and Expendables 2 would’ve been perfect.

        Has anyone made more money off of doing the splits than him? ex-gymnast porn stars are envious.

        I heard Van Dam was really a pussy though. I knew a security guard who worked on set with him and he said that Van was actually scared of the ‘inner city’ folk lol

  • gpldan

    Gnomes – we got Gnomes on the street – Gnomes on the unemployment line.

    I give ChicagoNow to the end of the year.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/21/business/media/tribune-co-to-cut-700-newspaper-employees.html?_r=0

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